A mediocre, forgettable film that will join the legions of competent of forgettable, passionless reboots that came before. A great cast wasted on childish, substanceless pap. It's the Suicide Squad 2021 of Superman films.

ok

>>212688159 (OP)
I don’t think Gunn is cut out for Superman. I wouldn’t trust him with Batman or Wonder Woman either. He really should just stick to le wacky misfit groups.

I really liked it

>>212688159 (OP)
>/tv/ forcing ragebait hatred against this movie because they actually liked it but want to keep the agenda

for a forgettable film people here seem to love talking about it

>>212688345
I just saw it. I felt nothing leaving the theatre. It's such a nothing movie.

>>212688385
They're mindbroke obsessed

>>212688159 (OP)
>>212688240
>>212688393

I thought it was cool as shit in the fight on the baseball field where Superman was cartwheeling with Engineer attached as a weight while trying to hit Ultraman.

>>212688385
People are talking about it because they're watching it and processing their feelings. We lost Justice League 2 for THIS? It sure is something.

>>212688491
>We lost Justice League 2 for THIS
Thank god

>>212688427
That contributed the film's general weightless vibe where nothing mattered and there were no consequences for anything. The engineer surviving was absurd but we gotta coddle the autistic comic nerds.

>>212688385
Because they're part of the marketing team paid to talk about it.

On August 13 this film will be as forgotten as Barbie. Screencap this post.

>>212688159 (OP)
Comic books were made for children.
We haven't gotten a fun comic book movie since Batman and Robin from DC.

>>212688385
There’s nothing else new to talk about and this board has always had an unhealthy fixation on Warner Bros shitshows and Snyder

>>212688549
>weightless
Nah, you're retarded. It's the exact opposite. Engineer sawing through the robots, Superman slamming a pole onto Ultraman and his legs flinging up from the impact. Easily the strongest detail of this movie.

>>212688385
>every action has an equal and opposite reaction
ask WB to stop the $200M shill campaign

It wasn't even mediocre, it was bad. Like i want my money back bad.

>>212688649
>Because they're part of the marketing team paid to talk about it.
yup

>>212688821
It has the same kind of weightless vuolence you see with something like Spider-Man No Way home. Toothless and empty. Spectacle without any kind of emotional weight behind it.

There is not a single "epic" line or scene in this entire movie. There's more passion in "My soul... That is what you have taken from me!" than every scene in this dreary live action children's cartoon.

>>212689024
Thanks for exposing yourself Snydersaar

>>212688159 (OP)
I've been thinking about why jeets (like OP) and other turdworlders, are so desperately hoping this flick will fail, and I'm pretty sure I have ti all figured out: America had it's nihilist, self-loathing phase for the past 15~ years and is finally coming out of it. The new Superman is very forward thinking, hopeful, and not just another dour "deconstruction" of the character or mythos. It mirrors the renewed energy, constructive attitude and patriotism, quickly gaining momentum in the US, a renewal that makes shitters seethe and gnash their teeth. You see it's "better" for them when we're off balance, and nihilist, and worried about what THEY think. (it's why they keep feverishly making threads about how "badly" it's doing overseas. We don't care.) Things are changing, America is kicking ass, out Superman is once again positive icon not wracked with angst and uncertainty, and it SCARES you, because you KNOW it for what it truly means: a shot across your bow.

>>212688159 (OP)
Thanks for the info pal. You're a fag for watching it, but thanks.

>>212689107
i agree with how americans are tired of hating america its one of the reasons the democrats are so unpopular now but this pro immigrant movie talking about modern issues that most people do not give a shit about is not it

The music is so bad. I was stunned. Man of Steel, BvS, and Snyder's version of Justice League all have fucking incredible music by Han Zimmer and Junkie XL. This movie was like they hired some intern to root around in the bottom of John William's sock drawer.

All the cast are great. But the script is both boring and uninteresting thematically. It's a mixture of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman except it has nothing interesting or relevant to say about the topics those films grappled with.

There are no stakes. Unlike Snyder's films where Superman can and does die, or where the world is turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland, nobody actually believes anything bad is gonna happen to the city. (The conveniently evacuated city, BTW.)

Lex is piss-weak. Great actor, lame as shit motivation compared to EisenLex's politically relevant seething anti-theism.

Who is this movie for? That's the burning question. It feels made for the people who read DC comic books and wanted that in a live action movie. But the end result is so fucking lame.

Nobody is going to remember this film in a year. Supergirl is in serious trouble.

>>212689270
it never even touches on the immigrant thing, the only political aspect are the fake russian jews invading the poor brown farmers

>>212688491
I liked ZSJL but did you truly think the future shit was good and not embarassing?

>>212689107
This Superman isn't an icon. They've basically pulled a Richard Lester and tried to decouple him from being a myth. Donner envisioned Superman as both a Christ figure but also a kind of larger than life figure ala Lawrence of Arabia. Lester never vibed with that, so he treated Superman as a goofy kinda guy that upholds goodness and justice. The problem is that this glib kind of "aw shucks, I'll just magically solve all my problems with plot armour" (armor for Americans) isn't super interesting.

I didn't dislike the film, but it lacks any sort of impact. It's so empty and silly. There is nothing here to talk about. Everyone is just talking about the film's context, not its themes because the themes are so shallow and childlike that it really feels like a 90s kid cartoon in live action. And not the good dark and gritty version of that like the Ninja Turtles.

>>212689388
The Knightmare was an amazing concept. Justice League 2 was going to be a parallel narrative set in a time loop where Batman has to accept death, let go of his schemes and plans, and embrace total, perfect faith to save Lois. It would have been kino of unbelievable magnitude.

>>212689480
Wasn’t he going to be forced to raise Superman’s son tho?

>>212688159 (OP)
>A great cast
Every single actor is ugly as shit and can't act for shit. It's absolutely not a great cast.

>>212688159 (OP)
>that will join the legions of competent of forgettable
GOOD MORNING, SIR!

>>212689107
>>212689270
>>212689451
Superman is a good movie and it is also liberal propaganda.

>>212689506
No. Batman is Lancelot. In the Arthurian legend, Lancelot sleeps with King Arthur's wife (Superman is King Arthur) and also his wife's impersonator. The latter gives birth to Galahad, the purest knight. So the idea was that the later Justice League films would mirror the story of King Arthur and the birth of Galahad. WB objected to this, so it was change to Lois being pregnant with Superman's son.

Incidentally, Batman was meant to be sleeping with Wonder Woman. The scene where he wakes up at the end was meant to have her sleeping next to him, but they couldn't schedule it. (It was meant to visually mirror him waking up next to the anonymous woman in BvS.)

>>212689530
That's obviously an editing flub or something. They meant to write "legions of competently forgettable", but a stray "of" was left.

>>212689530
An Indian would use ChatGPT to write with perfect grammar but overwrought not x or y but z gibberish.

>>212689284
Good pasta

I have absolutely no desire to rewatch it. It's "fun" but ultimately a complete waste of time.

>>212688159 (OP)
zio's are not happy about this one

>>212689107
Elon isn't going to hire you for this post, jeet.

>>212690273
It’s empty calories

>>212688491
Synder's ideas sounded awful

>>212689107
Based

>>212688159 (OP)
>>212688159 (OP)
But Suicide Squad 2 was an even better movie than the first Suicide Squad movie, and in fact was a great movie overall.

>>212689451
>Donner envisioned Superman as both a Christ figure
Get the fuck outta here

>>212691643
Are you retarded or something? Donner has on record specifically saying he changed Superman's backstory to be more like Christ.

>>212691642
Nobody cares about Suicide Squad 2021. It's completely forgettable film eclipsed by its predecessor. The quality of the films on paper has never mattered.

>>212690344
When you shoot your shit and she keeps sucking

A bunch of people are trying to argue this movie is gonna "build up the brand" like Batman Begins. Except it's the total opposite of Batman Begins.

>>212691979
Ignore the Gunnpedo.

>>212688159 (OP)
i just saw it this movie fucking ruled it could have maybe been shorter but everything else i liked about it oh and lex's casting was weird it was okay for the movie but it wasnt that great

>>212692340
you shut the fuck up, or else i'm gonna bash Zack Synder again

>>212688159 (OP)
>A mediocre, forgettable film that will join the legions of competent of forgettable, passionless reboots that came before. A great cast wasted on childish, substanceless pap. It's the Suicide Squad 2021 of Superman films.

>>212693135
Can you name a single scene in the movie that felt as good as the World Engine scene from Man of Steel? I thought the scene with the kid and the flag chanting "Superman!" was insipid.

>>212693421
i like how it has a more comic book feel to it than MoS - any scene with krypto wasnt particularly funny but i enjoyed
i think it captured the comic book feel of some of the cheesier runs of superman really well
i think some of the decisions they made are stupid like with lex luthor's girlfriend and even the justice gang not all going to stop the camp and it only being mr terrific BUT again i just liked it idk i would probably watch ill probably go next weekend again and see it with my dad he always liked superman

>>212693520
i meant i would probably watch again and will go next weekend with my dad*

i liked the second suicide squad and peacemaker tho (didnt like creature commandos as much)

>>212693520
I appreciate the honest and thoughtful answer, but it really seems like the kind of silly movie that I can't vibe with. I don't have a problem with comic book stuff (give me gothic Gotham over not-Chicago), but I like films to have a real sense of cool, a sense of pathos, like I'm watching someone made for adults, not for children. (Or if it is for kids, I lean towards Don Bluth.

I kept waiting for the movie to sweep me off my feet with an incredible action sequence or a genuinely emotional moment. It never happened. It unfortunately reminded me way more of this, but better executed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXe1dQRK6o
Than this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYePhqafDok

>>212688159 (OP)
>snyderjeet.jpg
>substanceless pap
> suicide squad ft. polka dot man
just say you don't watch movies

why didnt superman just blast all the cameras surrounding ultraman/Hammer of Boravia from the start?
also,why did he need krypto to do that?
the dude could have just eye beamed them from the start. lol
im legit confused about this.

>>212689024
MoShit didn't have any emotion

>>212689512
But enough about snydershit...

>>212693421
World Engine is just an emotionless cgi bukkake with a trite blue skybeam scene

>>212693714

why didn't lex just have ultraman and the engineer smother superman at any point

why didn't lex just use metamorpho to make kryptonite and disable superman at any point

why didn't lex just use his perfect surveillance of everyone to figure out who superman is

why didn't lex track mr terrific's shuttle to the kent farm

why didn't lex just leave superman in the pocket dimension and destroy all devices that can open a portal to there

why didn't lex just make a bunch of superman clones if he could make one, why not make two or three or fifty? good luck beating them all

etc...

>>212693862
World Engine is pure cinema. It's not as good as the scene where Superman dies in BvS, which is about as good as cinema is capable of being, but it's close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSjI7gwuKtg

>We may never know Zack Snyder’s master plan for advancing the Superman saga since his Man of Steel opus (The Godfather of superhero movies) was disrupted by studio executives at Warner Bros. who insisted on a comic book series that emulated Christopher Nolan’s nihilistic but more profitable Batman franchise. They wanted darkness, not Snyder’s seriousness. But “dark” means trivial in Millennial film culture, and now, with James Gunn’s new Superman, Warner has gotten the inconsequential movie it always desired.

>Snyder took up the Superman comic book myth then enhanced its meaning as American cultural heritage with classical, spiritual roots. This grand vision opposes fanboy frivolity, which is the basis of Gunn’s commercialized version. His Superman (portrayed by David Corenswet) is introduced as a humiliated, known quantity. He has already lost a battle, slammed into the pavement of Metropolis, and is bloody, wounded, and wheezing.

>Gunn’s point is to replace myth and destroy all faith. This Superman movie is the most cynical imaginable. It doesn’t just go against the original Joe Shuster–Jerry Siegel comic book ubermensch that Snyder understood; it reworks a figure for the dystopian millennium and Hollywood resistance.

>>212693793
>Look at this. We could have built a new Krypton in this squalor, but you chose the humans over us. I exist only to protect Krypton. That is the sole purpose for which I was born. And every action I take, no matter how violent or how cruel, is for the greater good of my people. And now... I have no people. My soul, that is what you have taken from me!
How effortlessly Snyder mogs Gunn. Holy shit, how does he do it? How does he make these transcendent films like Watchmen and Man of Steel, and if so, why was Rebel Moon so bad?

>There’s no denying that Guardians of the Galaxy director Gunn knows the market he panders to when he emasculates Corenswet’s average all-American masculinity — the essence of the Superman concept — then extracts any romance from Superman’s relationship with reporter Lois Lane (Rachel Brosnahan is grating throughout their meant-to-be-flirty spats). Lacking Snyder’s erotic pairing of Henry Cavill and Amy Adams, Gunn degrades the humanity of these characters. He victimizes Superman (horribly so in a poorly judged “Pocket Universe” prison sequence featuring nightmarish degradation) and then triggers audience revulsion through evil genius Lex Luthor (Nicholas Hoult), whose key-punch video game tropes remotely attack a man of virtual invulnerability rather than a man of steel. Luthor combats Superman through a combination of science and technology — injecting nanobot GPS trackers into Superman’s bloodstream — using methods that recall the hideous Covid manipulation.

>Gunn’s objective is to banalize the very concept that Snyder sought to elevate. He demeans Superman’s virtue, making him a figure of public distrust vilified in the press, yet gives him goofy boyishness through a mischievous terrier-schnauzer mutt named Krypto. Snyder eliminated the pet, but Gunn uses the dog for dragging Superman’s rumpled body to the icy Fortress of Solitude. The sequence lacks surprise as well as delight. Inane dialogue and jokey asides constitute Gunn’s half-Nolan and half-Marvel hackery.

>The conventionality that Gunn resorts to includes a subplot with the Green Lantern League, a jokey crew of XYZ-men knock-offs. They appear briefly as comic relief until Gunn brings them back to complete a battle Superman cannot win by himself. It’s catnip for inconstant comic book consumers.

>Flashback: Except for that stirring, time-reversal scene in the Superman of 1978, the Christopher Reeve films were clunky quasi-camp. Richard Lester took over the sequels, flaunting his signature light comic touch to prove his superiority to the franchise. But Snyder, being of a later generation, triumphed through expression and dedication that few filmmakers can match — and that Marvel/Nolan addicts simply don’t understand. They tolerated Bryan Singer’s Superman Returns, although it felt both demoralized and uninspired. Snyder overcame all that by bringing visual richness and emotional power. Gunn, instead, infantilizes the tale. His iteration of Superman is just bad business (like Joss Whedon defacing Snyder’s Justice League), even when it veers into social commentary, fashionably evoking the war in Ukraine.

>This Superman demonstrates the perversity called forth everywhere by our media. The pop-art difference between Gunn’s antipathy and Snyder’s mythology is like that between Taylor Swift’s snide “Anti-Hero” and David Bowie’s valiant “Heroes.”

>>212693886
you said a whole lot but didnt even bother to answer my question. typical jew.

>>212693674
youre very kind

it is campy and definitely not Dark Knight but its a fun watch

>>212689858
God damn that sounds beyond kino. Why do WB constantly destroy gold just to move on to shit?

I almost fell out of my chair when Mr Terrific (who is good in the movie, BTW) defeated all the soldiers with his incredibly lame robots, and Lois Lane was like "WHOA!" like we hadn't just seen one of the lamest fight scenes in James Gunn's increasingly lame fight scene catalogue.

>>212688159 (OP)
> great cast

>>212694428
Not only that but she acted like she had an orgasm both during and right after. She never does that when Superman fights anyone in the movie. In fact she has NO reaction to Superman doing anything in the movie at all.

>>212689451
I'm still stunned they made kids watch turtles living sewers, bc they had cool names, fast action and rocking music

>>212694450
I can't fault any of the actors. I think they are good actors who were wholly committed to the material. It's just that the material is, in my personal view, a bit lame.

>>212694805
it's a low energy script. I've honestly never cared less about a catastrophic destruction of a fictional city.

>>212694838
The film is very muddled. It tries to humanize Superman by showing him more directly engaging with the public, in contrast to the more aloof, distant, inscrutable version in Snyder's films. But the problem is that fundamentally, Donner's Superman which it vaguely imitates is driven primarily by his love for Lois. He isn't particularly concerned by what the public thinks of him. He doesn't scream in anguish because random people died. He screams because Lois is dead and she is his entire world. He loves her more anything else. Here, there is a passably cheesy romance with Lois, and I thought the chemistry was fine, but the strange thing is that we don't really get any genuine sense that people are in danger. They SAY that people are in danger, but nobody dies. (Except that guy Lex shoots.) There is a military invasion and I don't remember a single bullet being fired. There is no sense of peril. There is this empty sense of going through the theatrics of heroism.

I believe this film is going to age terribly in some key ways. It tried so hard to not be like Man of Steel and BvS while copying their central beats that it became confused about its own themes and message. Not just in story content but in how Superman's relationship with society and as a hero is presented. It wants to have the themes of war and genocide while treating Superman like he's just an aww shucks guy saving cats from trees. It's jarring. When Mr. Terrific stopped those soldiers, the people would have fallen to their knees in worship. It's like Gunn doesn't understand this, or doesn't want to understand it. I get the sense Gunn doesn't really understand religion in the way the writers on the previous films did.

>>212695065

I disagree that it imitates Donner or any previous Superman effort.
This is entirely a Gunn production with all the play-by-play Gunn bullshit. "funny" ensemble of side characters that serve only as gags or tearjerkers. punching bag main character. lots of colorful special effects and dimensional/space travel.
the whole thing with Lois feels like a total afterthought, same with Clark in general. he's barely Clark at all. even jor-el's message is kinda brought up like a big deal then quickly swept away as irrelevant. in fact almost everything is treated that way. stuff that would normally be major plot points that have the entire script revolve around them are brought up in a scene or two then brushed aside like nothing. it feels like a loose collection of superman ideas that they tried to purposefully make "cool" but it just comes off random and tonally weird.
like a lot of recent movies the script is just very weak and as a result it will have no staying power. what is there to discuss or hold onto? it's all literally disposable nonsense

>>212695170
I think a critical difference is described by Richard Lester:
>"Donner was emphasizing a kind of grandiose myth. There was a kind of David Lean-ish attempt in several sequences, and enormous scale. There was a type of epic quality which isn't in my nature, so my work really didn't embrace that...That's not me. That's his vision of it. I'm more quirky and I play around with slightly more unexpected silliness."
Gunn's Superman superficially resembles Donner Superman, but it's really not the same thing.

>>212689107
>America had it's nihilist, self-loathing phase for the past 15~ years and is finally coming out of it.

Nigga your President was confirmed as a megapaedophile and is trying to tell others to stop thinking about it despite running on a campaign of transparency. Also, your opposing party has a one-in-a-lifetime chance to defeat your president thanks to this, but they're silent because they too are implicated. Better yet, they don't even care to skillfully lie to you any more.

America has never been more sick.

>>212688159 (OP)
Okay.
Anyways, it was great.
Can't wait for the next one.

>>212695065
>>212695170
>>212695289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2EnKkP6UNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2EnKkP6UNM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2EnKkP6UNM
Sneeder lost

>>212693886
He made a deal with the U.S. to interrogate Superman before killing him.
As for surveillance, Superman is probably faster than a camera.
Lex didn't know to track the shuttle. He got there after the shuttle had left, which the film shows.
As for making clones, we don't know if he could make multiple. You can guess he could, but we don't know.
Not to mention, he didn't want fifty. He wanted one to disable Superman and arrest him so the Kryptonite could kill him.

>>212691996
the original movie has an iconic look plus its basically just a will smith joint.

>>212696517
Also, people love 2016's Harley Quinn. The later incarnations with the same actress are all way less popular.