Why does everyone hate it? I just watched it. It's a well made, action packed blockbuster, that does have its emotional moments too. The biggest problem is, it's just kind of generic and could be about Superman or anything else really.

>>212737061 (OP)
/tv/ is an Indian board now

>krypton already had its chance
Sorry bro not Muh Superman

>the weight of the world on superman's shoulders
We will never get kino like this again

>>212737172
Oh is this still butthurt over killing Zod? I still don't get it. Zod literally, obviously, leaves Clark no choice. Clark cries when he does it. Wow, what a terrible psychopath, child blooded killer. Doesn't matter you just went out for way to save humanity.

>>212737061 (OP)
The main problem is Jonathan. I can even let it slide him saying those kids should have died if he had had an arc where ultimately he comes around and motivates Clark to save people. But no. The guy dies sticking to his values that you should let people die, even if that person is you.

>>212737061 (OP)
Good morning saar

>>212737172
>>212737263
Superman killing Zod was the right choice and "krypton already had its chance" is unironically a cool line. I just wish that during the battle Zod had kept putting people on danger to gain the upper hand by forcing Superman to save them, and that should have escalated into Superman having to kill him. Instead of trying to laser beam one random family he should have tried to make some big platform collapse and put hundreds of people in danger or something like that.

>>212737263
Zod had it coming. It's in character for a guy from Kansas to kill a rabid dog. My problem is the line itself.
>krypton had its chance
It's not something Superman should say. Superman should always be about second chances. That line is throwing an entire planet's population under the bus because Zod is a dick, and you can judge that version of Superman's character in setting off that line.
Therefore not Muh Superman. I was out of the movie after that.

>>212737445
Krypton had its change, and the planet fucking blew up. He isn't going to allow them to turn Earth into Kypton. The poison of Krypton's culture has to end here.

I don't really like how much the movie sucks the US government's dick. The hand of the DoD can be felt pretty strongly, which is why BvS is such a "fuck the US" counterpoint, since it no longer answered to them.

All three Snyder films are masterpieces, though.

>>212737294
>if he had had an arc where ultimately he comes around and motivates Clark to save people. But no.
Have you not seen BvS or something? The point is that he is sorta right, and sorta wrong. He once did a heroic thing and murdered a bunch of horses. The consequences of heroism have haunted him. And only Martha's love lets him sleep at night.

>>212737061 (OP)
For some reason Snyder feels like every super hero movie should be like the Dark Knight

>>212737468
>He isn't going to allow them to turn Earth into Kypton.
He doesn't have to. There's an inherent difference between you can't kill Earth to get Krypton back, and Krypton deserved to die and never deserves a second chance.
The first one is great. The second one is fucked.

>>212737540
It is a good template for superhero films.

>>212737540
>every superhero movie should have weight and be serious
You mean like an actual movie?
Plus Nolan got Snyder the job. Kek

it's boring

>>212737571
Doesn’t work for superman, trying to make his character dark and edgy just turns into cringe fanfiction

>>212737540
Goyer wrote the script from a treatment he wrote with Nolan while they were working on The Dark Knight. Snyder had no hand on the script of MoS. He did come up with the story of BvS and JL though.

>>212737566
>There's an inherent difference between you can't kill Earth to get Krypton back, and Krypton deserved to die and never deserves a second chance.
Native Kryptonians (most of them at least) cannot be anything other than what they were created to be. That's why Zod cannot deviate from his purpose. (Although to be fair, Faora does fall in love with the military guy from MoS and in one of the Justice League sequels they return from the Phantom Zone. Ah well we'll never to get that movie now.)

>>212737445
>>212737468
Krypton had moved away from natural births. Zod was a genetically engineered warrior dead set on reviving Krypton according to the codex, Krypton's socio-genetic coding. Zod was operating on this programming but had no business colonizing Earth and trying to resurrect a civilization that inevitably destroyed itself. He'd just end up making more of others like him, according to his socio-genetic programming. If he didn't stop Zod, it would've meant the end for Earth.

>>212737061 (OP)
>Why does everyone hate it?
I don't think they hate it, just a bunch of burned-out assholes.

>>212737625
Except it's really the only version of Superman that works today. Man of Steel is the only interesting version of Superman. I don't get why people are so insistent on not wanting to admit that times have changed that in a post-9/11 world the context that Superman exists in has completely changed. Unless you make a period piece, you can't sidestep that.

>>212737061 (OP)
Ask zod's snapped neck

We will never get kino action again

>>212737633
>Faora does fall in love with the military guy from MoS
Nani??

>>212737061 (OP)
Snyder does big action incredibly well. Everything feels so incredibly powerful. I dont known if supermans power gas ever been shown better than in man if steel. Its a properly fun and cool superhero movie. Sure its not the most comicbooky and light. But so what.

>>212737632
no wonder only Mos was successful

>>212737061 (OP)
It looks like shit due to Snyder's "visual style".

>>212737061 (OP)
Nobody hates it anymore because Gunn pulled the same crap in his own movie so now all the “muh neck snap!” autists have disappeared.

>>212737540
Dark knight is super grounded. All of snyders movies are overly dramatic tonally and stylistically.

>>212737061 (OP)
It was a mediocre CGI fest. Battles are too long and uninspired and the main character has no charm. I think man of kino could be be improved to a consistent flick if they changed some stuff but on its own is a mediocre movie.

>>212737777
Wasted. Anyways, /tv/ won't watch it because the #SuperShit meme is real.

>>212737750
Yeah. Pretty much. I do think BvS could have had a chance if Snyder hadn't cast Eissenberg as Luthor and the studio hadn't forced him to include Wonder Woman and Doomsday at the end and to kept the movie short for more daily screenings though. There were some interesting bits to it. But even then it still needed a slightly less psychotic Batman and more Superman screen time.

>>212737061 (OP)
The "hate" was largely manufactured the same way the "positive" reception for Gunn's Superman is today. That's the reason Superman is not flopping outright in America like the rest of the world. Because America is where most of these online cultural influence campaigns take place.

>>212737061 (OP)
the final third sucks because snyder can't do bayhem

>>212737061 (OP)
Go watch any YouTube reaction of it and they’ll say it’s great. It’s a fine wine movie in the sea of capeshit.

>>212737061 (OP)
>everyone
Some 2-3 /tv/ meme autists isn't everyone

>Clark my boy, let them kids die. Bein' a hero is hard, but hey, if you gotta do it then make sure you got some pussy, 'cause that's the only thing that'll make life good!
Wow...
Thanks Pa Kent.

>>212737061 (OP)
>You're the answer to "are we alone in the universe"
>What does the "s" stand for? How about Su.. *gets cut off"
>Stop, my invincible Son
>Lois and Superman romance has practically no build up. Lois is just easy
>Krypton looks bad
>Metropolis looks bad
>Wayne's World tier product placement
>"You are not alone" alien message broadcast on tvs
>Zod being such an unreasonable lunatic that killing him makes total sense and doesn't carry any emotional weight
>The big name casting is bad apart from Diane Lane
>Cavill's acting is bad
>The fights are bad
>The score was phoned in
>Superman doesn't even try battlefield removal, just lays waste to metropolis
It goes on and on and on

>The West had its chance

>>212738002
Superman DID try battlefield removal, he pushed Zod into outer space and Zod just punched him back down.

>>212737955

It was good because Nolan quite literally pitched it, produced it and conceived of the tone, story and the film itself from every angle and only had Goyer just fill out the dialogue and blanks. It was good because it was Nolan. BvS was awful because it was Nolan realizing they wanted to rope him into being Kevin Feige and leaving Snyder full reign over the sequel which turned into BvS. MoS itself is a masterpiece of cinema, period, and it was because it was a Nolan movie in all but name.

For fuck's sake, go watch the ending scene. It ends in the EXACT SAME fashion as the TDK movies:
>Hans Zimmer music kicks in and hits its peak when the title card drops
Exact same movie as TDK trilogy but with Superman. I would've liked a WW movie made in Nolan's style.

>>212738002
>Zod being such an unreasonable lunatic that killing him makes total sense and doesn't carry any
I like the movie, but this bothered me too. I don't mind Zod being a cold psychopath who sees no value in human life, but the guy is just a murderous lunatic. He's a pitbull in a super powered human body. Take his death for example. Superman has him grappled. The fight is over unless he makes something smart to get off. But the guy instead uses his last moment to try to kill more people. He's not interesting at all.

>>212737445
imagine being this gay

>>212737061 (OP)
One of the better superhero movies, I hate almost all of them but this one is ok.

>>212737061 (OP)
>Silently broods the entire movie
>hologram of second dad he just met: "actually, saving people is based"
> Rest of the movie is him angrily fighting kryptonians. To a comical degree. His first public appearance as Superman.
>Lois Lane is there because she has to be

>>212738170
The awfulness of his character is the final nail in the coffin every time I watch that movie.
Not only do we have to get through endless monologues from Zor-El and Pa Kent essentially saying the same thing only wanting it to occur at different times, we have to hear more fucking monologues from Zod.

>>212737445
OP here, I think you're overreacting.
Superman in the movie was clearly still searching for himself and what he stood for. The whole movie is about his inner conflict—who should he trust.
It's clear that the story of Krypton presented in the movie was a dystopian one. Brave new world-esque planet that brought its own extinction. Clark's father did everything to NOT let it repeat, viewing it as a mistake. He even said that he himself was a leftover of the old world—Clark was meant as a start from scratch. And he taught Clark exactly that. He's the most trustworthy figure Clark had in the movie.
So I think Superman is not a moral judge here, he's just acting based on what his father taught him. He's still "figuring things out", ultimately he's still like a kid—he's lost and doesn't know who to trust and it's made quite clear with the church scene.
And in case you haven't noticed, Zod made it clear that he's killing everyone until he's dead.

i hate that snyder even needed for clark to have to discover what to do
he highlighted the super over the man
gunn made sure the man was more important than the super
superman knows who he is and what he's doing because he was raised well
raised to do what's right
not raised to fear for how people will react to him

>>212738575
>fear for how people will react to him
Is that not what happened in Gunn’s movie? Superman is always going to consider how people react to him

>>212737061 (OP)
Occam's razor, dude.
It's because it's a bad movie and a bad adaptation

>>212737237
>murder man making faces and a blue skybeam
good riddance. only you miss that

>>212738575
>he highlighted the super over the man
Yea, because Superman is more interesting as a god than a man. Same as King Arthur.

>>212737417
Writing characters into a corned is bad writing.
Anyone could easily write a scene where Superman is forced to stab children with a piece of glasse to save the day
>krypton already had its chance
>proceeds to hit a city with a starship killing thousands and keeping aways space hitler from the black hole
lmao snydershit

>>212737651
>Zod was a genetically engineered warrior dead set on reviving Krypton according to the codex
Descriving what the movies says isn't an argument
Jorel was born to be a scientist and still kungfued soldiers born to be soldiers.
Nothing filmedby snyder ever make sense

>>212737709
>videogamey action with cgi men smashing into cgi objects for 2 hours with no consequences
>>212737723
No it was bad. Every single line and scene a cringe

>>212737061 (OP)
It's like Godzilla 1998 only not nearly as enjoyable.

>>212737777
>Things that never happened
MoShit will be hated forever, with its man of murder.
Superman 2025 is Superman

>>212737845
>The "hate" was largely manufactured
snyderverse never ever and snyder being confined at neflix don't look manifactured
Those movie were just bad, and people just didn't like them

>>212738002
Dude, if you nitpick every movie like that, you can call every single cape movie terrible. It's a cape flick from 2013, c'mon. You're acting like it raped you when you were a child

>>212737889
Nobody liked them.
2-3 autists pretending it's secretly good doesn't make it so

>>212739239
You're cringe

>>212738067
How convenient lmao.
I guess thos skyscrapers won't explode themselves amirite?
>>212738108
>Exact same movie as TDK trilogy but with Superman.
Except TDK was actually good and beloved, unlike anything made by zack "rebel moon" snyder

>>212737172
Zod was genocidal nigga

>>212738219
I hate marvel movies except a couple of early ones and Man of Steal is worse than most of them

>>212738479
>And in case you haven't noticed, Zod made it clear that he's killing everyone until he's dead.
Deus ex machina bullshit on par with travelling back in time
snyderman is an awfuly passive and emotionally stunted character and was written into a corner to get this cringe kill because snyder thought is was cool

STOP
DEFENDING
BAD
MOVIES

>>212739343
based anon from an alternate reality were talking about MOS btw

>>212739085
Said noone ever, and snyderverse being dead before being born is proof
>>212738694
>Is that not what happened in Gunn’s movie?
No, unless you count diametrcally opposite execution of similar concept as the same

I did not hate it. it was fine

>>212739489
I no reality people liked it, contrarian
move on already
insising that this movie isn't bad for 15 years never changed anyone's opinion. Move on, I beg you
>>212739344
>NO U
lmao

>>212739324
I'm just discussing the film Man of Steel (2013) in a thread about the film Man of Steel (2013) on the television and film board of 4chan.org

>>212737061 (OP)
Because it's not Superman. He doesn't move out of the way of an exploding fuel truck. He doesn't destroy buildings. He doesn't cry while tugging a boat across the ocean

>>212738067
If it's so easy to ragdoll Zod then he should've done it more or tried a desert. These are dragonball levels of basic and he couldn't even do that. He didn't care enough to despite how easy it's shown to be.
And to that end, snapping Zod's neck shouldn't have been played as something he absolutely had to do that way. He just spent the last half hour pushing him a mile in every direction around the city. Cover his eyes with one hand and take him up. I'm not saying Superman can't kill Zod, but the situation he was placed in was incongruous with what we've been shown throughout the fight.

>>212739616
>He doesn't move out of the way of an exploding fuel truck
This was honestly what I hated the most about the movie. Even when he's fighting Doomsday in everything but Snydershit, Superman would never be so careless just for a money shot.

>>212739590
Nobody is discussing that shit.
You are just signalling its existence because yo ucan stant people disliking it an moving on 12 years ago

>>212739590
Alright. You just sound like a movie critic type who complains that the movie insists on itself. Which goes to show why this movie was well received by the public, but not the critics.
I don't watch many movies, I'm not a /tv/ guy at all. I liked MoS as a blockbuster. I don't expect a capeshit movie to be a deep work of art, if you do then the joke's on you and you only. I can only wonder, do you think other cape movies are way better? Better written? Deeper? Because frankly, Marvel isn't much better, it's still junk food of movies. Dark Knight is better, yeah, but it's an exception from the whole genre.

>>212739763
Movie critics and audience were united in shitting on the movie.
Because its bad.
You are allowed to like bad movies. You are jsut asked to not pretend they are good.
Dunno why it's so difficult

>>212739308
It's okay if you got duped and swept up in one of these influence campaigns. Happened to me too with Bayformers. It's important to learn from the experience and spot them in the future.

>>212739744
>Bullshit, asshole. Nobody likes discussing Man of Steel here
Yeah well I do
>>212739763
I hadn't thought about it until now, but yeah it really does kind of insist upon itself

>>212737061 (OP)
>stop invincible son let me die rescuing a fucking dog from a tornado that way nobody will ever see your powers
>btw destroying a mans truck is perfectly fine because he was a bit of a jerk

>>212737709
man that one-two punch is iconic

>>212739841
Still, snyderverse never ever, and snyder at netflix
Agree?
Yes agree

>>212737061 (OP)
>Why does everyone hate it?
It started on the divisive reception of the movie when it released. Lot of creative decisions felt like it was incongruent to the character of Superman, so the core Superman an found it hard to like. Only people who didnt care about the Superman character seemed to like it

>>212737061 (OP)
>It's a well made
No it isn't, are you 15?

>>212739984
>iconic
stop using words you don't understand

>>212737777
It's worse atleast cavillman tried to stop batman from being a vigilante. In Gunn's version hawkgirl is killing their enemies without any remorse and superman just lets it fly? like wtf kind of hopecore media is this?

>>212740032
>stop using words you don't understand
ironic

>>212739085
>Superman is more interesting as a god than a man.
>Same as King Arthur.
Post so retarded Zack Snyder could have written.

>>212740070
>ironic
As I said, stop using words you don't understand
>>212740043
cavillman stops a violent vigilante while being a violent vigilante. Snyder is a retard and we are lucky he won't damage any other brand

>>212739505
>snyderverse being dead before being born is proof
snyderverse was not only born but got sculpted into a 7ft gigachad who fucked bitches day and night. It's just sad that it couldn't live past its peak year and died childless.

>>212739837
I'm sorry dude, I'm not a far gone /tv/ nerd like you are. I'm a simple man—if I liked it, then it's a good movie to me. No need for mental gymnastics.
Sure, MoS is nothing you haven't seen before. It's just a pop corn movie that delivers what it should. Seen way, way worse.
By the way, you never answered what supposedly "better" superhero movies are there.

>>212740163
>As I said, stop using words you don't understand
monotonic

>>212740214
This >>212739867 is actually me, not this >>212739837 guy. Superman 1978 is better.

>>212740043
>halting a genocide isn't hopeful
violence is righteous when used to oppose evil

>>212739471
It wasn't a bad movie though. You just don't like it.
There were bad decisions here and there, yes, mostly cause Snyder is a lunkhead.
But it was a good movie, and a good start for superman. When it ends with Clark saying he wants to help on his own terms, you get a glimpse of what a confident Superman would be like. And then seeing what he was like in BvS, it completely erased any character growth from MoS.

>>212740377
No it was shit

>hide every single superman thread on the catalog
>ok now I can browse /TV/ properly
>spend 20 minutes in a thread
>get back on the catalog
>catalog is flooded again with new threads

>>212739999
>Marvel changes a shitload of stuff and laughs at some characters
>"wow, so cool and wholesome"
>Nolan changes a shitload about Batman
>"wow, so realistic and badass"
>MoS continues in the same direction as Batman, because it's DC
>"ACTUALLY [12 years of seething about changes]"
I don't know what attracts so much criticism to this movie. I never even knew Superman apparently had so many """core fans""". Suddenly everyone is a """core Superman fan""" now

>>212740415
Marvel fans were cucks who were happy that the b list heroes they liked as children finally was getting limelight, so they put up with such changes initially. But MCU became such a force that drastic deviations from core characters and the increasing criticism from core fans didnt matter as it had already gained a goodwill in the mainstream audience.

Superman was always a mainstream character that already had blockbuster movies made on him. So the bar for Man o Steel to exceed was very high

>>212737061 (OP)
You're on a website, specifically on one of it's message boards, populated by loser shut-ins who think they're all film experts, critics, or top level Hollywood directors and screenwriters never given their shot to make something they think is better.


Stop looking to other people for opinions. Decide for yourself what you like and don't like. Fuck these miserable pieces of shit. They hate everything and want everyone to hate everything so they can feel better about themselves.

>>212737061 (OP)
>Why does everyone hate it?
Speak for yourself, everybody but soibois love it. Soibois find that it has way much to testosterone for their liking.

>>212737061 (OP)
>Why does everyone hate it?
they didnt. it was bvs which really got clowned on

>>212737061 (OP)
>Man of Steel
>he's not made out of steel
Snyder is retarded

>>212737061 (OP)
This movie makes Gunnjeets cope and rope.

The movie literally triggered some reactions out of me

I only realized it subconsciously remaindered me of 911

Movie supposed to be fun and showing 911 to people was anything but fib

plz snydaar saar do the needful
man of steel 2

>>212739344
It was such a boring action sequence cause Zod and Superman never caused a bit of damage to each other. Punching each other endlessly for the sake of it, and this persisted in BvS when Doomsday was being fought up until the Kryptonite was brought onto the scene. The actual Batman v Superman fight in BvS could have been better but it is actually the most compelling fight Cavillman was ever in because there was a bit of a back and forth and mutual injuries/pain/etc

>>212741131
>Supersaar thankyouverymuch saar for doing the saving of me pls tell lewis lane her bob and vagene very beutiful and pls saar KILL ALL those pagal paki bhenchods!!!
>Superman says "...No" to proposed total Pakistani genocide
>the crowd of jeets give him a blank stare, then 3 seconds later:
>mass pajeet chimp out ensues, they turn on him instantly and begin flinging their shit at Superman
>Superman screams in horror as the shit assaults his senses, with smell and taste bearing the brunt. He loses blaance and crashes into the ground
>Superman literally buried in pajeet shit flung at him on street level and Indians on upper stories of buildings dropping their pants to shit down on him
>Superman nearly made deaf by the cacophony of 'PAGALPAGALPAGALBHENCHODCHUTIYAMADARCHOD!!!' verbal abuse directed at him, his hearing spared only by the pajeet shit that has made its way into his ear canals

>>212741570
Sorry Roop.
Ain't reading allat.

>>212737061 (OP)
It got a pretty mixed reaction from audiences. The tone didn't really work for a Superman movie. The choice to adopt the dark, gritty atmosphere of the Dark Knight trilogy for a Superman movie just doesn't work well when people expect Superman movies to be lighter and more optimistic.

On the financial end it performed almost identically to Thor: the Dark World which came out the same year and was widely considered to be Marvel's worst movie up to that point, so WB naturally felt like it severely underperformed. Going straight into BvS, doubling down on the grimdark shit and still not managing to crack a billion with 2 of the most consistently bankable superheroes in history was the next misfire and we all know how things went from there.

>>212741699
>It got a pretty mixed reaction from audiences.
Speaking for only myself, I was really hyped to see MoS. The trailers were excellent, but when I did see it I left the theatre more or less in denial that I did not like it.

>>212741699
>Going straight into BvS, doubling down on the grimdark shit and still not managing to crack a billion with 2 of the most consistently bankable superheroes in history was the next misfire and we all know how things went from there.
I've had Snyder fans very aggressively argue that BvS was a roaring success because it was like 20 mil short of 900 mil. That's a great figure for any other film but it's Batman and Superman meeting, it should have made a billion by all rights and it's such cope and denial to act like the terrible reviews and word of mouth did not harm it massively. Batman and Superman meeting (and fighting) + Wonder Woman gave it hype parity to Civil War having a few years prior of build up from other movie. Latter got carried over a billion by good reviews, former took a hit. Then you consider other stuff like how the r rated Joker made over a billion because of rave reviews.

>>212741699
The reception was mostly good. There was controversy among some Superman fans but people were ultimately excited for the next film.

>>212741699
You're just projecting your own views onto "audiences" here. It's just not borne out by the actual data. And that was always the problem here with the discussion around MoS. Contrasted by Gunn's Superman which has an actual divisive global audience reception. But because it doesn't match up with the "people expect Superman movies to be lighter and more optimistic" suddenly it's necessary to reach for all sorts of wild explanations like heatwaves and Trump.

>>212741985
>There was controversy among some Superman fans but people were ultimately excited for the next film.
Cause of Batman meeting and fighting him. It's pretty hard to gage what hype or lack thereof a solo Superman sequel would have gotten.

>>212741998
>which has an actual divisive global audience reception
Any info on audience reception? I got the impression they simply were not tuning in period, not actively shitting on the movie's quality itself

>>212741443
It looked cool.

>>212741998
>You're just projecting your own views onto "audiences" here.
I don't think so. I remember when it came out and what people were saying about it then, and it has fairly middling audience scores on both RT and imdb, both during the era long before review bombing was ever a thing.

And don't pretend to ignore it being almost identically successful to a shitty Thor movie. That's a huge marker for how it did within the existing movie / superhero climate at the time.

>>212737061 (OP)
Saar of Shit

>>212737061 (OP)

Main problem I had with it is that Superman just didn't feel like Superman. He was a mopey, depressed loser that had Superman's powers. And there's nothing wrong with that take objectively, but it didn't do it for me.
There are plenty of sort-of-Superman characters that explore that kind of mindset and various levels of how Superman can be different from Superman, etc...

I think the main component of the character is that he's inspirational. He's a beacon, he's idealistic and pure charisma. The kind of character that when he shows up you know instantly everything is going to be okay. Not just because of his personality and powers, but the entire approach. Primary colors in the costume. The costume being a bit goofy and naive. The clean cut look. Bright eyes and smile etc...
The whole works.

Snyder went for a totally different approach and vibe and it's alright as some sort of "exploration" of the character (elsewords basically), but we just need a baseline proper Superman really.
Gunn's Supes is still not there, but it's much closer. imho Gunn's movie looks way cheaper and tv-like and the tone is all over the place.

>>212742045
Being generous, reviews are mixed at best. The fact the trailers and marketing did not convince already speaks volumes by itself.

>>212742292
Superman is an idealist character and people in this day and age are cynical and post-post-post-ironic. They can't appreciate Superman just doing regular Superman stuff. There has to be some dark cynical component to it or subversion or whatever.
This is why Homelander resonates more with the audience today than Superman does.

>>212740402
It wasn't. Not a flawless movie or take on Superman but good. Ambitious, but steered astray cause of Snyder.
Despite its flaws it still did better than Gunnman so ha ha at gunners.
If youre one of those "all capeshit sucks" people, i dont really get why youd waste time here. I wouldnt go into a discussion about romance movies, because i dont give a shit about that stuff.

>>212740543
Oh yeah, completely unknown underdogs like Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk etc.. Never in the world would anyone think they'd get a movie, not after 3 Spider-Man movies and X-Men movies and Fantastic 4 movies.
>>212741443
Ok I'll give it to you, I thought the same thing. Then again I guess they are supposed to take damage, but you can't really tell
>>212742227
Ok, another fair point. Surely didn't feel all that much as Superman, with the whole "truth, justice and the American way". I guess he's still figuring out what he stands for in the movie, but he's also 33yo, this isn't his youth

>>212741699
>when people expect Superman to be lighter
Who are those "people"? I think tastes differ, some might prefer a less cartoony tone. This was popular in 2010s, and it's something that set them apart from Marvel. Now Gunn made a bright comic book Superman, well so far the movie is doing about same as MoS if not worse.
>didn't break a billion
And? You seem to think these movies weren't a financial success? Well they were. And btw, this was the first Superman movie after the 2006 one, which performed poorly. If it was such a flop and no one liked the dark tone, how come Gunn's movie is struggling to match it?

>>212742753
>completely unknown underdogs like Iron Man, Captain America
you jest but those characters were pretty much nobodies outside of comic nerds prior to Marvel turning them into gold

>stop my invincible son
>martha
Why are Snyder's movies so stupid?

>>212743140
>Who are those "people"?
Normies I guess, whatever signifier you need to separate Snyder dorks from general audiences.

>Now Gunn made a bright comic book Superman, well so far the movie is doing about same as MoS if not worse.
Direct comparison doesn't make a ton of sense as the climates these movies were released into, both in terms of ticket sales in general and enthusiasm for superhero projects, are drastically different. As mentioned MoS did about as well as a shitty Thor movie in 2013 at the height of the superhero craze, that is pretty much a disaster for a Superman movie.

In 2025 with capeshit and movie attendance generally both being in their death throes, I would worry more if Gunn's superman can't overcome current Marvel projects like the shitty Captain America earlier this year. Honestly if it is majorly outclasses by F4 I would consider that a very clear defeat.

The video game cheat codes by Lex Luthor to beat Superman were a bit to much.

>>212742753
>Oh yeah, completely unknown underdogs like Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk etc.
Compared to Spider-man they were B List even the comic book sales showed that

>>212737061 (OP)
this bullshit is worse than the snow white movie

>>212737061 (OP)
I liked it, the only watchable supes movie, the only bad shit was all the boring flashbacks to his kid days.

>>212737540
Nolan produced it right after his Dark Knight Trilogy because the studio begged him to make something like it, retard.

>>212738108
> Being this obsessed with a midwit director like Nolan
Hello saar

>>212740026
>>212737294
>>212738097
>>212737955

The only people who don't understand this scene are faggots who weren't taught to respect their parents. I bet when your father is on his deathbed and you're too much of a pussy to respect his choice to pull the plug, he will regret letting you grow up an "independent thinker" who puts your own self righteous judgement over someone's right to choose for themselves.

Superman has to make decisions that overrule our right to act for ourselves. Even if he acts in the best interests of others, that is based on what he thinks is best for everyone, which is ultimately something he doesn't have the full capacity to do, as he is not omniscient. He let his father die because he was raised to respect the free will of other living beings and that his god like powers should not be used to infringe on free will even if intended for good purpose. This changes when Zodd forces his hand.

>>212737061 (OP)
The only people that hate it are comicfags upset that they didn't portray Superman as "comic accurate" and they are the ones terminally online so you're more likely to come across their opinion about it. Most normal people enjoyed it or didn't feel strongly about it one way or the other.

>>212747150

>Pa Kent is standing perfectly still by the car for 10 minutes, raising his hand in slow motion
>"do not attempt to save me at all"
>Clark could've simply pretended he was struggling against the wind and saved his dad while looking like it was a big ordeal and they somehow managed to luck out and survive
>instead he stands there frozen like a cuck
>spends the rest of the movies depressed and moping

the entire thing was contrived to high heavens

Snyder's Superman is a First Contact kind of story, focusing on his alien origins and "What does this mean for humanity?". Henry Cavill rather than being a wholesome boy scout is presented as a godlike figure. He's distant, in almost every conceivable way, from his personality to his powers and the visual language of the films. Basically it is about Superman the idea, the myth, and how people react to him in a realistic setting.

This was divisive, because people want Superman to be more warm and optimistic character. The brooding melodrama didn't resonate with everyone. It was truly a product of 2000s edge culture.

>>212739471
>because snyder thought is was cool
Snyder didn't come up with the story nor wrote the script. He just directed the movie.

>>212737061 (OP)
>the krypton shit is dopey af
>michael shannon's ugliness is fr distratcting
>think of great athletes, actors, politicians, etc. -- are any of them ugly?
>flashback scenes are legit emotionally resonant but all criticisms against johnathan kent are valid -- what was the deal with his boomer cynicism: ok to let those kids die, ok to suicide yourself in a tornado
>amy adams is a bad lois lane. what ruined the christoper reeve supermans is how ugly margot kidder is. if there was actually a tall, handsonme, virile, super strong alien man, why isn't he pulling better pussy?
>the film feels rushed: superman is doing his bruce banner vagabond detective shit and then he's under arrest and on the alien ship.
>henry cavil's weak chin and ugly british teeth are distracting
>many more things wrong with this version of superman

>>212747758
Imo it's as much "a product of 2000s edge culture" as Gunn's movie is a product of 2010s soi face culture. Trends exist, different visions exist. I honestly think MoS made a lot of sense in 2013, and the new Superman makes a lot of sense in 2025. Why people can't ever accept 2 different visions of Superman is beyond me—we can have Burton Batman and Nolan Batman, but God forbid someone has a different vision of Superman.

>>212748011
>Henry Cavill
>weak chin
Ok, Jay Leno

>>212741847
>The trailers were excellent,
That first teaser with Clark as a kid with almost a Malick feeling to it and the narration of Jonathan is still the best teaser/trailer I've ever seen, and I don't even care that much about big IP movies or super heroes, but that teaser made me think this movie was going to be something sublime, and the final product was a very mixed bag that didn't even scratch that tone.

Visual cacophony, complete lack of characterization on the protagonist, more concerned with showing shit exploding and crumbling than building a narrative. It's visual overload with no impact behind it.
Complete tripe.

>>212742045
At least in Germany, where I am from, it's making less money than Morbius and the word of mouth I've heard is atrocious. I haven't seen it though. Waiting for an HD rip.

>>212748011
>>amy adams is a bad lois lane
I used to think the same, and her character is still written in a very underwhelming way, but as I've gotten older I've come to realize Superman needs a mommy gf that will nurture his cock when he comes back home after a hard day saving the world.

>>212739171
Yeah obviously putting characters in difficult scenarios is terrible. Good writing is when you make generic capeshit for manchildren to clap along to with zero struggle.
>putting characters in corners is bad writing
You unironically typed that shit and expected anyone to take your opinions seriously. That's wild

>>212747567
his ankle is injured and he cannot walk, you disingenuos retard

>>212737061 (OP)
>Why does everyone hate it?
Largely for the same exact reason "people" hated the star wars prequels for well over a decade after release. People broadly didn't but there was a contingent of highly vocal detractor genxers who were upset that the new entry in the series was tonally different from the prior series entries and how they remember it being when they saw them as children. Of course the movies in reality weren't exactly how they remember them being but that's another topic for another day. Boomers, millennials and zoomers broadly don't have any of the issues with either franchise that genx specifically does because the property isn't surgically attached in a way that defines memories and feelings about their childhood like is the case with genxers. It's a generational issue. I'm sure there are media equivalents for boomers, millennials and zoomers but I'm not really aware of them and it's possible that none of those equivalents are remotely as strong for the other generations because genx may have had a uniquely strong attachment to film because of the media environment they grew up in.

>>212737061 (OP)
Honestly? I think it's because they don't understand the layered, allegorical themes. They expected a popcorn flick, were given a film that requires using your brain, and instead of thinking they let their brain shut down. MCU programmed their brain to consume a certain kind of mind-numbing superhero slop where they munch on popcorn while waiting for funny and amazing scenes. Ask them what their three favorite non-superhero films are, and you'll see what kind of dolt you're dealing with.

>>212740543
>Marvel fans were cucks who were happy that the b list heroes they liked as children finally was getting limelight, so they put up with such changes initially
Well the dirty secret is that the vast majority of that generation of Marvel fans had never actually read the comics, especially not the (at the time) C list characters like Iron Man Thor and Captain America. Superman is practically folklore at this point so even people who have never read a comic book or seen a Superman movie can notice everything that’s differently.

>>212737172
it's ok
I guess Jor-El sent kal to show Zod how to do it right this time