I really don't get why people didn't like Man of Steel. I'm not a Snyderbro or anything, but I really love this version. It might be my favorite Superman movie.

People say Superman seems emotionless and he's mean and grumpy but I don't see that at all. I think he's kind and caring just like Clark should be. I also really love how this seems like a more realistic take, like this is probably how things would actually be in a world where superheroes exist. It wouldn't be so campy, it would be a bit more grounded and gritty, like when we see the amount of destruction caused by Zod.

>>212893329 (OP)
>I really don't get why people didn't like Man of Steel

Zodd was the main character and Superman only had like 19 lines in his own movie. Narratively, it's shit. But hey, muh heckin' rock the dragon fighting was pretty metal, amirite fellow bros?

>>212893329 (OP)
>I also really love how this seems like a more realistic take, like this is probably how things would actually be in a world where superheroes exist.
That's the problem, capeshit fans don't want realistic superheroes, they want MCU slop filled with quips and bad CGI

>>212893329 (OP)

>>212893329 (OP)
>capeslop
grow up

No Snyder film can be discussed earnestly anymore.
Personally I think the film is alright. It suffers from being 2 separate films stitched together though. The first film is an emotional arthouse-lite film about finding your place in the world. The second is tonally completely different and a huge action blockbuster with weird pacing and an underdeveloped romance.

>>212893329 (OP)
I recently made a thread about this too >>212737061
I liked it too, from what I gather it mostly gets shit because of BvS/JL, and there's also a camp of people who think "THIS IS EDGY!!!" because Zodd is killed and suddenly Cavill is a killerman.
I liked the movie, though I'd say great as a blockbuster, not as good in everything else. It's a bit generic, disjointed, and ultimately the plot is a bit forgettable despite best efforts. The action and spectacle makes it worthwhile

this movie sucks shit

>>212893329 (OP)
This movie is epic

>>212893329 (OP)
The are too many problems with that movie

-too complex and "mature" for its intended audience
-too many dumb and tryhard scenes; (stop invincible my son!
-Zod is portrayed as genocidal inhuman monster yet at the same time superman is portrayed as bad for killing him

>>212893329 (OP)
Because it's unrealistic to believe Superman is the only metahuman on earth and that's exactly what that simple minded movie portrayed.

I actually didn't like Corenswet in this movie, but I bought tickets to see it again just because of mr Terrific was awesome.

>Superman literally tackles Zod in anger and takes him away from farmland and into Smallville. Smallville becoming a warzone is because of Clark. The movie never has Clark feel any remorse over this, noboy giving him any shit, none of him actually feel the weight of fucking up and how he has so much to learn
>his total nonreaction to what is 9/11 on steroids. Mass destruction and thousands dead and he's so cavalier when at ground zero and proceeds to give Zod, the architect, of this mass murder and destruction this weird puppy dog look when he realises he's still present on Earth
These two things really pissed me off about this movie. Also, I found the action really, really, really boring.

>>212893329 (OP)
>I also really love how this seems like a more realistic take
That group of people you speak of isn't interested in that. They want a live action version of the cartoons from their childhood. And they'll throw whatever they can think of at the wall to make it happen. That's why, even though there are similar MoS-issues in this new movie, it's suddenly all quiet and "yeah, i guess Gunn has a point". They're coming for Batman next by the way.

>>212893558
The hate it gets comes from the shitty later films, however it was always a 5/10 film at best. It does a poor job establishing Superman's character (and even worse at establishing the DCEU) and his motivations and none of the dramatic shit at the end was earned at all. Great visuals, but an empty movie both in terms of story and theming.

>>212893329 (OP)
STOP! My invincible son..

>>212893656
>stop my invincible son

All of you are collectively retarded if you don't get this character and scene.

>>212893422
what's wrong with this?

>>212893711
Man of Steel isn't realistic at all, it's a live action version of Dragon Ball Z. If Dragon Ball Z was for incels, that is.

>>212893767
Another dumb ass filtered by a simple scene.

>>212893788
I understand his character and his idea.

But fuck, that was a terrible execution and a comically bad scene, having Pa Kent dying of heart attack would had been better.

>>212893329 (OP)
Not enough quips and dance offs probably.

>>212893861
Comically bad how? There was no bullet time!!!! So how was it a comically bad scene?

>>212893329 (OP)
>>212893422
A cut with all scenes with Pa Kent removed would be great. His actions are complete nonsense, the movie acts like he's teaching Clark valuable lessons but doesn't seem like that, seems like he was full of shit and all he did was hold back Clark's good nature until Clark met his real dad that told him to go save the world.
He wouldn't be missed narratively, in fact the movie would be more coherent without him.

>>212893819
Meanwhile the new superman has Kaijus, robots, meme fake countries and monkeys with typewriters

Nice live action anime you got there gunntroon

>>212893910
Another filtered smooth brained Mong!

>>212893910
Costner was also such an impersonal miserable unlikable ass that Pa being conflicted over Clark saving the bus went down like a lead balloon vs. seeing a personable and deeply compassionate man actually dither for a moment before correcting himself.

>>212893935
>Kaijus, robots, meme fake countries and monkeys with typewriters
Cause it's based on comic books lol

>>212893329 (OP)
>I want a REALISTIC take on the guy who wears a big S on his chest and his undies outside his pants that flies really fast and punches really hard

and this is why anime has completely mogged western comics over the past 10 years. people are so tired of failed film school fags trying corny yet sincere premises and turning them into mature but ironic slop.

>>212893935
But I don't want a realistic take on superheroes, that's you. Superheroes are cartoons. They're for children. You need to grow up.

>>212893656
>yet at the same time superman is portrayed as bad for killing him (zod)
That wasn't portrayed as bad in the movie. People cried irl about it because superman can't ever ever kill but in the movie, Clark is visibly shaken after killing Zod but that's an understandable reaction for a very good guy who was forced to kill someone for the first time. At no point in the movie anyone acts like he did something bad.

>>212893746
I kind of agree it's not THAT good at being a Superman story. But first, no one bat an eye when Nolan did it. Second, everyone is suddenly a comic book expert when discussing Snyder vs Gunn.
I mostly agree with your other points though. Maybe a sequel should have done all that

>>212894014
A real director should be able to distinguish and sort the diamonds from the bullshit.

Snyder did it, but Gunn is just some talentless hack that obviously can't tell the difference

>>212894081
Yea I don't like Snyderverse much but I guess Nolan never got much shit for Bruce intending to flake on being Batman for RAAACCHHHEEEEELLL!!!!!! because the surrounding film was good, and I think the Zod kill was the straw that broke the camel's back for most people because the surrounding movie isn't that good/inconsistent

>>212894064
Nothing will ever match up to your cartoons and the feelings they elicited. They're still there for you to rewatch though.

>>212894081
>Maybe a sequel should have done that

Man of Steel should have been broken up into two movies, one that focuses on Superman, and one that focuses on Zod coming to Earth and invading. There isn't anything wrong with any of the stuff that's in the movie, tone-wise, there just isn't enough there to explain these characters and why we should care about anything happening. But I get it, they wanted to hurry the fuck up in order to get to that precious Avengers money.

>>212894014
And comics are the lowest IQ medium when it comes to storytelling, there's a metric shit ton that needs to be cut from it for it to be bearable to anyone over the age of 4.

Audiences weren't ready for comic book characters to be real human characters. The character dynamics in MoS are written as if it was a drama or a thriller rather than a cape movie, and people couldn't and can't process it.

>>212894074
>People cried irl about it because superman can't ever ever kill but in the movie
Where are the people crying about the new supersoi killing ultraman now

Again, capeshit fans are just butthurt manchildren that want nothing but bad quips

>>212893422
>Kill them all, my invincible son

>>212894153
You shouldn't watch cartoons at all. You're an adult now.

>>212894138
I understand you're indian and so 1000s of people getting crushed to death is just a monthly occurrence but here in america nobody would call clark deliberately thrownig someone through populated building a good superman story

>>212893656
>yet at the same time superman is portrayed as bad for killing him
No he isn't. Where are you picking that up?

>>212894191
Actually an anon a few days ago came up with something that would have helped the movie for me a lot - in between returning to Kansas and Zod coming, Clark actually gets to live a few months as Superman doing normal ass Superman shit in Metropolis the way Spider-Man did before Goblin showed up. I'm sure this will trigger stuff like THAT UNDERMINES SNYDER WANTING IT TO BE A FIRST CONTACT MOVIE blah blah but for me personally I think it would have gone a long way to helping the pacing. Letting the movie breath a bit

>>212894152
I just can't take Zodd complainers seriously.
>Zodd quite literally says, "either I die or continue killing people"
>Cavill breaks down after killing him
>"oh no no he's a killerman :("
It's like people are desperate to hate this movie

>>212893656
>too complex and "mature" for its intended audience
xD

>>212894229
Watching superhero movies at all as an adult makes you a manchild.

>>212894328
Anon was like "how can I demonstrate that I'm mature?" and this is what he went with

>>212894209
>real human characters
Clark has a total nonreaction to seeing Metropolis at the end or any anger directed at Zod for his crimes. Realistic and human my ass, a real person would be fucking phased by what downtown Metropolis was turned into, especially a guy that the move keeps telling us is compassionate as fuck. If the movie was so adult and concerned with consequence he'd also feel guilt over Smallville being his fault and the very happy go lucky ending at the Planet would be totally inappropriate considering what that city suffered (i.e. it makes 9/11 look like a car crash in comparison)

Say what you will but when you compare something like the Man of Steel Jor-El teaser trailer to a Superman trailer it's like holy shit. You can see why Superman's a dud everywhere people didn't grow up with those precious cartoons.

>>212894280
Like I wrote, it's a straw that broke the camel's back for people because of how everything around it was executed so poorly. In concept, it's a good idea.

>>212893329 (OP)
The Pa Kent death and Zod necksnap are weirdly executed scenes, but I think people fixate on them too much. The ideas aren't as sacrilegious as they're made out to be, and few bad scenes never sunk a movie especially when they're bad in a funny way.

For me it's mostly that Man of Steel REALLY wants to be a scifi thriller and at a lot of points it feels more like you're watching Avatar, Mass Effect, or War of the Worlds. They focus so hard on the Krypton alien stuff and that's just not where the heart of the character is. It's also very weird to have a story that introduces Clark to his lost alien ancestry and then immediately subvert that with a Zod reveal. Doesn't really feel like Krypton went anywhere.

And it's not even a good alien movie. The set/costume design is pretty great, kudos to those teams, but the story is bog standard scifi blockbuster with a lot of weird decisions like making a big deal about Kal-El being a natural birth and Jor-El's hologram being so lifelike it's like the character never even died. And because it's a superhero flick, the main alien attack force is a handful of regular ass people with superpowers so they don't feel othewordly like their technology suggests.

>>212894019
>and this is why anime has completely mogged western comics over the past 10 years. people are so tired of failed film school fags trying corny yet sincere premises and turning them into mature but ironic slop
Anime is the poster boy of being hilariously edgy and grimdark about fundamentally corny premises. I think it's the other way around. People who want

>>212894280
>It's like people are desperate to hate this movie
What fans wanted
>Avengers: A Superman Story
What they got
>Man of Steel
The current garbage is what "fans" wanted all this time
>cartoonish plot about how Dumbrovia wants to invade Browntonia and only superman can stop them

>>212894229
>Where are the people crying about the new supersoi killing ultraman
You know, that's the one thing I liked about Snyder's Superman
An absolute no kill rule just doesn't work. At some point the hero faces a villain that just can't be restrained. Zod/Ultraman wouldn't stop unless they're dead. Man of Steel handled that straight. Superman HAD to kill Zod to stop him, he didn't want to, but there was no other way

Most of the time this happens, like in the new movie, they have a deus ex machina to spare the character (or actually, the writer) from having to make an difficult decision. In this new movie, Superman doesn't reeaaally kill Ultraman, it was just a train that fell on him throwing him into a black hole technically making it so that Superman didn't break his rule.

>>212894384
You are so mad about the Smallville fight. They were threatening his mother, of course he didn't step back and do a cool rational tactical analysis.

>>212894493
>The Pa Kent death and Zod necksnap are weirdly executed scenes, but I think people fixate on them too much.

Yep. The necksnap isn't bad in and of itself if the movie that proceeded it wasn't so bad. Taking issue with Superman killing is just "not muh" autism. You can have Superman kill, just have him do it in a competently made movie.

>>212894499
Because nothing about Superman screams cartoonish. How evil those audiences were, disliking the dissonance between Superman the decades-long cultural icon and MoS.

>>212894081
>But first, no one bat an eye when Nolan did it.
1) Nolan is a better director.
2) Batman and Superman are about as polar opposite as superheroes get. Edgy grimdark fits Batman not Superman.

>>212894544
How dense are you? The point is that Clark never feels any guilt or remorse over endangering lives. Him fucking up big time by bringing the fight to Smallville and having to DEAL with that as bad of character growth is an idea I like, actually. But they wanted spectacle without logically dealing with the implications should be for Clark's character

>>212894501
>they have a deus ex machina to spare the character (or actually, the writer) from having to make an difficult decision
Batman Begins was the worse offender
>Sorry mister Ras Al Ghoul but it looks like this is the end of the line... FOR YOU!! K thanx bye! lol!

>>212893329 (OP)
>STAY DOWN! IF I WANTED IT YOU'D BE DEAD ALREADY. CONSIDER THIS MERCY.

>>212894620
Go take a valium and come back and we'll talk about it.

>>212894620
>The point is that Clark never feels any guilt or remorse over endangering lives.
Why should he care? He doesn't know those people, they're nothing to him.

>>212893329 (OP)
it was boring

>>212894631
Why is he a sociopathic mass murderer

>>212894493
>Anime is the poster boy of being hilariously edgy and grimdark about fundamentally corny premises.
because they unironically think that stuff is cool, which is different from being embarassed you have to make a comic book movie instead of a gritty crime drama and sucking as much comic book out of the story as the suits will allow but keeps the man wearing his pyjamas flying super fast (only he never smiles while doing it)

>>212894650
Obvious you are now shitposting and simply trying to get reactions.

People want to see firefighters rescue kittens from trees. They don't want to see the superheroes portrayed as gods like Snyder does.
Its a low iq trait. Cheap entertainment. Feel good movie. Spielberg mastered that feel good shit and made a career of appealing to the normie. Im not saying hes a bad director, hes one of the greats but the easy way to get audiences to like your movie is feel good shit. Its the chicken noodle soup for the soul of movies.

>>212894574
My point exactly, hiring Snyder was a mistake, he and his vision was clearly too high iq for the retarded plebians capeshitters fans

They wanted live action anime and finally got their live action anime with pedogunn

>>212894631
>Mister, can you save my kitty Rosy from the tree?
Murderman lasers the entire tree
>ROSY IS DEAD. BURY IT. CONSIDER THIS MERCY FOR WASTING MY TIME, SUSAN.

>>212894671
because that is not your shitty 90s Saturday morning cartoon

>>212894715
I would say Snyder had good concepts but the execution was god fucking awful, and a god fucking awful execution will sour whatever good on paper ideas there were.

>>212894630
Nah, Batman Begins wasn't a deus ex machina
Batman could probably have taken Ra's Al Ghul alive, but deliberately decided to let him die.
It would've been bad if Batman wanted to save Ra's Al Ghul and he died anyway

>>212894686
No, I just don't feel that you're in the right state of mind to have a rational conversation about this. I think you'd spend the whole thread assuming I was wrong and trying to find ways to prove it rather than frankly comparing the merits of our arguments, because you are addicted to your rage.

>>212894671
>It's Murderman, run for your lives!

>>212894702
moral dillemmas are more interesting than powerlevel competitions.

>>212894762
Then why is he wearing pyjamas with his name sewed on them like a child if its not aimed at children?

A lot of the shit Snyder fans say reminds me of Kevin Smith's "D-dude, it's Superman" reaction to the shit John Peters would say to him

>>212894671
He's Kryptonian. Not human. He's a superior being and humans are like cockroaches to him. How many bugs have you killed in your life?

>>212893329 (OP)
>Stop my invincible son. Do not move at 3x human speed and save me.
It's not like there is a historically large tornado nearby and people are
confusing, to even believe what they may see.
>yes let me die in peace just because i saved that dumb old dog.

>>212894814
You mean hope? It says hope.

>>212894797
Shitposter with weak bait. It's fine, if you are being sincere anyone can read our exchange before the valium post and see you missed my point entirely and coped with 'take ur meds' when you got BTFO in reply

>>212894800
>NOOOO THIS IS TOOO LE HECKING DARK!! SUPERMAN SHOULD BE A HECKING WHOLESOME CHUNGUS LIKE MAH HECKING FUNKO POPS!!! NOOOOOO SAVE MEEE PEDO GUNN!!!!!!!!

>>212894913
You're getting emotional over a fictional character for teenagers.

>>212894800
>"Hey that guy stole my phone! Someone stop him--"
>the victim of the petty theft is cut off by a scream of terror; Murderman is surveying the scene, he begins screaming in rage and divebombing towards the fleeing phone thief
>the crowd disperses whilst screaming in terror
>Superman divebombs into the thief and reduces him to red paste but the shockwave kills everyone around him
>234 dead, non-fatal injuries still counting

>>212894951
I'm not the one crying because Superman killed some genocidal alien demon that wanted to kill all humans

>>212894835
I can't have a conversation with a cockroach the way Clark or even Zod can with a human lol

>>212894138
braindead take, you, yes YOU are the person propagating "don't read source material" behavior

please do us a favor and k.y.s.

>>212894989
>Here's your phone
>throws burnt plastic bits at you
>You're welcome

>>212894989
>Murderman tastes his coffee; too bitter
>marches back into cafe and up to the 16 year old part time worker
>tears the arm that handed him the coffee clean off
>over his screams of agony and the patrons shouting in horror, he declares THE BARISTAMAN IS DEAD. BURY IT. CONSIDER THIS MERCY
>he leaves by flying through the wall - a stray brick collides with a man's head and kills him

>All the replies complying about Pa Kent
>Meanwhile the new super doesn't even has a Pa Kent, or maybe it does but like the whole movie is totally forgettable
Also the new canon is that superman got sent to earth to rape women, I see gunn is going for the jeet audience

>>212895092
He really does look peak villain here.

>>212894847
>BRAVE BOY FROM KANSAS SAVES HIS DAD FROM TORNADO
>Teenager Clark Kent reportedly ran pretty fast into an oncoming tornado to grab his dad who had injured his leg, and carried him to the overpass mere seconds before the tornado blew their car away. Witnesses say Clark Kent ran pretty fast, like an olympic athlete
Next day people would be outside his house with torches and pitchforks demanding his executon

>>212895025
How does Zod even speak English? Only Clark should speak English since he was raised by humans. Since Clark is a superior being that's basically like being raised by animals.

>>212895138
NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU FUCKING CHOOOOD THIS IS HOW HE LOOKS FROM BATMAN'S PERSPECTIVE YOUU STUPID SIMIAN APE!!!!!

>>212894989
I really wish there was a parody character like this lol

>>212895138
I know it's not his fault but Cavill's balding doesn't held. That slick sidepart with a prominent widow's peak is such a villain look

>>212894762
Taking a children's thing and making it edgy as a way of coping with your insecurity for still enjoying children's thing as an adult is more pathetic than just enjoying children's thing.

>>212893368
How many lines did the Abrahamic god have during mankind whole existence?
God doesnt talk much anon, this is well known.

>>212895237
Like he's all powerful but an overly emotional dumbass so his attempts to help = mass death?

>>212895289
>God doesn't talk much

Fictional characters don't talk at all, anon. Unless you're insane. *tips fedora*

>>212894255
>Look at me!
>Me am anon.
>Me big faggot!

>>212895289
>God doesnt talk much anon, this is well known.
Doesn't make for a very endearing main protagonist though, so you can hardly blame the audiences from rejecting him lol

>>212895341
>iphone filename
Of course it's the millennial manchild

>>212895287
Children like edgy things retard, that's why they are children.

All the hate that MoS got was from manchildren that got mad because they expected a wholesome chungus cartoonish superman and instead got a more realistic take

>>212893329 (OP)
Unless you’re a really hardcore superfag dork that has a very specific idea about who Superman should be the movie is at worst okay.

>>212895402
>instead got a more realistic take
Why the fuck would SUPERMAN be realistic?

>>212895402
>Children like edgy things retard, that's why they are children.

Then we agree. Only a child would want to take children's thing and make it edgy. Man of Steel is still for children, no matter how many bad words and boobies you put into it.

>>212895450
>Why would a LIVE ACTION movie be realistic

>>212894809
If showing superhero save a nameless npc character is the best way to show a moral dilemma I'll take my DBZ Snyder powerlevel competition. Fights are kino.
The issue isnt the theme. It's the way they present it. Marvel mastered it and the normies eat it up every single time.
>that building is empty
>civilians are safe
>I saved the little girl
I cant stand it but I know the mainstream audience goes to see that.

>>212895287
100% correct. I think it's weird if someone only ever watch children's media, but I think it's equally weird to avoid it.

>>212895450
Even the realism claims don't work. Realistically, Clark would be fucking horrified at seeing Metropolis at the end and angry as all fuck when Zod reveals himself as having not been pulled back into the PZ, but nope lol. Realistically, Metropolis as the end should not be so happy go fucking lucky, they should actually convey this is a traumatised and changed city the same way NYC was in the aftermath of 9/11 which was a fucking car crash in comparison to what Zod and co. did.

I liked MoS but hated all of the other DCEU including BvS

>>212895450
I read >>212895518 and actually burst out laughing. Genuine case of lol

>>212895549
Maybe people wouldn't avoid it if kid media wasn't absolutely retarded.
Superhero movies are just awful.
The writing is bad, the action scenes are bad and they somehow have the worst CGI on the industry.

>>212894631
>Luthor kidnap Superman's mom
>He still manages to control himself and not instant murder Luthor on the spot
>This is somehow bad

>nu-luthor kidnap the pest dog of nu-superman
>AAAAAAAAAAAAA MAAAH DOG WHERE IS MAAAH DOG!! WHERE IS MAH PUPPER!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
>this is somehow good
lol
lmao even

>>212895488
Kids like it and the manchildren seethe over it, sounds great

>>212895650
He's clowning on Superman's 1990's esque edgy one liners in BvS retard

>>212893329 (OP)
Murderman had to learn the hard lessons as a kid.

>>212895628
Maybe instead of complaining about how kid media doesn't appeal to you anymore you should try watching non-kid media. Maybe the media isn't bad, maybe it's your inner adult trying to get escape your manchild mindset. Even extreme autism can only stunt you so long before you grow up. At least a little bit.

>>212895720
I do, the question is why are there so many adults slurping this up.

>>212895709
Zack words thing in unfortunate ways lol - like the wording makes it sound like John decided one day to kill the dog for the sake of a lesson vs. what I am sure they actually intended of the dog being put down for being ill

>>212895542
>Marvel mastered it and the normies eat it up every single time
I remember that
>The Battle of New York
>Massive battle between the Avengers and the invading Aliens that leveled several blocks and buildings
>23 Dead, and 6 injuries.

>>212895720
>Maybe the media isn't bad
It is bad, you millennials will never convince anyone that capeshit isn't the bottom of the barrel of the industry.

>>212895786
Who cares, it's for children. Stop watching the shit. Stop giving it attention. Watch adult things.

>>212895767
lmao stop putting words in this visionary's mouth
I think that psychopath Jo really did kill the dog to teach clark a lesson

>>212895844
So how do we deal with all the western manchildren in this board spamming it?

>>212895720
>kid media
>"MY INVENCIBLE SON, YOU MUST TO EARTH TO RAPE WOMEN! RAPE THEM ALL CLARK!"

>>212895880
Ignore it like an adult.

>>212895844
>Watch adult things.
Agree, he should watch mature adult things like Games of Thrones and Avatar 2

>>212895902
>ignore the board getting shat on for the 50th time by American millennials
Why not just go to Reddit?

>>212895947

>>212893329 (OP)
I just fast forward it until zod shows up
all the flashback stuff is shit
Kevin cosner is shit

>>212895979
>just keep hiding 70% of the board every 3 months
How about you superhero manchildren stick to the official millennial website that Reddit is?

>>212895935
That's fine as long as we don't have to listen to him bitch about them. You can watch all the childish bullshit you want, but whining about them not being "adult" enough for you is ridiculous.

>>212893329 (OP)
Those were the days when Superman was just a good man trying to do good things in a human world, now he's just a another political tool for LE CURRENT THING, another liberal mouthpiece to spread shit

>>212896039
Or you could be an adult and ignore it and stop crying like little pussy faggot. You little pussy faggot.

>>212894019
>corny yet sincere premises
Sincere doesn't matter if what you are telling is a shit story

>>212896039
Reddit superhero millennial manchild here. How about no? What now? What are you gonna do? I'll post capekino till the day I die, which is gonna be a good few decades from now AT THE VERY LEAST.

>>212896080
Aren't you millennials literally fighting amongst yourselves over two Superman flicks like kids fighting over consoles?
You are shitting up the board over two terrible movies for kids.

>>212893329 (OP)
>I'm not a Snyderbro
You jeets are incapable of doing the simplest false flag shit.

Man of murder sucks, sneeder sucks and you cultists need to commit that mass suicide shit every cult do at some point.

>>212896121
Maybe. But you could always ignore us, you little pussy faggot. But you can't. Because you're a fucking child.

>>212893329 (OP)
The only dumb scene was stop my invincible son But even that created a lot of discussion. But obviously the people defending it are wrong, Clark wouldn't let his father die just because some people might to see him do superman shit too early.

>>212896118
>capekino
Embarrassing.
>a good few decades
Most millennials are going to die in their late 30s and early 40s due to colorrectal cancer.

>>212896155
You are way angrier right now, and all because I pointed out how dumb what you are doing is.
You are fighting over superhero movies, how embarrassing

>>212895542
>>212895780
Kek, there was a DBZ dub that added lines about how the city Nappa blew up was empty because everybody was on holidays and that the pilots of the planes they destroyed managed to jump with parachutes in time.

>>212893788
Clark wouldn't let his father die just to hide a secret, that's retarded. He wasn't even willing to kill a murderous fucking psycho like Zodd.

>>212896210
To be honest I don't even like superhero movies, I just wanted to take another opportunity call you a little pussy faggot. You little pussy faggot.

>>212893329 (OP)
>not enough safe sex jokes
>zero quips
>actual consequences
>no blatant Israel/Russia bad country
>no retarded dog
Too good for a Superman Movie

Hogs only like and eat shit

>>212895628
>Maybe people wouldn't avoid it if kid media wasn't absolutely retarded.
I'm sure there's a lot of trash out there, I've definitely discovered some of the cartoons I enjoyed when I was a kid didn't hold up at all. But I've also discovered some of it holds up really well. I enjoy The Incredibles more now than when I was 9. I do detect a trend of children's media getting progressively lazier presumably because parents aren't actively monitoring their children's media consumption as much.

Also if you talk to normies you'll find that there's a lot of them who defend terrible live action adaptations purely because they're live action. It's a bit like that segment of gamers who seemingly only rate games on graphical fidelity and ignore everything else.

>>212893329 (OP)
I was never too fond of it but I'll say one thing: at least I remember it.
Meanwhile the new one is just so boring and uneventful, nothing noteworthy happens.
Hell, people are only talking about it's box office performance and how goofy Superman is, there's no discussion about the movie itself.

>children's media doesn't entertain me anymore!
>two choices
>1) move on and watch better media
>2) bitch and complain endlessly online that Nickelodeon, Superman, and Pokemon just aren't what they used to be for some strange reason that I'm just too stupid to figure out

>>212896378
Personally I just mock the adults who eat that shit up when I encounter them.

>>212896280
>>actual consequences
Clark suffered zero consequences when he brought the fight to Smallville - neither internal ones like intense remorse/guilt or external ones like the military giving him shit for his recklessness. You'd never know Metropolis at the end suffered something that was 9/11 x 100 due to how happy go lucky it was - like it never happened. Consequences my ass.

>>212893329 (OP)
The 2010s were the golden age of capeshit, so the expectations were insanely high for MoS and BvS.

Nowadays we are living in the brainrot age when the only way a movie can become relevant is by jumping into the current political zeitgeist;
>Actually chud... Superman was always about respecting minorities and trans people!!

>>212893329 (OP)
Some anonymous /tv/ poster's niece accidentally saw his penis a couple of days ago

>>212896459
>The 2010s were the golden age of capeshit
>all quipshit
The very concept of superheroes is truly a cultural tumor on the west.

>>212896414
He saved Smallville, Metropolis and the whole world from Zod.

He didn't start the war, Zod did it

>>212893788
Motherfucker, literally EVERY OTHER TIME they explain Pa Kent's death, it works better than this. This scene doesn't work for the whole "you can't save everyone, Clark" idea because in this moment he CAN save his dad, easily, without raising an eyebrow. When they have had his father die in stories to give him the idea that he can't save him, it's through natural sickness, something that he actively CAN'T stop.

>>212896533
Replies like these are so dense and besides the point that this is why I usually suspect bait with snyderfags

>>212895767
If you actually believe that's a legitimate quote you may have brain damage.

>>212896605
why tf does the fence have Hitler staches

>>212896459
>the expectations were insanely high for MoS and BvS.
nope. Snyder literally just had to make a movie that didn't completely misunderstand the tone of Superman.

>>212896626
Huh. Maybe you watched a different movie, Superman didn't destroy smallville nor metropolis, it was Zod and his army, he fought them off and save them.

I think you are just a liberal that thinks that fighting is le bad and guns are le bad or something like that

>>212896704
1) He brought the fight into Smallville and never demonstrated any remorse/guilt after having done that. That's the point

2) I made no claim Superman didn't save Metropolis, I said at the end of the movie it was if that trauma had never even happened to the city

These were both used to illustrate my point that MoS was all about MUH CONSEQUENCES is rubbish. You're a baiter or ESL.

>>212896701
You can just say that you were mad that MoS didn't had any MCU quips

>>212896764
>He brought the fight into Smallville
Zod brought the fight to earth, Superman just responded to it
>I said at the end of the movie it was if that trauma had never even happened to the city
Maybe the damage was overrated, maybe the buildings were empty like in the new superman movie, we will never know how many (if actually anybody) died when Superman saved the world from Zod.

>>212896764
Who cares

>>212895880
Stop bumping every capeshit thread in existence or don’t. I don’t care.

>>212893329 (OP)
Man of Sneed

>>212895844
Err, thanks, you articulated your point very well now I'll listen to it.

>>212894501
Ultraman will just come back as bizarro superman.

>>212897287
I deal with it by only bumping capeshit threads just to piss off anti-capeshit autists.

>>212893329 (OP)
I liked it

>>212896883
>it's not an oversight and knock against the movie that superman brings the fight into smallville through sheer recklessness and never shows an ounce of guilt over endangering lives
Snyderfags everybody

>>212894254
it's okay if pdf gunn does it

>>212896513
capekino become capeshit with Guardians of the Galaxy

>>212898120
He is a man who saw thugs threatening his mother. It all goes back to what JONATHAN KENT feared!

>>212893329 (OP)
>I really don't get why people didn't like Man of Steel
The movie was fine until the ending that was just bayformers tier endless noise and garbage.

>>212893329 (OP)
Good cast, good fights but Jonathan Kent and Lois Lain ruined this movie. Sneeder try too hard to repeat Spider Raimi Scene and he failed so pathetic.
>No son, don't save me
DC was so stupid to allow this shitty scene and Nolan is a stupid hack who can't stop this, probably because he was too busy stoling some Anime material to his next movie.

Yeah I’m with Armond guys. I actually prefer Cavill/Adams to Corenswet/Brosnahan. The problem is Rachel’s head is disproportionately larger than her body and I can’t stop noticing it. Meanwhile Amy I could totally mating press creampie her.

>>212899263
He should still feel guilty he lost control and endangered lives by bringing the fight to smallville lol

>>212893329 (OP)
it's not a superman movie

>>212893329 (OP)
If I saw the movies through the eyes of someone who doesn't like comics or comic book media, I would honestly also like this. I think is unique take on superman, and the cast is good (despite Adams as Lois Lane, who is genuinely a shitty character).
But that's about it, Goyer made an absolutely terrible script for a Superman movie, where he tries to build off his mythos while deconstructing their own character and Superman as a whole. There are some scenes without an actual payoff in both MoS and BvA like Zod's death, Pa Kent's death, hell some of the scenes where Superman FUCKING STEALS clothes, crushes a guy's truck and just "aura farms" are so tone-deaf to what Superman is.
Superman would awkwardly ask for clothes, when the guy punched him HE would apologize for the damage done by punching Clark, and would absolutely not damage his truck. That's Superman.
Snyder stylistic choices are ok I guess, I think his wannabe "Jesus" comparisons are really dumb.
And don't get me started on trying to build off Krypton as much more than what it needs to be for Clark.

>>212898209
when did pdf gunn make the kents like that?

>Cause I'm a Shitposter, yes I am

>>212898209
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>>212900037
>aura farms
Please get off tiktok and make a new post with your original opinion

>>212899832
Armond doesn't actually like Man of Steel though, he's just a contrarian. It's cool if you do though, but fuck Armond.

>>212893329 (OP)
Superman in this universe isn’t uncaring, he’s emotionally stunted. With no Superboy and him even spending a decent part of his adulthood as a wanderer, he’s got no outlet to act on his desire to help people than responding to crises when they arise. He’s told from a young age that he’s got some purpose he’s got to protect himself for, so he needs to keep his secret even at the expense of other people, which is a lot of pressure to put on a kid who’s already struggling to deal with his powers and biological differences. So as an adult, he’s by turns emotionally suppressed and prone to lashing out in anger. Even his desire to help save people seems suppressed in some scenes, he’ll jump into action when he sees someone about to die, but act recklessly when he fights in regards to buildings being destroyed. If this is the approach your movie is going with, you can’t then turn around and say he’s Jesus, his symbol is a symbol of hope, all that uplifting stuff. It’s inconsistent and scattered. And it’s kind of unsurprising that this character in one bleak future is able to be turned by the anti-life equation when he suffers a tragedy. That makes sense for the psychological profile they set up here. But it’s not hopeful, and it’s not the kind of Superman you build a shared Justice League universe around.

>>212893422
>NOOOOO HOW DARE A FATHER BE CONFLICTED ABOUT HIS SUEPRABLE ALIEN SON, HE SHOULD JUST HECKIN ACFEPT IT O-OKAY??

>>212900670
>he’s emotionally stunted
Truly a Superman for the autism generation.

>>212900037
>That's Superman.
that's a fucking homo lala fairy man, who'd want to watch a movie about that guy

>>212893910
>DUDE HE'S TEACHING NONSENSE
(Just ignore all the times in the d he tells Clark he will be capable of great things for the world, despite his hesitation and Clark's want to do more for people)

This film will continue to filter brainlets who gets their opinions from YouTubers.

It's insane how much criticism of this film is incredibly disingenuous to the point of actively lying about the story

>>212894620
>Literally his FISRT day as Superman and has to fight invaders that are as strong and skilled as him

>DUDE WHY ISNT HE DOING TO SAVE MORE PEOPLE WHY ISNT HE REACTING MORE

Maybe if he screamed and cries more like New Superman getting weirdly angry at Lois (even though she's right)

>>212896133
>YOURE ALL HECKING CULTIST, JEET!!!
>Contuines to spame this image in every thread
the lack of self awareness in Gunnpedos is insane GOD forbid people enjoy something that isn't vapid generic capeshit like Superman 2025

It's crazy how you people pretend as if that film is revolutionary when it has to be the most created by committee MCU film, but we are all jeets for not blindly praising it like you WBD shills

>>212895709
He's the Man of Mercy in my opinion or Mercyman if you will. He shows incredible restraint in everything he does.

There are good ideas in this movie, but Snyder is too much of a hack to properly convey them.
Kent x Jor-El, is one example.
Neck snap is another one.

It's from another movie, but the whole MARTHA! disaster is just the apex of his incompetence at developing stuff that is interesting at it's core.

Adding to that, the 40 minutes action sequence at the end is just tiring.

Also, the explanation that Superman didn't care about collateral damage because he is still "in training" was given ex post. It's clear that Snyder never gave a single thought about it.

>>212901478
Forgot to add two things:

1 - Neck snapping makes Superman pause an think, but punching Zod a full force could not have killed him at any time? Lol

2 - I still like the movie and think it took the character in a interesting direction. I wish a better director had had the opportunity with this material. Snyder reminds me of Lucas.

>>212893329 (OP)
Snyder tried too hard to do to Superman, what Nolan did to Batman. The result was soulless, broody, depressing, joyless action. It had good cinematography, from a technical perspective Snyder is a good director, but he's a shit story teller.

>>212901585
>soulless
MoS is infinitely more soulful than the new movie. Gunn fabricated the entire narrative out of cheap thrills.

>>212900037
>some of the scenes where Superman FUCKING STEALS clothes, crushes a guy's truck and just "aura farms" are so tone-deaf to what Superman is.
You're still looking at it through the eyes of someone who likes the comics then

>>212893329 (OP)
0/10. No Lois Faora lesbian make out session.

>>212893329 (OP)
It's the "Krypton had its chance" line. No one likes a traitor.