Widen't Man of Steel penetrate the zeigeist like Superman (2025) is doing now?

Man of Steel is to /tv/ as Sonic the Hedgehog is to /v/. Neither are very popular and are universally mocked, but it's all anons on each respective board ever talks about.

>>212894616 (OP)
Because the MCU was in everyone's mouths that year.

>>212894616 (OP)
>capeslop
grow up

>>212894616 (OP)
Because people stopped talking about MoS outside of incel circles after its opening weekend. Because it was bad.

Superman (2025) is getting tons and tons of discussion, from people who loved it *and* from people who disliked it. The irony of all the bad faith chudtube channels trying to trash the film in order to hurt its box office is that all it's doing is helping the movie by generating discussion. Man of Steel didn't have much discussion, people saw it, shrugged, and forgot about it. So it sank like a rock in the ocean after a successful first weekend. That is what usually happens when a popular IP gets a movie that people don't like, just look at that shitty Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles reboot.

>>212894616 (OP)
Man of Steel had its interesting bits, but it never really delivered on the "feeling" that you should get when you are watching Superman. A movie experience is literally all about creating 'feeling' - creating emotional reaction. Man of Steel comes the closest of the whole dceu with the sequence where Superman summons the strength to trash the world engine intercut with the scenes of Perry White reassuring the girl trapped under rubble. But the rest of the movie and the whole DCU doesn't find that core feeling again. Snyder and his vision and the melodrama just doesn't deliver. The rest of the DCU just felt like MCU from wish.com the whole time and could never get out from under the feeling of being a cheap, rushed second rate rip-off. Meanwhile Marvel, in between quippy dialogue and silly comic book science mumbo-jumbo has a compelling character with an interesting Arc in Tony Stark and an emotional center with some really great moments of heroism for Captain America.

>>212895166
>Man of Steel had its interesting bits
what were those lol?

>>212894616 (OP)
>Widen't
I don't think that's a word

>>212894886
>Superman (2025) is getting tons and tons of discussion, from people who loved it *and* from people who disliked it
99% of all that discussion is either
>SAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SNYDERVERSE SAAAAR!
>Drunk Monke
>NOOOOO BOROVIA IS SUPPOSED TO BE RUSSIA NOT ISRAEL!
Nobody is actually discussing the movie, just those 3 things

>>212895211
>what were those lol?
the whole Krypton sequence
Superman being overwhelmed by his own senses.
His relationship with the Kents
Superman as a faceless drifter.

>>212895211
A better question is what are the interesting bits of the new superman, crying while getting beat up by ultraman? crying after Lex took his dog?

>>212895252
It be, howeven't

These types of threads are hilarious because they openly ignore the success of the Snydercut kek

>penetrate the zeigeist
imagine being the kind of person that sincerely writes something like this out.

>>212895317
Doesn't matter. It's discussion, and it's helping generate interest in the film.

>>212896485
The only thing cut about that jew Snyder is his mangled foreskin.

MoS is a Nolan-lite Batman movie except with Superman. I felt that it wasn't edgy/dark enough to be Batman, nor did it have the characteristics of Superman to make it a Superman movie. I liked it for what it was, as I am a sucker for the Batman trilogy.

I have little idea what happens afterwards because I didn't watch BVS, JL, WW or SS.

>>212896485
>success
how?

>>212894616 (OP)
GOOD MORNING, SAAR!

>>212895317
Is having a movie mocked and turned into memes because it’s so bad a good thing?

>>212896485
it went straight to streaming and was 4 hours long

I'd love to see Cavill

I'd love to see Cavill penetrate Corenswet before they both penetrate me.

Man of steel is better than the entire MCU because of that german kryptonian babe

>>212896485
The very same snydercut that was just slightly better than the theatrical release and had a ton of the same scenes people blamed joss sweden for?
The one where one of the most prolific "release the snydercut" drones vanished after saying the movie wasn't good??

>what's that in the sky?
>it's a bird!
>no it's a plane
>wait it's--- OH FUCK IT'S MURDERMAN! RUN, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!

>>212899982
>What you lookin’ at human

>>212894616 (OP)
People got on Cavill for being le evil and what not but Corenswet’s Superman would be perfect for Injustice. Overly emotional, inserting himself into geopolitical conflicts, the controversial message from his kryptonian parents. I could easily see him chimping out if somebody like Lex killed pregnant Lois or Krypto.

>>212900099
The black suit is so kino

>>212896485
People watched it because we were in lockdown at the time with nothing to do

>>212900101
Yeah but his Pa Kent didn’t tell him to let a bunch of kids drawn and Ma Kent didn’t tell him he didn’t owe the world anything even though he’s the one that brought the psycho Kryptonians to Earth. Not really MuderMan’s fault consider the Kent’s were psychopaths

>>212900099
>in recent news Murderman destroyed Columbia University, stating that when they rebuild next time they give the journalist Lois Lane a Pulitzer

I have tried three times to sit through BVS all the way to the end. It's just so...cringe. Especially coming on the heels of Nolan. It was like night and day.

>>212894616 (OP)
because man of steel was another edgy grimdark superhero movie in an era full of edgy grimdark superhero movies. Meanwhile Superman 2025 radiates positivity and officially marks the end of the edgy grimdark era of superheroes.

>>212900262
Bait used to be believable

>>212900192
I don't have an issue with SnyderPa being a psycho, but why did Superman cry like a bitch when he killed Zod? He should have been laughing maniacally, at least according to his upbringing. His sorrowful reaction didn't make any sense, it was never established that Superman valued life.

>>212900278
Except Nolan did grimdark well. Snyder is just such a tryhard. Yes, these are movies for teenagers, who do not care about such nuance. But given that the studios have tried to expand this audience by making capeshit more "adult", they should expect criticism from said adults.

>>212900303
nta, but if you didn't like that bait, you'll really hate this:

I prefer the Whedon cut. I couldn't even finish the Snyder cut. Yikes!

>>212900278
>man of steel
>edgy
>grimdark
Lel

>>212900338
Nolan's TDK trilogy had nuance, it wasnt trying to be edgy in an effort to shy away from comic books, it was trying to ask a lot of philosophical questions and to make the idea of a man wearing a bat costume believable.

>>212900368
I hated the first bait more. At least with the Whedon cut you can say you liked Superman more which I wouldn’t fault you for.

>>212900303
No, it really didn't. Poe's law was just as prevalent in the early days of the internet as it is today.

>>212900380
You can say the same thing about MoS and BvS

>>212900380
TDK trilogy actually had humanity in it and the people mostly acted normal, outside of the occasional long-winded speeches everybody loves throwing at Bruce throughout the films.

>>212900335
>it was never established that Superman valued life.
Especially after he basically had no reaction to seeing what the Kryptonians did to Metropolis and then confronts Zod in its ruins without an ounce of anger directed towards the man responsible

>>212900445
These movies are copycats. They TRY to do this, but fall flat instead.

>>212900262
Extended cut is better only because there's more context to what's going on.

Original theater cut is a 4/10
Directors cut is 7/10

>>212900478
I thought they succeeded and your mothers a whore

>>212900524
My mother is dead.

>>212900338
Nolan and Goyer wrote MOS. Blame really doesn’t got to Snyder. Issue always been Batman guys who do not like or understand Superman handling Superman. Gunn is the first non Batman homer that actually likes Superman since Donner

>>212900540
Martha martha martha

>>212900524
Hey, Zack. How you doin' this fine Saturday afternoon?

>>212894616 (OP)
Shit edgelord flick, its message its a demoralizing one.

People seem to forget Man of Steel was made to deliberately subvert Superman. The character was having trouble and the last “classic” attempts (Returns) didn’t go well so Nolan sought to revitalize him.

>>212894616 (OP)
>Widen't Man of Steel penetrate the Superman (2025)
/lgbt/ is that way bud

>>212900603
This, it filtered so many by not being just another Superman film, I give it credit for actually challenging the audience with characters like a conflicted Pa Kent or a more emotionally lonely Superman, I really enjoy how that film made Clark's struggles seem real, he didn't just become a perfect wholesome Superman, and his parents weren't perfect either

Audiences only want to be challenged in safe ways (like Making a Jor El who barely has any Screen time evil)

>>212900550
Nolan and Goyer did not understand Superman. Snyder's directing ruined the good ideas in the script by turning Superman into Jesus with tonedeaf action because Snyder thought it was cool. In the end MoS was a huge mess all the way through.

>heartfelt conversation between Lois and Mama Kent
>Mama Kent was actually Martian Manhunter the whole time
>refuse to elaborate
I just don't understand with the Snyder movies

>>212900719
Superman has always had messianic symbolism. It’s all over the comics and even Donner’s. Kal-El in Hebrew literally translates to voice of god. It was literally 2 jewish guys power fantasy of the second coming of Christ and destroying all evil in the world, like politicians. Seriously read the golden age stuff.

>>212900797
Who cares. Ma Kent randomly losing was a much bigger completely unnecessary plot hole.

>>212900800
Yes but Superman at his core is a country boy from Kansas who had powers beyond everyone and uses it to help people. He's supposed to be an alien but somehow incredibly relatable and down to earth. All the previous superman movies made him look too out of touch when he's just supposed to be just a simple man. At least Gunn understands the heart of Superman and why people still love him today, it's not his powers but what he stands for and I'm happy there's a superman movie that actually gets superman for once.

>>212900797
Hold the phone, Jonathan Kent was fucking Martian Manhunter the whole time?

It was a shit movie.

>>212900891
>Yes but Superman at his core is a country boy from Kansas who had powers beyond everyone and uses it to help people
Cavill’s is this
>He's supposed to be an alien but somehow incredibly relatable and down to earth
I disagree on the relatability aspect. He isn’t a self insert like Batman or Spiderman, he’s an icon, the icon of superheroes. Nobody wants to be a reporter with a bitch coworker. He’s a figure (an example) to look up to. It’s not like All-Star Superman is exactly relatable, he’s practically yet another messianic interpretation. That being said I think Cavill, at least in man of steel, isn’t for lack of relatability. He’s a soul searching introvert which works in today’s society.

I never got the argument about Superman killing Zod being bad. Like that would be the thing that would make Clark never want to kill again. But what I don't understand is Bruce going full Punisher mode

>>212901276
https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/1lyif2m/so_gunn_said_his_superman_would_kill_if_it_comes/ Everybody’s fine with it now that Gunn did it
>But what I don't understand is Bruce going full Punisher mode
Black pilled after 20 years of pure Gotham, the branding in particular didn’t start until the Black Zero event which he stopped after Superman died. But who cares if he kills a bunch of sex traffickers anyway.