It was your father's.

>>212750813 (OP)
You don't know my father

>irishman named ra's al ghul

REEEEEEEEEE

>>212750813 (OP)
How do you respond without sounding mad?

>>212750992
pull out my hidden glocks and light his ass up like a Christmas tree

>>212750813 (OP)
Did he actually believe this or was he just trying to rile Bruce up?

>>212752535
Yes.

>I DONT HAVE TO KILL YOU BUT I DONT HAVE TO SAVE YOU
Erm, actually this counts as a kill technically

Why do people act like this was correct and supposed to be accepted by the audience and not just an early warning sign of the tibetan dudes being crazy extremists?

>>212750813 (OP)
Mind your... surroundings!

>>212750813 (OP)
>Yeah, well... your wife couldn't fucking ski. How about that? You pissed yourself.

When he looks down I stab him.

Yield.

>>212752774
Hows he wrong?

Actually it was the fault of these digits

>>212750813 (OP)
>bat bastard

>>212750920
>thinking that's actually his real name
>And not an adopted surname he took on when he became patriarch for The League of Shadows

>>212750813 (OP)
>It was your father's
Actually true. Dad's a billionaire and doesn't have private security while out and about in Gotham? Its like me going to the ghetto by myself wearing a rolex.

>>212752644
Not doing something is not the same as doing something.

>>212752774
>people act like this was supposed to be accepted by the audience
i don't think people act like that

>>212753022
He's blaming the victim for getting shot by a mugger. It's completely insane and an early sign something is very wrong there at the League of Shadows. There is only one person whose fault it is, and that's the gunman who shot them.

>>212752535
He 100% believed it. He was trying to bring Bruce around to his way of thinking with the intent of him being his star lieutenant.

He’s right. Thomas Wayne, with his exorbitant wealth, should have banned all niggers from Gotham. This reducing and eliminating over 50% of all violent crime. reducing his chances of ever being mugged.

>>212753334
Or perhaps Ra's al Ghul is immortal.

>>212753665
but he was shot by a white mugger

>>212753685
>Gunned down by one of my own, Peter!

begins is better than dark knight and the first half is very comfy

>>212753445
It was Batman's plan to derail the train. This is no different than Batman pushing someone off a cliff and then saying he didn't kill them, he just didn't save them from falling.

>>212753685
Ever see what happens to a white guy in Compton? He appropriates culture, joins gangs and commits crimes. Without niggers Joe Chill would have become an astronaut.

>>212753616
Wrong, this is like saying Timothy Treadwell isn't responsible for his and his girlfriend's deaths because only the bear is to blame.

>>212750992
Just like your daughter's death is your fault. BAM!

>>212752774
>Why do people act like this was correct
name one person

>>212753668
>zero mention of the Lazarus Pit
A shame. A good set of Batman movies regardless.

>>212753872
A bear is not a person.

>>212753685
He was Sicilian

>>212754538
I saw one ride a bike. Bear Lives Matter.

>>212753616
but what if the gunman had a tough childhood? bet you didn't think of that, smart guy.

>>212753668
Nolanverse avoided magic and the more outlandish sci-fi aspects of Batman's rogue gallery.

>>212753616
No but it's true.
We are all responsible for the decisions we make.
Like would it be victim-blaming if you walked into the African wilderness and got torn apart by wild dogs?
Like you can argue about the morals and ethics but the reality of the world doesn't abide by man's lofty moral standards.
Like a girl walking out alone at night gets raped. Yes her rapist shouldn't have raped her, but if she was more afraid or socially aware she would have taken steps to preempt that from happening.

>>212755079
It's still the rapist's fault

>>212752774
>Why do people act like this was correct and supposed to be accepted by the audience
i remember thinking he was just trying to get a rise out of Bruce and teach him a lesson about not loosing your cool in a fight

>Fuck my daughter, Bruce!

>>212754538
Neither is a mugger.

You think the ice is your ally...

>>212753685
Removing the darkues reduces crime for everyone thereby the mugger wiuldnt exist as a criminal, however due to his inaction of bettering gotham the mugger still existed because being around niggers is like a blackhole

>>212755704
It does both quite well, gets the thought process of their group across by implying his father was weak and unprepared which led to that outcome, which pisses bruce off by blaming his father for his parents death even though it was the mugger completely at fault in his world view

>>212752644
definitely

>>212750992
At least my father didn't pee in his pants.

>>212755621

Fault is irrelevent, things happen, be prepared to act.

>>212752644
>THIS TRAIN OF EVENTS THAT I PUT FORTH INTO MOTION LEADING TO YOUR PERMANENT DEMISE DOES NOT COUNT AS ME KILLING YOU OK

He leaves out that his League were working in Gotham to sow severe economic downfall with the goal of collapsing the city, and the desperate types like Joe Chill were desperate because of his machinations, so really, Bruce's parents' death is Ra's' fault.

>>212751039
That sounds pretty mad anon

>>212750992
He had a gun

>>212753744
Bats frighten me

>>212759553
commie bullshit. You are responsible for your own actions. Bruce set the events in motion that caused the train crash that killed Ra's. In a court of law, he killed him.

>>212753022
Saying a victim of a murder-robbery is at fault is insanely cruel and a sign that this guy has a hardcore Nietzschean "might makes right" outlook on life. Bruce is coming from a place of using his power to help those in need and to protect those weaker than him while the Ninja Illuminati wants to use their power to brutalize those weaker than them and they are using "fighting crime" as a pretext for this.

This is also made clear later when they want Bruce to execute a peasant for stealing food.

>>212759998
>this guy has a hardcore Nietzschean "might makes right" outlook on life
So once again, how is he wrong?

>>212758434

>>212750813 (OP)
Messi's parent wut?

>>212760209
By his own logic and world view hes wrong. Batman used his superior power to defeat him.

>>212760283
>Batman used his superior power to defeat him.
So then he is correct that might makes right.

>>212759998
And condemning thousands of innocent people in Gotham for the sins of corrupt officials

>>212760303
Its a paradox. Might Makes Right is for bitter incel nerd school shooter types as a cope for burn down the world. When they ultimately fail and get BTFO by Chads, this seemingly proves their point, but its an illusion. The reality is that Chads are good natured and good will always triumph over evil because evil is so corrosive that it weakens itself.

>>212759998
>wants to use their power to brutalize those weaker than them and they are using "fighting crime" as a pretext for this.
This is why a lot of those pedophile hunter videos rub me the wrong way. Its just obvious that the people behind these things are cruel and mean idiots and have found a socially acceptable person to beat up on. Its clearly not about justice or protecting children.

>>212760385
It's not a paradox, it's just factually correct. Even if it were true and not just retarded conjecture that believing in might makes right weakens you, the belief would still be correct(though very inconvenient).

>>212752644
It does but i think Batman is mocking/calling back to how Ra's "escaped" death earlier.
But, i dont mind accepting the idea that batman killed Ra's.

>>212752644
>trolley problem

>>212759178
A literal train. Bravo

>>212752644
Good

>>212750992
Agree and move on

>>212752644
>fire gun at someone
>you didn't kill them because they could have rolled out of the way and you didn't stop them from doing so

>>212752774
Because he is correct. Bruces dad couldve attacked the mugger and at least saved his wife and kid if not himself too, instead he chose appeasement. Ras is making a nietzchean point about will.
At the end bats has the will to "kill" ras overcoming him, but because its capeshit they have to cop out on it with ras and joker bane etc

>>212750992
I waggle my finger over my lips going BLBLBLBLBLB until I have achieved victory

>>212760937
It is the fault of the mugger, no one else.

>>212760385
Might makes right is not a statement about morality retard, but about pragmatism. You ca whine like a slave moralist all day but you still gonna go to the lion pit because right or wrong, romans have swords

>>212750813 (OP)
>If somebody stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart
I don't think this man is well.

>>212761051
It isnt the muggers responsibility to keep waynes family safe

>>212759998
>execute a peasant for stealing food
who became a murderer, pay attention to the fucking movie next time. they weren't executing him just for taking food moron.

>>212761051
No matter how many times you repost this, it will never be true.

>Anger doesn't change the fact that your father failed to act.
>The man had a gun!
>Would that stop you!?
>I've had training
>The training is nothing, will is everything! The will to act.

>>212761125
>t. the stabbable

>>212753445
>nurse wakes up late
>assigned patient dies
>this doesn't count since it's the inaction that leads to the death

>>212761139
They make it very clear by later on their only justice is death. They condemn ALL in Gotham, innocent and guilty alike.

>>212761191
Batman wasnt employed contractually obligated to perform ras's healthcare...

>>212761274
>Batman throws batarang at Joker's neck, slicing it
>this doesn't count as killing because he had the choice to catch the batarang mid air with his Batman reflex, but he didn't
Why doesn't he just do this? It doesn't break his code.

>>212761348
I can barely parse the english here nevermind the retard logic

>whole second movie is about Batman's one rule, which remains unbroken
>climax of the third movie he just blows away League goons with his Batwing and directly fatally injures Talia

>>212761401
You're brown

>>212761636
How do I respond to this without sounding mad?

>>212761636
Youre the one making slave moralist arguements senpai

>>212751039
>Deflects your bullets with his katana
Heh, you never did learn to mind your footing

>>212761465
>whole second movie is about Batman's one rule, which remains unbroken

He kills Harvey Dent like five minutes after saving the Joker lmao

>>212753616
It's the gunman's fault, but Batman's dad's "fault" for not fulfiling his own responsibility for personal safety.
If Bruce's dad had simply trained as a ninja for years, he would've been able to deal with the attacked. Instead, he purposefully left himself untrained and then purposefully walked into "Crime Alley". Thomas Wayne failed himself and his family. I am being unironic.

>>212753238
Kek

>>212752535
He did but people misunderstand what he meant. He wasn't saying "might is right" or whatever asinine meaning some want to assign it, he was making a point about being passive. Hence the whole "will to act" bit which it appears a bunch of anons here skipped over. It was Bruce's dad's fault because he surrendered to inaction and accepted his death instead of trying to find a way out. Crime is out-of-control because general society is unwilling to get off their ass and take proper measures to tackle it, they are unwilling to act.

It's also why Ra's al Ghul's death at the end is so ironic because after years of yammering on about the evils of passivity, he proceeds to surrender to his fate aboard the train at the end instead of trying to escape.

This even comes around towards the end of the trilogy where Gotham almost completely eradicates crime by adopting absolutely insane draconian measures which they would previously have been unwilling to do and what Ra's was criticizing society for earlier.

>>212750813 (OP)
Liam Onii-san can be so kino, and yet he keeps appearing in a steady stream of direct-to-video B-movie trash.... just to keep busy? Here he is about to star in the Naked Gun thing, which will probably be terrible, but it's at least a notable franchise, and yet he's simultaneously appearing some "Ice Road" sequel with 21% on Rotten Tomatoes. What's the deal? Did he spend all his Star Wars earnings on coshes (for purely defensive purposes)? Or is he just trying to achieve the ideal of the constant workhorse actor, no role too small?

>>212759998
They're literal accelerationists before accelerationism was cool and before it came a massive meme.

>>212759998
He's not saying the mugger was right or a good guy, but that Thomas Wayne should have been prepared to defend his family from bad guys.

>>212762976
It's easy paychecks for easy work.

>>212762976
he has to do these films in order to fund his true passion: hunting down the black bastard that raped his sister. it's been decades and he's still looking, you can aid his search by watching his films!

>>212750813 (OP)
sickest line in capehistory.

>*pisses himself*

As has been stated previously over and over again, his father was at fault because he didn't tell young Bruce to shut the fuck up and watch the play. He was too conciliatory to his son's childish fears and died because of it. A child should never blame themselves for failing to be an adult.

>>212762644
The gunmans fault? He shot and hit his targets, where is the fault?

>>212761652
Just dont be brown bro

>>212750992
Show him one of these. Thus ensuring I get 1 free hit on him, as honor demands, sealing my victory.

>>212750992
When there's a knife, you run, with a gun, you charge

>>212752644
He could have jumped out. He is a ninja with ninja bullshit skills. He could have easily survived, but he didn't. He chose to die.

>>212750992
>No one is expecting to be murdered for complying with a robbery which itself is an unlikely event and my father was a physician, not a trained assassin or an individual who could possibly anticipate or prevent what occurred. Saying my father was at fault is like saying the patient is at fault for dying in an emergency room rather than treating their own injury.

>>212752644
Batman didn't destroy the supports, Gordon did.

>>212765424
His father was at fault for indulging his son's stupid fucking fears and leaving the show early. That's what he meant. Bruce was too stupid to understand though.

>>212765610
Alfred had it right first
>It was nothing that you did, it was him and him alone
Stop listening to absolute nutcases that routinely wipe out populations they think are a little too successful.

>>212760385
>they ultimately fail and get BTFO by Chads
Right because being likable and influential is a form of social power. Chad won because he is the uberman.

If the mugger was always going to kill them, then who was going to save them? It's not reasonable to expect a woman or a child to fight the mugger off so it was the dads duty.

Rich and recognizable couple walking in a dark alley with expensive jewelry in an extreme crime city.

Bruce’s father was an idiot.

>>212761652
Have a big white cock and write his post number on it with a sharpie then post it. You'll get banned but you will savor victory. That's what Ras al ghul would do.

Best speech was falcones

>>212765610
>>212763550
bait

bruce you made me pee

Bruce, I walked the streets of Gotham with a cosh, hoping I'd be approached by a black bastard so that I could kill him. Your father's will failed him. Never leave the cave without a cosh, Bruce. Black bastards could be anywhere.

>>212766269
It's true though. He could have also just called a cab or fucking Alfred.

>>212753616
The gunman is the murderer here, but Mr. Wayne should've acted to protect his family, and more importantly made himself capable of protecting his family.
Wayne Sr. should've been packing and trained, or had a bodyguard. Gotham's a rough town and he's taking his wife and child out where there are murderers with no ability to protect them.

>>212753616
>him saying you're responsible for yours and your families safety is wrong uh well because, uh, it-it's victim blaming!!
Yes, Joe Chill gunning down Martha and Thomas Wayne is, most of all, Joe Chill's fault for being a murdering psycho.
But it is a mans responsibility to protect himself and his family. If Thomas Wayne had a gun and shot Joe Chill in the fucking head, he and his family would be safe.
Take this as a lesson, all anons, stay strapped. In times of extreme crisis the only people you can count on with 100% certainty is yourself.

>>212766619
It was a gay-ass opera show, why would you even bring a ten-year-old there in the first place, let alone stay if he's having a panic attack over it? The dad probably wanted to leave too.

>>212766094
I like how every character has a perspective on fear as a tool
Falcone terrorizes the innocent for selfish reasons
Scarecrow terrorizes the guilty for selfish reasons
Batman terrorizes the guilty for altruistic reasons
al-Ghul terrorizes the innocent for altruistic reasons

But all of them make a pretty good case for why they use fear and how effective they are
>you think because you ain't afraid of dying that you got nothing to lose

>>212766701
>Take this as a lesson, all anons, stay strapped. In times of extreme crisis the only people you can count on with 100% certainty is yourself.
It really is true that when seconds count the police are minutes away. And it takes a lot of practice to get good with a gun, and even more to get so good with a gun that you can safely operate it with a head full of fear and adrenaline.
Pistol shooting is a fun hobby, and also might literally save your life one day, and I highly recommend anons get into it.

>>212766761
>Scarecrow terrorizes the guilty
>batman, rachel, the entire city?
i think he just likes terrorizing senpai

>>212766807
He had been terrorizing inmates at Arkham with his psychological experiments for a long time beforehand.

>>212766807
>i think he just likes terrorizing senpai
Yeah but his main thing is dosing inmates, ie criminals, with fear toxin. Like Falcone

Continue

>>212752644
this is probably survivable if he secured himself right?

>>212750813 (OP)
Batman Begins is the best one in a trilogy.

>Isn't it convenient for a 52-year-old man who has no history of mental illness to have a psychotic breakdown just when he's about to be indicted?
>Well as you can see for yourself, there is nothing...convenient about his symptoms

>>212750992
>No it wasn't, you fuckin nutcase.

>>212766996
the impact force maybe but the sheet metal? he's going through a garlic press

>>212761186
Do you have it, /tv/?

Do YOU have the will to act?

That seems bit sexist.
Why is the mother not at fault for failing to act?

So why wasn't Bane doing anything for the League in the first movie?

>>212767059
He had been excommunicated. He returned when Talia took control of the League after her father's death, as she had a soft spot for him after he protected her and her mother to the best of his abilities and took a severe mangling for it.

>>212767055
>make stupid post about female equality
>use a picture of a "woman" roided out on male hormones to imply it

>>212767055
She should've done this, or offered his son's hole. The will to act is everything.

>>212767045
from that height the impact would be like hitting concrete