He's joking, right? There's no way you could get away with that.

Happens all the time

>https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/worker-in-flip-flops-caught-clocking-in-then-leaving-minutes-later-for-two-years/vi-AA1IQmi9

>>212914107 (OP)
I worked part time in a dry cleaners.
I basically did that, I would just tell people it is coming tomorrow, even if I had the stuff there, only would bother to go and give it to them if the people really needed it and were very insistent. I got figured out after three months of this since I forgot to move the clothes around to keep the illusion like I was doing shit.

>>212914213
I'm not clicking that link. What's this guy's job?

>>212914107 (OP)
you get away with it because everyone else is also slacking
american corporations are usually so bloated and wasteful that no one notices it

>>212914107 (OP)
Every union and email job is like this.

>>212915258
>union
man you non union guys love seething that somebody has health insurance and paid time off while you are treated the same as the imported h1b jeets.

>>212914993
Why should I tell you? Do your own work

>>212915323
Because you're a nice person, anon.

>>212914213
City worker, 2 years only made 6k. Damn Brazil

>>212915315
Union guys love pretending that everyone else gets health insurance and paid time off without paying dues for it.

>>212915377
Ok, fine. Better hold yoi breath while I search for the answer.

>>212915477
oh no I pay 60 bucks every month to have human rights.
Poor old me.

>>212915545
>poor
Considering I pay $0 extra for those things I would say yes you are poor. You've been posting for 5 minutes, isn't it time for your break?

>>212915567
Considering you make less than me, and can get fired and have everything taken away from you in an eye blink, I would say you are regarded.
>isn't it time for your break?
nah I am on vacation enjoy my paid week off, I dont know what I will do with the rest maybe I can give you one or two, nevermind your boss would fire you for taking the week off.
LMAO

>>212914107 (OP)
>He's joking, right? There's no way you could get away with that.
No, because the shit they were having him do wasn't productive, the tps reports are makework and don't need to be done.
So what he means is that of the work that he is assigned most of it is pointless and worthless, it's partly about how you view the work you do and partly about how your value is measured.
Peter is neither right or wrong because most of the management is assigning work to make themselves look more valuable than they actually ever will be.

>>212915614
>yeah ked muh local gave me a whole paid week off from sitting on a lawn chair reading my newspaper they even gave me saturday night off too that's how much they got my back
try breathing through your nose sometime

>>212915731
Lmao I can get a whole month off if I wanted too and it all being paid, I am just bored so going to not even use them probably. I like working unlike you who has to work and gets beat by the slavemaster.
OH MASSA PLEASE BE KIND. Before you have dinner with your family do you make a prayer for your bosses health lmaooo

>>212916515
>it took him 44 minutes to come up with some cope about getting unlimited time off
alright kiddo time for bed
>I like working
THE UNION KEK'S FINAL FORM, ITS ENTIRE IDENTITY IS SHAPED AROUND MUH UNION

>>212914107 (OP)
most of office work now is meetings, they make you seem busy even if you don't do anything for 90% of them

>>212916544
>>it took him 44 minutes to come up with some cope about getting unlimited time off
Jeez louise pal I cant sit around waiting for you to post.
Besides you really dont have any ground to stand on so what would I even have to rush to see from you, more seething that other people make more money than you and have benefits that you dont have?
>THE UNION KEK'S FINAL FORM, ITS ENTIRE IDENTITY IS SHAPED AROUND MUH UNION
Who brought up unions first?

>>212916661
>Jeez louise pal I cant sit around waiting for you to post.
It's 3 o'clock in the morning. You sat there drooling all over yourself.
>Besides you really dont have any ground to stand on
Your entire argument is based on a world where unions don't simply exist to protect lazy pieces of shit like yourself (your immediate reaction was to brag that you can't ever get fired)
>more seething that other people make more money than you and have benefits that you dont have?
and just blatantly making shit up. You actually think it's 1905 still. Is The Jungle the only book they taught you how to read?
>Who brought up unions first?
I did, as an example of a fake job. You delivered, which is the only result you've ever delivered in your life.

>>212916736
>It's 3 o'clock in the morning. You sat there drooling all over yourself.
No I was in fact eating a pizza and watching sam hyde crash out on that podcast.

And the rest of what you wrote I won't read as it is likely more boring seethe. Listen I understand having these sado masochistic feelings where you need to be a slave to somebody else is normal to you but to others it comes off as pretty weird pal.
Hope it gets better for you.

>>212914107 (OP)
It's real. My job revolves around maintaining data integrity... for a database that nobody in the company needs the data from, it's just in case we ever got audited and even then they don't check the data, just a report I send. We've been audited twice in the whole 16 years I've worked there. I spent the first month just making a spreadsheet that would auto-validate the data for me, and chuck out a report when I needed. I now do that once a week so my manager has a copy in a folder he hasn't opened for at least a decade. It takes me a minute to add the new data and then click the button.

>>212915091
>>212916548
>>212917995

Who's doing all the actual work then?

My favorite is that Spanish guy that skipped work for like a decade to study Spinoza.

>>212914107 (OP)
>Being envious for a life of cucked soul-sucking office mysery from a life of even more cucked soul-sucking office mysery
Don't get me wrong, paying 80% of your income to share a house with a junkie in San Francisco in 2025 is no good, but so is his life.
It's the equivalent of a field nigger envying a house nigger.

I'm a shitty software dev that only gets a big project maybe once every couple of years. The rest of the time I'm just sat with my feet up playing video games until there's an actual problem and something breaks. I also have flexible hours so I can literally just turn up and leave whenever I want. It's honestly pretty cushty, I wouldn't want to have to ever get a 'proper' job ever again.

>>212919240
I worked in local government for a while and there were loads of stories about people who would get jobs as basic business administrators and then do something like write a fucking novel instead of doing any work each day and then they leave. I worked in IT there and there was a guy on the Service Desk who was there for an entire year apparently taking calls for another company whilst being on our payroll.

>>212919203
Nobody. Most jobs are fake and not necessary to be done, but the idea of UBI is so repulsive to people that they would rather pretend to be doing something useful.

>>212920040
I work at a government office and sit around doing nothing all day, but I don't see how you'd get away with that. It's not like you work on a personal laptop or something, I feel like even if I had nothing else to do if someone saw me bringing in my own computer and working on it I'd get told off for it. It's not like I have my own cubicle I can just hide away in either.

>>212921121
the guy who was working 2 jobs secretly did get done for fraud or some shit but I'm pretty sure the novel person got away with it. it's not like anyone is going to ask why you're sat in Microsoft Word all day if that's kinda what you do anyway. I've sat an programmed games for myself at work because I'm a dev and nobody asks me any questions so long as visual studio is open on my screen.

>>212921121
Might've been work from home. I'm taking calls in the middle of the night for service desk right now, we get very few overnight so I'm working on my uni stuff and shitposting

>>212921208
this was pre-covid. they were doing it in the office under supervision. so long as it looks like you're working you can likely get away with it. a rule of thumb I've always used is to carry round a notepad and paper so it looks like I'm doing something important when really I'm just walking to reception so I can leave and go to the pub for an hour.

>>212921208
With work from home its definitely doable, but if you're in-office I think that kind of thing is hard to get away with. Maybe if you're a guard or a night porter or something you can get away with it too, but I don't think I could bring in a laptop and work on something personal at work without issue, personally.

>>212919203
machines and chinese peasants

>Work for the Federal Govt
>Everything is so disorganized and there's so much apathy that I only do about an hour of work each day at my desk
>Nobody ever questions me
>Get great benefits and 27 vacation days a year

Honestly I'm cool doing this until I can get my pension at 46

>>212914107 (OP)
yeah i highly doubt the average politican works fifteen minutes a week

For me it's the CIA glowie who farmed out all his work to a chinese virtual assistant
I have a story about this from my uni days, this guy was in my year, although this happened while I was taking a year out and I found out when I got back
>lazy guy studying for CS degree, has big project to do
>lazy guy hires pajeet virtual assistant, gives him course documentation and tells him to complete the coursework
>pajeet googles the course code
>finds github repo from another guy in our year who already completed the project himself, and uploaded it into a public repo
>pajeet copies all his code and gives it back to lazy guy
>lazy guy pays pajeet and submits it as his own
>ends up getting done for plagiarism

>>212921278
I work for a government contractor and have successfully brought my laptop to work and shirked responsibility for almost 2 years running. I've written two novellas and a novel, watched TV shows, movies, and even jacked off in my office. The secret is to never shrink away from work when there's work to do, but if there's a large lull as there is in every job, you might as well take advantage of it. Before, I used to browse Wikipedia for 9 hours just learning. When I realized nobody cared or asked me about my laptop when I brought it in, I realized just how much more I could get done. I don't ever connect to the company wireless though. I stay completely offline. That's the only downside. If you leave a trail, they will find out.

>>212921306
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>>212919203
Nobody, 90% of the jobs are basically jewish daycare for women.

>>212921381
It's true. I spend half of my days in remote meetings with women. I'd say the ratio in my company is like 70% millennial women and we don't do anything remotely useful.

>>212914107 (OP)
literally me
my job is to sit around and wait for what I do to be needed
(complicated excels, that boomers are too dumb to understand)
so I just sit and do nothing for 8 hours a day until some one needs to see some results which takes me 15 minutes and I tell them ill get them done by next week

>>212921512
how do you keep your sanity. i'm a middle school teacher and part of why i like my job is that every day is a scramble from morning to afternoon. but i can feel my brain atrophy on "professional training" days where you listen to some fat woman bloviate about nothing, it's so exhausting listening to them attempt to justify their existence

>>212921556
>so I just sit and do nothing for 8 hours a day until some one needs to see some results which takes me 15 minutes and I tell them ill get them done by next week
based.
How do I acquire advanced excel skills? Did you do any special course or just rely on youtube videos?

I work in an office for the mayor. Our computers are filtered that you can't access most pages that are not work related, but youtube is fine. I also have more often than not days that I do jackshit but watch YouTube
Also, brought in the external disk, turned it to the side so nobody sees my screen (I'm in a corner) and I put movies and games on it that I play on a daily basis. Technically we do have computer guys, but I've been there for a decade and no shit yet.

>>212914213
>in flip flops
relevance?
is this somehow more disrepectful than stealing?

>>212915545
Unions provide mafia tactics, not human rights.
Human rights innately aren't something you pay to have.
You calling forcing companies to give you whatever you want even if you didn't agree at hiring your "human rights" is just you being a subhuman psychopath.
Please kill yourself soon.

>>212921600
I make good money and I get to spend most of my time half-sleeping in the couch. But I think about killing myself everyday.

>>212920929
The idea of UBI doesn't work because it's essentially just bringing back slavery but with the most incompetent people as the masters
>uh isn't that muh corporatism
No you're just a bitch
What WOULD work is drastically dialing back hours, offering more benefits to part time workers OR more money to compensate for them missing their share of the extra money you spend on benefits for full-timers, and most importantly extreme tax cuts for both businesses and individuals.

>>212914107 (OP)
It's not necessarily that he does "no work" it's that of the 10hrs only 15 minutes are actually useful and not some feminine busywork slop

>>212916548
Women and zesty Jews literally impeding any actual work being done
YOU VILL EAT ZE CAKE

>>212921606
Literally just get gud lmao Jeet

>>212915258
My uncle had a union job and quit because nobody did anything

>>212915315
I am taking 40% more than you union shitters who collectively decided to drag the actual worth of your profession down.
>butmuh
Your union boss plays golf with your other boss.

>>212914107 (OP)
I got away with it for a decade until becoming a stay at home dad.
I've done more work as a dad in one year then I have the entirety of my employment.

>>212914107 (OP)
There are weeks in my IT job when I work less than 10 hours a week. Probably could get away with less but I just get bored of not doing anything.

>>212921916
rude tee bee ech

>>212914107 (OP)
I work in a small company and my manager and the CEO aren't very tech savvy. they give me data work to do which is insanely easy if you write a python script for it (or even spend more than 5 minutes learning excel). I get all my work done in hours even though it would take them weeks to do manually. they think I'm some kind of wizard. so I work for about an hour a day and spend the rest of the time browsing Reddit or working on personal projects

all those movies from the 90s are right, though. it destroys my soul and I wish I could do more for the world

>>212921600
I'm the shitty software dev and half my tasks are setting up websites for bitchy Karens and genuine homosexuals/trannies. It does make my job feel worthless but it's what pays for my electricity to shitpost right now.

>>212914107 (OP)
most people just work hard enough to not get fired and get paid enough not to quit

>>212917995
>>212922229

I don't get it. If you figured out a way to do the work for 1/10th the time, why not use that to get a promotion?

>>212923485
I'm not them and I actually do my work as a software dev cause it's fun, but why do people always say "dude use this to have a case for promotion"
Who the fuck wants to be promoted? Not doing any of the fun work anymore but instead having to do interdepartmental drama and powergames all day?

I work IT and I go through phases of constant work and other times when I'll be doing next to nothing for a week.

Beats the fuck out of my nearly 10 years working in retail. I love my office job.

>>212915315
Unions in America exist to fund the DNC and to force their Unionites (lol) to vote in lockstep with blue. Lotta money laundered through Unions. Plus all the guys are grumpy old men and if you call them that they turn into women and get so mad lol.

>>212921805
>e,
how the hell is it slavery? no welfare, everyone gets a check just enough to live, and if they want to work, they can. this ensures that only the best of the best are working meanwhile everyone else can be free to waste their money on booze and hookers, thus ensuring the economy still keeps on chugging.

>>212924105
>everyone gets a check just enough to live
And everything around you gets exactly that much more expensive to offset the fact that everyone has it, making it pointless. Much like raising the minimum wage is pointless and sometimes hurts the workers (ironically)

>>212924156
>And everything around you gets exactly that much more expensive to offset the fact that everyone has it, making it pointless
thats a myth

>>212924184
How stupid do you think people are?

>>212924198
https://www.upjohn.org/research-highlights/does-increasing-minimum-wage-lead-higher-prices
its a myth

companies are posting record profits and they only increase prices because they CAN. they get away with murder and nobody does anything.

>>212921732
>forcing companies to give you whatever you want even if you didn't agree at hiring

What's wrong with that? It's you who comes off as a psycho.

>>212923485
promotions are usually 20% more money for 100% more chit chatty bullshit. most managers just sit in meetings all day at bigger companies sounds like a nightmare

>>212921306
>27 vacation days a year
Living in america sounds like a genuine nightmare

I work a shitty government job but I got stuck in the worst, most difficult district in the company so I'm busting my ass constantly while others in the company are making the exact same money with 25% of the headaches and aggravation. It's so unfair.

>>212924380
In Sweden we have 25 generally...

>>212921805
>extreme tax cuts for both businesses and individuals.

That is the same thing as the UBI; unobtainable. The UBI sounds really tempting if you don't know anything about history and, thus, economy. It would come with extreme strings attached, after they got you hooked on it good and steady. If everybody got the ubi, who would work? What exactly would you be paying for? It's as utopic as "everyone will be bosses". It's unfeasible. UBI is an idea thrown around as a potential tool to channel and regulate labour force in diverse/varied timeframes, a weaponised unemployment benefit and if you a small search, you'll see that it is banks and funds holding conferences and discussions on it.

How the hell did people get tricked into slaving away 40+ hours a week how the fuck is this normal? I used to work and I wanted to blow my brains out every single day. I would rather die poor and free than be a slave.

>>212919203
there are parts of a job that provide that 1% extra efficiency needed for a global business, but culture still demands you work at least 40 hours, so you just do whatever for the rest of the hours.
So the job is still needed to give the business an edge that a smaller business can't afford, you just have to sit around for most of the time doing busywork

>>212924430
>If everybody got the ubi, who would work?
youd be surprised. even poor people are enticed by money and they would gladly work if it meant more money than what is coming in. consumerism is too strong. not everyone will be glad sitting at home jerking off and playing video games. remember covid? a whole lot of people were bitching about NEEDING to go back to work.

>>212924498
yeah once I stopped being a NEET and got my act together I learned how to enjoy being productive. I'd still do some kind of work and be productive even if I could be unemployed without financial worry. I'm never going back to my era of gaming all day

>>212924412
Sure but americans normally get like 10... so he had to get an amazing federal job just to get as much vacation time as a street sweeper does in sweden

>>212924639
you're a europoor for a reason

>>212924498
That's not what everyone wants to do with their free time, which is majority commodified, constantly anyway: food, travels, toys, etc.


>even poor people are enticed by money

WHAT?


>remember covid? a whole lot of people were bitching about NEEDING to go back to work.

Everyone wanted to GO OUT and meet other humans without papieren.


>they would gladly work if it meant more money than what is coming in.

That's your standard unemployment benefit. The UBI, because of its universal nature, would demand 100 times more what a un.benefit does, specifically the giving up of your time to work at a specific job with given hours and tasks. I'm not talking looking for work, I'm talking "you're now an industrial cleaner, you start on Monday at this location. You will be receiving half of the ubi from us and the other half from your new employer. And if your card doesn't ping at 8:00 on Monday, you lose the UBI completely".

>>212924744
You live here

>>212924808
no one lives there, that's not housing

>>212924764
>WHAT?
yes. many poor people work multiple jobs to get even more money in or work overtime. there are plenty of people who would not be satisfied with a basic income check and sitting at home all day with not much disposable cash to spend.

hell i know people who were gaming unemployment and working under the table, people love money and love being able to spend that money. that you think ubi means everyone will stay home is ridiculous and shows how little you know of human nature.
>That's your standard unemployment benefit. The UBI, because of its universal nature, would demand 100 times more what a un.benefit does, specifically the giving up of your time to work at a specific job with given hours and tasks. I'm not talking looking for work, I'm talking "you're now an industrial cleaner, you start on Monday at this location. You will be receiving half of the ubi from us and the other half from your new employer. And if your card doesn't ping at 8:00 on Monday, you lose the UBI completely".
what the fuck are you talking about? every talk of UBI is income with no strings attached you fucking looney.

If you're a charismachad, you can basically say anything. I once told a coworker she had an amazing ass in front of the CEO. She giggled, he nodded.

>>212920929
>Most jobs are fake and not necessary to be done

>>212921381
>90% of the jobs are basically jewish daycare for women.

This. Someone wrote a book about it called "Bullshit Jobs" didn't he?

I worked in a pharmaceutical company near London for a while and basically all the departments kept trying to hire more people because every director (who ran a department) got more power if he had more people under him, so he just wanted more people, so he used his power to get more people. None of them gave a toss about "what was good for the company as a whole". It was ALL office politics.

At the low level (data entry, random crap) people worked hard, probably.

Maybe the sales reps worked hard. No idea. Their job description was:

a) be a hot 22-year-old-woman
b) go and visit some doctor and ask him to recommend our drug

Not sure how much work that is, but anyway.

Once you got past that level, there were about twenty people who did real productive work and they were really stressed and overworked.

Then there were about twenty people who did work hard but what they worked at was in-fighting and office politics to get promoted and so on.

Then there were a whole bunch of people who did very little. Some of them were cynical but lots (mostly women) actually thought they were doing useful stuff, as far as I could make out. Like going to a meeting and talking bollocks about having a strategy.


The key to not working hard, as someone said, is to know the key points where you really DO have to do some work, and never never slip up there. Like if a director needs his laptop fixing you really better fix it. But other than that you can just let things slide.

>>212925057
>At the low level (data entry, random crap) people worked hard
This is the answer, at my last job all the entry level employees and the immediate supervisor did anything. The rest of them just sat at their desks and stared blankly at their computer monitor or chatted in the hallway

Read Scott Adams books about working in 90s corporate settings, I'd wager some of the concepts still apply today to any place that's not a start up where you come in for unpaid overtime to show you're committed.

Basically, management doesn't promote or reward specific quantifiable output, instead making decisions on what benefits themselves the most first and vibes second(so sorry computer nerd who built and is the only one who knows how to use a database, promotion/bonus goes to the guy that just asks for meetings and checks in all the time to appear like he's working.)

>>212914107 (OP)
One of my co-workers was telling me a story about a maintenance guy at the factory I work at who would clock in then immediately leave to go clock-in at his other job then he would just take "breaks" and drive back and forth between the two jobs. Apparently he got away with it for years and each job pays like 35/hr

>>212914107 (OP)
At my job I have to create reports based on data that comes in every day. I cannot do my dailies until the other analysts complete their tasks and process the data. So I am usually sitting around for 75% of the day doing whatever.
Then when my data comes in I can usually finish my actual work in like an hour because I work quickly and efficiently.
The only problem it the company I work for is evil and employs literal slaves at other locations overseas

>>212915567
Based.

>>212915545
I pay $90 a month to receive mass emails from my union about BLM, trannies, LGBTQ and whatever flavor of the month shit everyone claims to care about. When attrition hits we’ll be gutted thanks to their unrealistic negotiations and fighting for expensive deadwood boomers. The pro-union people are so insufferable where I work and shockingly are usually the least productive.

>>212917995
Based. You’re not scamming or doing anything unethical you’re doing a job that is for whatever reason seen as necessary and you’ve found the most productive way to do so. Presumably you work from home too?

>>212917995
do you wfh at least?
if yes + you have an even somewhat decent salary you cracked the code.
but in the office it's not easy bullshitting around for 40h a week

>>212919203
20% of the people do 80% of the work

>>212924888
>every talk of UBI is income with no strings attached you fucking looney.

It's you who, like I said, have no idea of historical tendencies or current predicaments. You are speaking in idealistic, abstract terms.

And people work two jobs because one isn't enough to cover rent and baby expenses on top of food, clothing, transportation and medical.

>>212921306
I used to work for state government and was similarly lazy and demoralized. I quit and went to law school. Now I make over $200k, 4x my old salary, but I actually have to work.

>>212925057
>Someone wrote a book about it called "Bullshit Jobs" didn't he?

The guy who wrote about bullshit jobs, along those who read him, don't know how value is generated; i.e. through labour

>>212924844
>this breaks the eurocuck mind

>>212920040
> I worked in IT there and there was a guy on the Service Desk who was there for an entire year apparently taking calls for another company whilst being on our payroll.
I knew a woman who worked the service desk/L1 type of work for 10 years.

>>212915315
In the U S. unions are good in theory but in practice can be cancer. (Union workers become lazy. Sometimes you are not encouraged or even allowed to work hard by the union. Companies can just fire everybody and relocate to someplace cheaper) But at the same time non technical workers get cornholed by the company if there's no union in place. ("Company wide Memo: In order to stay competitive we are cutting your medical and retirement benefits")

At my last job workers from our department literally had to be flown out to another company location to do onsite work that the local union workers were to either too lazy or incompetent to do. Then they had the nerve to be annoyed that our people were there.

>>212924844
Ha! Gottem

>>212925057
I specifically do not take newly created positions. Like a position that literally did not exist before in the company heirachy. Because the minute things slow down and the money gets tight those are the first jobs to go. Like the company will always think "we got by without the position before and we can do it again" Seen it happen too many times to count.

>>212917001
>And the rest of what you wrote I won't read
More like can't read also you lost.

>>212925275
Do vibes really matter that much?

>>212928456
Yes.

>>212925057
>Maybe the sales reps worked hard. No idea. Their job description was:
>
>a) be a hot 22-year-old-woman
>b) go and visit some doctor and ask him to recommend our drug
I have a female friend that does this exact work. Her biggest part of the job is complaining how hard her work is. Meanwhile her work is:
>wake up
>during this day drive to a handful of doctors that you arranged meetings from the previous day
>at the meeting with the doctor, pretend to explain to a doctor that knows 10 times more than you do, that he needs this new medicine
>get bonus money if the doctors actually buy from you (that's where the hot 22 year old woman description comes in handy)
>get no penalties if you don't sell enough
Sure, it requires a lot of driving, but the car and the gasoline are provided from the company, plus a paid lunch wherever you want to eat. The most of the times I heard her complaining about how hard her work is, was during late night driving from her air conditioned car because she started driving to the first doctor at 1pm.

>>212928573
That sucks, I have no charisma.

>>212928667
I wish there were a comprehensive videotape series on how to speak charismatically to people. I don't get much opportunity in real life since I rarely go outside

>>212928456
Shitty vibes are bad for business. Because the best workers, the kind of workers with options will leave. And only the workers with no options will end up staying. Or put it this way. Say you have two competing companies that pay the same. One has a good work culture and one has a shitty work culture, given that they both pay the same which one are you going to choose to work at?

So if you are a business with a shitty work culture you are going to have to pay more for equal talent. (A viable option if you areva workerv just looking for more money) So if you are a worker working at a company with shitty vibes for the same pay you are just being retarded.

>>212928929
Arent best workers usually just vibeless nerds who get used by managers?

>>212914107 (OP)
I make $180k a year to drive around the woods in a company truck, take pictures, and send emails. 6 hours of my day is spent listening to podcasts and drinking coffee.

>>212929151
nice whats the job title

>>212928732
The only way to get good at it is to do it. I used to have a deep soul crushing fear of speaking in front of crowds. But after doing it multiple times a week in front of 50 to 100 people for years now it's easy. The key that nobody tells you about is to have something that you actually want to say and get off your chest. That's the secret that none of the books and videos tell you about. Start with the next time you are in a large meeting or conference and they ask if anyone has any questions.. and you know you will...don't just sit there meekly and stay quiet and instead raise you hand and ask the question and get it off your chest. And bam. You just spoke publicly in front of 50-100 people. Then keep doing it until it it's you that are the one up front doing the speaking.

>>212928993
The shittiest ones get laid off and the highest caliber will leave. It's the ones in the middle that are settled in that end up staying. Then over time as the cycle repeats that middle portion gets smaller and smaller until the company is on its death bed in danger of going out of business or getting bought out.

It's an extremely slow process that happens over an extended period if time where companies delude themselves that their own internal culture isn't the problem and blame their decline on things outside of their control like "market conditions" or something else external and uncontrollable like the weather. They will deny and contort like a pretzel that it's anything but their own toxic internal work culture that is the problem.

>>212929221
He probably traffics underage people or something

>>212929221
As if he's going to tell you. If I were him I would keep that shit a secret like the launch codes.

>>212929750
lol
>>212929799
good point

>>212914213
Lookup "Job banks" and how they are one of the reasons the US Auto industry got fucked.

>>212915315
My union buddy has had no PTO in years.

He's got health insurance and makes like 800 on a bad day though so I can't really comment. Mad jelly. He's had two guys die in his job site though so I'm kinda glad I don't work where he does.

>>212930036
>I have literally 0 time off but at least I'm making money!!
jesus christ

>>212919203
What actual work?

>>212928622
People that have never done sales think it's easy. Sales is mental feast or famine and most people simply cannot deal with the famine part mentally. If your brain is not wired for it you will blow out.

>>212930076
Yeah. First year I knew him we were playing D&D during the off season and he pretty regularly had to cancel because he was told to stay on site literally all night. Apparently he just spent his time playing Factorio and sweeping once an hour. Maybe he just didnt wanna hang with us but he's not a bitch and if he didn't wanna he'd just say so, but it's kinda shitty that his company just demanded entire days from him even when there was zero actual work to be done just because they needed someone to pretend to be busy.

>>212930189
I worked sales at a telemarketer company that turned out to be a criminal enterprise and that famine shit was a nightmare. We got sliding scales of payment based on the numbers we put on the board and lemme tell you brother, that last day if you were just below the next tier was INSANE. I got paid stupid amounts of cash just by being the only guy in the office who wasn't smoking crack or doing coke.

>>212914107 (OP)
literally me
although i am getting a bit nervous about it

>>212930380
This sounds exactly right. You need thave a bit of a lose screw to succeed in sales. It's just the way it is. The best salespeople just hide it better. Even the ones at the top that appear to have their shit together always seem to have have some truly insane wacky shit going on behind the scenes.

i wfh data job writing sql that honestly AI could do (and at this point i have AI do then I fix it myself)
125k, actual work 2-3h a week?

>>212930189
You have no idea how many sales to doctors she secures just because she is pretty and presentable. She says she has lost count to how many times she met a doctor that told her he would buy her stuff just because it's her, or how many times she got asked "if I buy this, will you come next week to show me how to use it?". It's the same strategy everywhere, coffee shops, nerd shops that sell MtG cards, you name it. The pretty girls are in the front because losers think they have a chance just because the pretty girl talks to them even if it's their job to talk to them. Meanwhile the ugly girls are stuck in the back doing the dishes and the average dudes are carrying boxes.

>>212931118
>"if I buy this, will you come next week to show me how to use it?"

How is this sustainable

>>212931227
well considering it seems like everyone on the planet who works office jobs is like this, and corporate profits are higher than ever, i guess it works.

everyones job is fake, everyone makes six figures, everyone complains about how hard and unfair life is. everyone with their fake work from home jobs, make 100-200k a year.

>>212930736
>Even the ones at the top that appear to have their shit together always seem to have have some truly insane wacky shit going on behind the scenes
One day I came in and saw that every one of the higher ups were being taken away by the cops because they finally got served for wife fraud.
Very funny

>>212931303
>wife fraud
What's it like being the last man standing at Astronomer?

>>212914107 (OP)
I have it down to about 2 hours a day for my work from home office job and everyone thinks I'm this hard working superwizard genius.

>>212922031
You make $400k? lol no

>>212931303
>wife fraud
what the fuck is wife fraud

>>212914107 (OP)
Had this happen at my company after new investors took over. They had no idea wtf they wanted or what they were doing so the entire coding pipeline was fucked. I basically worked maybe 2 hours a week and did fuck all. Eventually they laid us off after a few years. I don't get how retarded investors/higher up managers are sometimes.

they basically gave me enough money to buy my house while I played video games

>>212915655
They were giving them bullshit assignments rather than lay them off because they hadn't decided who to keep yet and didn't want their experienced guys to go work for the competition.
Entry level corpo fuckery as usual.

>>212923485
Corporate management is literally who can sell their soul the hardest. You will no longer be doing the work those other Anons are describing.

>>212931564
Office space is about the code-monkeys mass hired to patch the y2k bug in 1998 and 1999. By the time the movie takes place it’s all been patched and the job is done. The issue is they didn’t hire these people as temporary they hired them as full time career employees. Thus the “efficiency consultant” bit is just to have an excuse to lay them off.

>>212914107 (OP)
If you never worked in an office you cannot even being to image how much time is being wasted trough useless meetings, even worse now with fucking online meetings.

I love going on 4chan where everyone works a job where they do no work and make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, everyone's a homeowning millionaire from doing no work. Really amazing how society works like this. I bet you all also complain about how expensive everything is now, how hard life is. Your lives are literally the easiest that it's humanly possible to have. Most people have jobs where they do nothing and make hundreds of thousands a year, yet still everyone complains about how hard, unfair, and expensive life is. Doesn't make any sense when life now is the easiest it's ever been in human history with how rich everyone is.

>everyone crying and lamenting about how expensive everything is, omg look at the prices in the past, look how much more affordable everything is
>when every job now gets you six figures working from home doing no work and doing nothing to help society, more money than people have ever made, yet people still want everything to be cheap

>>212931745
t. soulless bugman

>>212915545
health insurance isn't a human right

>>212931840
not an argument

>>212914213
>city worker.
Well yeah, government work is a joke, but keep voting leftest you tards

>>212931745

>>212931745
You know they're all just making it up right?

>>212921121
I’m glad trump genocided you at the federal lvl. Now we just need a musk for the state and country governments.
>>212914107 (OP)
Remember when musk fired 50% of twitter and it still ran fine?

>>212932420
Isn't is hilarious how for literally DECADES people have talked about how government jobs are all useless, they barely do anything, how government employees are the laziest workers in existence, goernment is a beauracracy of redundant jobs full of people who do nothing (coincidentally, similar to the vast majority of whte collar jobs), then when Musk went rhough and started cutting shitloads of government jobs, suddenly now he's a nazi and government jobs are actually the most important jobs there are?

I'm a complete fucking retard and honestly don't understand white collar jobs. It will sound like I'm being sarcastic or something but I honestly don't. I don't understand how it seems like the majority of companies are just full of all these jobs where you seemingly do nothing. Stuff about "email jobs" where somehow all you do is answer emails? "Meeting jobs" where people just sit in meetings all day... discussing what? Endless marketing jobs, endless middle management jobs (that somehow everyone knows are useless but companies employ shitloads of them?), jobs with word salad job titles where people can explain what they do and it still makes no sense and all sounds like bullshit? I'll take the subway and see all these people in their company-branded backpacks (probably tech companies) and don't get how places can employ this many people, like how can a company sustain this many employees? Surely there's no way they all are necessary? And if so many of these staff are unnecessary, how does the company justify needing their positions, how do they get reviewed and get deemed still necessary?

I'm truly just too stupid to understand, I guess.

>>212925325
>why is china eating our lunch.
I never get these stories because the family members I know who were owners were always watching their staff, showing up to job sites unannounced, seeing who was missing, always mad if something that should have been repaired yesterday isn’t done today, and it was always everybodies problem

>>212932686
I voted for The Don but even I understand that the way Musk was doing it was autistic and was going to hurt the right in the long run (eg mid terms and beyond) There's a right way to do things and and autistic sperg way to do things. Trump was smart enough to see it was going to be a problem which is why he fired him.

>>212933047
Yeah, apparently despite all these managers in these gay office jobs, owners, CEOs, etc, no one actually pays attention to any of their staff so none of them ever do any work, according to the internet.

>>212931370
>>212931488
Sorry, meant to write wire fraud. I'm so fucking stoned right now lol

>>212933235
But your first spelling was correct.

>>212932884
no they're not necessary that's why Microsoft laid off 9000 people last week. tech companies which previously set all these arbitrary growth targets, and gave these employees vague redundant responsibilities to justify it, now realize they can automate most of these jobs with AI.

>>212931564
This is a perfectly acceptable strategy in my eyes. It's really hard to regain lost talent after you lay people off, so if you can hold onto them longer it's good. The company I worked for during covid did everything they could to hold onto the workforce despite the covid shutdowns cratering the need for that large of a workforce. They still did it even at a big temporary loss because the cost of trying to re-recruit and the time it took to rehire and all the overtime it would bring was way more. So it's not just corpo garbage, but trying to ensure you don't just throw out quality people onto the streets based on a short sighted decision.

>>212932884
It's not that complicated
You have a bunch of devs who code shit and you have hundreds of customers so they can't just individually call the devs up and say what they want fixed or changed
So you have an entire hierarchy that has to decide what to develop with the limited budget you have

>>212932884
It’s not as bad as this thread pretends, most people are doing actual work. Also a lot of firms have a “busy season” where 90% of their profit comes from. During that time they might need 200 people, but the rest of the time they need 80, but you can’t just hire and train 160 people every year in your system within a good timeframe.
Middle management is nessaray specifically because of people like this thread, most people will not work if they don’t get reminders of deadlines and corrected, or they start turning in work that is terrriable if no one is checking it. Which always sucks for the other 50% of people who don’t do that.
Which also speaks to why there are so many desk jobs. 80% of this is just internal controls checking for scam and fraud. Like if you submit a car insurance bill for car repair you just did. paperwork to document the person is insured, they have people taking in paperwork to document the work was actually done, paperwork to document who issues the check, paperwork to document who cashed the check, and every single one of these have people above them also checking thier work. All to make sure Hernandez isn’t just issuing checks to his mom from the insurance investment fund.
All these people need a hr department and a it department and a payroll department, which is also set up so people don’t create fake jobs and email payroll checks to their mom.
If you waved a magic wand and everyone was 100% honest all the time and you knew they were, 80% of jobs would disappear. Car repair work checks would be auto issued once the workman submitted request for payment, every company would have one bank account that just auto issued checks and auto deposits payments

>>212925325
This is incredibly based. I'd probably try to pull something similar since I work from home, but I'm paid enough that a nice low stress day to day is worth more to me.

>>212933472
>fraud is based.
You are spiritual brown

>>212919203
Me

>>212932884
I'm the same way anon. tested 135 iq, i work on machinery so clearly not the brightest. everyone I know who does these office jobs can never give me a clear picture of what the fuck they do, other than the friends I have in sales and financial audits or accounting.
i remember one time asking a friend of a friend what it was like working for amazon's marketing department and he got upset with me, like i was shit testing him.
i've read online that a lot of these jobs and corporate structures, whether intentional or not, are essentially post-college daycare. part of me believes it.

>>212933144
Most jobs are easier than they are made out to be. It's the managers that actively and purposefully make them harder. The smartest ones create problems because if they aren't actively solving some big emergency why are they even there. At least this is what they think upper management thinks (which often is the case) because if you are just smoothly keeping everything humming and running like a well oiled machine you are in danger of getting cut or not promoted. Yes the corporate game is literal cancer.

>>212933580
>relative who starts working in the controlling department of my company asks me to show her what I do all day so she knows what the fuck the company actually does
>show her all my tools, ticketing system etc
>"ok and now I sit here and program for 8 hours"
Shit's great

>>212933472
>another highly paid work from home low stress job on 4chan
See, this is what I mean.

>>212933580
what the FUCK does someone even need to do in amazons marketing department? what the FUCK does amazon need to market anymore? and of course, im sure this guy makes 200, 250k a year and has become a multi millionaire off being in amazons marketing department.

>>212914107 (OP)
i do the same. im at work right now actually just shitposting on 4chan as theres nothing else that needs to be done. life is great. fuck em.

>>212933922
Advertising works. Just remember 50% of people are below 100 iq. Simply getting your brand name out there makes people more likely to use your service. It works best with repetitions over months.
Also a bad marketing department can fuck you, for example see budlight tranny.
I’m not saying it’s not a bloated department, but it Is required

>>212914107 (OP)
You just don't understand.

He means he spends more time doing shit like TPS reports that aren't really work. Just busy shit to make retarded managers feel important and like they don't hinder more than help.

Most jobs are fake. The automation revolution happened already. However, letting people only work 3/4 day weeks or 6 hour days or whatever would be the true outcome of automation if taken to its logical conclusion would be a catastrophe for people in charge. Giving men free time is only a recipe for them to be able to think and contemplate more which would lead to them wanting actual things from their governments and institutions. So everything possible is done to avoid that situation. Mass immigration to make sure certain industries never fully automate to their potential because it is always cheaper to higher the immigrant slave class instead. Busywork and fake jobs created through heavy bureaucracy to ensure companies always have to staff up to the point it creates worker shortages in the real unautomatable jobs. Financial institutions that buy up housing to inflate prices. Additional industries become created to deal with all the bullshit. etc.

>>212915545
Yeah it's really cool when my union negotiates a $2 raise for me while my healthcare and union dues increase takes most of it

>>212933922
Need to keep your name out there. Coca Cola has a giant marketing budget

try living in the fake job capital of the world when you dont have one of those jobs and knowing how everyone you see just works in these gay tech companies doing jack shit all fucking day, seeing the social media posts of their "day in the life" where they never do anything yet still become millionaires. i wish they would all die.

>>212924015
>Unions in America exist to fund the DNC
Do you think unions were created to fund democrats or is it a recent development? If so what changed?

>>212933874
4chan is filled with oldfags. It's not like other meme sites like reddit that skew heavily college age or fresh college graduate. 4chan filters for certain individuals and then never lets them leave and the young gen now goes to other sites. I've been on this site off and on for over a decade now. Most of my time here is shitposting while "on the job". Is there still a certain class of young NEET/borderline NEET tier individuals like yourself that give 4chan its more stereotypical image? Sure. But depending on the boards there are a lot more people like me than you think.

>>212934138
>higher

>>212934064
>I’m not saying it’s not a bloated department, but it Is required
I don't believe you.

I remember, 20 years ago, some new local noodle brand appeared, and it had lots of advertisements on TV etc.; I can still remember them. Haven't seen an AD for it in almost as much time. But it's a wildly successful brand, and it's the only one I buy when I feel like noodles.
They just needed to make people aware of it, then after it had become a staple it was completely unnecessary anymore.

I refuse to believe amazon needs to market itself.

>>212934235
It's a recent development by the fact that it happened about 50-60 years ago, but basically union reps just got in bed with government. Virtually all unions will flat out tell you to vote Democrat and hand out pamphlets because a mass majority of them simply rely on government contracts for all of their pay. This is why many people hate unions now. Like you sit in traffic in summer time while the highway (that should have been finished 4 years ago) is still under construction and the guys are all sitting their making $39 a hour and it literally doesnt matter if they break shit, suck at their job, or pave shitty roads because it is almost impossible to fire them.

Then you also have the women who get paid to hold up stop signs all day

>>212925325
One of my neighbours' boyfriend is constantly over here helping out with stuff for free. I asked him how he had all the time to spare once, and he was just like, oh no, I'm clocked in at work right now. He'd been helping her replace wooden boards in a wall and then painting them for like an hour at that point.

>>212917995
What training was necessary to secure your position?

>>212934310
grammar check already automated your personality.

>>212914107 (OP)
I work from home, I probably do 2-3 hours of work a week. The rest of the time I just keep an eye on my inbox and chat app in case anybody needs anything.

>>212934334
I click on those creepy stalker Amazon ads that mysteriously have a thumbnail of exactly what I was talking about in some forum post all the time or at least every now and then. If it's from some online store I have never heard of no way am I clicking on it.

Everyone on 4chan works from home.

When am I going to get a job bros? When is trump going to make the job market kino again?

>>212914107 (OP)
>watch the movie
>he claims he's bored and has nothing to do
>but then he loses his mind because his co-workers and bosses tells him he fucked up THE ONLY thing he had to do
So he's mad everyone knows he didn't do the ONE simple thing he has to do in his work?

>>212934579
What do you mean anon? Everyone has a do nothing 6 figure work from home job.

>enter work thread on 4chan
>half the people posting only work 10min each week and make six figures
every thread

>>212934534
>>212933874
This anon is very upset he hasn't found a work from home job yet. Protip: find an industry that skews older and maybe female. These work from home jobs are fairly computer knowledge reliant - the kind of computer expertise you would find trivial because you've spent a lifetime having autism and shitposting and gaming and such, but normie gen X finds hard enough that it would be a full time job for them. Bam, your mid knowledge of excel and outlook can semi-automate large swaths of your job and you can efficiently work on the non-automatable parts with your elite mouse and keyboard execution technique honed from vidya, leaving you to finish your work in half the time it takes a boomer or gen Xer to do and a nice cushy work from home job.

>>212924639
>Americans normally get 10
like 99% of posts generalizing (incorrectly) about the US, reality varies wildly depending on your job and where you live. I'm some schmuck, no degree, decent corporate hybrid gig, 6 figures and 25 vacation days a year. I would consider myself average but I have friends that consider me well off and other friends that do better. it varies and generally both your PTO and income will increase if you change employers every 5-10 years, like I have since I was making 40k a year 10 years ago. some people get lucky and some people don't, some people work hard and some people don't, it's the fuckin wild west where you end up, more or less

>>212934690
Not everyone, like me for example. But the whole 2 hour work week phenomenon is a lot more common than you think, i saw it first hand at my last job

>>212934534
>>212934646
>>212934690
I just got paid 4,000$ to reply to these posts while at work in my comfy 1600 sq foot Madison square garden workstation/natural vibes holistic healing room.

Why are people so mad at NEETs for being "leeches" instead of seething about office workers doing fake work?

>>212934690
its hilarious reading these threads just the 2025 version of
>making 6 gorillion figures head chef at wendys

>>212934534
You can get shit work from home jobs too. I work overnights for a call centre. The money is terrible but it's enough to live on and have some savings. Working overnights I'm lucky to do maybe half a dozen calls a shift, you can use that time productively.

>>212931118
Pretty women should have a baseline 90% income tax rate.
I mean if we're still pretending to believe in ensuring fairness and equal treatment by society.
Otherwise get rid of *all* the equality laws.

>>212934900
what do you use the time for

>>212914107 (OP)
DEI/HR departments do negative hours of work each week.

>>212934690
>>212934767
>I'm some schmuck, no degree, decent corporate hybrid gig, 6 figures
like clockwork, no degree, work from home 6 figure job

>>212934992
jacking it to anime cat girls

>>212934891
they are the office workers doing fake work

I'm a nightwatchman and this is me. I'm in bed before sunrise all year and do 4 on 4 off. Pay isn't great but I live pretty well I guess. I do wonder what I should be doing during work to earn more money though. I'm usually just watching kino on a decent laptop.

>>212935033
but why

I deserve a do nothing job. Give me a do nothing job. Give me hundreds of thousand of dollars a year for the rest of my life because of random chance. Also prove that I have this extremely lucky position.

>>212935326
>>212935028
>>212934690
samefag seething every other post in this thread because he's a no skill loser who can't secure a work from home job

>>212935360
>skill
being a programming incel isnt a skill
>works from home
>literally no social interaction at all because hes too autsitic for friends or a relaitonship
>bro my huge salary and home and everything i can afford makes it worth it, honest bro

>>212916548
>43 minutes into meeting
>stopped listening 41 minutes ago
>playing RuneScape
>suddenly, "can you tale care of that, anon?"
>struggle to get off mute
>"y-yeah, unless something happens. Should be no problem."
>have to go back through the transcript later toearn what I agreed to

People that are hired though nepotism (most non-wageslave jobs) only have to not tremendously fuck up.

I think I should start applying for jobs I have no qualification for. If all those brainless sorority girls can get $100k jobs despite having zero skills, then there's no reason I can't. Fuck it. I'll apply to be a technical writer or something.

>>212935546
How will you explain that you don’t have any relevant experience sucking dick?

>>212935483
So it IS just you posting every other post ITT malding

>>212935629
I'm a quick and enthusiastic learner.

>>212921805
>get given free money
>NO THIS IS SLAVERY
Americans are so fucking mindbroken lmao

The job market is fucked if you haven't gotten in pre-2021 btw.

Indeed hides your overall amount of applications after 99, but I document and track all of them separately for accountability reasons (Specifically on wages and location for reviewing commutes and such), but I currently am sitting on about 227 submissions now. That's after the latest wave of rejects.

Now you might be coming up with your copes if you haven't been in the current market yet:
>Lie!
>Make up shit to fill in gaps!
>Use SEO words!
>Get certs!
I do all of that. I have three different Comptia certs (Data+, DataSys+, and I got a+ for even just helpdesk opportunities) and used to be a pretty significant professional in my old field but I had to leave the workforce due to a family emergency I'm not going to grandstand or demand a pity party about, but it resulted in a year-wide gap that immediately started hesitations that have built up for two years now. I've filled in with shitty make-work jobs at tax prep companies, but nothing significant.

Everything else either ghosts you or auto-rejects, because these companies have subsidized incentives to either say they're understaffed or that they're only hiring H1Bs. If you're not currently employed already, other jobs don't want you.

And it's not entirely their fault, since there's also retards using AI-generated resumes and H1Bs posing as employers to steal other resumes, meaning for every authentic application, resume, and CV there's about 15 fakes and there's no efficient auditing system that isn't also AI (that they're using shitty consumer grade models that ping false positives constantly). None of this is sustainable, either.

The system was rigged before and it's rigged even worse now. And when it falls apart I bet it's gonna be ugly.

>>212935812
If you have an accounting degree or nursing degree you can still get. A job. Just might take 3-5 months.

>>212935326
There's got to be at least one no-show!

>>212935812
Glad I got in pre-covid. I'm probably over qualified for my job given the university I went to, etc. But it's worked out and pretty comfy. My job is also very industry knowledge heavy and less coding/tech oriented so replacing me with a jeet isn't possible and replacing me with a yung blud would just create more issues for them to make it not worth it. I can't imagine trying to get into the job market today.

>>212935812
How difficult are the CompTIA certs? I've got some IT knowledge under my belt, but haven't signed up to take one of those exams since I don't think I know enough. Searching around makes it seem like it's insanely hard or insanely easy, no in between.

>>212935812
>227 submissions now.
thats rookie numbers. ive read articles about dudes who had years of experience in their fields and degrees and they needed to send in over 1000 applications. its rough out there.

>>212932420
musk fired 50% of twitter and now it's worth like 10% of what he paid for, and it runs like shit.

>>212932191
>government bad
>unless it's the police
>or border patrol
>or armed forces
>or sending money and missiles to Israel
>or current government is someone I voted for, in which case government good now

>>212935812
Sounds even worse then when I was in charge of hiring for the smaller business I used to work for pre-covid. I was probably the only white guy hiring manager (one of the many hats I had to wear for that job). Back then the issue was a lack of qualified applicants. The job explicitly required 1 easy to get cert but it was absolutely legally required so I'd get 200+ applicants for every posting but only a couple would actually be qualified.

>graduate college in 2019
>covid hits right after, don’t know what to do so don’t do anything
>family troubles between 2020 and 2022
>depression between 2022 and 2024
>finally get my act together and get a relevant degree
>job market is fucked
Why am I cursed? It was all my fault but it’s not fair

>>212935843
The issue is 3-5 months of your life is unaffordable for an overwhelming majority of the country, more than people get. Here's a fun financial fact, the median per capita income in the United States is a bit less than 40k (Source is https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/SEX255222 but it's down for maintenance, might be on the wayback machine). That's about $20/hr, which is pretty good.

But that doesn't line up with cost of living in a good chunk of the country. MIT has a "Cost of Living" calculator that basically tracks the minimum per hour pay to support themselves working full-time/2080 hours a year. It even breaks down costs. The lowest income state is Mississippi, and it still has a cost of living of $20.75 https://livingwage.mit.edu/states/28. Meaning the median American makes, effectively, less than what it takes to survive on their own in the poorest part of the 50 states.

Now consider the cost of higher education and you can immediately see why this is a losing bet for most.

>>212936001
a+ is dead easy and if you pimp yourself around on LinkedIn you can find temp positions on helpdesk, they're even work from home, but they don't pay much and you're competing with the entirety of South and Southeast Asia.

>>212936041
I should clarify this is in the span of about 3 months, as I was doing tax prep for sub-livable wages and I restarted applying in March. 227 across 3 months, I'm not far from that 1000 app number if I continue to do this for a calendar year.

I'm considering enlisting just because the GI bill and schooling could set me, the issue is I'm pretty sure I'd fail the physical because I'm the exact physical profile of an IT guy plus I don't know if my vision would pass Chair Force requirements (I do wear glasses but they're not needed, just improves my nearsightedness by like 10%).

Odds are I'm likely fucked, however.

>>212917995
Unironically AI will take your job. You're just a bookkeeper, llm could do that for free. Hope you got some other skills.

whats even the point? who cares about jobs? the future is horrible. ill never have a wife, children, family, or home anyway, and its not like i even want them, because i wouldnt know what to do for them. if i got some good career, who cares, if i make money, who cares, i wont have anyone to enjoy it with and i dont enjoy anything anyway. theres literally nothing for even normal people that makes the future look like itsgoing to be a positive thing, so what is there for me. i dont even know where im supposed to get the hope from.

>>212932092
It is in the First World.

Unions are very often necessary to force employers to give their employees reasonable and often needed accommodations to live fulfilling, productive lives. However, that being said, I don't like union people because at least half of them abuse the union to act like shitbags and do as little work as possible. The good union people don't do anything to keep their houses in order either so they are just as responsible as the shit bags, sorry bout it.

>>212921606
fake it till you make it
at first im like yea I can do crazy shit
and learn as you go

but maybe take a financial modeling class

>>212924276
>upjohn.org
>What's up, John?
>Nothin' much.
I invented rickrolling. You think this low-effort CABBAGE is gonna work on me!?

>>212935494
>have to go back through the transcript later toearn what I agreed to
I had to do that the other day because i dont understand indian people accents

>>212916548
I used to fill up my calendar with bullshit meetings, sign up for any roundtable I could find, any project I knew was heading nowhere. People complained about our calendars being transparent to everyone but it gave me an excuse to be at my desk listening to audiobooks all day while avoiding any real work.

>>212936267
Until AI is put in charge of hiring and firing people these jobs will exist. You seriously underestimate how little of a shit some managers give and how incompetent they can be. Every month I go to a meeting for my sector and come out of it with an Excel sheet they extract from the top-management file. I come back to my desk and feed that file to my automated spreasheet, wait a few days then push that to the shared folder. That is 90 percent of my job, my boss thinks I'm a wizard. There are 3 other people doing the exact same thing in that meeting and one has been doing it for 5 years. I know another guy who has managed to somehow become the fire and safety inspector for his building and now has 0 real work to do and no boss besides the CEO since there is no oversight structure for that specific job in our company.

It won't last forever, but I'm sure there will be another bullshit job waiting. It's not limited to office work either, in Asia I saw a store where every step of folding clothers had a dedicated employee to make it faster and two summers ago I worked as an assistant to something like a park ranger, basically drank beers, hiked around and filled out a form every week that went into a shared folder no one ever looked at.

>>212927459
>10 years
why? Aren't you supposed to branch out into something more specialized or into management? I've never service desk but from what I've heard our IT grunts say it's the first step on the corporate climb.

>>212921278
>night porter
when I worked the front desk at a museum, the night guard worked his way through his CS diploma by studying while he was there. All he had to do was get up for a 10 minute patrol every hour or so and punch a card every three hours.

>>212919203
there's no real work to be done. nothing is imperative or urgent and the entire business only exists to keep itself open. essentially what >>212921381 said.

>>212921648
>Technically we do have computer guys, but I've been there for a decade and no shit yet.
Making sure you do your job is not IT's responsibility, they just update the filters to whatever management decides. Only way they'd intervene is if you're compromising security somehow or using company resources for personal shit, like asking for some crazy graphics card or excess RAM on your VM.

>>212923485
NTA but I had the exact same position and manager also thought I was a computer god for not doing shit manually. A promotion would have thrown me into doing shit I had no idea about, there would have been no guarantee I could bullshit my way through it. I got a taste of it when I got sent up to corporate for some meeting to contribute to a whitepaper they were doing, it was actual work and you had to juggle all kinds of office politics on top of it. All of that for a modest payraise, it's only worth it if you're truly aiming to climb the ladder or if you're padding out your CV for headhunters.

I have no confidence in myself that I can do anything. And I know people say the job market is horrible now. There's no reason why any company would ever want to hire me for anything. I have no skills and I'm in my 30s. I offer nothing. Any new graduate in anything would be more driven and extroverted than I am. I don't even know what job I would apply for outside of basic minimum wage things, while everyone my age or younger already has 5-10 years into their careers all making huge salaries. It blows my mind knowing how pretty much everyone has such great careers and everyone makes so much money and have real lives. All these people going back to school, doing certifications, doing job hopping, endless interviews, constantly bumping their salaries, it's all beyond me. Every time I read anything online whether it's 4chan or Reddit, or hear somewhere, seeing how successful everyone is in their careers, it makes me even more despondent about how far behind I am in life, more depressed, more miserable, more suicidal. Read through this thread and see how everyone in a place where you might think people are similar to you actually has top careers, working remotely so they don't even have to go anywhere, work 2 hours a week and spend the rest of their work day getting paid for whatever, make 6 figures, 150, 200, 250k a year, own homes, have families, already millionaires prepared for retiring, I'm so astronomically behind everyone in society that there's no reason for me to even bother getting into it. I'll never achieve anything, I'll never help anyone, I'll never serve any purpose in this world.

>>212939797
this is too real anon, stop.

>>212929246
This is actually great advice.

>>212940101
It's not too real, it's only real for me. No one else can relate to this, becuase everyone else is a massive success who all actually have ambition, goals, and a hope for the future, while I'm as big of a failure as someone can be, and the only reason I didn't kill myself over a decade ago is because I'm too much of a pathetic coward to even try that.

>>212919203
What do you mean? Emailing is real work.

>>212939797
anon, just go to any community college and get a certification in something. It wont be a high paying job but after you work the entry-level job a couple of years you discover new opportunities and move from there. The secret? It all sucks so just stick with the thing that you can tolerate the most. You can literally just get a quick certification to be a security guard that sits in a shack all day or night and just browse the internet

>>212940329
Every job no matter how small has insane amounts of competition right now. And not only for useless retards like me, but with all the high level people being laid off, people who are infinitely more qualified and capable than I am go for jobs they are too qualified for and get them because they have great skills to offer. And outside of the skills, there's of course the better personalities, the attractive looks, all things that would make any company hire literally anyone except for me. And even if I managed to somehow lie enough to make it through an interview to be hired, they would realize within a few days or weeks how worthless and detestable I am and would fire me.

>>212930036
That only happens if you want the money and you have seniority to get those hours, if you are 5 years in you will want every one of those hours, but the older guys just do their assigned days and leave when they are done and dont do extra time, seems like your buddy just has no backbone to say no or just wanted the money instead of playing d and d.

>>212940417
>Every job no matter how small has insane amounts of competition right now.
Get an apprenticeship in a trade.

>>212930036
>makes $800 on a bad day
so makes like $1000 on a good day? so his salary is 300-350,000 a year?

>>212914107 (OP)
its a corporate programmer job that all of the higher ups and managers know is about to do layoffs. you absolutely get away with not working. the best part is that he probably got severance and a fat check as part of the layoff if this was the real world.

talk to any dev thats worked for a company that was clearly going under and theyll tell you no one does anything

>take subway to work
>see all these women in professional attire going to work in the city
i assume theyre all just marketing or hr or other bullshit right?

>>212940571
>Get an apprenticeship in a trade.
I've looked online and I don't see anything like that.

>>212914107 (OP)
There's a lot of hurry up and wait in office jobs, specifically engineering, when not out in the field. You're waiting on someone else to do their job so you can do yours around 80% of the time. This is where you do other shit like audit your data one more time, run another test, get ahead on other projects, etc. But when you absolutely have nothing to do, it is soul-crushing. A lot of autists actually break because of the inefficiency in American professional culture.

>>212940571
Trade people are a certain type of guy. Usually a "guy's guy" type, where the guys can all fuck around and talk about shit with each other, go out after work, hang out, etc. I wouldn't fit in at all with these types of guys. No one will want to work with me or be around me.

>>212940672
go to any local union hall and ask. Just ask. I remember in my early days I would walk around union halls and nearly all of them would be willing to take my in (starting at shit pay, but definitely a chance to learn). I'm going to trust you're not just saying defeatist shit before even trying so look up all your local union halls, go in and ask if there is any chance to get in with zero experience.

>>212940571
This is a meme and there is a tremendous amount of churn in the trades. Also while you are an apprentice you are being paid starvation wages with no benefits. A lot of times they won't even train you in the job fully because once you are fully trained you are now competition for the same jobs.

>>212940672
Literally just look up "apprenticeship [city and state you live in]"

>>212940747
They won't care because they're fucking desperate.

>>212940813
better than the no wages hes getting now. It's not easy, that is for damn sure but they cant put a gun to your head and kill you. Ive seen some downright clumsy turbo autists trainees/apprentices in the refinery that are now wrenching and doing their thing because they stuck it out. Op just keeps making new excuses, some real pussy shit

>>212940813
Sounds like cope to me. A lot of trades, like carpentry, the average age is like 40+. When the older cohort ages out of it relatively soon, we're going to be missing insane amounts of trade workers.

>>212940226
dude I am also in my 30s with years of NEETing behind me and am currently looking for a job after going through some training. Your short paragraph describes my thought process and worries exactly. My CV is likewise empty until 2024, most I have is internships in college and random stuff from the years right after (warehouse, night guard, moving crew).
Last year I had to go to a goverment round-up session of longterm NEETs to keep getting cash, unironically just having to get up on a fixed schedule and actually going out to socialize was like slowly coming out of a haze. When I spend most of my time on my own and don't interact with society for long stretches, I get stuck on looping thoughts like you typed out, any time I got a bit sick of it I'd look up people I knew and job offers online to reassure myself that there was no point in anything other than shutting the outside world out, that it was too late because I'd missed a step early on and doomed myself to my current situation forever.

But once I spent most of my day doing stuff outside with other people, all of that kinda drifts away. Most people don't care about you enough to look into why you're 30 and in an entry level job, hiring agencies don't give a fuck if you've got 10 years XP or are new to the shit job you're applying for, there are programs that literally pay you to get trained for jobs that are in demand etc Once outside, all the stuff you tell yourself constantly is confronted with reality and you see that most of it is self-induced delusion. But I never got past it before because I had convinced myself even shit jobs were too good for me, that other people could see how worthless I was and were repulsed by it so I might as well just stay home, stay away etc

Anyways this is turning into my blog, just tl;dr go outside and make it so that you are forced to be somewhere for a few hours a day doing stuff with people. It can be a job or just volunteering, anything is fine.

>>212941010
you said cv, so i assume youre in england or something. ive just had the same useless job or over a decade so not technically a neet, but i dont even know waht i would try to get.

i know people say all the time "dude no one cares about what youre doing its all in your head", but honestly it doesnt really matter what other people think, its about what i think. and what i think is that everyone i see is just a reminder of how ive wasted my entire life and how much of a worthless failure i am.

what did you end up getting training in

>>212940897
>we're going to be missing insane amounts of trade workers.
That's a meme pushed by conservitards. The real reason is that there aren't any big projects driving demand for trades jobs. There's barely any houses being built because nobody can afford one. No large buildings, no major roadwork, people would rather DIY than pay out the ass for something you can do yourself with a trip to harbor freight.

>>212940897
>we're going to be missing insane amounts of trade workers
Lol, lmao evem. They tried to push this meme on me in high school 10 years ago and they tried to push this meme on my cousin 20 years ago. The truth is, boomers arent retiring, and they arent interested in training some apprentice. I mena, eventually theyll have to retire but in the meantime trades dont pay all that well and honestly youre better off just trying for a white collar office job

>>212915315
Having a union job was great. I basically got to work like a colored person while receiving the pay of a white man.

>>212919203
>amazon fulfillment cagies
>plumbers
>and your mom

>>212915315
Go fuck yourself. I make 30$ an hour in a union compared to the $20ish I'd make if I worked outside of it for the same job. I also have unlimited accruing sick time that I can use, no questions asked, 3 weeks paid vacation, can't be fired for no reason, will have a good pension upon retirement, and I can't be punished with more work for doing a good job. All that and more, and my dues are $50 a paycheck. Go back to watching Dirty Jobs and jacking off to the thought of making your employer as much money as possible while you get as little as they can get away with paying you.

>>212942442
meant for: >>212915477

>>212914107 (OP)
My sister had an email job WFH for 2 years, she just went to sleep for 4 hours with a mouse jiggler, watched Netflix and sent 2 emails a day where she put orders for more laptops for the company. She still managed to fuck that up and got fired, then she failed upwards and got a higher up HR job with an art history degree. Some people just win unnecessarily.

>>212942591
Lmao what did she do to get fired?

>>212919203
God.

>>212921871
>Yes, I will eat the cake
>Yes, I will talk about my car problems with the boomers during coffee break
>Yes, I will talk kinos with the non-boomers during other coffee breaks
All the while you skip out on it to have more time to slave away for Goldstein.

>>212942591
every story i read about modern work drives me closer and closer to suicide.

>>212939797
>actually has top careers, working remotely so they don't even have to go anywhere, work 2 hours a week and spend the rest of their work day getting paid for whatever, make 6 figures, 150, 200, 250k a year, own homes, have families, already millionaires prepared for retiring
People are bragging, anon. They may exaggerate, or lie, or perhaps they are actually telling the truth exactly as it is. But remember that there are probably tons of anons that doesn't have that so they simply don't post, because they feel like you.
You probably have two types of posters, those bragging or those wallowing in their misery. The mid tier ones usually don't post, because there's nothing interesting about it.

And you said you had a job? So your CV won't be empty, then it's probably a non issue. You could hit up a community college or something else like the other anon suggested. If you have something in mind.
And I don't think most people have jobs they care a great deal about. Personally I don't care much for my job, it pays okay and is okay. Nothing more, nothing less.

I feel similar to you, but for >tfwnogf so I know how hard is it to actually change. I tell myself to install some dating app but I never do, use the similar excuses to myself about being inexperienced and not good enough. Even though I logically know it will only get worse with time.
Doing something is always better than doing nothing, in both these cases.

>>212921732
>muh mafia tactics
good. the fucking government will literally kill striking workers on behalf of private corporations. there’s no such thing as moral high ground when it comes to securing our basic rights

>>212919203
>all the actual work
You are looking at it.>>212919240

>>212943622
>I feel similar to you, but for >tfwnogf so I know how hard is it to actually change. use the similar excuses to myself about being inexperienced and not good enough. Even though I logically know it will only get worse with time.

i feel that way with my job
i feel that way with tfwnogf and virgin
i feel that way with living with my parents
i feel that way with not having friends
i feel that way with not driving
i feel that way with no being muscularly ripped
i feel that way with literally everything in my life. being in my 30s with all these things, there is absolutely zero hope for me. zero. none. no aspect of life am i even the slightest modicum of successful. a complete failure in literally every single solitary aspect of my life and i am the only one to blame. people like me do not deserve the "miracle" of life.

>>212935483
>literally no social interaction at all because hes too autsitic for friends or a relaitonship
projecting hard
bet you were one of those pathetic faggots pushing for RTO because you got too lonely lmao

>>212922095
>until becoming a stay at home dad.
How to do this career path? I think work sucks and would much rather raise kids and work the soil in a nice house on the countryside.

>>212921732
>Unions provide mafia tactics
>>212943886
>government will literally kill striking workers on behalf of private corporations
My boss said he loved the unions, because otherwise they would have to negotiate salaries with ever single employee. Now it's done basically country wide for every worker in my field.

>>212919203
Blue collar workers.

>made a bunch of money on crypto and can now be a NEET for at least a decade (then kill myself)

>>212944364
Blue collar workers don't do shit. White collar workers especially those in tech are the backbone of society.

>>212944401

>>212921606
>How do I acquire advanced excel skills? Did you do any special course or just rely on youtube videos?
Anon we literally live in the era of AI. You can just ask ChatGPT how to do what you want or outright make the spreadsheet for you.

>>212914107 (OP)
I did this for the last like six months at my old job. No one noticed. I realistically could've kept going tor long but it was just boring. I was gonna kill myself just sitting at my desk and pretending to do things.

>>212944057
You can fix some of these things quite easily, but taking some time.
>i feel that way with no being muscularly ripped
You can start working out today. You can start eating less today, if you are fat, otherwise you can start eating more.
It will take time and require dicipline. But it's very easy, and you don't have to tell anyone, other than yourself, so it's not a social effort. It can be good to tell your parents though, since the failing will be harder mentally.
>i feel that way with not driving
You can ask your parents to practice driving with you. At least in most countries you can. Not that I know your parents, but most probably wouldn't see it as a failure, rather something good that you are trying to improve. Generally people's parents want their kids to succeed, even if they are starting late.

Other things can be harder, but getting a hobby where you can meet others can be good for friends, or just getting some socializing.
Can feel like a big step though, haven't done it myself, but hasn't really had a need for it (or so I tell myself...)

In general I feel spending less time on here and otherwise online is good. Read a book, even better go outside and do so, get some sun. Go to the beach and do so. Enjoy the summer.

>>212941125
Close, I'm in France. I completely agree that it doesn't matter what people think, although it does usually weigh in on your self esteem in varying amounts. I found that once I started doing stuff I stopped thinking about other people despite seeing them more everyday than I did as a NEET, a lot of that can be chalked up to exhaustion as I had a hard time adapting to a daytime schedule again for like 6 months before it stuck, I just didn't have the energy for anything else other than going to class and then practical training.

When I finished up the orientation, I was basically told that I could go back to being a NEET but check in with them every month, look for a job or get into training. Since I have no funds of my own I was limited to whatever was sponsored by the region, so either go into building aircraft parts, elder care, laying cable, making chips or IT work. I originally came in looking for forester training but there wasn't any offered unless I moved and without funds there was no way for me to get an apartment anywhere other than what I already had so I was stuck with IT since I couldn't imagine doing the other stuff at all. I got into a 8 month training program with mostly burnouts and the odd few people who were transitioning into IT from other careers (employer paid training), 5 months in class 3 months internship. The company I was interning in was going bankrupt so I didn't get a hire lol, that was a few months ago and I've been working random jobs while I look. It was a bad choice getting into IT I think as I barely enjoy the work but the glimpse I got from another internship of what the job could be is still appealing if I can get past the help desk phase. I'll keep giving it a go, as I said every day even struggling is better than going back to being a NEET.

woah I'm really blogging here, cont.

>>212944325
okay? unionized workers make 2 million dollars more in their lifetime compared to non unionized workers doing the same job. congratulations

>>212933136
>even I understand that the way Musk was doing it was autistic and was going to hurt the right in the long run (eg mid terms and beyond)
Kek, nigger you won't even REMEMBER the shit you're complaining about now by the time Mid-Terms roll around. You faggots will have moved on to another momentary outrage three times by then.

>>212944807
I think in retrospect a big obstacle in the past for me was not accepting reality, my mind would constantly be running in loops comparing my life with my peers from college and high school and I'd spend every night in fruitless thought alternating between looking for a solution and berating myself for not being able to live a normal life. This went on for years and kept me inside since I wouldn't take action until I had figured out a gameplan, lotta dumb time lost on ''research'' and trying out stuff. Once I got summoned to the NEET thing and saw the kind of people who were my current peers, it really hit me how badly I'd fucked up my life, with that came the acceptance that this is where I am, this is what's real no matter what is happening in my head or how I try to fantasize a solution. I'm so far down the slope that it's doesn't make sense to compare myself to anyone I know other than the burnouts I saw in training, no one from my friend group or family is this much of a screwup. Accepting that I was a fuckup was hard because I spent all my schooling being told I was gifted and tutoring others, but once I did I stopped having insane expecatations of myself that I was failing to satisfy and could just focus on doing work and hoping that would lead to anything better than what I currently have, which is nothing.

Anyways now that I type it out I realize my situation isn't very similar to yours at all, it was nice to put it on paper though.

>>212915545
Unions suck.

I spent like half of Friday jerking off and playing video games because I WFH on that day.

In the office, I usually work for like two or three hours and then walk around the different floors for most of the day and pretend to look busy when my boss is around.

Most office jobs are pretty useless because you're relying on a client or vendor to message you back. Don't get me wrong, there are some weeks where I'm working like 50+ hours, but those are far and between the lighter weeks.

>>212919203
Nobody, lmfaoo. Like 90% of jobs are pretty fucking useless or done by pajeets or chinks.

Basically the higher you are the less you work you actually do.

>>212916548
>Be electrician working in big pharma facility.
>Let couple guys through into meeting room while working on lights outside.
>Catch a glimpse inside as I finish up
>They're all just playing MtG
I really don't get when and what work gets done in these office environments.

>>212924639
Not only do available Vacation-Days vary wildly between jobs in the United States, but Americans consistently make more money and have more disposable income than you do.

>>212924808
None of that is Residential. Nobody "lives" there. That's primarily a Highway Interchange.

>>212942442
You live in a state where they ask questions when you call out sick? Loser.

>>212919203
>all these techbros doing mental gymnastics to justify their egregiously inflated salaries

unless you're a fucking programmer you can just teach your boomer boss to click on shit. computer skills are hardly skills
you IT workers and excel button pushers are just as useless as EBT niggers, arguably moreso.

>>212940571
>listen to this meme advice
>ask a friend who is a contractor if he knows any guy asking for an apprentice
>he describes to me an electrician that is very chill, barely works and is amazing at what he does
>I trust him and start working with him
>after a week of getting used to each other, he starts showing his true colours
>he works me off for 7 hours per day, most of the times without a break
>if I wanted to eat something, I had to eat with the rotary hammer in my hands
>the guy was a borderline alcoholic, I'm talking about drinking beers and whiskey at 9 am on an empty stomach
>he was screaming at me for things he did wrongly, blaming me for every broken tool in his bag and the occasional bamboozle of telling me to go search for the ladder in a 6 floor building with no elevator and the ladder was next to him
>the saddest part is that the money wasn't even good for the job I did
>tax free, illegal money means I keep them all, right? well yes but actually no
>sick day? you don't get paid if you don't work
>want to visit a doctor? too bad, you pay a day's salary for a 15 minute visit because no insurance
>an accident would mean both of the above at the same time
Before you say that it was just a bad boss and I should try again, let me tell you that I stuck with him for 4 months, and during that time, I met half a dozen more trade workers that were also chewing off apprentices like they were expendable force. The only exception that I met a group of workers working with respect for each other, was a family business of plumbers.

>>212939411
Usually, the average worker would move up after a year or so to L2 and from there on branch on into either more IT related work or management. She stayed L1 for 10 years and did absolutely fuck all - didn't remember anything. But the way the company was set up back then, there were yearly raises going 10-20%, so she was basically getting decent pay for doing the simplest shit.

>>212920040
>>212921121
i worked in a state government and had nonstop work as an accountant and i hated useless admin people. if you're perceived as being too important or doing too much everyone tries to involve themselves in what you do to justify your position but in reality they're just rubber stamping shit. the most basic shit requires a meeting of at least five people who just socialize with each other and while you're quietly waiting for them to regurgitate what you already know you have to do but because theyre involved they can feel like they made an important decision.

>>212919203
Improoovers who get bullied by management.

>>212947036
>you can just teach your boomer boss to click on shit.
You'd think so but boomers really need our help.

>>212939609
That's why I play ps1, dos and some ps2 emulators on work. All works and passes the day faster.

>>212914107 (OP)
This is why the west is falling. China doesn't let people slack off or have decadent bullshit jobs that do nothing.

>>212924808
I dont think you understand how big America is, we have those areas every so often on the interstate to give people a chance to refuel their car or grab something to eat. They look soulless because they are 100% function only. Their purpose is to cram as many services into one area for highway travelers

>>212929221
Buy my course and find out the secret :)

>be piece of shit bum
>travel the US during my 20s
>begin working random jobs in my 30s
>all the management and 'higher ups' are sheltered children with no real experience in life
>dance circles around them in sales and management style
>apply to a job that looks like some corporate hellscape
>ignore all pretense of applying for job, use entire application to tell HR the humiliation ritual is dumb as fuck and that I didn't want to work for the company anyway

I'm a teacher so some days are slow other times I'm working my ass off for several weeks straight. At the end of it though I get three months of vacation time a year. I usually just spend a lot of time and money fucking whores in the summer.

>>212914725
West African phenotype, kys

>>212939797
no one cares except you

>>212914107 (OP)
i can get away with this sometimes, i'm at work right now and i just browse 4chan all day since i'm in a room all by myself. sometimes people pass by but they cant look at my screen from where the door is so i can easily alt tab

>>212914107 (OP)
I think if you do IT at a place that has no other IT people you can do that.
Flip side is you could also work your ass of and they fire you out of the blue because they don't know that servers need maintenance or something.

>>212922229
Biggest faggot larping ever, I worked as a night audit in a hotel for 8 years, and the job was pretty gruling during main season since we had to prepare the seminar rooms at night, carrying tables...chairs.... sometimes for 5-7 hours a night.

good thing was during holyday season you had 2-3 month of downtime were you could totally chill and were done with your work in 1-2 hours.

I had so many new people complain during offseason that they are bored etc.... but once there was actual shit to do they all quit because they could not handle the heat.

So be careful what you wish for and better enjoy your braindead wellpaid job for as long as you can.

>>212915477
it's still amazes me how corporations actually managed to psyop their workers against their own best interests

>>212949407
I thought you could easily fire people like that in the USA, why would they keep her on?

>>212955889
No, you obviously don't understand anything about working in the US and only know the propaganda you're given by your state-run news.

>>212914107 (OP)
literally me

>>212955889
We're not in the US. We're in Europe.

>>212915545
>his human rights are being held hostage by a mafia extorting him for $720 a year

im a neet and get decent neetbux and i never got ppl who live in such a country but do a job that takes 10 min of work per week or whatever, at that point you are basically a neet, who inherited money.