Chung is right
Lore Dumps and World Building is a waste of time for the audience
They belong in RPGs not movies

literally who is this and why should i care

>>212848873 (OP)
>place these desires at odds

so, the characters and the viewer are oppositional? what's good for the viewer is bad for the characters? what's good for the characters is bad for the viewer?

flimsy take.

He's totally correct.

>>212848873 (OP)
>lore and backstory are a waste of time
What does he base this on? A quick look at the most popular genre fiction movies shows they're all lore heavy with tons of backstory, furthermore lore and backstory is your marketing tool and gets you merchandising options.

>>212848902
Yall triggered AF

>>212848873 (OP)
Sounds like someone who lacks an answer for the riddle of steel.

Lore is just the movie version of "Remember when", the lowest form of conversation.

You don't hate lore. You hate lore incorporated badly

>>212849018
Conan is a good example, there's tons of lore behind the character but the film ignores it and that makes it better. What are we told of Thulsa Doom, beyond "he came from some other place and now he founded a cult"? Nothing, and that's perfect. There are no maps shown, no useless expisition.

>>212849081
yeah well, those of us who are capable of fitting more than 2 sentences worth of information in our brains at any given time, appreciate worldbuilding.

>>212849070
This is true but in most instances it’s important for the character to understand the world/lore but it’s not necessary for the audience

>>212848873 (OP)
>Today's movies waste all their effort on worldbuilding.
Name 5.

>>212849123
That's what I meant

>>212849156
Furiosa
Ski patrol
Police academy 3
Twisted pair
Deliverance

>>212848873 (OP)
This is more of an issue with “premium” streaming series that need to stretch out a single storyline for a season (if not longer) so they can waste time with garbage audiences don’t need to know about

>>212849222
>Tonight's episode of Surf Dracula: The Lycan Coven elects a new Witch Queen to lead their rites, and their battle against the Vampires of New Transylvania Cove. Including a 10 minute furry lesbian sex scene. Meanwhile, Dracula learns the true meaning of surfing in a continuation of a monologue by a strong woman of color.

>>212848930
What Chung is saying is worldbuilding and lore dump should never be at the expense of the characters. Game of Thrones TV did a great job of giving us world building plus a rich lore without sacrificing the characters. For example if Game of Thrones was remade on Netflix we would get 7 episodes on the history of Westeros and Dragon rearing followed by 1 episode featuring Jon Snow and Daenerys. The at odds part should be an audience member loving Westerosi lore and cool dragons, but the character's human interest story is what has me glued to the seat. Chung is right.

>>212848873 (OP)
>Fictional events do not affect the viewer
He immediately fails.
The conceit of movies, tv shows, novels, games and any kind of fiction is inherently to make these imaginary concepts emotionally affect the viewer.
If they didn't affect the viewer, nobody would be made happy or excited or sad when watching a movie. They would feel nothing and thus never watch them again and then people would stop making movies because if they don't affect people there's no purpose for them.

>>212849517
>Fictional events do not affect the viewer
He is right in the context of characters. His entire piece is about characters being sacrificed over world building and lore dumps.
>They would feel nothing and thus never watch them again
This explains the diminishing returns of the new Godzilla movies. Then came Minus One. Minus One the characters came first and foremost.

>>212848873 (OP)
>films should be about characters not world building.
Why not both?

>>212849338
sure this sucks but i think surf dracula will finally surf in the next episode so I'll be sticking around

>>212849643
because the "world" only impacts the characters not the viewer

>>212849609
He is not right in the context of characters, he is wrong.
If fictional events and worldbuilding warp around a fictional character to suit them, it makes the character seem unreal, it makes the character seem like the story doesn't affect them, it makes it seem like there are no stakes for the character.
Viewers don't care about characters like these. They call them 'Mary Sues' etc and they're derided.

There's no small part that he's right about, he doesn't "have a point" He's just wrong.

>yeah well, those of us who are capable of fitting more than 2 sentences worth of information in our brains at any given time, appreciate worldbuilding.

>>212849681

>>212849643
A limited amount of time for a movie to do that

>>212848873 (OP)
>Lore Fags getting mad
Based Chung dabbing on nerds