why do they keep pushing this meme about colonizing other planets? not going to happen

>>212682824 (OP)
it will, the timescale is just off

>>212682824 (OP)
That’s not what that film was about

>>212682824 (OP)
i wish people actually cared about cool stuff like this.

is there literally anyone trying to GMO frankenstein their way to making a plant that could grow on mars if you supplied it with a little water? how hard can it be, plants or fungi grow fucking everywhere as long as it has some water

make some red cactus thing that produces edible fruit and plop them down everywhere

>>212682824 (OP)
Not in our lifetime. Not in your kids lifetime either.

>>212683061
the us went from not even knowing what space was to landing on the moon so they can beat the reds in a little over a decade.

you just need a catalyst like straight white men gaining power again in the west

>>212682824 (OP)
Not with that attitude, Earthenoid.

>>212683147
We're not gonna have one though. Or I have unbelievable doubts we will. No one these days gives a fuck about space except you and me and maybe a thousand others. It always falls back on "why worry about space or the future up there when there's so much wrong here?"

>>212682824 (OP)
the more I learn about biology the more disheartened I get about space travel
our biology and evolution is so intrinsically tied to the conditions on Earth (the gravity of the planet, the pull of the Moon effecting things) the more it feels like space travel will always be limited to temporary outposts due to the sheer amount of maddening discomfort people would feel being separated from Earth's conditions

>>212682824 (OP)
rich people think they can just trash earth and jump to new planet because "AI will solve it" or something

>>212683201
space x and amazon have been actively working on rockets and have goals to go to mars. where have you need anon? hell if their slow burn goes on long enough they may just do everything themselves eventually with no need of a nation uniting event. hell even "AI" may prove the catalyst to solve the problems of it

>>212682824 (OP)
>they
You mean Elon Musk? It's a grift and a marketing scheme people are falling for.

>>212683228
what are you talking about specifically? the only thing im aware of is that humans needs not zero gravity so spinal fluid will work correctly

mars have more than enough gravity for anything that you would need

>>212683228
And for what? The only reason people would ever be out there is for commercial reasons, who would go through all that to make someone else rich?
>captcha: GOYJ4

>>212683323
what is that pic supposed to be proving exactly?

>>212683228
It might not be so bad if the LHC can help crack the graviton quantum particle.

>>212683384
the people need to accept a new path. hyperborean esoteric fascist monarchism is the way to retvrn to our birth right

>>212683286
Hey that's great. Mind if I take some of your optimism? Cause the two companies in charge of that don't exactly give me renewed hope. If you like them cool. I'm happy for you that you're happy.

>>212683147
>>212682824 (OP)
>NaASA says they lost the technology to go to the moon
It’s a scam and if you believe anyone is going to other planets you’re stupid.

>>212683487
im just saying things are at least being worked on constantly on the back burner as opposed to the space race situation

>>212683511
thanks retard but this isnt a flat earth thread and no one said nasa couldnt go to the moon

>>212682824 (OP)
>not going to happen
not anymore. maybe some other country will, but not america.

>>212683385
There's more to posts, but I'm not going to post them all. Point is Musk is a piece of shit liar.

>>212683487
they arent in charge technically, they just financier it. they dont do any of the important work. thats why the rocketcatch happened. we, actually seen some advancement regarding spacefaring in our lifetimes, as small as that step was. as long as people still try and dream, anything can happen. never give up. and to add to that, musk is a fucking sperg retard, but i like spacex and i admire the people that work for it, building a future.

>>212683615
is that the tranny? so youre argument about liars and trust hinges on people believing a literal tranny over elon? are you fucking retarded anon? this is beside the fact that elons tranny son has literally nothing to do with the topic at hand. are the rockets all just a lie and doctored photos or something? what on earth are you even seriously trying to imply??

>>212682824 (OP)
it's just a fantasy, you dont have to think it's real to enjoy it

>>212683573
Hello, freak bitch(s).

>>212683615
bro. you gotta get of twitter, and get a new doctor.

>not wanting to do navy seals on another planet
get this lame out of here

>Space travel
Why are men so obsessed with this?

I want more biodome movies.

>>212682824 (OP)

Too bad. I really wish i could have seen it.

>>212682824 (OP)
you are incapable. you are the same people who protest nuclear. You should be no where near nuclear.

>>212682824 (OP)
they're preparing us for when Israel annexes across continents.

>>212683839
Because we want a world where women have no rights.

>>212683061
>Not in our lifetime. Not in your kids lifetime either.
not saying I like it but its the reality we live in man.

they can't even build a functional moon base as a test area or proof on concept for a future Mars mission. and idiots think we are just going to fly off to Mars and sit there for a mandatory minimum of 2 years before a return mission is even possible. if there was a 15-20 year old moon base right now maybe it would be possible but that's not a thing so that puts Mars off at the least 20 years in our future. but realistically Mars is something that will happen at end of the century if not in the 2100s

>>212683764
GAY PORN ALL DAY JOE ROGAN ALL NIGHT AND GAY PORN

>>212684325
>lunar-pilled dionysian tranny

if some wooden fucking 18th century sailing ship can carry provisions for 70 guys for a few years in the arctic why cant they figure out how to supply a few guys for the same time period on mars?

you just lake that faustian hyperborean solar spirit. keep your cthonic feminized lunar thoughts to yourself

>>212684528
Uhm, hello? Based department?

Elon is going to colonize Mars with these next year

>>212683061
Not even in your grandkids lifetime or even their kids.

>>212683615
>>212683323
If your argument hinges on this deeply mentally unwell person's babbling, it's safe to ignore you

>>212683228
This is the ultimate truth nuke. Space travel will not be star trek and certainly not star wars. If they want colonies, it will essentially be sending unmanned, AI powered drones out perhaps with human dna capsules to spawn colonies and make humans at the destinations. If Humans are involved at all in short-term (nearst centuries) then their bodies will fundamentally change and adapt towards living in low gravity long term making return to living in gravity wells impossible. When growing, bones are longer and less dense, bodies more frail, muscles and skeleton less tuned towards withstanding gravity.

>>212683615
>musk is a piece of shit liar
>his son looks, moves and acts exactly as awkwardly and autistically as his father
The apple sure doesn't fall far from the tree. This reminds me of a real life version of that old two guards brain teaser lmao

>>212684842
>>212684821

dude a one was trip to mars would take less than a standard us navy deployment. calm the fuck down you hysterical pseud retards and see >>212684528


a trip to mars ~right now~ would be nothing more than a couple navy deployments and a slightly extended camping/vanlife/homesteading trip for a year or two and you faggots are acting like its some insurmountable obstacle to MANkind

>>212684996
And be far more dangerous than living anywhere else on Earth, you utter fucking moron.

>>212682824 (OP)
All you gotta do is plant a bunch of trees and *POOF*... You got yourself a breathable atmosphere.

>>212685093
Not enough gravity to hold one in place, and no magnetosphere to keep rads from killing the plants without coverage.

>>212685158
Then just take some magnets too.

>>212683511
They "lost" it as in "The schematics for part #2307 in engine assembly has rotten away in subcontractor #32 warehouse 50 years ago, we need to make it from scratch and no one has written down requirements for it" not "shit's magic lol".

>>212683032
>making a plant that could grow on mars if you supplied it with a little water?

There's plenty of water (in the form of an ice cap) on Mars, the issue is there is no soil, which isn't just dirt, it needs all kinda microbes and other shit for plants to grow.

>>212685238
Anon, pls....

>>212684996
The problem is that the public and investors would have very little appetite for the inevitable gnarly disasters. As soon as something goes wrong and half of the colonists have to eat the other half to survive it will be the end of the whole program. Which is unfortunate because in an endeavor like this high casualties are just an unavoidable part of the learning curve.

China will do it.

>>212682824 (OP)
Who is pushing the meme?
Do you mean science fiction movies?
On a scale of 1/10 how fucking stupid are you?

>>212683032
Anon you don't really need to plant your crops in dirt.
You'd just need a local water source, and chemicals like nitrates, and you just use aero/hydroponics.
Really though, once you get out of a gravity well there's no good reason to hurry to get yourself stuck in another one.
If you can get large numbers of people off the planet, and keep them in space indefinitely, just do that. You can exploit resources in orbit to build habitats that can harvest resources and manufacture more habitats.
You've got everything you need in orbit.
The only reason to go down to a planet ever again is for scientific reasons.
Though a cool thing about mars is the gravity is just low enough you could build a space elevator with contemporary materials.

>>212685515
This. Send people the the asteroid belt. There's many planets worth of resources floating out there including ice for water, oxygen and fuel

>>212683147
That’s not true at all, and technological development doesn’t follow some simple curve over time. If it did we would expect to be on Uranus by now.
Going to other planets is exponentially more difficult than going to the moon, and we haven’t even really done anything with the moon.

>>212682824 (OP)
You right OP, lets just stay on this rock and pray to heebus jeebus until our sun dies out and all our works get lost to time.

Or we can colonize alpha centauri pussy

>>212684842
>When growing, bones are longer and less dense, bodies more frail, muscles and skeleton less tuned towards withstanding gravity.
Just rotate your hab so you have 1g equivalent inside.

>>212685768
the only difference between going to the moon and mars is a little more supplies. a 7 month journey to mars would be the same as a 7 month stay in the iss

>obsess and fantasize over virtually impossible space colonization
>cant even look after your own planet
Do homosapiens really..?

>>212682824 (OP)
Escaping from a gravity well, ignoring the free resources just floating around in space, and then deciding to go down another well and live in a desolate shithole is stupid.

>>212685727
>Going to other planets is exponentially more difficult than going to the moon
Its not really, its just extremely expensive, and there isn't any real return on investment.
Even if you were able to go to the asteroids, start mining it for iron, gold, rare earth metals, etc. You now are sitting on a claim that dwarfs all of that resource that humans have located or have already dug up from the crust of the earth.
You start to run into a problem where current economic models just kind of shit their pants because the "supply" side of supply and demand curve is virtually infinity.

>>212685961
based my brother
space for the spacenoids

>>212685882
Not at all. After 7 months you could return immediately to the surface. Help would be hours/days away. Not a second 7 month journey either returning or for help to arrive.

There's no reason not to send a couple thousand drones and robots to land first and set up a usable colony for humans to use when first arriving.

>>212682824 (OP)
After some storms on Mars and 200 years they let the mars country club rot on its own.

>>212686104
>Not a second 7 month journey
When you're talking about going to mars you can't always just go straight back to earth since it spends plenty of time on the opposite side of the sun from earth. There are transit windows you need between earth and mars. Its 7 months if you wait for the right time every earth/martian year.
You can't really just colonize mars or the moon in one big go. You have to boot strap the operation because there are a lot of problems that haven't been figured out, and more problems we don't even know we haven't figured out that we'll discover.
You really need a boot strap operation. A way to reclaim water locally, a reliable way to draw power from the environment, and a way to keep yourself air tight, and warm indefinitely.
After that you need to begin exploiting local resources to begin manufacturing more stuff so your colony can continue to expand and grow until it reaches a watershed and will continue under its own inertia.

>>212685888
>don't you care about the browns and global hecking warming

>>212683683
>>212684835
I rather listen and believe the daughter over Musk, yes. Keep believing his marketing scheme.

>>212685888
Its not virtually impossible. Its just expensive to get the ball rolling. Once it gets going in earnest it has the potential to solve basically all of the problems most people have.
You can now lift most agriculture and heavy industry off planet, and getting things back down to earth is as cheap as kicking them down the gravity well at the right time. Now you have a population of people with the opportunity to go off world, or stay behind and become shepherds and stewards of the land helping to restore the natural beauty of the world and build human settlements more integrated into nature like a post modern Walden.

>>212682824 (OP)
I kind of agree. We can't even make a desert in Africa turn green and were expecting to turn entire planets green?

>>212683839
They don't matter to me, and they still can't relate to the basic stuff god gave us here in the first place.

>>212686413
Musk is a complete retard who has been incredibly lucky and opportunistic.
That being said, if starship ever does get up and running reliably it does change the game for getting shit into orbit. It could drop the cost per kg down dramatically.

>>212686538
>We can't even make a desert in Africa turn green
You can't.
No one has given me infinite money to try yet.

>>212682824 (OP)
1) Space is fake and gay as fuck, it's a distraction.
2) They want you occupied with things like this so you ignore what's going on right here on Earth.
3) Earth is the only planet in the entire universe, ever, to have life.
4) God created Earth.
5) All of the above is incredibly hard for people to cope with, so they will cry, shit, and piss themselves in response.

>>212686413
>but I did dilate this morning

>>212686564
>That being said, if starship ever does get up and running reliably it does change the game for getting shit into orbit. It could drop the cost per kg down dramatically.
I mean spacex already did that with f9. The only reason the current rates are as high as they are is there's nobody on the planet who can remotely compete so there's no reason to lower their prices more than they already have. Last I checked they're charging around $70mil per launch to LEO but most educated estimates pin the internal costs at their current launch volumes to somewhere below $15mil. You are right though, if they get starship up and running reliably we could see another order of magnitude reduction in $/kg to LEO.

>>212683615
Hi Xavier, you will NEVER be a real woman.

>>212682824 (OP)
because jews want another planetary option. it will be a jew ethno planet, except for the first slaves to labor.
then earth will be backup genes when they inbreed too much

>>212685768
>heebus jeebus until our sun dies out
humans will have went extinct eons before it even raised the temp on earth

>>212686855
The physical size of the payload it can take is huge too.
The JWST spent forever being designed and built and tested, partly because it was so big it had to be able to fold up and deploy itself.
If it had a launch platform like starship it wouldn't need to be over-engineered to unfold like that. It could just have a simpler mechanism.
Generally speaking the bigger your payload is, the better when it comes to getting good shit off the planet.

>>212686564
>the 40 year old guy who lies about video games
the only people that lie more than musk are indian scammers and the chinese

>>212686952
Fuck you!

>>212686965
I mostly wonder if there are any internal plans in the works right now for a clamshell or shuttle style bay door on the leeward side variant of starship to facilitate releasing larger payloads like what rocketlab showed with their neutron second stage a couple weeks back. I know their current setup is specialized for the new starlink hardware but I wonder what they're working on behind closed doors. I have to imagine they've done a lot of engineering for that sort of thing given that a variant is planned to be used for the HLS portion of Artemis and that's going to require a much different physical config than what we've seen thus far.

>>212687160
yes humans will totally be around in 5 to 8 billion years

they want goyim to die in another senseless endeavour

>>212683147
technological progress is logarithmic. It's slowing down, and it's gonna get slower

Katy Perry wants you to die in a natural rocket error. You kissed you death and they liked it.

>>212683032
thats what the nerds at universities do

>>212683839
white men. bc we need our space. from you. the browns.

>>212690611
>white men. bc we need our space. from you. the browns.

when ever repubs are in power in the US, the left are rabidly anti-space.
When the demorats are in power they dangle the utopian space age stuff in front of libs like a cult prophecy of a progressive future (while funnelling all the funds into stupid wealth redistribution schemes so it will never happen)

Its a fact that the demorat party has been a retrograde force on human progress

>>212686538
>We can't even destroy the natural barrier keeping the subhumans semi-contained
Oy vey.

>>212682824 (OP)
we need another round of manifest destiny for that to happen.

>>212682824 (OP)
Problem is there's no REAL immediate reason to do it. Just having a base on the Moon would be huge.

>>212692124
it'd solve most current human problems if we went into space

>>212692124
>put a base on the moon
>we can't call it moon anymore
>luna enters common parlance
>can't call earth just earth anymore either
>terra it is

>>212686538
Where is the incentive?

>>212683061
>Not happening within a few generations = never happening
Man some people are crazy short-sighted

>>212692165
How would it solve the slow degradation of our countries by elites that seem to be doing everything they can to accelerate it?

>>212692029
>mah sub saharan inferior bugaboo
back to /pol/ you dumb idiot

>>212683323
Out of all retarded things Musk said and out of all straight up lies he said you picked the one where he said his gay son is not a woman, as a proof. Good job.

>>212692933
Weird reaction

>>212693063
For you

>>212684199
Underrated dubs

>>212682824 (OP)
I guaran"fucking"tee we will never see a moon or mars bas in our lifetimes. We as a species aren't allow to colonise other planets. The aliens literally wont let us. Also the satanic khazarian's are hell bent on never allowing anyone under their control from leaving their control so any sort of space exploration would only happen once satan has possesed the anti-christ and a one world government is in place with total control. Then and only then would they take satans war to the heavens. So it would be very stringently controlled (You) or me are not going to mars only the most goy of goys get to do that shit.

>>212685515
this is one of the best takes i've seen on this site from recent memory it makes sense why build a fucking life boat habitat only to land on a dead planet?

>>212685888
Checked, but yea genocide and forced sterilisation are frowned upon, meaning we cannot save our planet

>>212683839
>>212682824 (OP)
I want to explore the stars and see aliens, simple as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdTFeW8FCto&ab_channel=iosonofederico

>>212682824 (OP)
The atheist/agnostic majority needs something to get hope from. If current society is the best we’ll get many people will commit suicide.

it's all social engineering

they want retard cattle willing to move there and become slave laborers mining rocks and crap like that

>>212694835
Imagine the kind of souless autistic retard you'd have to be to leave the beauty of earth with it's oceans, forests and mountains behind to basically live indoors looking at a red desert for the rest of your life, lmao.

>>212694986
I can see it being a massive disaster like some man made disaster befalls the space elevator because they trusted an indian engineer cutting off supplies to the colonists on mars and millions starve to death before they can fix it

>>212694986
I mean its not like a lot of people even appreciate those things anyway.

>>212682824 (OP)
You are right we should conduct full conquest of the oceans and subterranean locales. We should also develop Antarctica. Plenty of space there too.

>>212682824 (OP)
Its so funny - every ""sci-fi"" i.e. space fantasy, is just the age of sail in space because when you get to these planets and it's like discovering new lands was on earth - there's this exotic culture there to trade, fight and fuck. In real life there's not going to be anyone or anything there. It's not comparable 'exploration'. It's 'exploring' nothing. Even Antarctica movies always have to add a fucking alien or monster now because they know that the reality of 'yeah there was nothing there' is so uninteresting. Space 'exploration' is the dumbest meme

>>212683839
Because it would be nice to know if an asteroid hits earth the homosapians won't be completely fucked beyond belief and or wiped out. Also who knows what scientific discoveries they could make whilst drilling into the ocean on mars and deep into the moon. You gotta take a step back and think about the species, money, conspiracies and history aside

Any attempts to colonize other planets must be postponed until humanity's existence becomes actually sustainable, otherwise it's just going to infinitely spread across the cosmos like a cancer.
Of course, for that to happen there would have to be a gigantic evolutionary leap, which seems impossible, given how dysgenic the average human has become.

Every religion needs their own planet with nothing to do with each other.

>>212683032
It's cold and all the water is frozen and the soil is toxic

>>212695756
that's why the aliens wont allow it