alright alright, let's settle this once and for all.

did larry david carry seinfeld?

Yes. How is that even a question?

>>212789274 (OP)
Yes completely. Larry made Curb which was improv Seinfeld for 20 years. Jerry made The bee movie and the poptart movie. And I'll never forgive him for how he treated Soshana.

I fully suspect on his own, Jerry might have made some 90s film that bombed, and you'd talk about him like you talk about Carrot Top now.

No, and seasons 8 & 9 are the proof.

can't believe he let vanity ruin his relationship with Larry Charles. Read about that last week changed my opinion ngl

>>212789274 (OP)
Just wanna say that Curb sorta lost its steam part way though, and it went from mostly David and his retired rich hollywood friends getting into awkward situations, to a cartoon show.

David's wife Cheryl was a great straight man, and actually a good woman you'd want to marry. Irma is a complete cartoon character. Leon is another human cariacture (no way Larry has black friends). He probably felt the show needed its own Kramer.

>>212789769
By that time the show had lots of other writers and a defined concept that David had helped originate. Seasons 8 and 9 are also generally weaker and have a slightly different, less grounded feel to earlier seasons.

>>212789841

Curb doesn’t even touch Seinfeld. Jerry brought a likability and more relatable humor to balance Larry’s (George’s) neuroticism. They needed each other equally.

>>212789763
>Carrot Top
Chairman of the BORED

>>212789890
They’re not weaker at all, they’re filled w all-time bangers. The worst episode out of them is the finale, which Larry wrote.

>watch some rejected pilot Larry David wrote for Gilbert Gottfried named "Norman's Corner"
>It's the biggest shit you can't even imagine
Or Gottfried sabotaged him with an annoying autist performarnce, or he's shit
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKHk5JnBE5E

Its only valuable thing is being the first thing recorded in HDTV in 1987
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htl_6EmlvL0

>>212789948
But of course I’d totally watch it for Courtney.

season 8 has some of the most iconic moments on seinfeld but season 9 did really start to slide (although there were moments of brilliance there too)

>>212789763
haha what a wacky looking film. is that a spaceman on the cover? why would there be a space man? lol
and holy shit! what is going on with that cow?
this film looks like a wild ride!

>>212789981
>The worst episode out of them is the finale, which Larry wrote.

Which Larry accepts, and he owns up to. The problem is that Larry was trying to write an actual god damn story, with character arcs, and an actual conclusion. It's anathema to the show's format.

Elaine was gonna burst out she loved Jerry on the plane? What? They had nothing going on. She and Puddy were perfect. They toyed with the idea of some kind of plane crash leading to a limbo ending, which is actually became the premise of Lost? And Jerry and George get to go to LA to finally get their sit-com picked up even though NBC turned them down like 10 years ago? Why would they just suddenly give him a second chance?

That kind of story arc also would need some kind of a build up. Jerry gets a career resurgance the whole season, and suddenly he's getting more offers.

And why not have Jerry and George actually succeed in their sit com show? Why not? Fuck it. It's the finale! Give them some bread crumbs.

Give a little ending where you show where they all end up. George marries unhappily with 3 kids, Jerry never marries, has 2 kids, Puddy and Elaine have 2 kids, etc.

>>212790162
Good points

>>212789274 (OP)
absolutely not. its the other way around.

>>212789825
qrd?

>>212790162
>George marries unhappily with 3 kids, Jerry never marries, has 2 kids, Puddy and Elaine have 2 kids, etc.
None of that would have happened realistically lol they'd all be single still with zero kids just like 75% of NYC.

The finale should have just ended like every other episode. I wonder what Larry Charles would have done.

>>212789769
8 and 9 were dog shit and just had george become a caricature of himself

>>212790865
Wrong

the worst part of seinfeld was that awful Steinbrenner impersonation that larry david forced himself into the show with. if he werent the showrunner, that shit never makes it into the show

>>212789274 (OP)
Remember when he pissed on a picture of Jesus Christ
Pepperidge Farms remembers

>>212791025
you serious? that shit was hilarious! especially in the episode where he wants George to bring the calzones for lunch

>>212791899
>>212791025
It's definitely a New Yorker-ism, where you have to get who Steinberner is, and all the complaints about him being a hard-ass to get the joke.

>>212792009
all I know is he has something to do with the Yankees, and I got that from Seinfeld. No further context is needed. It's funny because he is George's boss, and George has to deal with it.

8 and 9 are the two best seasons

>>212790958
>others peoples cumulative opinions are all that matter. I have an info graph
NTA but you're a faggot lol

>>212789981
>>212790162
>The problem is that Larry was trying to write an actual god damn story, with character arcs, and an actual conclusion. It's anathema to the show's format.
Conceptually, I get what Larry was attempting to achieve. He had essentially developed the "full circle" formula for each episode where events at the start would prove pivotal for a concluding punchline at the end. For the finale, he was attempting to create the ultimate full circle episode, but the issue is that it's too cute and contrived to bring in all the past one off characters who were wronged in some way by the gang... and the end result is what we got. What Larry could have done was to create a series of events that catapulted the characters into a regressive state of living similar to how they started out at the beginning of the series... showing karma's punishment in a less contrived way. At this point, Larry was done with Seinfeld and I don't think he had it in him to create a good finale. Him returning was a marketing stunt more than anything.

>>212789274 (OP)
Did Richard carry curb?

>>212789769
seasons 8 & 9 were great, but I don't think they would have gotten there without Larry.

>>212792241
It’s literally one data point you retard but a good illustration that the idea that s8+9 were some kind of dumpster fire is greatly exaggerated

>>212792607
I agree. I think they both needed each other.

plenty of the eps after he left are great but he certainly was like 30% of the total product

>>212792551
I believe Larry admitted the circular structure came from the writers.

>>212792735
Anon says
>8&9 were garbage
His opinion.
You reply with
>wrong.
And a chart of fan ratings in an attempt to disprove, in your own words
>the idea that s8+9 were some kind of dumpster fire is greatly exaggerated
Which wasnt waht the other anon said, he said his opinion is that 8&9 are garbage. So you're just a strawmanning faggot

>>212792869
Interesting... either way that seemed to be catalyst for the finale's plot.

>>212791025
terrible opinion lol

>>212792735
i think they were garbage in comparison to earlier seasons. the characters just became even more ridiculously selfish assholes, particularly george. the thing with george was that you couldn't *really* say he's wrong but rather was just breaking social conventions.

>>212789274 (OP)
Larry *made* Jerry. Jerry would be Dennis Wolfberg if not for Larry David. Fucking please.

>>212790613
it's 70% actually

>>212789895
>"I'm telling you Cheryl, we've found out that autism is caused by parents not beating their kids hard enough"
>"...Well, my parents never beat me"

>>212789763
Carrot Top has a highly successful Vegas show that runs almost every night, he's doing alright.

In all honesty... My favorite jew comedian?

Martin Short.

>>212795632
bnuuy

>>212795990
>Martin Short
FUCK YOU!
He was raised Catholic and is Irish and English. You fucking well poisoner.

>>212796073
Who's funnier than demented era King Heros then?

>>212789274 (OP)
Yes, absolutely.
Also season 3>5>2=4>7>1=6>>9>8

>>212796201
Herod. I am drunkenly driving

Larry Charles was the better Larry.

>>212789274 (OP)
Nah, he was aboard for season 1 and 2 which weren't great, and he was absent for season 8 and 9 which were still pretty good.

>>212797413
>season 8 and 9 which were still pretty good
stop

>>212789274 (OP)
Larry David + Jason Alexander carried Seinfeld. George was Larry's self-insert character, and without George, Seinfeld would have never succeeded.

>>212797759
>without George, Seinfeld would have never succeeded
In hindsight I think George may have been the only relatable character.

everyone except Jerry carried the show

>>212789841
Season 10 was the best thoughbeit

>>212789841
Curb is much weaker than Seinfeld, doesn't hold up as well on repeat viewing
Improv was a mistake

>>212798138
can't relate, the laugh track kills any potential enjoyment I could get out of Seinfeld, it's exceptionally bad with that show

>>212790162
It's impossible to write a decent sitcom finale because the whole point of a sitcom is that it resets at the end of each episode
The ideal finale is just another episode

>>212798189
When you see a show live does the crowd also upset you

>>212797759
George is very feminine