>In Starship Troopers, the key difference between a citizen and a civilian lies in their rights and responsibilities within the Terran Federation. Citizenship is earned through Federal Service, which typically means military service, and grants the right to vote and hold public office. Civilians, while enjoying legal protections, cannot vote or hold political office

That doesnt sound so bad...? It stands to reason that the portion of the population willing to fight and bleed for the nation should hold higher degree of control over its fate...

You have it exactly backwards, we should elect our generals

But everyone gets a genetically pure gf.

I really like that idea except for the fact that America is participating in unnecessary wars right now. If there was something worth fighting for it'd be different

something something Israel

>>212670675 (OP)
What if 90% of your military is a welfare program for 4-foot tall goblinas whose greatest battle is emailing an Excel spreadsheet?

behold, your ruling elite

>>212670882
why do leftoids think people care that illegals are being deported?

>>212670675 (OP)
It creates a system that just serves the military at the expense for everyone else

The logic behind the proposition is only people who’ve seen the horror of war should have any say on whether or not a country goes to war. The crippling flaw is this would make a civilization’s military the defacto ruling power and result in warmongering to justify the resources allocated to the military

>>212671044
Just like america today hunh

>>212671044
>warmongering to justify the resources allocated to the military
This would never happen in a liberal democracy.

>Citizenship is earned through Federal Service,
>which typically means military service
The issue presented in the movie is when all your “citizens” are mobile infantry then they create wars to keep them useful. Maybe you can also serve by working other jobs for the government. Part of a college/apprenticeship program.

>>212670675 (OP)
The idea that military service is federal service is intrinsically flawed. Military personnel should hold the absolute lowest forms of rights from the day they enlist up until they die. Dudebros with guns exist as a renewable and disposable resource for the rest of the nation to spend on achieving its prosperity, nothing more.
>it stands to reason
It stands against what people who aren't stupid fucking military dudebros would want, which is most of the population both elite and common.

Im sorry anon, but I have to report you to the police. This fascist mindset is dangerous

>>212671584
I thought the police were fascists though?

>>212671601
Only when theyre against me

>part of being a Hellenic citizen to a given city-state meant serving in the military
>foundations of the modern world as we know it, progenitors of all advanced forms of human strata
>artistic marvels surviving until today, worshipped practically from everyone

>army bad! offtopic 4chan thread full of predditors and leftypol
>child trannies post-birth abortions suicide booths gay communism techbro feudalism and socialist corporatocracy

Mmm, strong arguments are made here, I am HECKIN demoralized

>>212670882
Military are literally less than human by law.

>>212670719
Not if they're warmongering faggots who get paid off by defense companies and create an industrial complex that props up the entire economy through weapons sales and war.

>>212670675 (OP)

Reminder that all male US citizens, aged 17-45, are a de facto part of the unorganized militia and that their political rights hinge on signing up for selective service.

>(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
>(b)The classes of the militia are—
>(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
>(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

>>212670675 (OP)
It means limiting votes to people that already had a bias towards certain philosophies. It limits options when decisions need to be made. Also it will encourage endless wars.

>>212670776
>right now

>>212670675 (OP)
You'll create a caste system based on "easy" and "hard" wars.
In fact you are so retarded that you don't realize it literally happened this year.
Trump declared war on Iran on paper, dropped two giant bombs, and declared himself winner, all in like a week.
How do you score that on your model

>>212670776
Bombing durkas from 10000 miles away is barely war

>>212671663
Shalom

>>212670675 (OP)
Creating a voting population loyal to the state through military service creates a brainwashed people who just do what they're told and to not think. Also that military service in their universe is throwing bodies at a problem with next to nothing like in Stalinst Russia. Literally everyone who is a long running service member Rico runs into are horribly maimed in some way.

>>212670675 (OP)
What I don't get is, why are 99% of veterans there horribly crippled? What brutal war did they fight in if bugs have just been discovered?

>>212671732
We already limit option by electing supposed representatives instead of Voting for every law separately.

>>212670675 (OP)
REEEEEEEEEE FASCISM

>>212671839
Like the voting populations of senators that only way of getting a seat is by money put into them by companies?

>>212671906
In the actual book, which isn't like the movie, they have fought other alien races. One are these blue thing humanoids they call Skinnies.

>>212671951
Yes, holding a referendum every week would surely work like a charm

>>212671906
They just find different enemies. So most likely they oppressed some planet that was colonized, they rebelled, and they have a new war going on.

>>212671839

>literally all of the free thinking movements came out of greatest generation in one way or another, either by starting them or their kids starting them.

Forcing people to have sacrifice together produces exponential results in freedom, greatest expansion of business, political movements and range of thought, all came out of ww2 generation.

You're so retarded with your aversion to jingoism that your mind is denying reality.

>>212672017
yes. Why are you limiting options suddenly?

>>212672020
Funny you talk like this when you've never even been less than 10,000 km from an actual war

>>212672020
but i am sure that a rando weed snorting yoga iiiiiiiiinthusiast will make our country better with his ideas and votes.

>>212671663
You can't fucking equate the ancient greek hoplites with modern army dudes (and by extension the human cannon fodder portrayed in Starship Troopers), any more than you can equate a democratic city-state with any modern nation. The military are the drecks of our species and they exist to kill - and die - for our benefit.

>>212672080
You don't need to taste shit to know its shit.

>>212672062
Because it wouldn't work. America has perfected democracy, the rest of the world are retarded cavemen and I don't give a fuck about those mongrels. All subhuman, no exceptions.

society should be ruled by hot, tanned, young warrior class, preferably in the nude
BAP speaks of this

>>212672080

It wasn't from a lack of trying though.

My point is systematic repression the other anon was arguing against actually produces the most varied results because of how people handle experience and stress.

Pic related is the Tool frontman. Keenen

>>212672167
You haven't, yet you're saying it tastes like honey

>must join military to voooote
>brainwashed by said military
>voooote for pro-military policies as a result of said brainwashing
>repeat ad nauseam
Yeah, nice system you've got there.

>>212672020
>Forcing people
>exponential results in freedom
LMAO
Can't make this shit up.

>>212672020
>Forcing people to have sacrifice together produces exponential results in freedom, greatest expansion of business, political movements and range of thought, all came out of ww2 generation.
Wtf are you smoking. The people of the USA sacrificed nothing in that war.

>>212672170
>America has perfected democracy
Sounds like a Bait noe, but in actuality even fucking Ukraine has better democracy then US.

>>212672269
>The people of the USA sacrificed nothing in that war.
True. It was only like 500,000 men who died.

>>212671906
Verhoeeven didn't read past the first two chapters. He just lifted set pieces from the book with none of the context or story.

The war with the bugs has actually been going for years, as well as war with another species. All three species are competing for the same planets to relieve overpopulation pressure and food needs.

>>212672234
No, i said it tastes like shit and you here arguing that its impossible for me to know that it isn't taste like honey cuz i didn't taste it.

>>212672020
You couldn't even handle not getting a haircut for two weeks without screeching about tyranny. Sit down.

>>212672298
If the jews lost less than 6 million, you can be sure the numbers for US casualties are inflated too as part of the narrative of american exceptionalism as israel's greatest ally.

>>212672280

We do not have a democracy at all so not sure why you're arguing. We're a constitutional Republic, our votes are representative themselves considering they influence how the electoral college votes, but that is it.

>>212672269

You're historically illiterate to make a statement without contrast. I also believe the world is green too my friend anon, without evidence.

>>212672170
>America has perfected democracy
But it's not a democracy. It's a representative Republic where individuals vote on behalf of the majority that voted them in.

>>212672335
No you see it's tyranny if my enemies do it, it's based if a guy in a cool uniform makes people do what I want them to do.

>>212670675 (OP)
Disabled criples with PTSD are not the people, who should be deciding the country's politics.

>>212672370
Cut it in half if you want. 250,000 men. Sacrificed for Europe. Again. Get your shit together over there.

>>212670776
>I really like that idea except for the fact that America is participating in unnecessary wars right now.
Because everyone is allowed to vote including illegals so America just gets senile retards in office forever.

>>212672393
Yeah so we come back to the limiting options and creating a special voting population, that >>212671732
implied bad.

>>212672453
Neither are millenials.

More importantly, I'm not a disabled criple and I haven't been in the army. Unless the army guys manage to seize the government from the elected pedophiles, I have no reason to willingly let them decide the politics for my country.
And many military coups have been attempted in history, very few have led to stable governments.

not going to read the thread, but has someone pointed out that 'service' in starship troopers is the same as in korea?
you don't have to join the military, you just have to work for the government
in the book you can just be a janitor to get citizenship, in korea you can go work at a government kiosk to fulfill your duty to serve

>>212672508

Every country limits the process, it comes down to how they define the rules to be involved.

Here is a better question, why does Russia put on a vote at all? Is it for legitimacy? Not following some set of arbitrary rules will not remove Putin from power. Is it to make population believe they have input? Russia has never seemed to care about due process or honesty in voting and their entire history is based upon coups and very large system changes to their government. They're still doing that to this very day. Monarchy, Communism, Military Dictatorship? Not sure how would you define the modern Russian system, I suppose we won't really know what to label it until after Putin dies to find out.

>>212672615
yeah but for people its only cripples with PTSD that kill ton of shit.

Civilizations at their golden age, not just of military might bnut also of science, culture, engineering, population growth; literally every measure of success: Greeks, romans, mongols, germanics, christians, even muslims during their golden age - ALWAYS lead by warriors.
Civilizations at their most degenerate as they're about to fall: ALWAYS lead by merchants, priests, or other "men of letters" rather than men of the sword.

Meanwhile, anons in this thread: "No, warriors shouldn't lead, they're retards. The court eunuchs, such as myself, should lead!"

Of course, if you're someone who's posting on an internet forum in a thread like this, you're almost by definition not someone capable of being a man of the sword, since no men of the sword would be doing stupid shit like this. But at least try to rub your two brain cells together long enough to notice the pattern, fuckshits. Schmucks.

>>212670945
nigger he was IN THE MILITARY.

>>212672615
Yes, it's been pointed out. It hardly contributes to the conversation, since the crux of the argument is specifically about military guys not being just something the state throws at a problem to make numbers go up == fascism, clearly what Verhoeven was trying to say with the film since he is not an army guy and hates army guys. And I agree with him. Fuck army guys.

>>212672672
You mean the same Coups and large system changes like in US?

>>212672702
Nice blabbing faggot.

>>212672702

>another iteration of the Cavemen versus astronauts that debuted on the television show Angel

What a weird butterfly effect.

>>212672703
>Police detains people on sight
>Tried to leave
>Got detained
>BUT WHYYYYYY? IS IT BECASUE HE IS IMMIGRANT?

>>212670675 (OP)
why is he dressed like han solo

>>212672750

It depends on how you define it, we were a servant-merchant caste population that broke free, tried a really bad non-federalized system, then went with what we have today, we're not old enough to honestly be in same comparison.

I suppose you could define the pre- and post- civil war governments since effectively the same shadow cabal playing puppet show since 1865 but the pieces are more or less the same, the ones with hands on lever just changed.

We've replaced the slave class a few times but we're more or less the same. We like to think we've changed but democrats are still fighting for their slaves, and republicans are still letting their leaders get shot, and now that I think about it, history is rhyming so well its probably written by george lucas as a stand in for hilarity of bad things keep happening over and over again.

I was digressing quite badly back there, so to some up, a new starship troopers reboot that hews closely to the book is going to go very badly because the original is weirdly iconic despite its creators tripping over themselves into a apoplectic pretzel trying to run away from intellectual reality.

>>212671207
All discussion in the book was that military service and nothing else is what qualifies for citizenship. Heinlein much later said "Uh, but I guess there are non-military roles too!" to cover his ass.

>>212670776
Sure sounds like a problem when leaders are elected by a populace who have no idea what war and conflict is like....

>>212673015
People liked that Star Ship troopers with Mechs from China so Its the only thing they need.

>>212670882
>George
>WHORE-HEY

>>212673020
absolute bullshit and lies. What the fuck do you gain by being so wrong and stupid

>>212671700
Ebony goddess here I come.

>>212671705
If that's true, then gun laws are unconstitutional and the ATF is a criminal organization.

>>212671813
Invading countries with drunks, pirates and debtors 10000 miles away is barely war.

>>212671207
It says typically military service which is entirely voluntary and is open to the highest swathe of people, its simply the easiest path, not the only

>>212673094
americas populace knows what war is like more than any other 1st world country

>>212671697
YWNBAW

>>212671756
War was never declared retard or even implied, we simply cant allow muslims to have nuclear weapons, they are worse than the soviets

>>212672019
Ah yes its the humans bad and everyone else was just singing kumbaya until the "colonizers" came along

>>212670719
Rome tried that and it didn't work that well most of the time. Turns out being good at stumping for an office isn't the same as possessing military genius.

>>212672703
it literally says right there that he tried to leave during an ICE road, you retarded redditor

>>212671024
in what way?

>>212672248
Your first claim is an outright lie, your second claim is a lie about how military training works or its purpose, and your third is outright wrong assumption because of 1 and 2

>>212672453
Why not, they have shown they are willing to personally sacrifice for the overrall, and they serve to show that if someone wants to take the military path to citizenship then this could happen to them

>>212672917
based bootlicker

>>212674203

Not necessarily, Crassus getting his shit pushed in is kind of a misnomer if you think about it since he effectively bought his position. Lepidus was like a manager more than a military leader and even Augustus knew he was shit at military thing so he went and found one that was good at it. (Agrippa)

Julius Caesar might be a perfect exception to the rule sort of thing but he does exist..

So does Pompey Magnus, I think defining things helps too. Technically the leaders of U.S military above a certain level are confirmed which is a type of election.

>>212671756
It's not a caste system because no one is born a citizen and everyone can become one if they so wish.
And civilians have every single right citizens have except the vote.

>>212672703
The retard was detained after a raid on a farm utilizing illegals as effectively slave labor along with underage labor and he was a security guard so he knew about it almost guaranteed

>>212671906
in the book they fought other aliens, but they were too much of a bitch race to challenge humanity. The bugs are the only real threat to humanity, and the war is basically a war for the apex race. They are the only alien species humans actually respect in that regard.

>>212670675 (OP)
You are missing the part where voting doesnt matter. The votes are kept hidden.

>>212673020
You are lying tho, in that very quote it says typically through military service, since that is the easiest for the average fuck to do

>>212672298
Yeah only 500k to dismantle the old euro empires and establish itself as the global hegemon for the next century while granting the highest level of wealth and highest standard of living the world has ever seen. 500k is a fucking STEAL for how much the USA got out of WW2.

>>212674414
I was more referring to the pre-Marian method of "the consuls are the generals" period, where it took several elections to find a Scipio Africanus to win battles for them. One military service opened up to people other than consuls able to command, Rome became a steamroller.

>>212674684
At tremendous monetary expense. Both the UK and the USSR got their debts to the US waived, and Germany and Japan both got rebuilt on the US dime without having to pay any of it back.

>>212674760

If you're defining it that way, I guess that is true. Even someone like Cincinnatus is still held in high regard because of meritorious behavior.

As a side note I really wish we renamed Cincinnati so it would no longer have his name. That place is such a shit hole for a city that large.

Every time a system elevates people through meritorious behavior, it invariably gets better, the problem is humans tend towards eugenics a lot of times so you can actually end up depleting your ability, also very much like Rome.

>>212672723
You believe men can be women lol

>>212670675 (OP)
>Citizenship is earned through Federal Service, which typically means military service, and grants the right to vote and hold public office. Civilians, while enjoying legal protections, cannot vote or hold political office
imagine if other countries did that. Imagine if Ukraine did that.

>>212674857
lol this is a complete fucking lie.

>>212670882
>25
>disabled vet
>working security
mhm sure

>>212670675 (OP)
It stupidly overvalues soldiers when scientists are the ones who make all the bombs and guns.

>>212672703
>nigger he was IN THE MILITARY.
You have to go back

>>212674360
>then this could happen to them
You mean become a human pillow

>>212675649
scientists were basically running it. nph was elevated early as a man of letters

>>212674857
>monetary expense
Who gives a fuck about money when you have just bought the entire world?

>>212670675 (OP)
>leftists when you ask them what is so bad about full global fascism when literal fucking bugs are the "other" against the entire human race

>"it's just bad because...IT JUST IS, OKAY!!"

They seethe so hard. They HAVE NO ANSWER

>>212675649
The votes dont matter, which is what everyone is missing. Its not who votes that matters, its who counts the votes. The votes didnt matter.

>>212675757
>literal fucking bugs are the "other" against the entire human race
They're like 10000 light years away and can't even leave their planet
>inb4 muh asteroid
Don't be a fucking retard

>>212672703
maybe ice should raid THE MILITARY!!!

>>212672014
>Skinnies
This is one real why I want a faithful adaptation. The Skinnies were based after being freed from mind control by the bugs

>>212674115
I’m not dying for your kiked wars, bibi.

>>212671292
You want me to die for your bitchass protection but you don't want me to have rights? Perhaps I should extinguish your cognition, I am trained killer after all. Just kidding but next time think before you run your mouth.
-------
Bob
USMC
Never

>>212675824
>can't even leave their planet
They can leave, and the propaganda about them is semi-true. They hurl their spores into space. But they just colonize the worlds nearby and it takes a long time. They can't actually attack some interstellar society like Earth. This is why they are on a bunch of worlds nearby Klendathu and the Federation can drag out the war by spending time wiping out each one.

>>212670675 (OP)
As far as fascistic future dystatopias are concerned the co-ed multiracial spacefaring future of good looking people isn't that bad.

>>212670776
The whole point of service for citizenship is that oligarchs and politicians are less likely to start stupid wars if their kid is serving to gain their own citizenship.

>>212670675 (OP)
>you have to submit to the state's war foreign policy and risk your life/limb in order to "vote"
All that does is create incentive for political brainwashing and ramping up of the military industrial complex. It's fucking stupid on a fundamental level.

>>212676769
And it's funny since Trump dodged the draft and doesn't have to worry about his kids being sacrificed in the wars he desperately wants to start. Doesn't have to worry about his illegal immigrant wife getting deported either

>>212676769
Bullshit. They'll just use connections to put their friends and family in safe positions. This shit happens all the time irl.

>>212672303

>get recommended to adapt a book
>thinks it sucks and doesn't bother finishing it
>just makes his own movie and keeps the title because it sounds cool

based Paul

>book written by a gay libtard who wanted a socialist world government

>>212676893
I like it. He still made a fantastic movie. Just also wish they'd do another one since the book's universe still has value. The anime did a pretty good job, but seeing live action with blood and gore would be neat

>>212676840
Yeah that’s probably how it’d work out in application but in theory it’s supposed to be a social equalizer that treats everyone the same and makes the powers that be actually have skin in the game for their decisions.

>>212670675 (OP)
Soldiers aren't the smartest lot, I'd prefer we limit voting in other ways by restricting demographics.

No women, no one who isn't working and paying taxes, no one under 25 and no first generation immigrants would be a start

>>212674140
That's war "were" never declared.

>don't get to vote against corrupt leaders unless you help an unjust government conquer the world militarily

This is your brain on "kino" or whatever you troglodytes call your stunted social philosophy.

>>212676893

>>212672702
soldiers aren't warriors, soldiers are zogcattle

>>212672703
Cry me a river zogbot

I will unironically join the military and sacrifice my life if it means keeping this country from being torn apart by releasing the Epstein files. Some things are more important and pressing like the existential threat to Israel from Iran.

>>212672702
>Running into artillery fire and drone strikes is le smart
The age of warriors is over, it's all about disposable soliders now.
Been the case since the firearm.

>>212675517
A shit ton of women do everything from medics to building drones to killing ziggers with said drones. I think some units allow women on the front line if they aren't useless (re: more than cocksleeves)

>>212674203
It worked extremely well you stupid faggot. Rome won every war.

>>212679537
Kek wut

>>212674760
>hurr durr rome only became powerful after marius

Kill yourself faggot nigger

>>212679579
Name ONE they lost in the period before 146

>muh zogbot

You guys are pussies hiding behind some faux ideology. I was in the military and it was great fun. Worked out, traveled the world, got to drive around a big armored vehicle, fly in helicopters, and even shot 2 brown people. All while getting paid. lighten up.

>>212675824
Again, you miss the fucking point. It's even better that they're light years away you fucking thud. ~The Whole Human Race Together And In Harmony~ "against" some bugs light years away. If you don't understand the benefits you're truly stupid

>>212679619
Battle of the Teutoburg Forest

Also how did “never lost” turn into “never lost…before an arbitrary date”

>>212679671
Idiot

>>212679589
Carthago delenda est!

That's nothing new, census or tax-based suffrage were the norm in the past. Those who contribute to society get to dictate their terms. If you work, you can vote, end of it.
Using military service to obtain citizenship is dumb, because there will always be daddy's precious boy doing his service in a comfortable office or chad banging stacy in his spaceship because they have good connections, while anon gets to serve in the mobile infantry. Even with compulsory service there are deep inequalities.

>>212679704
I accept your acquiescence and will no longer respond to your juvenile denials. That is all.

>>212670882
>working security
>at a farm
>staffed by illegal aliens
So he was aiding and abetting a criminal operation

>>212670882
Change it by joining the military

>>212680007
You are the fumbest motherfucking retarded dipshit zoomer fucking clown moron in this thread. Looking forward ti your suicide.

>>212680007
Absolutely PATHETIC attempt to extricate yourself from having your SHOCKING ignorance and faggot nigger level stupidity and illiteracy exposed.

>>212670675 (OP)
>That doesnt sound so bad...?
the problem with it is that most people who join the military are complete fucking retards

>>212670675 (OP)
I would prefer a system where people have civil rights just by living in a civilized nation.
But if you think people need to get their arms and legs blown off to prove they make the better choices than those who don't, that is certainly a way of thinking that doesn't sound fucking retarded at all.

>>212680399
>people who aren't invested enough to fight and die for the country should have a say in how it's run

>>212670719
>copy the most retarded part of Rome

>>212680162
>>212680073
You lost

>>212672703
>working security at an illegal child labor farm
what does it matter he was a veteran?

>>212671813
bombing durkas
teaching flips how to murder political activists and then all the terrorists created from said murder
training Indonesians to shoot west guineans, which with indonesian being mostly muslim will probably end with them flying planes into another shitty building 30 years
teaching africans in the central congo and cameroon how to better slaughter villages when they get bored

>>212680399
>But if you think people need to get their arms and legs blown off to prove they make the better choices than those who don't
That's literally the point here that you're not reading. Rich folk who don't have to worry about themselves or their loves ones getting sent to war, get to determine the nation should get involved in meatgrinders

>>212678165
Voting has nothing to do with the smartest people to lead to a good outcome, ideally its people that have or will personally experience the outcomes of theur voting thereby making them vote in less extreme ways

>>212678897
What? Just join the military with a do nothing job for like 3-4 years and then boom you are a citizen with voting rights and a few other bonuses with whatever that entails

>>212672020
the US was 10 times more isolationist in the 1930/1940s you faggot retard

>>212679982
There are inequalities everywhere and always will be if anything human is part of the decision making process, plus it follows more the army way of choosing your MOS than just being randomly assigned so if you want to be a boot on the ground for some combat then its your choice

>IT'S MOCKING YOU!

>>212674140
>we simply cant allow muslims to have nuclear weapons. moishe cant genocide anyone anymore

>>212671700
Ponder the odor.

>>212674115
>you will never be a warrior
god i wish

>>212675579
>Lend/Lease
Never repaid, and moreover the US fronted hundreds of millions to post-War UK as a "gift".
>USSR
Never repaid the immense "loans" of money and materiel funneled into it for the War to keep from collapsing. and spent its entire exstence as a nation not paying it back, later forgiven after it became the Russian Federation.
>Germany
Never paid reparations for the War, never paid to rebuild itself, never paid back what it took to restore them to economic power in less than 5 years.

>>212671700
I like how chuds have never seen the admission requirements for West Point and think any random schlub can get in.

>>212683192
>leftoids think that the basic requirement of 'don't be fat' are some magical thing that stop stupid people from joining

>>212670675 (OP)
But then why not just have compulsory military service for all adult males?

>>212683299
>man who didn't even look at the admission requirements
Thanks for the double down

>>212670675 (OP)
it's bad because jews refuse to serve under goyim per their religion and therefore in this society g_d's chosen will never have full rights you filthy antisemite.

and before some faggot reports me for /pol/ posting, a little trivia for you: The entire reason jews left russia in the late 1800s was because they refused to serve in the czar's military. they refused to be drafted/conscripted and they refused to pay taxes like everyone else, so they packed up their shit and 'fled' to the usa at the turn of the century.

themoreyouknow.jpg

>>212670882
>25 years old
>disabled vet
>working security
>at a farm

another shitskin grifter milking the system getting what he fucking deserves.

>>212670675 (OP)
It was a military form of government where only soldiers could ever be in charge. The book plays it straight, heinlien came from a militaristic family and it was the world he was born into despite holding lots of ideas in his lifetime

>>212679210
opposite amount of basedness, i'm afraid. he even personally selected Taika Waititi to run The Incal's adaptation, saying he's the only one who could do it, kek. (and it hasn't come close to fruition)

>>212671207
the movie is retarded bullshit made by a euro commie that didnt read the book. citizenship was not earned exclusively through military service, and in fact the military was gatekeeping HARD in universe to make sure retards dont join up just to get free citizenship since worthless DEI soldiers put everyone around them at risk. The mobile infantry in the books were basically mecha driving special forces, not lightly armored cannon fodder sent to die on suicide missions for political reasons. The government in the book was a human supremacist government that treated every life as if it had value, and sent their space army out to make sure other aliens left earth alone. The whole reason rico was a spic was to demonstrate that the earth had moved on beyond racial boundaries which was considered super extreme during the time the book was written.

>>212673020
that's an outright lie.

>>212683802
Rico was Filipino in the book.

>>212671697
>industrial complex
The only military general elected president of the United States in the past century is also the one who coined that term.

I'm guessing that's probably the hidden punchline of your post, though.

>>212672703
So were the Federati and look what happened to Rome.

Sorry, just gonna leave the only good SST parody right here.

>>212676769
Oligarchs aren't citizens, that's the whole point.
Oligarchs are almost universally sociopaths, business actively seek them out, this has been known for decades.
But a sociopath isn't going to risk their life fighting for the country or "to gain citizenship" because they value their own life over everyone else, so they'll never enlist.
It's a good system in that regard, it doesn't stop the oligarchs from buying up the votes of citizens in other ways however, but they at least would never become "sky marshals" themselves.

>>212684187
that's a nice left hand

>>212684187
Much less grim than Armor

>>212670719
>we should elect our generals

>>212684346
yeah, he got it from a friend

>>212683605
Also remember if he's a foreign national who served in the military and didn't get his US citizenship by now it means he fucked up, he started shooting heroin and is now ineligible for a green card.

>>212684518
dude looks like Matt Damon if he troon'd out

>>212684518
If they were elected this wouldn't happen numbnuts. God you people are stupid and pathetic.

>>212672017
The Swiss seem to manage it fine

>>212674102
Not really. We have no living memory of invasion on our soil

>>212685630
everyother immigrant is from one of the countries we bomb or undermine their government for nationalizing something that effects some Jews stock portfolio

>>212685698
oh, did pol teach you those amazing facts? brainrotten moron

>>212685394
They have Cuckoo clocks so that everybody knows the correct time to vote, though.

>>212670675 (OP)
See you at the party Richter

I didnt know there was a sex scene in this.

>>212686151
The one with Dizzy and Rico?

>>212684518
Didn't the one on the right have to resign after wearing a dress that was in a woman's luggage he stole from the airport?

>>212686708
The one with Jake Busey and the plastic violin.

>>212686802
Yes, that was his fetish, he did that shit repeatedly apparently.

>90% of these replies
>tv being the most stupid fucking board ever
YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE IN THE INFANTRY TO VOTE. THERES A SECTION OF THE BOOK DURING RECRUITMENT THAT SAYS "EVEN IF YOURE BLIND, DUMB, AND RETARDED, WE WOULD MAKE UP A JOB FOR YOU TO DO, you just need to serve the federation
THE WHOLE POINT
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE CITIZENSHIP=VOTING, IS THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO GIVE UP SOMETHING, WILLING TO LOOK TO THE GREATER GOOD, PEOPLE WHO HAVE SACRFICIED OR BEEN IN THE FIGURATIVE TRENCHES FOR THEIR COUNTRY CAN VOTE. While lazy, selfish, pricks have no say in how their country is ran.

its NOT even dependent on if a war is happening. the federation existed pre-bug and skinnies wars.