Why do you think Americans like this movie but the rest of the world dislike it or are apathetic?
>Bad action scenes.
>Forgettable dialogue.
>Forgettable, lifeless music.
>Feels like a live action cartoon made for preschoolers.
>Whiplash tone where nothing has weight or consequence.
>Way too much annoying Krypto stuff.
>Wants to be about serious topics without ever committing to any of them.
>Clark and Superman feel like exactly the same person.
>Some of the worst flying scenes in superhero film history.
>Awful wide angle lenses and obnoxious tracking shots.
>Good cast.

>>212840909 (OP)
It's a big therapy for upper-class liberals after losing the election and they can buy multiple tickets. It's not that different from TDK and its obvious Bush allegories, even if that movie tend toward conservaturism, but TDK was still an entertaining action thriller before falling apart in the last 20 minutes

>>212840909 (OP)
Superman is an American icon. America’s standing in the court of world opinion is in decline.
If it were any other superhero who is less Americana than him it would do better, even with all the stuff you listed

>>212841085
Its so funny that they're blaming trump for it's world failure when theyre flocking to jurrasic world with arguably the most American characters kek

>>212840909 (OP)
Cause a comic accurate superman looks lame as fuck, especially the underwear
Also his personality is considered too childish and naive
Only american growing up with comic would like that iconic image

>>212841085
The truth is the world never liked America, especially the third world for constantly overthrowing democratically elected governments and replace them with right-wing dictatorships. It's just that Americans made cool movies. Even soviets liked America propaganda. Now Americans make lame movies so the audience don't want to watch the movies.

>>212841124
How is Jurassic Park as an IP even remotely as Americana as Superman?

>>212840909 (OP)
Why do you think Americans like this movie but the rest of the world dislike it or are apathetic?
>Superhero fatigue
>Censorship
>Bad economy, nobody has extra money to go to the cinema

I've watched it and I genuinely enjoyed it as a non-american. This is 100x better than man of steel. You're just a salty snyder fanboy who's obsessed with granny's peach tea and can't get over the fact that the snyderverse is over.

>>212840975
>they're buying Superman tickets to own Trump
you are beyond saving, donate your brain to science to prevent future retardation

>>212841301
Nah im in asia and can confirm people doesnt care about new sups (still watch the dino movie)
Most growing up watching mos so they prefer that version

>>212840909 (OP)
Americans love their heckin doggos

its probably because americans love brack people

>>212841405
See all those reviews talking about hope. Also liberals never liked Israel and they felt off by Kamala openly supporting the Gaza genocide but there was no option because Trump is an open zionist

People who really vibe with Gunn's Superman wanted a humanist Superman. They wanted Superman decoupled from the mythological, divine aspects that define Donner and Snyder's take on the character, to turn him into an ordinary person.

International audiences prefer Superman as Jesus. They prefer the idea of an alien who has immense power and wants to help everyone, but struggles with the complexities of international policies and his place in the world.

You must remember that there's an entire generation of Americans raised on heavily sanitized cartoons where the bad guys always parachuted out of their exploding planes. This kind of movie appeals to them. International audiences don't have that conditioning.

You see the same split with Transformers. International audiences don't give a shit about "cartoon accurate" Transformers. They want to watch Michael Bay slam CG action figures together while Steve Jablonksy's score blares.

>>212841420
>im in asia
Bro, the Asian market props up the shittiest slop the American market produces. You're the reason Aquaman--literally regarded as a meme superhero by comic fans--somehow became DC's biggest hit. You have no taste. You consistently reward CGI-overexposed chromium Michael Bay schlock even when the storey is barely held together.
>still watch the dino movie
>Most growing up watching mos so they prefer that version
Yeah no shit, because they're both soulless action sloppa.

The only reason you think the dialogue in Superman is bad is because you're ESL and any nuance or subtlety blows right by you. You prefer the Sneeder hype and aura moments that just seem stupid to native speakers who understand context.

>>212841923
>They wanted Superman decoupled from the mythological, divine aspects
It's a fucking adaptation from a comic book.

>You must remember that there's an entire generation of Americans raised on heavily sanitized cartoons where the bad guys always parachuted out of their exploding planes. This kind of movie appeals to them. International audiences don't have that conditioning.
Oh fuck off, everyone's seen the gachaslop you fags spend billions of dollars gooning to.

>>212841975
>The only reason you think the dialogue in Superman is bad is because you're ESL and any nuance or subtlety blows right by you.
Different anon, but I'm a native Queen's English speaker and I thought the Gunn Superman script was bland as fuck. The characters are flat and uninteresting. Everything feels undercooked. There is so much awful expository dialogue. Snyder is a far more visual filmmaker. A lot of show, don't tell. This movie tells constantly and won't shut the fuck up.

>>212842049
Protip. Nobody gives a fuck about comic books. Richard Donner adapted Superman as a serious film for adults, and also families. He envisioned Superman as being Jesus Christ but in a less direct way. Later directors like Singer and Snyder continued in his footsteps. Superman is presented as Christ come to walk among us. That aspect is completely missing from Gunn's take.

>>212842105
>I thought the Gunn Superman script was bland as fuck
I was impressed that it was a tight script that used its time efficiently with at least 4 separate subplots going on while still finding the time to develop its characters and reinforce its themes.
>The characters are flat and uninteresting
Superman/Clark and Lois are very well characterized. Lex portrays a perfect Elon Musk/Peter Thiel/Charlie Kirk inspired version of an evil tech entrepreneur. Even the supporting cast has some fun moments like Mr. Terrific and Guy Gardner, and The Daily Planet crew is like an episode of Veep.
>Everything feels undercooked.
Doesn't mean anything.
>There is so much awful expository dialogue.
You're mistaking character development for exposition. All of the action driving the plot is clearly shown except for the Jor-El twist which no shit of course it's exposition but it's delivered in an interesting way with TV shows sort of acting as a Greek chorus.
>This movie tells constantly
I doubt you read or watch much drama. You seem to just deride all non-action scenes.

>>212841235
Do thirdies even know what "Americana" is?

>>212842409
>while still finding the time to develop its characters and reinforce its themes.
But it does neither of those things. It just avoids, sidesteps, or has Krypto tackle all of its core themes. It's a completely empty film thematically.
>Superman/Clark and Lois are very well characterized.
No, they're not. They tell us a lot of things, but never acutally show us. Clark isn't even a character in this film. He's indistinguishable from Superman.
>Lex portrays a perfect Elon Musk/Peter Thiel/Charlie Kirk inspired version of an evil tech entrepreneur.
Lex has a piss-weak core motivation that the film avoids having to actually elaborate on by having Krypto tackle him.
>You're mistaking character development for exposition.
The entire opening 10 minutes is characters doing the "As you know..." thing over and over. And it never stops.

>>212842145
>Nobody gives a fuck about comic books
If you're honestly draining money on a bunch of MCU/DCEU films despite having zero appreciation for the source material, that's unbelievably sad. Why waste your time on something when you have passion for the deeper context?
>serious film for adults
You fucks say this shit, and then watch shit like Jurassic Park Dominion, Fast X Furious, and Batman vs Superman. What's a mature, low-budget character drama you've actually watched? Moonlight? Manchester by the Sea? Anatomy of a Fall? Convince me you're not just a sophomoric action junkie.
>[Donner] envisioned Superman as being Jesus Christ but in a less direct way.
Yeah, Donner did a better job with that interpretation because he's not a hack who overplays his hand. It's not the only viable portrayal and in fact the original first-edition Superman was a Moses allegory. Gunn did something else that's reminiscent of the silver age comics and animated shows/movies that most of the American audience grew up with.
>'that's childish nostalgia'
Superman is the oldest and most iconic superhero. If there is ever a time to indulge in those themes and emotions it is with this character. If you count The Incredibles as a superhero movie, it has the same essence and it's easily one of the best superhero and animated movies ever made.

>>212841124

>>212842834
>If you count The Incredibles as a superhero movie, it has the same essence and it's easily one of the best superhero and animated movies ever made.
The Incredibles is Watchmen for kids. Good, but obviously not as good as Snyder's take.

>>212842898
i dont hate the guy but the good elements of Watchmen are not from Snyder

>>212842834
Source material has never been an important consideration for any film. Fuck the source material.
>Superman is the oldest and most iconic superhero. If there is ever a time to indulge in those themes and emotions it is with this character.
What themes? The new Superman is an utterly vapid, empty film with no heart, no emotional center, and the worst rendition of the Williams Superman theme I've heard in my life.

>>212842921
They absolutely are. If you gave it to another director you'd get a bland, forgettable film. Style is substance. The film's core appeal lies in its execution. Serial plagiarist Tyler Bates also does a huge amount of lifting with his incredible score.

Compare Snyder's Watchmen to the motion comic version, and it's not even close.

>>212842834
>It's not the only viable portrayal
While that's true, it's the more interesting portrayal. Gunn's version of Superman is a LOT like Richard Lester's and I don't care for that at all.
>What's a mature, low-budget character drama you've actually watched?
The Apostle, which is the sister film to Sling Blade. Amazing film. You should watch it.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117666/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118632/

It’s a flat out boycott going on overseas. The Flash did better in China and it was made by the exact same people that made Superman. So the excuse they didn’t like the “visuals” goes right out the window. Not even movies that bomb get stonewalled like this. Reports are China not even fully releasing the movie which looks accurate when you look at the numbers. If this movie came out last year under Biden no doubt things would’ve been different.

>>212840909 (OP)
Americans have been gaslit into thinking it’s good. With a different director and significantly less astroturfing this movie could easily have a bad rep. Gunn’s just at the point where he can do no wrong. Give it time.

>>212840909 (OP)
They saw that twitter post about how in "dark times" people want to see a good hero like Superman and set out to make that prediction true.
>omg we are le heckin resistance!

>>212841405
Bro, what about that claim is unrealistic to you? Democrats literally burned down their own cities and murdered their own neighbors just a couple of years ago to "own Trump". They're unhinged. They'll do some pretty wacky shit if they think it will "own Trump", and that has been proven for several years now.

A lot of the hype for this movie is basically the Star Wars Sequels all over again. It's pandering to an American audience upset about the trilogy of films made by the previous director they they felt took Star Wars/Superman in the wrong direction, and this is "Superman/Star Wars done right". That's why there's so much effuse praise for what is ultimately a "it's okay I guess" movie. It's not about the movie itself. It's about them feeling validated that they got what they wanted. In Star Wars' case the honeymoon period ended very quickly. We'll see what happens here.

>>212842810
>But it does neither of those things
>The entire opening 10 minutes is characters doing the "As you know..." thing
The whole interview between Lois and Superman is a brilliant dialogue between characters that establishes their relationship, their geekiness for journalism, Clark's naive idealism, and Lois's more grounded world views. You probably missed it because you never been in an adult relationship or read the news.
>has Krypto tackle all of its core themes
Are you really this butthurt that Krypto interrupted Lex's Patrick Bateman monologue? That shit would have been superfluous because the film has already, get this, SHOWN us Lex's inner thoughts. We fucking know what he's about to say.
>But it does neither of those things. It just avoids, sidesteps, or has Krypto tackle all of its core themes. It's a completely empty film thematically.
The theme is that no amount of intelligence or nuance can supersede good values. The theme is that it's better to be a boy scout than a badass. The theme is don't wield cynicism as a shield because you're too afraid of being seen as lame or cringe.
>Lex has a piss-weak core motivation
Lex has the same motivation the character has always had in almost all his portrayals. He hates Superman. Lex hates Superman because he thinks it's unfair that he's rendered 2nd best to a being with alien superbiology. He hates Superman because he projects his own vile character onto Superman and assumes he must be deceiving everyone about his good intentions.

I live in China for 6 months. Mainly guangzhou. They only remotely care about Iron man and somewhat Spiderman. I am being dead serious btw they fucking love Ironman and basically him alone.

>>212843288
Wasn't Aquaman randomly popular in China?

>>212840909 (OP)
Americans are the perfect slop eaters. They simply cannot leave the trough of bullshit Hollywood slings out.

>>212843036
I haven't even seen the Richard Lester movies. Gunn's Superman reminds me of All-Star Superman and the animated series. I guess he also took that Jor-El twist from Gods and Monsters but otherwise it's not very reminiscent.
>The Apostle, which is the sister film to Sling Blade.
Seems like a cool movie, but it's not supporting your case that you're open to non-Jesus-inspired Superman portrayals.

>>212843288
Can you blame them? Iron Man's suiting up scenes are pure sex, especially in 1 & 2.

>>212843311
Yea but not long lasting. I went to Hong Kong Disney a month ago because I was visiting inlaws there. They have 2 Ironman rides and a stage show for him. They have an Ant-man ride there too but no one goes on it.

Fast and Furious/Jurassic park are much MUCH bigger than any super slop. Iron-man being a weird exception and he's not even as popular as Gundam.
>>212843409
They also just like power armor and mech shit

>>212840975
>TDK was still an entertaining action thriller before falling apart in the last 20 minutes
The Dark Knight is just plain fucking bad anon. It's only held up by Heath's performance.

>>212843287
>The whole interview between Lois and Superman is a brilliant dialogue between characters that establishes their relationship, their geekiness for journalism, Clark's naive idealism, and Lois's more grounded world views.
The interview scene highlights the problem that Clark and Superman are exactly the same person. It's basically a bad version of what BvS did.
>We fucking know what he's about to say.
I would have liked to hear it. Superman's argument was bullshit, obviously. Glib, feel-good platitudes with no substance behind them. It would have been good to hear Lex critique his inane moral philosophies that he can only entertain because he lives in a world where major cities get evacuated in 10 minutes so that the giant rift doesn't hurt anyone.
>The theme is that no amount of intelligence or nuance can supersede good values.
Which feels immensely contrived. It doesn't do anything to back up that thesis. It just has it be true because the writers want it to be true. It's like watching an American cartoon made for kids. It's infantile.
>The theme is don't wield cynicism as a shield because you're too afraid of being seen as lame or cringe.
That's a good point, but it feels diluted by the fact that the film's world and its plot are so contrived. It's a film where Superman saves squirrels mid-battle. It has this deep lack of stakes. It's a film where there's a military invasion and nobody gets shot. It's a 5 year old's idea of what a serious movie is like. And them pam, pow, Superman saves the day. And everyone claps. The film suffers from a fundamental lack of sincerity, somethin that has plagued James Gunn's work as a director.

>>212842932
>Source material has never been an important consideration for any film. Fuck the source material.
This is stupid. Sure, you shouldn't be chained to the source material and refuse to change things. Every Stephen King adaptation has been improved by reigning in some of his more coked out delusions. But if you don't give a shit about the source material, why adapt it at all?
>What themes?
"The theme is that no amount of intelligence or nuance can supersede good values. The theme is that it's better to be a boy scout than a badass. The theme is don't wield cynicism as a shield because you're too afraid of being seen as lame or cringe."

>>212843405
Why do people say Gunn Superman is like the animated series? Animated series Superman is stoic as fuck.

>>212843495
>This is stupid. Sure, you shouldn't be chained to the source material and refuse to change things. Every Stephen King adaptation has been improved by reigning in some of his more coked out delusions. But if you don't give a shit about the source material, why adapt it at all?
Because you like some aspect of it. But the best King adaptations are the ones that completely ignore what he intended with the book.

>>212843469
>The interview scene highlights the problem that Clark and Superman are exactly the same person
You're autistic. There's actually no other explanation for this. They have an entire argument about their core ethical principles. Have did you miss that?
>It's basically a bad version of what BvS did.
Fuck, you got me. Good bait.

>>212843287
>>212843469
I fundamentally don't buy Clark and Lois in SuperGunn. The film repeatedly tells us they have chemistry and have been dating for months, but nothing about the film actually sells that. It's part of the film's wider issue of telling you things instead of showing you things. Lois is barely a character in the film.

>>212843498
I think it's better to compare him to the JL/JLU one.

>>212843498
No, Gunn’s is 100% Super Friends kino. Superman is a straight up goof ball

>>212843568
>They have an entire argument about their core ethical principles
The problem with that interview scene is that there is no switch between Clark and Superman during that interview. They're the same person. And a foundational aspect of Superman as a cinematic character is that Clark and Superman are different. This movie doesn't even try. Not sure what you mean by that second comment because this film's plot is copied from MoS and BvS. The whole military intervention thing is a toothless copy of Superman saving people and getting in trouble for it in BvS. He comes home and talks to Lois in the apartment and they argue over what happened. She is worried about the hearings that have just been announced. He argues that he did what he had to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aBBYzgTdnU
I find it a little strange to see a new Superman film that is straight up copying plot points beat for beat from the Snyder movies, and people act like it's some new, revolutionary thing. I'm not saying this copying is good or bad, but people are seriously arguing that it's novel to have Lois being a journalist. Then you realize it's because these people never watched the director's cut of BvS. They have no idea what they're talking about.

>>212843581
You’re just gay. When they censor a kissing scene because it’s too much for pervert jeets. that says a lot

>>212843498
Gunn Superman feels like a younger version of Animated series Superman. They both have the same boy scout demeanor and unwavering resolve, but Gunn's is a little more naive which helps drive the movie's conflict.

>>212843711
A film can have sex scenes but little meaningful chemistry. Don't get me wrong, I really like the cast in general. It's a deeper script issue where it skips and tells you that things are so.

>>212843684
Copy plot points? Superman stopped wars before in the comics. Did that shit all time in Golden Age. He just didn’t give a fuck

>>212843773
Do get mad when a movie starts off with a married couple or any couple in general because it didn’t show you how they become a couple? I don’t get this complaint at all.

>>212841085
I'll be honest I have no idea what it means to be an American. We're too global.

>>212843260
Accurate

>>212843684
Bro, that BvS scene is like the best defense of the Gunn scene you could have given. Who is directing Cavill to fake that ridiculous Clark Kent affect in an intimate moment with Lois? Why wouldn't he behave like his more natural self around her? Amy Adams is just pissed at Cavill Kent for no reason. In the Gunn version she's just doing the normal journalism thing and asking tough questions on behalf of the public's curiosity. Cavill and Adams have no chemistry at all and the scene feels comes off as really stilted relative to David Corenswet and Rachel Brosnahan who very convincingly pull off that early relationship vibe of two people that are into each other but not used to each other.

>>212844072
Adam’s wasn’t even mad what? She like Rachel is concerned about Superman’s optics, to which Cavill and Corenswet admit they don’t care. The difference being Cavill was legitimately framed.

>>212843215
they also murder their children to “own” the patriarchy

Finally saw it and thought it was really bad. Superman spends 90% of the movie getting his ass kicked while Lois, Mr. Terrific, Guy Gardner, Lex, and even the dog are all more interesting or entertaining.

The other major flaw was that nothing had a chance to stick. We move from crisis to crisis with none of them having a real shot to make an impact. The Israel/Palestine stuff was also too on the nose (heh)KHVD

>>212840909 (OP)
Another issue with the movie is that it jumps you right in the middle of everything. It works for American audiences since they know who Superman is but nobody else does

>>212844245
Nice copy pasta jeet.

>>212844287
Weak bait

>>212840909 (OP)
>Why do you think Americans like this movie but the rest of the world dislike it or are apathetic?
Because it's a bad movie.

All they had to do was let Snyder finish then reboot. Was it really that difficult? They also shafted Henry Cavil who a lot of world worlders like for some reason. DC is run by retards I mean they were going to give the universe to The Rock.

>>212840909 (OP)
American Society got destroyed by 13 years of Jewish social engineering through both Dems and Republicans.
Both sides are evil in different way for they are left and right hands of the Kike.

>>212844444
Checked.
This anon is right.

>>212844328
Atleast didn’t rip Iron Man off

>>212844444
>DC is run by retards I mean they were going to give the universe to The Rock
Gunn is no better. He’s a marvel merchant. The Rock at least understood the value of star power and Black Adam is looking to make more OS than Superman.

>>212841085
I don't particularly care for capeshit, but if I had to watch something Superman would undoubtedly be at the bottom of the list.
>flying man in tights who's like really strong and shoots lazors from eyes
It's a preschoolers idea of a superhero.

>>212844625
Yes

>>212844625
I agree Gunn is trash. DC has 0 good instincts. They placed their bits on the wrong people.

>>212843405
>Gunn's Superman reminds me of All-Star Superman
what? Did you actually read the comic, or watch the animation? There's nothing All-Star about Superman 2025

>>212844287
No. Its just a bad movie.

>>212844617
You know what it did rip off though?

>>212843469

>>212841923
That's a lot of words to say "they have no taste."

>>212845090
who is "they" here?

Superman as a character is about individual exceptionalism, the power of one. Pretty much everyone outside of North America is a spiritual slave in some form or another, whether it's the bug-like communism of the Asians or the monarchak underpinnings of the Euros. Only Americans truly understand Superman.

>>212845169
Superman 2025 is literal Marvel slop, so no, American don't understand Superman either

>>212844444
Black Adam made $400m it's entire theatrical run, get a grip.

>>212841085
>Superman is an American icon.
This desu, despite modern day faggoty writers, superman is quintessentially American.

>>212844287
It's a Superman movie. How much more do you have to know? >>212845194

>>212844790
Crazy the gunn movie cost 200million. Where did the money go?

>>212845233
inflation

>>212845194
It's the best Superman of the 21st century. Get better arguments. Start with my first post.

>>212845201
>$400m
no it did not.

>>212844790
>superman movies have superman in it
Shocking.

>>212841124
>Its so funny that they're blaming trump for it's world failure when theyre flocking to jurrasic world with arguably the most American characters kek

What? I don't think the quantity of American characters matter much. Just that one has American propaganda in his fucking slogan.
Outside of Captain America there probably isn't a character that isn't more "American" than Superman. He's the American ideal, or at least he was.
Jurrasic Park is about fucking dinosaurs on some random tropical island where half the characters are British,

Superman has never been popular here in northen yurop. Hes so basic

Batman and Spiderman were always the big ones

>>212841085
>>212845225
Bruh, Amerimutts are truly lost if a comic book character for kids is their 'icon'. Fucking lol'd.

Snyder assfucked the brand and kindness is at an all time low in the world. Repairing Superman back into what Superman really was (Reeves Superman) has begun, you just need to convince the masses of it. You can see the unchanged masses right here in this thread that are on the fence and just need to give it a chance.

>>212840909 (OP)
Hack snyder ruined the DC brand. Last time Superman was on screen, he was in a 3 absolutely dogshit movies. MARTHAAA, and cgi mustache ruined Superman's reputation. It will take some persistant quality of movies to people to go to the cinemas for a DC movie.

>>212841153
What annoys me most about the childishness and naivety, is that by nature of including the Superman robots in the movie, it implies that he has the same genius intellect as other iterations of the character, who canonically designed and built the sentient machines. He's too young, careless, and petulant to believe he could have achieved that feat.

>>212844072
>Who is directing Cavill to fake that ridiculous Clark Kent affect in an intimate moment with Lois? Why wouldn't he behave like his more natural self around her?
Because Clark Kent is his natural self. It's his human self.

>>212841923
Nailed it

>>212841420
I'm in Japan and I just saw it in an absolutely packed theater full of Japanese people. Comments I could overhear were praise

>"Wow golly, thanks for saving my kitty, mister" says little Susan as Murderman returns her cat Rosy to her, who was stuck in a tree
>Murderman glares coldly at Susan
>"We have an issue with pet overpopulation, you should euthanize the cat" he says
>"P-pardon, mister??"
>"I can do it myself" Murderman says as his eyes turn red
>"Hold still now, I'd rather burn off one of your arms than both of them"
later that evening
>"I'm keeping my eye on you, Lex. Oh whoops, how clumsy. I just dropped this files, of when we raided Brainiac's archives last year and got information on his alien scientific experiments. Genetically engineered monsters"
>"...Okay" says Lex
>"Boy Lex, it would sure be a shame if you looked over these files and learned from them with your photographic memory to then replicate the results and unleash one of these alien abominations on a city. They'd kill so many people and the collateral damage I'd cause in stopping them would be huge! A couple of skyscrapers, maybe several. Thousands dead!"
>"..."
>"BUT good thing I'm not gonna let you read the file! I'm taking it with me... after I take a fly around the city. Peaceful night sky. I'll be back in one hour. DON'T read that file now, Lex!"

>>212840909 (OP)
I really hope this signals the rest of the world is done with capeshit, but I have a feeling this is a Superman specific situation and the next Avengers is still doing over a billion.

>>212843109
>>212843260
Yep. The parallels to Star Wars and Transformers are eerie.

>>212848746
Mostly because of the whole dceu fiasco

>>212848746
Doomsday will go over one billion but fall very short of Infinity War. Really, they may as wel have Evans return at the real Cap because they established they can 'push time through a person' so can deage or age a person. Or Dr. Strange magic.

>>212846257
Intelligence isn't wisdom.

>>212848772
Snydersimps say insane shit like it was going absolutely fine until the Joss JL, shit like how the BATMAN AND SUPERMAN movie making less than a billion was not an underperformance even though common fucking sense would tell anyone such a movie should, by all rights, make over a billion. It got mogged by Joker for fuck's sake. The bad reviews and, yes, the bad word of mouth hurt the movie

>>212841169
Wrong
America was the coolest place in the world. Other countries saw it as a glimpse of the future
t. yuropoor