>just watched new Superman movie
>better than Man of Steel
>still worse than Richard Donner's
>they gave Superman a no-kill rule
>people forget Reeve’s Superman straight up killed Zod
>and it was fine because Zod was a dick
>everyone says it's too comedic
>watched it dubbed so most jokes didn’t even register
>maybe that helped
>Superman is immature
>that’s established early so you roll with it
>people mad about Jor-El's message
>Gunn wanted it to be character assassination
>but aside from the weird harem comment (no one laughed btw)
nothing he says is actually evil
>they frame Superman as good because his SPACE parents told him to be
>not the Kents
>Pa Kent literally goes “not my place to tell you who to be son, just proud of you”
>space parents telling him to rule Earth isn't inherently evil
>power corrupts?
>Superman is literally proof it doesn’t
has all the power in the world, still saves squirrels
>crisis of faith scene with Pa Kent
he's sad Jor-El wasn’t who he thought he was
>then Pa Kent says “you’re a good boy Clark” and that’s it
>no stakes, no moral conflict, moving on
>Lois Lane is there
>very active, integral to getting Mr. Terrific to help
>but I can't find a throughline
>movie sets up reporter duty vs relationship but they never actually conflict
>everything she does is right
>romance is a nothing burger because she already knows he's Superman
>Donner’s love triangle with two people was better
>Lex Luthor is there too
>brains over brawn type
>plan is nonsense
>wants US permission to kill Superman
>random Middle East subplot helps to accomplish this somehow
>traps Superman in pocket dimension and just leaves him there
>didn’t even check if the kryptonite would actually kill him lmao
>trapped him with the ONE dude who could help him escape
>Bond villain tier incompetence
>At least Dr. Kananga wanted to watch Bond die

>Jimmy Olsen: most desired man in Metropolis
>city where the literal Ubermensch lives
>lol ok
>Guy Gardner: comedic relief, not funny
>Mr. Terrific: stoic, useful, but gets no character depth
>Hawkgirl refuses to help Superman
>my inner child weeps
>real Shayera would just take the excuse to just to bash skulls in.
>Krypto is a poodle
>wanted huntsman dog Krypto
>this one is a nuisance, not a superhero
>cute because otherwise people would hate him
>Superman literally says “he’s not even that good a dog”
>so true
>action scenes have no escalation
>underpowered Superman gets bruised but never functionally hurt
>fights nanite chick, pulls goo out of his esophagus, looks tired
>immediately fights Bizarro with no fatigue
>limits aren’t physical, they’re plot convenience
>final thoughts
>moral arcs flat
>villains incompetent
>at least Superman is trying to be a good guy

>>212911283 (OP)
Superman kills his clone by tossing him into a black hole in this film

Why would Superman need to kill?

>>212911393
Meh, he'll come back. Black holes are just portals in most comic book fiction.

>>212911283 (OP)
He pushes his own clone into a black hole and he killed a bunch of henchmen in the pocket dimension and later again with his laser eyes

>>212911647
Because killing is moral in a lot of situations.

>>212911741
choosing not to kill is a bigger test of morals

Can we ban all the faggots who try to promote this shit?

>>212911726
Watch the movie again, when they fall over the laser has just disabled their armor and they're fine. Not that I have too much of a problem with that. I'm more worried about his hesitance to kill actual Kaiju that are putting thousands of lives in danger.

>>212911393
He'll come back as Bizarro

>>212911815
Whatabout all the guys who fell into the lava in the pocket dimension

>>212911765
Choosing not to kill can be cowardice if it leads to more lives being lost. The problem with Man of Steel is not that he killed Zod, it is that he let Zod destroy the entirety of Metropolis before he did it.

>>212911877
I'll be honest and say I forgot about those guys.

>people forget Reeve’s Superman straight up killed Zod

Not so fast.

The rest is tldr.

>>212911836
I'll be honest and say I forgot about those guys. Most of them were killed by that other guy, but you're right that Superman did fight them too.

>>212911283 (OP)
>watched it dubbed
What do you mean by this?

>>212911283 (OP)
>people mad about Jor-El's message
>Gunn wanted it to be character assassination
>but aside from the weird harem comment (no one laughed btw)
>nothing he says is actually evil
>they frame Superman as good because his SPACE parents told him to be
>not the Kents
>Pa Kent literally goes “not my place to tell you who to be son, just proud of you”
>space parents telling him to rule Earth isn't inherently evil

He said humans were simple-minded, destroy anyone who wouldn't submit, repopulate the planet with his progeny, and rule without mercy. Do you also think Genghis Khan was also a pretty chill guy?

>>212911959
I'm not from an English speaking country. I'd prefer to watch it in English but I'll have to wait for it to come out on streaming to do it.

>>212912014
>>212912022
Did the translators fuck up? Is that why this movie is doing poorly internationally?

>>212912022
Oh okay. Yeah Gunn is very into quipy americanisms that I imagine don't translate or parse out well in nonenglish.

>>212912014
>he said humans were simple-minded
Most of us are.
>destroy those who don't submit
If you're moral, those who don't submit are evil. This only works if you're evil.
>repopulate the planet with your progeny
I fail to see why reproduction would be bad.
>Do you also think Genghis Khan was also a pretty chill guy?
No. But this Superman was taught not to act like Genghis Khan by the El's in the first half of the message. It was intended as a whole.

>>212912136
Do you not believe in self-determination or personal liberties?

>>212912322
I wouldn't if there was someone who was undeniably moral and just that would rule, but that's restricted to the realm of fiction.

>>212912643
First of all, Jor-El and Lara never told Superman to be nice to the people of Earth. They said they loved Kal-El personally and had picked Earth as his new home. Superman ASSUMED the rest of the message would be about serving the people of Earth, but he had never actually heard the rest of the message until Luthor broadcasted it. Superman explicitly says this in the movie. It's pretty clear that the El's couldn't give a rat's ass about the Earth natives.

Secondly, it's pretty fucked up that you're okay with a benevolent dictator. Superman is a really nice guy but he's still fallible and the precedent it establishes means someone else would inevitably take Superman's place who might not be such a nice guy. Moreover, the message of the movie is that our choices and actions are what define us. How the fuck is that possible if we're not free to make our own choices and actions?

>>212912136
>bro just murder and rape, it isn't evil

>>212912914
I don't really know why anyone would assume this with no evidence. Like, you show up on shore of another country with half a letter that says "I love you so much" and you assume "Welp, gotta be this country's loyal servant now". That's a big leap. So maybe my mind filled the blanks with things that weren't there. If I did that, I apologise.

I still don't agree with the second paragraph, the idea that Superman would not have any control over the formation and choice of which of his descendants would rule is not reasonable. That's the entire concept behind a monarchy, a system that has existed from the beginning of human history and will continue to exist until the end of it. And thinking that a world where Superman rules would be a world where the concept of free will doesn't exist is equally a leap. It is like to say free will did not exist in any regime that wasn't a democracy. I already live in a world where dissent is crushed on a regular basis, but the average person does not so much notices (here's where the simple minded part applies). In the end, if the established order is good, threats to it should be removed, because if a new, malignant order is allowed to take root it won't wait to crush whatever forces stand in it's way. There is no power vacuum. Someone's will always rules.

>>212913360
Red Son sort of deals with this but they also made Superman kind of an idiot who manipulated by Brainiac

>>212913067
Nice strawman bro.

>>212913420
Yeah, I gotta give that a read.

>>212913360
>That's the entire concept behind a monarchy
Okay, well in America it's just kind of accepted a priori that monarchies are bad.

>>212913528
Sorry, I just don't think that way.