y-you too

>so yeah we mobilized 200k men and they did too, just to have a quick stroll to Kerak and hash it out by talking. 30 million gold pieces well spent

>If I don't see you before Easter, have a good one.

>People consider what was poorly made slop at the time kino now
A dark timeline

>>212919648
the only people who hate KoH are a) /pol/tards who never even saw it but just assume all Christians in it are evil, or b) extreme historical accuracy autists who are mad that some characters were made up

>that's right, cocksucker. Go back to New Jersey

>>212919671
Sure because everone else loves Orlando Bloom in it.

>>212919189
youre a moron. because of his condition Baldwin never should have rode there, Baldwin has nothing to lose and no choice but the fight. Saladin knows this not not a bluff, its not even a threat, its a fact that if he rode here in his condition, he's commited to fight. On the other hand, Saladin has the option to retreat.

this is why in modern movies characters have to recite every thought of theirs to the screen. Its because morons like you exist, who cannot understand why characters do what they do unless they literally explain it to the camera (which i think is explain in an earlier scene when baldwin decides to ride )

>>212920695
>he's committed to fight except he asks Saladin to retreat, therefore he's literally NOT committed to fight

You and what army?

>>212920764
>AI slop

>>212920695
>because of his condition Baldwin never should have rode there
yeah he was gonna make it to a ripe old age otherwise

Salam Aleykum

>crusades

Ah the original die for Israel psyop

>>212921224
the crusaders killed jews doebeit

>current year
>retire
>retire in Damasacus
>retire in Damasacus and actually spend the rest of your life chilling
sounds cool desu

I can't believe Saladin continued to destroy the west through mass migration. Truly a visionary genius.

Troy was the swan song of the historical epic, this slop was its death knell

>>212922100
you might want to look up what "swan song" means

>>212919142 (OP)
This never happent.

>>212922100
>Outlaw King (2018)
>The King (2019)
>The Last Duel (2021)

Obviously Napoleon was a letdown but good historical epics are still a thing just more of a rarity

>>212919142 (OP)
>under this mask my face looks like a pizza

>>212921178
Ilike-a Salami

>>212921826
He was not that successful and muslims didnt give a fuck about him. Most of them actually hated him, and his legacy would be forgotten if not Christians of the west hadnt write fanfiction about this guy for hundreds of years.

>>212922305
t. Guy de Lasagna

The coolest part in Dante’s Inferno in what I’ve read so far was how Saladin wasn’t sent to hell but got to just chill in the pre-1st layer painless waiting room out of respect God had for him

>>212919142 (OP)
l genuinely love Bloom and Neeson's scenes and think of them often

>>212919142 (OP)
I will send you my physicians.

>>212922215
Is this formation historically accurate?

>>212922383
The few scenes with the king are good too.
>When I was sixteen I won a great victory. I felt in that moment that I should live to be one hundred, now I know I shall not see thirty. None of us know our end really, or what hand will guide us there. A King may move a man, a father may claim a son. That man can also move himself. And only then does that man truly begin his own game.

>>212922100
Centurion, Black Death, and Ironclad came out early 2010s. Gladiator 2 and Napoleon sure tried their best to kill it off though.

>>212922424
Unironically yes.
Real medieval battle lines are at most 6 to 12 men deep. Any more and the guys in the back are not only useless, but would actually more prone to flee.
Real medieval battles are thin lines that stretch for kilometers and not a square of thousands of dudes.
As a ruler you want thin, looooong lines to encircle your enemy, not a thick blob where 80% of the men do nothing besides watch themselves get surrounded and flee.
The back lines would be swarming with messengers going back and forth with orders and reports.
Of course that would be annoyong to film.
Pic rel is considered a skirmish or small battle.

Ridley Scott is a hack.

>>212922305
>muslims didnt give a fuck about him. Most of them actually hated him, and his legacy would be forgotten
This is shia headcanon. Saladin remained relevant regardless of the christians sucking up to him.

>>212922551
And this is why they got absolutely crushed by Mongols. The medieval warfare doctrine was disaster against them.
>>212922458
Great scene. Baldwin handed Saladin his ass in his youth, but they never fought again IIRC, he had already passed away when the events of Kingdom of Heaven is taking place. (Which are just some of decades of events condenced into months or so).

>>212919189
all war ends in negotiation

>>212922613
He directed the best film of the 2020s thus far. You don't know what you're talking about

Have you come to kill me? Even these days it is not easy

Did American schooling cover any of the Crusades for you? Fucking hated how I had to learn about all this shit years later or from Age of Empires as a kid. Can’t make Christians look cool so 2 months of Holocaust curriculum.

>>212922667
To Cairo he was Kurdish Sunni conqueror. To Damascus he was Christian-weaaboo sharing bed with the enemy.
He was hated and its the main reason muslim world didnt unite with him, it took decades for him to get blessing for Jihad. Sure, they got Jerusalem and held it for laughable 5 years when Richard Lionheart pushed his shit in.
And after that the Mongols destroyed everything else left from the muslim world.

>>212922748
>Can’t make Christians look cool
but they lost

>>212919671
I would people think this about king of the hill?

>>212922771
So did Achilles, he’s still cool.

>>212919671
You're way behind the times, /pol/ now hates Christians and is a mixture of neopagan/occultist and Nietzschean atheist

>>212922748
The Crusades have been painted as negative for quite some time now in Western schools, it's another example of Europeans being mean to innocent browns who just wanted to live in utopian peace and harmony

>>212922767
Shame they didn't destroy Islam, too.

>>212922832
Crusades are painted negative because you never reclaimed the Holyland.

>>212922898
Islam accomplished far too much to be easily destroyed, it's the religion that went to war with both mighty Rome and Persia and came out victorious

>>212922914
Crusades would be portrayed even more negatively had that happened, it would be pointed to as another example of Western colonialism. The West is already blamed for all of the Middle East's problems as it is.

>>212922678
unconditional surrender says hold my beer

I'm reading a Baldwin biography and Balian was basically an idiot. Casting Orlando Bloom was a great choice

Who says I raid?

>>212920739
No but the situation afaik is where saladin out to fight in jerusalem domain, jerusalem army had their supply depot in kerak while saladin out from his territory without access to nearby supply which if they truly fight it will ended up in disaster

>>212919189
Better than them all dying?

>I pray you retire
Yeah me too dude. What did he actually mean by this? It's honestly really nice to say that you're praying someone's life will go so well that it's a long one and they get to spend their last years not working and just doing fun stuff. When you think about it, it was a weirdly out of place comment, especially directed toward the person who's supposedly your mortal enemy. Was that what it was about though? Did he just suck at king shit, so he told his enemy that he hoped the dude would retire, because him continuing to pursue his career goals was making his life difficult? Never got this.

Everyone always hypes up the director’s cut of this movie but revile the theatrical cut. Does it really improve the movie that much? Or is it one of those things where everyone today pretends to like the movie because there are simply no other prominent Crusader films

>>212923589
Definitely the latter. It's funny because the people who are into the film are borderline illiterate.

>>212923589
i don't know the whole fiasco but iir the boy leper is removed in the theatrical version so basically it jumped straight to sybila crowning guy

Why would anyone go to Damascus anyway? Really cringe of him to say that

>>212923589
It's definitely an improvement, I never liked this film on release but watching it again a few years ago I watched the DC and felt like it was overhated.

>>212922898
They almost did, but to Mongols: religion was a tool to use and rule. They wanted to establish trade route, not to kill every single peasant (which they did sometimes too ofc). So in the end most of Mongol rulers converted to Islam, like they did to Christianity, Buddishm, etc. in other parts of the world. Tengirism was their found religion.

What would've been really nice to see was the Mongol Crusades to Jerusalem, but the Pope said no.
Now that would been disaster to Islam.

>>212924515
Jerusalem's not on a steepe idiot

>>212924573
Neither was East-Europe, Middle-East, China, Manchuria, North-India either.
What's your point?

>>212924620
Eastern Europe and Manchuria are the opposite ends of a steppe. Go read a book dipshit.

>>212922670
>And this is why they got absolutely crushed by Mongols. The medieval warfare doctrine was disaster against them.

euros absolutely crushed the mongel by going all in on heavily armored knights and stone castles aka the standard euro doctrine jacked up to 11

>>212924894
>euros absolutely crushed the mongel
and by "absolutely crushed" you mean "the khan died and the small expeditionary force that was sent to Europe was recalled"

>>212919189
You wouldnt understand. Mid mindset.

>>212919671
>the only people who hate KoH
Orlando bloom ruins every movie hes in. The thing is fine except for him, and he has 80% screentime.

>>212925109
He really is the least interesting person in the movie

>>212925040
no i mean random low lords deleted an entire invasion army by themselves before the royal army even had time to show up and do something

they prepared for the second invasion by putting all their eggs in heavily armored knights (instead of lightly armored ones at first) and stone castles (instead of wood castles at first) and ruined them so hard it caused a crisis because all the lords started to ask what they needed the king and his army for if they can do everything themselves

>>212924894
It was the castles that did it. Mongols rely on hit & run.

>>212919142 (OP)
Anyone got the
>skibidi toilet
>toilet skibidi
version of the greeting webm to post on wsg?

>>212919142 (OP)
>i pray you retire
Did the Outremer even have a social welfare system for older people?

>>212925238
yeah...and knights like i just fucking said. why try to """ackwually""" me? they just doubled down on what they saw actually work during the first invasion which was armored knights, stone castles, and i think crossbows

>>212924703
I accept your concession.

>>212923561
>>212925259
You guys are killing it

>>212925362
What's the deal with tax policy?

>>212919142 (OP)
The crusades against the ottomans would make for a good movie, it’s crazy how much euros fucked up nicopolis

>>212922551
I meant the armament. It's weird to see such a battleline armed only with longswords.

>>212925133
> Like his grandfather before him, many nobles accused him of inviting the Mongols into his lands, due to his perceived ties to the Cumans.[51] Possibly more disastrously, the invasion was fended off by local barons and other magnates with little help from the king. After proving their military skills, the efficiency of their fortifications and armed forces, and their ability to ensure the safety of their subjects to a greater degree than the king or his dignitaries, various local elites expanded their net of supporters and deemed themselves entitled to rule large regions of the kingdom. The crisis brought to light the king's lack of significant military resources and inability to compensate for such via political skills.[52]

>The heavy losses suffered by the Mongols in this war, combined with their defeat in Poland shortly after (though they did successfully re-vassalize Bulgaria between these expeditions), contributed to the lack of major Golden Horde operations in central Europe outside of the 1280s.

>>212924894
Heavily armored knights were fucking horrid against Mongols. Stone castles could not hold them, they had best siege weaponry on the planet.
>>212925238
They really didnt, castles were highly ineffecient and the last place you wanted to be against them. Mongols were not so 'hit and run' per se, more like 'run-and-ambush'.

>>212922551
This is a cool picture do you have anymore like this?

>>212925872
>Heavily armored knights were fucking horrid against Mongols. Stone castles could not hold them, they had best siege weaponry on the planet.

youre literally a fucking retard and all your historical "knowledge" is a meme. i cant believe youre so fucking stupid but so confident about what youre saying

see >>212925133

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Mongol_invasion_of_Hungary

>>212919189
Yeah you right, they should have waited for them to march on the capital and then rallied the troops to defend.
Fucking retard.

>>212926121
you don't have to sign your posts here

>>212926025
Imagine invading Hungary. What would you even be after? Flavorless fish, sour cream, and paprika?

>>212926163
imagine an entire country of babs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Palvin

>>212926257
>>212926163
the art of the invasion shows them literally stealing women

>>212926327
>>212926257
>>212926163
they were after our anime waifus. no wonder they fought so hard to push them back...

>>212926377

>>212920777
You people are far more annoying.

>>212926025
Now read about the first invasion.
How about read a book?

>>212926257
What even are Hungarians? They sure as hell aren’t Central Asian

>>212919142 (OP)
Why did this old movie get so much attention in the last few years?

>>212922932
lol Islam fought a dead Roman Empire, the Aryan Sassanids were the main Roman problem in the Middle East.

>>212922422
>Jews opening the gates for Muslim armies in Levant & Spain
>Jews fighting alongside muslims during Siege of Jerusalem in First Crusade
Muzzies being inbred retards isn't a pure jewish trick

>>212926543
There was a tiktok meme that used a clip

>>212926025
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Kalka_River

Look how good the best army made of French Hospitallers, Knight Templars and Heavy Cavalry was against Mongols.
Complete disaster, and they were outnumbering them 4:1.

>>212926531
they had lightly armored knights and wooden castles during the first invasion. are you a retarded nigger?

the second invasion is a lesson learned moment where they went all in on what they saw work against the mongels, stone castels and heavily armored knights

youre a retarded nigger and you should at least learn when to shut the fuck up you idiot lol

>>212926538
they are literally steppe guys who got all their women stolen and driven out of the east and went into the pannonian basin and became all hapas in a single generation and in two or three generations where "whites" but still with a lot of steppe customs

>>212926598
>this old cope again
Islam took on both of these empires, the powerhouses of the region, with a rag-tag army of desert nomads, and btfo both of them

>>212926642
Thats it? Just a silent gif?

>>212922805
>neopagan/occultist and Nietzschean atheist
Ate you posting from 2019? None of this is in vogue anymore.

>>212926695
Rome was fucked before Islam was even a real religion you fucking goon.

>>212926706
Of course not, there's more to them, but that particular bit of him raising his hand is usually how they start, or what they focus on

>>212926791
I'm posting from 2025

>>212926799
You didn't have to actually reply with more cope you know

>>212926650
>Templars and Hospitaliers... in fucking Ukraine

>>212926877
Nigga, this is clearly rage bait. I haven't seen sincere pagan occultism on 4chan since fucking ironpill posting. I dare you to try quoting something like Savitri Devi these days without being called SAAAR.

>>212927089
Convenient to dismiss every anti-christian post as "ragebait". No, this sentiment is just very common on /pol/, but it's only logical for a board like /pol/ to reject a religion which branched from Judaism in favour of traditional European religions

>>212927089
>I dare you to try quoting something like Savitri Devi these days without being called SAAAR.
Of course, the board hates Indians. Quote something from the Eddas and nobody will bother you.

>>212927332
Post something from the Eddas and they'll say it was written by Christians, you larp Skyrim, and Odin was gay.

>>212926650
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Mongol_invasion_of_Hungary

is this a joke? what are you talking about? it was a bunch of lightly armored peasant slavs vs mongols

are you just pretending to be retarded? there were no french hospitallers, knights of templars, or heavy cavalry used. did you just hope that no one would actually look?

>>212926820
Damn. Is the movie good?

>>212927422
The growing atheist subset of the board might say that, but you'd have just as many pagans defending them. Christians on the other hand have been thoroughly marginalised on the board and are considered golems of the Jews who worship a Jewish rabbi. Christianity never had a chance of lasting on /pol/ or 4chan in general, and a lot of it was due to facebook boomers who came here during the election.

>>212922832
Oh yes, better they just don't mention them in school. Because if they do 'it's the Crusaders were so evil in trying to respond to the "mostly Peaceful" spread of Islam and capture of 2/3rd of the Byzantine Empire.'

>>212926695
Willfully ignoring the almost 30 year Byzantine-Sassanid war where the two empires smashed each other just in time for the Muslim armies to come out of Arabia and pick up the pieces.

>read/pol/ claim the crusades were a justified defensive measure
>find out Islam conquered the region trying to be reclaimed some 400 years before the first crusade

>No more shines, Sally

>>212924894
ah yes, the famously strong chinese fortifications that completely stopped the mongols in their tracks

>>212928256
no, the stone castles and armored knights that deleted a major mongol invasion from existence so easily that they didnt even have time to actually muster their entire strength against the mongols before they were already fleeing for their lives and dying in their retreat from the fear of facing them in battle anymore

retard

>>212924620
absolutely stunning levels of retardation here
>eastern europe
until you hit the swamps and forests in modern day belarus/northern russia yes its 1 giant steppe
>middle east
the iranian plateau is mountainous but mesopotamia is incredibly flat
>china
northern china is a giant plain around the yellow river and southern china was a backwater jungle at the time so it fell in line with whatever the north did
>manchuria
again, literally 1 giant steppe
>north india
the very northwest corner is mountainous, but once you get into india itself, the north is deserts and a huge river plain around the ganges.

>>212928355
yeah those stones castles that got razed when the mongols invaded hungary certainly stopped the mongols
and those heavy cavalry that could do nothing but watch as horse archers shot their horses out from under them certainly taught the mongols a thing or two!

I know you're a baiting retard but europe was a backwater shithole compared to china in the 11-1200s and the mongols pretty easily conquered fortified chinese cities, especially once they hired on chinese siege engineers. iran is a giant mountain range with just as many "stone castles" as europe and the mongols didn't struggle at all in conquering that

>>212928517
>During this event, members of Queen Elizabeth's household launched a spirited and effective sally against the Mongols, while she watched from the safety of the walls of Buda.[39] Talabuga's forces encountered great difficulties with the density of fortifications and failed to capture any castles or fortified cities.[40] However, they caused major damage to the civilian population, and raided as far as the Danube. Local Hungarian forces fought the Mongols in many defensive battles, for which the king had promoted several lesser officials who had distinguished themselves, including George Baksa, Amadeus Aba his relative, Peter Aba from the clan's Somos branch.[41] The armies led by Roland Borsa, Amadeus Aba, George Baksa, and Peter of Sáros were able to disperse the invading forces and rescue most of the prisoners. The Trascău fortress, defended by the Székelys in the Arieş region, withstood multiple assaults by the Mongols.[42] Talabuga's army was constantly ambushed and harassed by local forces. His weakened army retreated before the army of Ladislaus IV, which had amassed on the western bank of the Danube. Other sources also state that Talabuga's army was defeated in a head on battle or that Talabuga signed a peace treaty with Ladislaus before retreating.[43][44] According to Tudor Salagean, the invasion was repelled by mostly local forces who received little help from the king.[45]

>>212922305
>anti-Christians of the west hadnt write fanfiction about this guy for hundreds of years.
fixed

>>212928107
You can only believe in the “defensive” narrative about the Crusades if you think Christians have a right of sovereignty over the Holy Land, and obviously they don’t considering most of them support Israel.

>>212919671
i just thought everything regarding its plot was boring. the cast was too good for me to care so little and its probably because bloom's entire arc and story ate up so much runtime and meant nothing. I think back to the scenes where hes building waterlines in the dirt and wonder why they made that movie about him when it was obvious from the get that the real captivating stuff was related to jerusalem, not bloom. ridley scott sucks at directing man.

>>212929281
>>212928107
>its ok when their holy warriors do it
>its not when our evil aggressive colonizers do it

>the levant was christian (without being forced with a holy war) and got jihaded by foreign invaders
>christians finally come to take it back
>"no thats not fair and youre just being bullies"


what? muslims went ape shit over like 10% of the earths land mass with holy wars but christians try to take back a few hundred miles of their holies cities and its against the rules now?

>The 'knighthood' buhurts seething when Mongols completely dominated them on the battlefield
Deus Vult in your sleep?

>>212927444
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica
>This guy thinks 4 Princes go to a war with only peasants
lmao

>>212929721
>According to James Chambers, Henry's force numbered at most 25,000 troops, most likely less, and had a large number of untrained and poorly equipped men, sometimes with no weapons other than the tools of their trade.[9] Lesser trained forces included an army from Opole under Duke Mieszko II the Fat; Moravians led by Boleslav, son of the Margrave of Moravia Děpolt III; conscripts from Greater Poland; and volunteer Bavarian miners from not long before established town of Goldberg (Złotoryja). Henry's better trained troops were his own gathered in his Silesian realm, mercenaries, and very small contingents of French Knights Templar and other foreign volunteers.[7]:97–99

Historian Marek Cetwiński estimates the allied force to have been 2,000 strong, while Gerard Labuda estimates 7,000–8,000 soldiers in the Christian army.[citation needed]

>>212929833
>>212929721
>>A contingent of Teutonic Knights of indeterminate number is traditionally believed to have joined the allied army. However, recent analysis of the 15th-century Annals of Jan Długosz by Labuda suggests that the German crusaders may have been added to the text after chronicler Długosz had completed the work. A legend that the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order, Poppo von Osterna, was killed during the battle is false, as he died at Legnica years later while visiting his wife's nunnery.[10] The Hospitallers have also been said to have participated in this battle, but this too seems to be a fabrication added in later accounts; neither Jan Długosz's accounts nor the letter sent to the King of France from the Templar Master of France, Ponce d'Aubon, mention them.[11] Peter Jackson further points out that the only military order that fought at Legnica was the Templars.[12] The Templar contribution was very small, estimated around 68–88 well-trained, well-armed soldiers;[6] their letter to the king of France gives their losses as three brother knights, two sergeants and 500 'men'—according to their use of the term, probably peasants working their estates and thus neither better armed or trained than the rest of the army's infantry

>>212929833
>>212929862
HAHA Go ahead, move the goalpost.
I- IT DIDNT COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TEMPLAR BROS WHERE WE AT????

The fact is Europe got absolutely dominated and had to reshape and re-think how they do warfare after the first Mongol Invasion. You can cope how much you want, but if Gengish Khan had not passed away in that eve moment, Europe would look completely different today.

>>212929929
>had to reshape and re-think how they do warfare after the first Mongol Invasion

right youre exactly right. they rethought their warfare by focusing on heavy knights and stone castles like i already told youre retarded ass multiple times. you just have this fantasy in your head that isnt even internally consistent

and yes the entire mongol army defeating literally a couple dozen knights, very likely the only knights in the entire army, isnt a massive achievement

did you even read the comments that i took out of the page you yourself linked me?

the mongols lost. they couldnt take europe and europe perfected its castle and knight warfare. what exactly are you trying to get at? mongols couldnt even keep their shitskins lands that they actually did conquer

>>212919142 (OP)
Why did he betray the magician community?

>>212930075
Why in the world of fuck you think heavy knight is good against mongol? Its literally the worst fucking thing, their light cavalry beat them every time.

>>212922215
>>212922215
>>The Last Duel (2021)
>good
>historical
>epic

>>212930194
>Why in the world of fuck you think heavy knight is good against mongol? Its literally the worst fucking thing, their light cavalry beat them every time.

because im talking about what actually happened historically and not using my own arm chair warrior logic like you you fucking 60 iq retard. youre a fucking IDIOT and everything you say is wrong you psude nigger moron

>. The light cavalry that made up most of the Hungarian mounted forces had proven ineffective against the Mongol troops, though the few heavily armored knights (mostly those of the Knights Templar) performed significantly better when engaged in close quarters combat.[6]
>well-trained knights of the western type, where previously Hungary's defenses had relied almost entirely on wooden castles and light cavalry.[8] In 1247 he concluded a feudal agreement with the Knights of St. John, giving them the southeastern borderland in exchange for their help in creating more armored cavalry and fortifications

> Sugar, p.27: "The majority of the Hungarian forces consisted of light cavalry, who appeared 'oriental' to the Western observers. Yet this army had given up nomadic battle tactics and proved useless when facing the masters of this style of warfare. Hungarian tactics were a mix of eastern and western military traditions, as were the ineffective walls of clay bricks and palisades. Two elements of the Hungarian defense had proved effective, however: close combat with mass armored knights and stone fortifications".

>>212922932
It's a shame other muslims would go apeshit over a movie of the islamic conquests. I think the story of some illiterate middle-aged dude in some desert cave, uniting the entirety of Arabia under one flag and banner (something no one else could do) then with himself at the helm becoming the dominant cultural and military power of the middle east, would be kino.

>>212930877
They only have an issue with depicting the Rashidun because they are considered sacred. They’re ambivalent on Umayyads too and probably wouldn’t depict them either

>>212930383
And they still lost every battle, disastrously.
The Moscovite Heavy Cavalry fielded was a disaster, and they were best the Europe could raise.
Why? Because one Mongol had 3 horses, and heavy cavalry in the West was used as shock troops, not as mounted warfare as the Mongols. They just tired the heavy cavalry out, by retreating, wounding the horses and then you had a tired flat-footed piece of shit noble begging for mercy.
Knighthood lost.

>>212922100
shit taste

90% of all templars were accountants

>>212919142 (OP)
Nah blud rly aura farmin fr fr :skull:

>>212931784
>>212931938

whats the point of even responding to you, you just keep saying random wrong things

>and they lost every battle
no they won and sent the mongols packing, western europe was untouched and only the fringes of eastern europe was taken and then just temporarily. random local lords of hungary defeated an entire invasion of mongols on their own using heavy knights and stone castles. you just keep ignoring this and pretending the opposite is true

youre clearly just some shitskin who has a hang up about knights.

feels like im in 2005 with all the "knights werent actually real" cope

right. knights werent real and were simultaneously evil invaders of the levant who lost (but all the battles they did win like kid lepers and chad kings BTFOing saladin didnt happen)

>>212932053
Literally Poland survived by sheer luck, East Germany got conquered and everything from Kiev to east was Mongol vasal state.
You make me laugh HAHAHA

>>212932053
hahahhaa
fucking retard yid doesnt even know why the wars were fought to begin with

>>212932144
>>212932167
>you make me ACK-

>reddit spacing salagrimnigger has another melty KWAB

>Yeah I won't marry your sister and secure peace for Jerusalem and rule wisely and instead hand her off to a French retard who will ruin everything because...
>Um because...
I hated Orlando Bloom's character with the heat of a thousand Foreman Grills.

>>212920695
>I'm obviously not actually going to fight myself and neither are you, but because I brought my army here just like you did, that means I'm totally serious about this battle and you're not
>Better luck next time!
Get some sleep Ridley

>>212928517
>I know you're a baiting retard but europe was a backwater shithole compared to china in the 11-1200s and the mongols pretty easily conquered fortified chinese cities, especially once they hired on chinese siege engineers. iran is a giant mountain range with just as many "stone castles" as europe and the mongols didn't struggle at all in conquering that
And yet which group succeeded in stopping them? Which turned them back after fairly minimal incursions and which came under their thumb entirely?

>the bodyguards of salarymen from the roman church

>>212932239
this would be funnier with only one caption

>>212932183
>>212928692
>>212926025

is this the only war hungary has ever won in its history? can non-whites not even overcome 15% white people?

>>212932289
no its funny because trebuchet sounds like it could be some dumb french womens name but they should have substituted texting with something more period appropriate

>>212928517
>I know you're a baiting retard but europe was a backwater shithole compared to china in the 11-1200s and the mongols pretty easily conquered fortified chinese cities, especially once they hired on chinese siege engineers. iran is a giant mountain range with just as many "stone castles" as europe and the mongols didn't struggle at all in conquering that

as the other anon says. china lost to the mongols and even the retarded backwater of europe (who other europeans didnt even consider europeans) won

what does that say about your opinions and the ability of the mongols and europeans?

>>212925516
A bunch of them have halberds. Also that's specifically Agincourt where they have all their knights dismounted and sat out as bait for the French to get bogged down in the mud.

>>212932053
reminder that el cid was alive during the first crusade and we got cheated out of kino because he had to stay in iberia stepping on cockroaches

>>212930383
>asian style warfare of hungarians loses to the first mongol invasion
>they change tactics and copy western military tactics, specifically heavy knights and stone fortifications
>absolutely BTFO second mongol invasion

>this means that the west lost to the mongols and that knights didnt actually exist to r/asianmasculinity

imagine if they had actually tried to take real europe. they knew better than to even try and just turned around lol

The conventional understanding of the crusades comes from this angloid byzantinist called Steven Runciman who wrote a three-volume book about the crusades in the fifties that became the go-to text to read about the crusades in the anglosphere, and also elsewhere. He hated the latins with the fury of a thousand suns, dindu'd the byzantines at every corner, and romanticized muslims mega hard even though the muslims themselves were kinda eh about dynasties like the seljuks. Like imagine if that redditor Bertrand Russell wrote history, that's fucking Runciman.

Christopher Tyerman has a fantastic book about, among many other things, all the ways Runciman destroyed the possibility to think and talk about the crusades realistically for decades titled "The Debate on the Crusades, 1099-2010".

>>212922771
Eventually

>>212925872
>Heavily armored knights were fucking horrid against Mongols
Heavy cavalry and crossbows are the hard counter to horse archers.

>>212933641
its unfair to bring up the siculo-normans. their power level is too high

>>212921178
Arkham Asylum to you too.

>>212926706
No it would be several clips from other media popular in the third world of characters being cool or "aura farming" as the kids say, like the Peaky Blinders guy, Ragnar from Vikings, in rapid succession. Baldwin is one of the short clips. The format was used pretty flexibly, was basically "Do x *clip montage which means I'm like these cool people because I did x*"

>>212929449
>its ok when their holy warriors do it
>its not when our evil aggressive colonizers do it
Opposite of my opinion actually. It's literally as retarded as Guatemalans going on reconquista now over what happened on the 1500s.

>>212932144
so where are the mongols now?

>>212919142 (OP)
If I was Saladin I would respond by saying No U, and then have all of my archers focus Baldwin and his bodyguard.

>>212931784
>The Moscovite Heavy Cavalry fielded was a disaster, and they were best the Europe could raise.
lol what the fuck did you just say

>>212919142 (OP)
Most people think they were being respectful to each other but the reality was that it was pure shittalking. Baldwin was basically telling him that he was too old to fight and to piss off, and the muslim was telling Baldwin that he's a cripple with terrible doctors and that his own would be far better.

>>212933716
God I love those helmets. They're the greatest line of warriors the world has seen.
>Best Vikings in the world, mess with France so much they just give you Normandy in exchange for you converting and protecting against other Vikings
>Conquer England with a couple barons
>get bored and conquer and raid all over the muslims in the med
>form the backbone of the first crusades

>>212934446
quality bants

>>212928256
>famously prolific liars don't lie about their stuff
>ignore the fact they were conquered because actually they were better
>it's just incidental coincidence that europe wasn't

>>212926877
It’s ok to admit you are uneducated and don’t know what the fuck you are talking about Ahmed.

>>212922422
one of the best lines in the film, speaks volumes of the type of men these two were.

>>212935775
Aye. They were true Gentlesirs.

how was he so based?

>>212937242

Why couldn't we have a whole movie about Godfrey's motley band of crusaders?

>>212920695
Basically this.

>>212937801
Honestly i would like a rpg with this kind of setting with you leading bunch of merc during crusade

>>212922805
That's more like 2020. Nowadays it's a mixture of brown and yellow but mostly brown.

>>212926695
What islam did, was exactly what the US did during and after WW2.
They let everyone fuck each other up, and then picked up the pieces.

>>212924515
>Tengirism was their found religion
Something too based to survive

>>212938124
Closest we've got is Mount and Blade

>>212938124
wartales is pretty fun

>>212920109
he isnt that bad. he's servicable, just not leading man material.

>>212926449
AI isnt annoying, its just worthless

>>212927902
They were both weakened but they were still fielding large, proper armies that the muslims had to defeat. The muslims still had to be able to trash whole armies from the greatest military powers of the era. Its very impressive and kind of weird that this previously unremarkable people that there weren't that many of were in that weight class.

>>212926538
It's a complete melting pot of everything around it, but a lot of the germanic blood died off during ww2 so now it's slavic and turkic af with a lot of pockets of jews.

It's a nice, fertile, livable land but it needs to be recolonized.