Thread 212708556 - /tv/ [Archived: 704 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/14/2025, 8:48:43 PM No.212708556
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>Watch old movie
>Dialogues are crystal clear, crisp, comprehensible
>Watch new movie
>Need to turn on subtitles all the time
What happened to the art of sound mixing?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 8:49:42 PM No.212708587
>>212708556 (OP)
>clicks auto-mix button
Problem, boomer?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 8:50:22 PM No.212708606
>>212708556 (OP)
Dunno, but there's an YouTube video about exactly that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 8:54:21 PM No.212708723
>>212708556 (OP)
>What happened to the art of sound mixing?

surround sound. TVs and blue ray players sometimes have a clear dialog option in the menus to boost the center channel. You can also downmix movie surround sound sound tracks to stereo with ffmpeg.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:00:03 PM No.212708888
>>212708587
You lose a bit of sound quality (mmm compression) and it only helps so much.

The biggest problem is simply people mumbling lines. Older films used to have far better diction, now it's considered darker and grittier to talk in a way where there's no way the person next to them would even be able to understand them.
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Anonymouแนก
7/14/2025, 9:13:05 PM No.212709266
>>212708556 (OP)

* Scripts are terrible

* Most current big-name directors are entirely visual

* THE FAST AND THE FURIOUS #13, GODZILLA VERSUS THE BIG BLOB and DINOSAURS CHASE PEOPLE AGAIN are not conducive to a rich verbal tapestry

* 75% of the English-speaking audience = zoomers with roughly the same appreciation for language as the average parakeet

* 60% of ticket sales are from China anyway

. . . CONCLUSION:

* Who cares? No-one listens to dialogue
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:14:47 PM No.212709312
>>212708556 (OP)
There used to be different standards for mixing for theaters and for home releases. Sometime during the dvd era, they stopped bothering doing two different sound mixings. And since shortly after that they replaced everyone with Jeets, that's how they were trained.

So now all television is mixed as if it's going to be shown in a theater
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:16:14 PM No.212709356
>>212708556 (OP)
5.1 sound on a one or two speaker TV system is going to sound shit
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:17:17 PM No.212709383
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>>212708556 (OP)
I miss the Mid-Atlantic accent, too
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:17:26 PM No.212709389
Hollywood thinks everybody has 5.1 sound systems.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:18:14 PM No.212709409
>>212709356
The thing is, a vast minority of movie watchers have 5.1 sound. Why keep forcing that on to the majority? Also it's not just the mixing but actors mumbling as another anon said.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:18:21 PM No.212709412
>>212708556 (OP)
Film is a visual medium, who cares about sound
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:19:23 PM No.212709442
>>212708556 (OP)
Blame Greta gerwig and mumblecore films
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:21:35 PM No.212709513
>>212708556 (OP)
I have subs on all movies t. esl pro
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:22:25 PM No.212709545
>>212709312
Sound mixing is done by people with $5000 surround sound setups and no neighbours or sleeping kids. They do a 5.1 sound mix that sounds good to them and then just automate the downmixing to stereo or 2.1 . There are way too many downmixes with really fucking weak centre channels where most of the dialogue is because no one's bothered to go through and make sure it's audible.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:22:40 PM No.212709557
>>212708606
>10minutes of stupid excuses
I. dont. fucking. care.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:25:30 PM No.212709643
>>212709412
Audio-visual
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:28:06 PM No.212709721
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>>212708556 (OP)
ATMOS SOUND! (can't hear the dialogue)
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:49:38 PM No.212710300
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>>212708606
>Biggest claim is that movies are mixed for cinemas and don't sound good at home
>Watch old movie at home
>Sounds good
What gives?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:53:52 PM No.212710416
>>212710300
They used to do two mixes. They also used to test the mixes on a variety of setups. None of that is done now to you get poor sound levelling, and completely black 'dark' scenes because they were all done on super high end gear in controlled conditions.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:55:53 PM No.212710470
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Why is Gen Z tech illiterate?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 9:59:26 PM No.212710558
>>212710470
Only helps the "quiet dialogue, loud explosion" problems. Doesn't help when dialogue is close in volume levels to a load of other ambient sound (it can actually make it worse) or when the dialogue is mumbled.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:00:22 PM No.212710585
>>212708556 (OP)
Same
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:06:00 PM No.212710729
>>212710300
>Biggest claim is that movies are mixed for cinemas and don't sound good at home
That doesn't even make sense. The same issue is prevalent in modern shows that are designed specifically to be streamed at home.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:09:03 PM No.212710830
>>212708556 (OP)
lets not forget that they always mumble
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:12:47 PM No.212710951
>>212708556 (OP)
When learning a foreign language I have to go to old movies just so I can get clearly and moderately spoken dialogue. Any modern film is super fast mumbling. Why? Why is it so important that your actors speak lazily?!
I feel like a retard watching 60s french movies and 90s chinese tv shows
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:14:21 PM No.212711004
>>212708556 (OP)
Modern actors canโ€™t speak properly
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:19:41 PM No.212711156
yeah they speak like pavement apes nowdays
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:21:21 PM No.212711207
>>212708606
I dont like the blame shifting so I disagree with the facts mentioned here.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:21:41 PM No.212711222
old sound was captured on reel to reel magnetic tape and not digital slop machines
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:24:19 PM No.212711299
>>212709383
based and brom garrett-pilled
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:24:49 PM No.212711314
A lot of modern actors re: millenial-zoomers can't complete a thought or finish a sentence half the time.
It's a woman thing mostly but also feminized men do this as well.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:30:58 PM No.212711504
>>212711314
Examples?
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:36:17 PM No.212711670
>>212711314
Direction issue.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:37:10 PM No.212711697
>>212711504
>Examples?
Not off the top of my head at the moment.
But look for it and you will see it everywhere, and not just in films and televsion.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:40:54 PM No.212711808
>>212708556 (OP)
This shit drives me crazy.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:40:58 PM No.212711809
>>212710951
>I feel like a retard watching 60s french movies and 90s chinese tv shows
You feel like a retard watching kino of the highest order? I promise you those countries' output in those timeframes is better than what they're putting out now.
And to contribute to the thread, mixing is the biggest problem but another contributing factor is the microphones. Just like the mess that is modern "realistic" lighting, Hollywood today wants "realistic" sound. That means they don't want the actors projecting their voices towards off-camera microphones, they want them speaking at a normal volume like they would to another person. The only way to pick that up is with hidden microphones, and the only way to hide them is to make them tiny. Notice how the dialogue clarity problem isn't an issue with animated films where the actors are in a booth and exaggerating their deliveries so more personality can come through.
>>212711207
Yeah they're always ready to explain the problem but they refuse to do anything to fix it. They just continue making films and shows that are difficult to enjoy in an average home and tell people that that's how it is. Sometimes it's worse though because they'll say something is calibrated for a theater but then you go to see it in an IMAX and it still looks and sounds terrible.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:43:25 PM No.212711898
>>212711809
cant believe oppenheimer was so lauded when it sounded horrible and got instant BOMMMM sounds ripping up the dialogue every 10 seconds
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:44:48 PM No.212711937
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>>212708556 (OP)
have a gif
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:45:55 PM No.212711968
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Decades ago, actors were trained in voice and diction. Leaning and mastering proper enunciation was once considered an essential skill by actors and studios. Now, it is hardly touched upon if at all. Actors mumble and studios are okay with it. The audience hates it but studios don't care what audiences want.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 10:46:43 PM No.212711996
>>212711968
This
Actors would be trained for STAGE where they had to ENNUNCIATE
Modern hollywood slop actors just mumble everything, worthless hacks
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:15:42 PM No.212712925
People are becoming retarded and unable to recognize human speech.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:20:46 PM No.212713103
>>212708888
>The biggest problem is simply people mumbling lines.
I can't understand a word Jessica says in Dunc. She whispers and mumbles every line.
Nice quads btw
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:22:40 PM No.212713154
>>212711968
holy shit this bitch is fucking hideous. this massively wide face and a crossed eye.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:24:15 PM No.212713200
>>212708556 (OP)
It's because actors and directors used to be good, and had standards. Nowadays the industry is just hacks to the brim.
It's much harder to act well while having crystal clear pronounciation than just mumbling your way through emotions.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:27:55 PM No.212713330
>>212711004
This. It's immediately noticeable when an actor has had decent theatre training though. There are still a few of those around.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:41:37 PM No.212713810
>>212708587
TOP KEK!!!! Do retards need a button for it now?
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:44:17 PM No.212713909
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>>212708556 (OP)
We've had mumblers in the past, though I would say there are also lower quality film actors and more browns these days. Diction is more important than ever since half the population butcher the English language at this point.

I had a theater background, and that groundwork fixed my mumbling to speak the lines clearly to the audience, with volume across the stage. Most of the best actors you recognize in film started in the theater. Film is lazy, you don't move much (stand on the tape here for the shot), you don't express much most of the time, you can whisper enough for the mic to pick up, and you can retake shots over and over until the director gets what he wants. Sound mixing may be part of the issue, but I think the greater problem is casting the wrong actors with poor direction.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:44:55 PM No.212713930
>>212708556 (OP)
I had to do this last night for the first time with the new season of Foundation. It was fucking annoying,
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:46:52 PM No.212713986
>>212708888
>The biggest problem is simply people mumbling lines.
This. It's ridiculous. Unironically one of the pitfalls of better technology.
>>212708556 (OP)
Basically, mics used to be shit. And sound mixing was shit in the analogue age. So you had to position right next to the actor and the actor had to speak loudly and clearly. Naturally, Shakespeare-trained actors (and theatre veterans in general) excelled because it's a similar technique to talking for the stage.
However, it's very unnatural-sounding. People don't speak like that in real life. So when technology got better, actors like Tom Cruise came along who would whisper-shout a lot of lines. This type of speaking used to be way too quiet but now the mics could pick it up and it carried a lot of emotion in a subtler way. To cut a long story short, more and more actors were able to speak closer and closer to natural intonations.
The problem is that this meant they could mumble their lines and the mic would still pick it up.
>why doesn't the director/editor catch it?
Because it's a lot easier to hear something when you know what you're listening for. And you lose perspective quickly. So they don't realise that they only comprehend the actors because they've read the script and seen the same line performed 20 times previously.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:47:28 PM No.212714014
>>212708556 (OP)
You don't need sound mixing when nobody says anything worth listening to. Leaves more money to send to Sandeep in New Delhi for CGI.
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 11:48:50 PM No.212714067
subtitles
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>>212708606
>>212709557
>>212710300
>>212708556 (OP)
>>212708556 (OP)
>>212711207
Women are the biggest consumers of modern media and studios cater to their needs