>star wars was saved in the edit!
what the fuck does this meme even mean and where did it start, it's parroted everywhere nowadays

Just watch the Plinkett reviews.

>Just watch the Plinkett reviews.

The cut they used before was really bad.

>>212819610
I did, several times, still no clue.
I might be retarded though, can you explain?

Its once again an attempt or not give the credit to George that he deserves.

>>212819586 (OP)
It was true in the sense that when George Lucas has his initial editor, John Jympson make the first assembly, the result was a disaster. The movie sucked in that form, and the special effects were sub-par.
Lucas asked Jympson to redo it. Jympson said "No." So Lucas fired him and hired himself, his wife Marcia, Richard Chew, and Paul Hirsch to reedit it, so then it was "saved in the edit."

>>212819654
It wasn't a cut, it was just the first assembly. "The Lost Cut" isn't a cut. Now, the Biggs Darklighter Cut? That is a cut, but it's unofficial.

>>212819671
This most of all. The ones bringing this up are doing it in bad faith.

all movies ever filmed are saved in the edits. no one watches raw footages to enjoy a movie

>>212819812
Shut up with your autism, Timmy!

>>212819859
One day I'm going to release my own version of the lost cut and insist that's ayyykshully the best way to watch Star Wars just to see how many can't tell it's a joke.

retarded meme, here's a food analogy for your amusement
>try to cook spanish omelette
>buy eggs
>buy potayters
>whisk eggs with a spoon
>cut the potatos raw
>someone with an actual clue comes along
>"wtf are you doing you retard, you have to use a whisker, or at least a fucking fork if you're poor"
>"you're supposed to FRY the potatoes FIRST you dumb fuck"
>"also you can use a bit of parsley, and some people like onion as well"
>"here let me show you"
>...
>"UHMM ACTUALLY THE SPANISH OMELETTE WAS NEVER GOOD IT WAS SAVED IN THE KITCHEN"

*and you can make your own lost cut priddy much since the parties involved tell you what scenes were where, minus several finished parts. So incomplete, but I suppose you can mess 'em up yourself. I mean right down to using the exact WWII stand-in footage with Gustav Holst's temp music you can recreate it best you can, leaving a slightly more polished turd in the Lucasfilm archives.

>>212819586 (OP)
here ya go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

>>212819967
They won't get it. I did that shit years ago with DS9 and people thought I was serious and they started to think it was the best Trek too just because I kept pushing that shit lol
People are dumb as fuck.

>>212819586 (OP)
Aren't all movies?
I don't think anyone releases raw footage.

>>212820181
Ha! qrd? I like DS9 sometimes. I usually call it Lesser Bootleg Next Generation.

Stop watching Starshit.

>>212820089
should also go back to using David Prowse's voice for Vader total kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ3LHiBFgXc

>>212820372
When I first heard his voice decades ago, I laughed, but now I think it could have worked if his character took of the helmet and mask for brief periods. Alas, it was not to be. I'm happy with what we got, but that would be a neat project I suppose.

You know I just realized that the cinematographer for Star Wars is the same guy who did it for Flash Gordon (1980). huh

>>212819586 (OP)
It's a coping mechanism by people that hate the prequels to rationalize why the old movies were good. So they convince themselves that people distracted George with some crayons he can eat and locked him out of the editing to save the poor movie from his talentless ass.

Truth is nobody believed that SW is gonna be big, let alone a cultural touchstone. Most thought it was gonna flop. The actors, the studio. For the ILM it was just a paycheck till the next gig. No matter what they say now, back then nobody looked at SW as some uncut gem that can be shaped into something great if only Lucas can be distracted while they do it.
Hirsch, one of the editors in his autobiography, takes credit for all sorts of SW staples, like lightsaber colors.
The saved in the edit can be spinned anyway people want. The one SW movie everybody loves, ESB, is the one they say Lucas was least involved, just cause he wasn't in Finland for shooting Hoth scenes. But he worked with ILM on the VFX so that includes Hoth battle and the asteroid belt miniature scenes. The two of the three big action setpieces of the movie. No Kirschner there. And he was super-involved in the post-production in the. . . Editing Room, while Kirschner wasn't there that much at that point. So did Lucas save ESB in edit?

>>212820535
This^
(but (*Kershner, albeit Paul Hirsch adds to the mental sorting)

>>212819586 (OP)
When a fandom is allowed to fester in its own lies and misinformation long enough to consider their inane statements as “truth” it override any sense of reality and common sense. Star Wars like any movie was definitely improved in the edits as all movies are hence why edits exists. But fans and the internet in general like to hyperbole things. Especially after the manbaby outrage for the prequels made any criticism of George seem fair despite their obvious falsehoods and anti George biases.

One note on The Empire Strikes Back, Irvin Kershner didn't employ a certain technique whose name eludes me at this time, but nevertheless robbed Lucas opportunities to ruin, err I mean re-edit TESB earlier than his 1997 attempt.

>>212820535
Also there's that RLM quote how he didn't really create Star Wars, he just "started the ball rolling.
Tarantino or Nolan make a movie? Oh, it's a singular vision of an auteur filmmaker laser-focused to perfection.
George Lucas makes a movie? Oh, he just started the ball rolling. Movies are a collaborative effort by thousands of real human beings not one asshole that raped my childhood. It was saved in the edit by his brave wife. Ralph McQuarrie designed the whole thing (although he kind of didn't, he designed a lot of the characters, all the ships were done by other people that don't get the credit cause all everybody talks is McQuarrie, when the Falcon and X-Wings weren't designed by him, but you know "singular vision"). Why didn't he listen to Gary Kurtz the guy that almost bankrupted him and end his space fairytale with Leia balancing the New Republic budget, Luke walking off into the wilderness and Han dying cause Harrison Ford was cranky?
If Nolan made the movie he would've taken McGregor to the orbit of Saturn and show the space scenes there.
These people act like Peter Jackson personally forged every sword we see on screen in LOTR, or that James Cameron renders every frame of Avatar movies on his laptop, while Lucas just takes credit and counts the money in his castle.

>>212820845
>Why didn't he listen to Gary Kurtz the guy that almost bankrupted him and end his space fairytale with Leia balancing the New Republic budget, Luke walking off into the wilderness and Han dying cause Harrison Ford was cranky?

More on this please.

>>212820923
Gary Kurtz got fired cause he let Kershner dick around on set for way to long so they went over budget, and spent all the money Lucas made from New Hope.
Kurtz didn't have the balls to tell Kersh to pick up the pace (sort of yes man behavior people accuse McCallum off, yet that guy produced all the prequels on budget and on time), Lucas had to get back on set to speed it up and also had to ask Fox for more money which if the folks at Fox weren't retarded they could've used to get more control of the franchise.
So eventually Kurtz got fired, but later talked a lot of smack how the ending of this space fairytale should've been Luke disillusioned leaving everything like Muad'dib and walking off into the desert, Han dying, after they spent the first third of the movie saving his ass, and Leia a grieving widow struggling with the New Republic. It's the bleakest shit ever for edgy teenagers, luckily Lucas canned his ass.
Him being a shit producer continued cause Return to Oz also went over budget, and Lucas actually had to vouch with Disney that the movie will be completed.
Afterwards he was relegated to movies about talking cats and acting like he was the true creative force behind Star Wars.

>>212820661
Fun fact: The kid he's talking about here used the loophole of "It only counts as a rewatch if I do the whole thing in one sitting" and only watching it again in chunks to keep obsessing over Star Wars while "keeping his promise" to Guiness.

>>212821529
How do you know this?

>>212821325
Thank you.
>the ending of this space fairytale should've been Luke disillusioned leaving everything like Muad'dib and walking off into the desert, Han dying, after they spent the first third of the movie saving his ass

That would have been hilarious. Star Wars would have been remembered as one of the comedies of the 70s.

>>212822099
They actually found the guy in question a few years ago and interviewed him about his Alec Guiness encounter.

>>212821325
He was actually fired off of Return to Oz before filming even started, he only got an executive producer credit because his replacement (dude who produced the Police Academy series) felt bad for him.

He also produced Slipstream, a movie directed by Steven Lisberger dude who made Tron and originally written by Charles Edward Pouge (Cronenberg's The Fly and Dragonheart). It was oriinally meant to be Huck Finn in the future but Kurtz had it rewritten to make it a dark action movie, but then cut out most of the violence and a sex scene to make it PG-13 as it was getting too expensive. It bombed so hard that Lisberger never made another movie again.

>>212819586 (OP)
Its from a plinkett review and its partially true.

The yavin battle was originally 30 mins long and it was cut down to 10 mins.

Also originally the death star was just chilling in space when it was ambushed by rebels.

The whole "vader let them escape to lead them to the base" plot point was entirely fabricated in post production editing and voice overs. Its why there is that awkward pause after vaders "this shall be a day long remembered quote" the line wasnt delivered on set

>>212819671
George must be subverted, deconstructed, and critical theory’d

>>212823788
I don't think the Battle of Yavin was going to be that long, from what I've read the only major change was that Luke would make two attempts to destroy the Death Star; one with the targeting computer that fails and one without where he relies on the Force and succeeds. It was also to illustrate why the Death Star's weakness wasn't that protected, it was so minor that it was nearly impossible for the Rebels to properly exploit.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4woju

The first cut was pretty bad and showed how much work had to be done in every department to make it watchable. George Lucas course corrected and the editing team won an Oscar.

>>212819610
>>212819637
KEK

>>212824037
Yeah, but pretty much every movie is like that in the editing room, it's rare for a workprint like that to come off as good when sound effects and music aren't done, dialogue isn't looped, effects aren't finished, etc... Kubrick would probably have freaked the fuck out if a workprint of one of his movies ever slipped out, as he notoriously destroyed all footage of scenes.

It's also bullshit that Lucas' wife is getting the all the credit from Lucas haters and Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew are just totally ignored. Though the ass kissing towards Marcia Lucas did stop for the most part after she said the sequels were awful and that Rey sucked as a character.

>>212819586 (OP)
George, stop posting here, you're too old.

>>212819586 (OP)
I'm guessing because every time he is recorded behind the scenes, there is reasonable doubt. It's just that it was more prevalent in Eps 1-3. You catch that feeling of "omg this is not gonna work" in the original ones too.... its like poetry.... I think thats the only reason honestly. Lucas is a bit of a genius but genius types dont belong in every aspect of a production or nothing woudl get done. For example. Kubrick is a genius but his movies are bloated 3+ disasters

>>212822879
That's quite amusing. Good for him. Fuck Guinness.

>>212820242
Editing does make a difference.

Catwoman 2004 for instance suffers from too many fast cuts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCSePj7CVnA
>You can't really complain about the photography; it has good focus, composition, perspective and there's multiple angles, allowing the editor to create the necessary vibe. One could blame the director striving for a blurry mess but the editor could've at least offered an alternative and point out the insanity in the directors vision. The director Pitof was a visual effects-focused guy and likely convinced the editor Sylvie Landra the fast cuts was "in". The Bourne Identity and The Matrix and those millenia-action movies used fast cuts in action scenes to their advantage, as it made actors seem more competent at the martial arts. Speed is the name of the game I guess.

The Mothmans Prophecies 2002 on the other hand had a superb editing and made the film stand out for its visual aspects.
https://youtu.be/KsW5-qikDRo?feature=shared&t=575
>The transition at 10 min (610 seconds) is pure magic. It's obviously planned, the director having a solid screenplay but the rest of the movie has a really smooth editing. Mark Pellington, the director, had directed some music video, which was probably a key to focus on a nice competent editing synchronizing the audio with the visuals.

>>212823788
The opening boarding scene was also spliced with cut scenes of Luke and his buddy at home shooting the shit and gawking at the sky.

Also it wasn't Plinkett but some video essay that popped in everyone's feed 4 or 5 years ago

>>212819671
This.

>>212819610
Duck the dogshit reviews

>>212819586 (OP)
Every fucking rerelease and remaster Lucas did, to create the "original vision" he had for the films, was to just add a bunch of fucking nonsense scene clutter. The fucking singers at jabbas palace, the extended ewok dance, the list goes on. In the original films, as they were originally shown in theaters, there's still more than enough world building going on in the background, all of that other shit is unnecessary and was rightfully cut.

>>212825320
>The opening boarding scene was also spliced with cut scenes of Luke and his buddy at home shooting the shit and gawking at the sky.

Nta, but that cut made it into between up to possibly 24 theaters (and was shown once on TV) during the initial run with other theater goers seeing yet another version. It's flows better than you'd think, but that is not to say it's better than the "final cut."

>>212819586 (OP)
George was an indie filmmaker. Having George utterly blindside Hollywood has been something the Jews who run it have never gotten over. Star Wars was blindsided them and they've held a grudge over that ever since. This is why Kathleen Kennedy has never stepped down and why no amount of flops move the needle on Star Wars. The big corpos 'won' when they got the IP from George, simple as. Flopping and bring unable to profit from it is a distant 50th priority. They'd rather we don't have it and lose money on it.

>>212827433
She's angry that she showed her legs in The Temple of Doom.

>>212819586 (OP)
its an exaggerated myth based on the initial viewing, of an as of yet completed cut, screening was disliked by georges friends
this evolved into the "saved in the edit" cope about the movie being saved in the edit when in reality they watched an incomplete version where almost none of the special effects were done yet let alone inserted and hadnt fully been completely edited anyways
add onto his comments later about it not fully being his full vision and him making all those weird edits in the special editions has propped up this myth

>>212819586 (OP)

didn't somebody tell him "George, you've got to put an intro scroll to tell the audience what the fuck is going on"...one of his New Hollywood director buddies I think

>>212827777
This^

>>212827862
Probably Brian De Palma.

>>212820104
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqVGz6mOVE

>>212827679
And that they laughed at her when she went "Maybe Indy can get a dog instead of getting the girl at the end" during a story meeting

>>212828616
She sure showed them! What a mature adult she is.

>>212819586 (OP)
the sequence and length of scenes can drastically change the effect on the watcher

>>212820181
>People are dumb as fuck.
look at what you confessed to doing as proof

>>212829476
bump (Carrie Fisher's ghost)

>>212819586 (OP)
every movie is saved in the edit
"If you don't get physically ill seeing your first rough cut, something is wrong" - scorsese

>>212821325
Han should have died in ESB

>>212820521
That movie visually looks really good too even though it's not a good movie.

>>212827862
that seems unlikely given lucas' own love of film serials, the opening crawl was his idea