Ari Aster, more like Ari Flopster amiright

>budget $50 million
>box office $181.3 million
Egg won

>>212936339
Nosferatu was so bad it made me never want to see a vampire movie again.

>>212936193 (OP)
Ari wishes he still had that 2018 hairline.

>>212936339
this guy is so lucky that Blumhouse went mad and delayed Megan 2.0 to the summer.

>>212936193 (OP)
Good it's a piece of shit.

>>212936193 (OP)
Hereditary has always been his one hit wonder. Each movie since has gotten progressively worse. This time I think it will really start to hurt him because Eddington is bound to piss off the Letterboxd crowd that identifies with the young white protestors in the movie.

>>212936660
Hereditary was shit too (as was Midsommar). he was lucky that horror audiences have zero standards.

Jews are slowly running out of their mojo

>>212936780
Bibi must have cursed them after they went against their homeland for woke points

>>212936779
Hereditary gud. Bergman meets early Polanski by an edgelord.

>>212936193 (OP)
No movie loses money in the long run

>>212936660
If his ideas can be summed up in a tweet, and various tweets don't make for an interesting plot, it's not enough for a movie.

>>212937639
anon it ends with the main character randomly teleporting into the attic and sawing her own head off, then random naked cultists. it makes the typical Saw film look as high-IQ as Se7en.

I don’t think he gives a shit

does it actually say anything profound/is there some interesting subversion (like everyone acting crazy but the ending twist is that its not about the coronavirus but about a zombie outbreak so everyone going crazy is retroactively justified)?

if all the film says is "boy 2020 sure was crazy and both sides were stupid" a la south park, then i dont know how worthwhile it is

>>212937686
the Bryne-Collette troubled marriage is really gud. Her psychotic break takes a surrealist turn, just so Gayster can show rows of ass in a long shot. Yes it's a ridic cult worshipping some demon that outsiders can't comprehend. A "metaphor" for why a family stay together when they're ruled by the demon of matriarch's mental illness.

>>212937750
>like everyone acting crazy but the ending twist is that its not about the coronavirus but about a zombie outbreak so everyone going crazy is retroactively justified
The ending twist is everyone went crazy and the AI business won while everyone was distracted

>>212936396
I'd make miserable demoralizing movies too if I lost all my hair

>>212937753
the fundamentals of the plot are just a series of "satan did it" asspulls. it was an accurate predicter of how his career would develop. he's like Eggers in that he just brainstorms scenes and strings them together because worrying about character or continuity is too difficult.

>>212936193 (OP)
Did my part, saw it opening day. Liked it, too.
Even if it flops I'm still thankful it got made and showed everyone how the world got stupid over covid.

>>212939072
i found the movie to be pretty therapeutic and funny

It all goes so downhill in terms of coherent messaging after he gets slapped by Pedro. I know it was intentional because the intention is to subvert the first third's messaging and make people feel hopeless. Cross stops nothing, and all the feigning of agendas by the mother in law, while all one hundred percent correct, is surface level because the agenda trudges on regardless, and actually incorporates cross as a lackey abettor, although unwillingly. The child trafficking angle was purposely conflated with gematria to disredit the uniparty ritualism exposed by Zachary K Hubbard. It's such tactful subversion, I have to give Ari credit even if people like me and you are the ones being openly mocked and made to feel powerless. The datacenters are 1 to 1 project stargate and all of the power they will require.
>The ending made little sense either.
To me, the messaging was showing how once you become a bur in the side of the powers that be, they will create pretense to fold you into the stewardship, albeit with zero agency. Baeu is afraid tackles similar themes.
>it's woke or something
Talk about the film without using binary and reactionary buzzwords. It's not a film devoid of nuance, it's full of it. I say this while also not feeling the messaging is anything but a blatant mockery for those with eyes to see and enough of an uncomfortable and jarring watch to push it down in the memory of anyone who just consoomed the media. It figures no one is talking about the film. There is only one thread on the board to discuss it. I hope it picks up steam just to dissect the demoralizing aspects..

>>212942143
interesting. hereditary is about a family with zero agency too

>>212942143
>dissect the demoralizing
I don't need his maze pretending to be some revelation of the method. he engages the public only as a mesmerist on behalf of TPTB, talking down to the public while pretending (at cannes) that he wants to be the olive branch for ~both sides. he brings nothing to the people's survival (which takes time + energy he's not entitled to as an energy vampire), just smarmy noise.

This is the issue with building a career off of A24 and Letterboxd zoomers, yeah they loved Hereditary and the girl from Midsommar was literally them but now they just want that over and over. I’m surprised he was even able to make this movie with all these big names after Beau Is Afraid scared the hoes

>>212943341
both of his first two movies made lots of money by accident so he is free to make himself look silly displaying his lack of real ideas.

Aster's career is pretty much over if this flops as badly as Beau. He will be begging James Gunn for DC TV work at this rate.

>>212936193 (OP)
Damn, should've mad capeshit, huh?

>>212936660
Hereditary was only good because he had the balls to decapitate the downie chick. Otherwise it was textbook A24 slop.

>>212943370
Beau had more real ideas than either of his first two movies and this new movie just seems to make people mad because he didn’t make antivaxxers all get their cocks cut off and fed to them

>>212936339
by far his worst movie tho
i wanna see eddington again

Zogslop? More like zogFLOP.

>>212943041
I will have to check it out. I just hate the horror genre, so I avoided it.
>>212943181
>he engages the public only as a mesmerist on behalf of TPTB
>just smarmy noise
Well, maybe I agree after all and should just say enough of the ritualistic humiliation through the false veneer of le high art and put this one to bed. I guess I become frustrated when I just see it shuffled off to the side after no discussion when it's films like this that simply muddy the water for the few of the masses that sat through it as well as act as a pressure release valve for certain subconscious felling they otherwise have compartmentalized under layers and layers of disassociation from reality. Thanks for making me feel a little less alone because that's all I felt after the credits rolled. Truly pathetic, Ari. Some of us see through your shell game.

>>212943556
>>212943690
These replies are indicative of anything involving the pressure release valve of the current zeitgeist being completely ignored in favor of reactionary, fleeting media nonsense. The second Cross goes from heartfelt and reasonable, even if you disagree on COVID, to American Psycho tier mania, it's clear this is a pathetic whitewash of any genuine and warranted dissent of the status quo foisted on everyone since 2020.

And notice how they have to throw in
>le antivaxxer got COVID, and indicativeevengot tested
>what a fucking hypocrite, republicans le owned
Truly infantile and it sticks out like a sore thumb. Every other issue was tackled devoid of uniparty nonsense, but they had to stick it to anyone hoping for a real catharsis on the complete power-grab mergers and aquisitions that was covid-19.

>R-slur
>F-slur

How did he get away with it?

>>212937827
>The ending twist is everyone went crazy and the AI business won while everyone was distracted
I don't mind this as the conclusion at all, but what grates at my psyche is what talking points/opinions are conflated with meaningless bickering... and I am not saying this as some left/right dialectic supporter.

>>212944274
You are such a reactionary pseud for thinking the culture veneer is anything but posture and pretense for people to accept worsening conditions in this circus of a panopticon

>>212944274
The father who says retarded is depicted as a low-IQ gun nut and cross says faggot when he starts to slip into mania. Nothing about this posture is in support of the language and archetype of character that would talk in that way.

>>212944274
Everybody says those words out loud in real life as much as if not more than the early 2000's, to make up for not being allowed to post it online. Even in progressive circles, funnily enough. The love saying retard and faggot because they're fun as shit to say.

>>212944360
>panopticon
jesus christ kill yourself you pseud fag

>>212944385
Rewatch the scene, homie. The son was discussing genociding his own kind.

>>212944440
>“Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that’s going on, ” Ellison said, describing what he sees as the benefits from automated oversight from AI and automated alerts for when crime takes place. “We’re going to have supervision, ” he continued.
What about this is not a panopticon? Keep projecting your lack of worldview.

>>212944455
I know, but is that how the average audience is going to perceive the exchange with his armory of weapons behind him at the dinner table?

>>212944474
>t.

>>212944540
Lots of people own weapons so they probably think he's a badass.

>>212944557
What a great save you spastic retard. Now pipe down.

>>212944585
I can admit it's just how I'm perceiving audience's interpretation. I very well could be wrong, but I think Cross' faggot does still stand as intentional negative characterization of the character.

I wish Antifa was as cool as they are in the conservative imagination.

>>212944385
Learn media literacy, the scene is played for huge laughs

>>212936193 (OP)
Never heard of it. Hairy Asshole is a hack who writes garbage, though, so I assume the movie sucks. Apparently this movie has something to do with Duh Vax™ according to everyone else in this thread so it is automatically steaming dog shit on a hot sidewalk. This nigga should kill himself for putting out so much worthless garbage. Hereditary was such a pointlessly demoralizing movie that it should be considered an act of self harm to purposely watch it because there is nothing positive at all you can take away from the film, a truly jewish piece of media if I've ever seen one. Midsommar was the single most shamelessly pseudo intellectual thing I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing, and I have absolutely no interest in subjecting myself to anything else this freak wants to inflict upon the world. Glad to hear he's flopping.

>>212936339
Eggers is so much better its not even close

>>212944756
I never said it wasn't, I'm just discussing the subconscious characterizations created by the choices.

>>212939165
That's exactly what Kubrick, the best director ever, did too. You're a plotfag and I'm glad I don't know you.

Now keep hiring Pedro Spiccal

Did anyone else find the first hour of the movie insufferable? Every single scene they are talking about masks. If this is what 2020 was like for you I feel bad for you.

>>212944873
NTA but Kubrick fucking sucks.

>>212944873
I'm glad someone else notices his role, much like Kubrick, as a deconstructionist focused on archetypes and societal motivations more so than spoon-feeding. It's the same people who can't see The Shining as a tale of generational, and societal scaffold-ed, sexual abuse.
>>212944955
I felt the first third was quite cathartic for someone like me and after he gets slapped by Garcia I was a foot out the door the entire time.

>>212944985
Keep planting the lies, zoomie.

>>212942143
so it's a "what if Beau had balls" but the movie ends in a bad place regardless

>>212945219
Exactly.

>>212944589
>pipe down
You really are a fag even got all the catchphrases down

>>212944955
>If this is what 2020 was like for you I feel bad for you.
Yes, seeing large portions of the country quickly turn into nutjobs pretty much ruined my faith in humanity.

>>212945410
And you compare someone with a worldview to a nigger from a show for niggers. But by all means, keep up the cope.

>>212944270
to me that bit was just more black comedy.
he's wrapped up in this nightmare of committing horrific deeds and he's in a panic trying to cover his tracks yet he now has the fucking annoying cough and those mobile phone alerts saying "your results are ready to view" etc.
I found it hilarious during the surreal shootout that he is also weary from just an annoying flu. I caught COVID early on in the pandemic and it was like a bad flu. It was a real thing that people did get sick from, including it as an annoyance during Joe's spiral of personal desperation was like Seinfeld humor in the middle of an R-rated movie.

>>212945528
>was like Seinfeld humor in the middle of an R-rated movie
Didn't work as well for me, but glad you enjoyed it.

>>212944270
LOL you're such a fucking cry baby dude

>>212942143
I loved it. A little long though, and I don't even mean overstuffed, just a slight bit of cutting on the artsy long-shots would've made this feels snappier and wittier, I always think of "The Departed", go watch that movie today, the editing is so snappy and almost cutting out of scenes too fast, it keeps the movie at the perfect pacing and it was a huge smash at the time. Like the scene where they investigate the cop car and they're all standing there, you needed one good shot of the black cop and then MOVE THE SCENE ON we get it. Still excellent movie though.
I loved the main theme of knee-jerk reactions. It's using real political discomfort to distract from the obvious underlying story (the data center being built) in the same way that real life politics is used to distract us all from the obvious underlying movements (any power grabs from any side, mostly the rich and connected).
All the bad things that happen are the result of making a choice based on bad info, or making a choice too quickly based on emotion or desire.

>>212945528
'rona was just relabeling flu and common cold.

>>212945781
>Get a booster, get two.

>>212945484
If the shoe fits

>>212945795
>I loved the main theme of knee-jerk reactions. It's using real political discomfort to distract from the obvious underlying story (the data center being built) in the same way that real life politics is used to distract us all from the obvious underlying movements (any power grabs from any side, mostly the rich and connected).
I agree with most of the sentiment behind this, it tackled the binary reactionary tendencies very succinctly, but how with a straight face can you say COVID was just part of the reactionary discourse when it was the foundation for the AI surveillance state? I am not trying a gotcha, just wondering if others did not see the blatant contradictions... again all of the Q angle I thought was tactful and really great criticism, but not all of the COVID push-back i can be defined as "right-leaning" or alt-right.

>>212945863
You are the only one espousing nonsense and ignorance while pretending it's virtue...

>>212945967
pontificate on this

>>212945976
So because I bring up the larry ellison quote, CEO of Oracle and the person heading Project Stargate, and I used the word panopticon, my perspective is null? How is shoving you head in the sand and telling anyone with a warning for what awaits down the river as pseudo-intellectual?
https://youtu.be/sQqQtgRdjZU?t=21

>>212946048
You talk like a fag and your shit’s all retarded

>>212946068
The "woke is dead" line of thought is just the rebranding of the same agendas with a outward facing PR spin that conservatives find palatable. Get over yourself and your fake culture wins, useful idiot.

>>212946048
this is scary. i hope JD vance saves us from this

>>212936193 (OP)
it's OK, it won't affect his career, he's jewish. The jewish analysts and journalists who were completely wrong about WMDs in the 2000s had long, successful careers and are still around today, talking about the threat of Iran. Expect many more movies from this guy

>>212946136
Lol, lmao.

>>212936193 (OP)
>>212936660
>>212943556
I'm convinced Hereditary was a fluke

>>212945950
Well I'd probably agree with you over real world stuff but I just treasure an honest and unique statement too much to nit pick over that personally, probably because of how rare a movie like this feels.
And I feel like a pretty perceptive moviegoer but I have learned to let things like this work in my subconscious for even a year before I draw many conclusions about it. I always miss metaphors and symbols first bunch of times watching something.

>>212946201
It was a low stakes project and normies eat horror up.

>>212946192
oh FUCK

>>212946192
well at least Trump is healthy and has full support of the party

>>212946213
Well I'm not here to convince anyone to hate the film. I just get frustrated when certain issues that are in such dire need of upheaval in the zeitgeist get painted with such a broad brush. Regardless, I agree it was at lest unique enough to be championed over the glut filler content. Even if I often disagree with the demoralizing quality of Ari's work, I will always look forward to his latest project since it's at least created with intention.

>>212936339
Aster:
>makes original kino that wouldn't exist without him

Eggboy:
>mostly does adaptations
>stands on the shoulders of other men because he can't come up with anything original and compelling
>2/3 of his short films were adaptations (Grimms' Hansel and Gretel, Edgar Allan Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart)
>2/4 of his feature films are adaptations (The Northman, Nosferatu)
>2/3 of his announced projects are adaptations (Rasputin, A Christmas Carol)

They aren't playing in the same league so Egg didn't win shit.

>>212946384
Nice try, Asster. Your flick fucking SUCKS you BUM and HACK

>>212946327
I don't know if you know who Eric Striker is, but that little motherfucker has made some uncanny predictions. He was talking about Trump doing amnesties before he even won the last election. Now Striker has suggested that they might get Trump out of the way, for health reasons or something, and put Vance in as President. Trump's political capital is completely spent anyway. Anything he does for Israel is immediately suspect because of his involvement in the Epstein cover-up, even normies can see this

>>212946095
You still sound faggoty using buzzwords. You aren’t as smart as you think you are. That’s all.

>>212946491
Tell me the buzz word in that reply, mouth-breathing faggot. You won't engage with the sentiment because you have zero perspective of your own accept to root for outside happenings as personal victories because you are a soulless husk of a consoomer.

>>212944455
word up homie doe frfr nigga

*except

>>212946340
I appreciate voices like you keeping me from getting too meek though, I don't wanna be like "look this is as good as we get anymore" lol but also if Aster did pull some punches or just realize near the end of production he wanted to lean heavier left or right in places, who knows, but this might be the perfect movie (heavy concepts, ultimately a lot of broad humor and self-indulgence smoothed into the more careful, nuanced scenes and themes... which is what Kubrick used to do!) to open a few doors in other artists' minds, get the more incendiary people making noise. I would be interested in seeing Lars Von Trier make an openly "modern" movie directly tackling specific politics, just for that strangeness and unique flavor.

>>212946538
gay

>>212946467
Eggboy's dialogue sounds like this but with homosexual dialect.

>>212946571
Yeah, in this age of fleeting media, it really is difficult to toe the line between cheer-leading bold takes or being solely critical because it's not true to a viewers personal vision/desires for the project.
>which is what Kubrick used to do!
I have felt this since I watched Beau. He really has a tact for gentile disclosure, although still prickly and manic enough to be off-putting to most audiences looking to just sit back and watch without much digesting. As you said, in a year, maybe I will have a plethora of more uplifting things to say upon more reflection, but this is my still fresh frustration from having seen it yesterday.

>>212944786
Filtered.

>>212946648
I accept your concession.

what should i watch after eddington? any other black pill kinos?

>>212946764
Chinatown if you haven't already seen it. It also has themes of sexual abuse and incest that were brought up through Stone's character.

>>212937654
You're right. Reminds me how Gods of Egypt was announced to have finally broke-even 8-years after it originally released.

>>212946764
Happiness (1998)

>>212936193 (OP)
thats too bad, eddington was his best film, RIP

>>212946726
I'll pay money to see any of his movies as blind as possible, I dig what he's doing. Part of why I might have the favorable glow of feelings from seeing this a few days ago is that I successfully avoided 95% of the marketing and teasers, the only thing I found diminished a little was the big M60 scene, I wish I hadn't of seen that frame in the teaser so I wouldn't have seen that, what a great gag to come out of a rifle shop with a 'Nam machine gun fully blasting.
Cheers to ya, we'll see more genius works before the world implodes, i'm certain.

>>212946764
No Country for Old Men,
Clockwork Orange,
The Ghost Writer,
those are my blackpill holy trinity lol

>>212946764
Miracle Mile
Paths of Glory
La Haine
Wake in Fright
Stalingrad (1993)

>>212943341
>I’m surprised he was even able to make this movie with all these big names after Beau Is Afraid scared the hoes
You have to remember he shot this a year ago with Joquain in the lead role and before Joker 2 was outright rejected by its audience.

>>212947026
>No Country for Old Men
>Clockwork Orange
>The Ghost Writer
None of these movies fill you with despair, the quintessential blackpill feeling. You should watch Miracle Mile to get some perspective on a real blackpill movie.
>>212946805
2nding Chinatown, it is incredibly blackpilling and uncomfy

>>212947149
I like my despair in teaspoons, not swimming pools. You're probably right but there's aspects of these movies I listed that make me feel bleak about daily life, not just hellish warfare or torture or something. The Ghost Writer in particular, all the modern clean devices and settings, and it's all about grotesque corruption, deception, and doom. Great movies imo

>>212943341
>now they just want that over and over

Turns out that marketing films with "From the director of Hereditary and Midsommar..." doesn't really work if the film is not similar to Hereditary and Midsommar at all.

>>212946201
>>212946229
Hereditary came at the early stages of A24's successful bait & switch marketing campaigns for their horror films. The trailers made the films look like mainstream horror, normies flocked to them and then were disappointed. Hereditary's CinemaScore was D+, The Witch had C- and It Comes at Night got D.

I think normies have caught on now. See: Bring Her Back only making $23 million against $15 million (plus marketing costs). If they see the A24 logo on a horror film, they immediately assume that it will be trauma drama slop with minimal horror.

watched the first 15 mins (pirate) and quit. I don't care what medium it is, books, games, movies, you can't open with 15 mins of boredom.

>>212936193 (OP)
Uh oh, better go back to making shitty, derivative horror slop.

>>212946805
>>212946912
>>212947026
>>212947045
thank you nice anons.

>>212947026
Glad I got to reply to ya, anon, it's fun when you encounter someone on the board who actually revels in the medium being used to it's fullest extent and doesn't just want to shit on everything. Sometimes the tenor here makes me even more jaded that I already am. I am also right there with you on going in blind. Now when I mark down one of his upcoming project in my watch later notes, I will always refrain from watching any teasers or trailers. Everything I didn't know was coming that was missing from the trailers enhanced the experience tenfold.

>>212947149
Yeah, the anon who asked will love Chinatown.

>>212947262
>Bring Her Back only making $23 million against $15 million (plus marketing costs).
I think the issue with BHB was how grotesque the violence actually is. Seeing a young boy chewing on a kitchen knife and fucking up his lips and teeth for 30-seconds is not exactly something the vast majority of people want to see or find entertaining. The actual violence in the movie is actually quite grounded and "realistic" compared to most horror movies, to its detriment.

>>212947262
>early stages of A24's successful bait & switch marketing campaigns
Forgot about that, solid point.

>>212947541
Normies didn't know that about the film when making a decision whether to see it or not. Only A24 and horror diehards saw BHB. That's why the CinemaScore was as high as it was (B+)

If normies had gone to BHB, the CinemaScore would have been in the F territory.

>>212936193 (OP)
How do people not want to watch a covid movie? Who doesn't want to relive that?

>>212947298
All great suggestions, but break it up with something like Falling Down, They Live, or The Master so you remember you are steering the ship amid the demoralization reality dumps on us all.

>>212947262
>A24's successful bait & switch marketing campaigns

I saw this movie because it looked like a No Country for Old Men neo-western.

>>212947720
I wasn't talking about this film in relation to their bait & switch marketing in the past. Learn to read.

>>212936660
Hereditary convinces me that the guy is a satanist

>>212947967
>Hereditary convinces me that the guy is a satanist
you can just check his early life to confirm that

>>212947967
>>212948062
Also look who wrote Rosemary's Baby

>>212948171
And who wrote and directed the film adaptation. And who produced it. And who was running Paramount Pictures when it was made.

>>212948171
Yes and a lot of stuff from Hollywood. Hollywood Jews are fucking evil man.

>>212948282
Isn't it weird that most satanic horror movies is directed by a jew? Even the latest one Longlegs.

>>212946384
Originality is a meme. You're never free from influence.

>>212948490
>The term Satan has evolved from a Hebrew term for "adversary" or "to oppose"

>>212948490
Most movies of every genre are directed by jews.

>>212944863
Doesn't matter. He's from a small town in the American SW and everything in the film is maximalist as fuck, the faggot kid is clearly played as the retard in that scene

>>212947967
Why? Hereditary is 100% about Jewish neuroticism as is Beau

Eddington seems really interesting but from the trailers I get that the left wing guy is da smart one the entire movie and you really couldn't get a worse guy to play that kind of character.

>>212950258
?

>>212950309
Pedro Pascal's character?

>>212950320
lol go see the movie if that's your impression of his character

People are still suffering from covid fatigue so making a movie about is this soon fucking terrible idea

Another flick with Pedro? I am so sick of him and his lack of talent.

>>212936339
One trick pony

>>212936660
Hereditary was only good because it was a remake of Rosemary's Baby with an A24 coat of paint

Kek. Based Ari.

>>212953983
The White Man the Cure!
Is the Virus. here comes

>>212953983
this shit was so ridiculous. is the implication that antifa has the resources to fly to a tiny suburb in new mexico and kill a guy who taunted them?

>>212955784
no lol

>>212956232
im actually so retarded, it clicked for me after making the post. the masked guys are paid by the solidgoldmagikarp guys to take out the largest threat to the building of the data center (that being joe). that's the most straightforward explanation. my bad.

>>212955784
this part is filtering so many people, the logo for the data center is on the private jet, but the fact that they're in a private jet alone should be enough to know that it's not actually antifa

>>212947489
This was a nice dialog to read between you two. Pretty rare to see on this board.

>>212948062
>>212948171
>>212948247
you christfags are hilarious
HAIL SATAN

>>212951176
It's not the fatigue, but Aster just doubles down on the fatigue with crazy theories of his own disguised as fictional snark. He never uses fiction to point out the source of the fatigue is from big govt & a captured media blitz trying to exhaust people into pandemic policies that benefit only the 1% and lackeys. Aster prevents criticizing the ruling elite with the circus.

>>212956361
agree that the film is focused a bit too much on the underclass, but do you not think that the film is ultimately about how the ruling class has the final say? isn't that what the epilogue sequence kind of shows? and the guy who makes it the most in the movie is brian, who is underhanded, he's an opportunist, he's insincere. he has all the traits that the modern bourgeois have, and he's rewarded handsomely for it. i think the movie does have an anti-ruling class angle but it is only shown at the end.

So are we assuming that Michael Cooke cant talk after the explosion? Or is he just being bribed into not saying anything?

Can't he expose alot after what he went thru?