>400m after 2 weekens
>363m budget
>needs 800m minimum to profit accounting theater cuts
>will be reduced to a crawl now
holy FUCK what a flopola!

i'm so tired of capeshit and i don't even watch it

>363m budget
Riiiiight

>>212955408
Anon you don't understand budget reveal redeem by India two year past! Bro you so cringe, man. How you know this before not now?

>>212954305 (OP)
>it needs 400 to break even
>it needs 600 to break even
>it needs 800 to break even
>the executives were expecting this movie to make a billion

>>212955446
>the executives were expecting this movie to make a billion
They were. And it didn't.

>>212954305 (OP)
James gunn already said 253 or so on. The 363 number is bullshit.

>>212955592
So it needs to make 500m just to break even. Oof.

>>212954305 (OP)
>will make more money in the US than thunderbolts (new avengers) did worldwide
Why is DC so powerful bros

>>212954305 (OP)
It was a bad movie. No amount of shilling could've saved it.

>>212954305 (OP)
>>363m budget
>>needs 800m minimum to profit accounting theater cuts
source:my fat ass

>>212955767
Superman is slightly more famous than Black Widow's kid sister.
That said, it still has to beat Fantastic Four, otherwise WB will be #2 again, as it has every year since TDK.

>>212954305 (OP)
is the media portraying this as a win or a box office bomb?

Kek. The gunntroons are melting down hard

>>212955825
>WB is the leading studio by market share in 2025 thanks to superman being a massive hit (and disney's imminent bail out by Trump)
Why are they so mighty bros? Who can stop them??

Restore the Synderverse

>>212955813
Jesus the amount of mental gymnastics in that fucking post

>>212955813
>Luis
Stopped reading
Go back to Mexico

>>212955908
The taco slingers seem to have a boner for this shitty flick.
Wonder why?

>>212955408
The reported budget is $225m for the film and $150m on marketing according to variety.
Considering how in-your-face this film's marketing is, that number seems very low. But even still, that would mean the film needed to earn $375m to be profitable. Theatres takes roughly 50% of the box office, higher internationally. That makes a pretty simple estimate of an $750m box office needed to earn a profit, assuming that the numbers are accurate and it didn't actually cost more, and wb take a full 50% of all theatre earnings globally.

At the moment it's struggling to reach $500m. I know maths can be hard but it's not complicated.

>>212955813
>it's made more money than a film from the 80s (unadjusted) and two recent horrendous flops
Woah, no way?!

>>212955881
>WB is the leading studio by market share in 2025
It was nice of Disney not to bully WB out of the first Summer slot like they did BvS.
But what does WB have left? Because Disney has plenty left including Based James.

>>212955813
>its going to gross less than its previous iteration that came out 12 years ago
>LOCKED

Why the fuck are these retards pretending this is a smashing success?

>>212955969
Oh lawd, it's autistic "marketing analysis anon", pulling more figures from his crusty asshole.
Go find a job somewhere fatso.

>>212955969
Based
fuck those gunnshills

>>212956015
Well, for WB, it's a success, which has been hard to come by with DC shit since the original Aquaman movie. It's actually performing somewhere around expectations for them.

>>212955969
>At the moment it's struggling to reach $500m.
it only had a 50% drop, explain how that is "struggling".

>>212954361
Everyone is tired of capeshit you fucking moron.

The point is, no one is tired of seeing trash like this flop. Fucking mid wit

>>212956093
Because its dead overseas and F4 releases Friday. There will be 10 or less people in each showing of Superman for the remainder of its run.

>>212956015
>Why the fuck are these retards pretending this is a smashing success?
The shills are being paid to promote the film. It's hard to promote if everyone is pointing out what a disaster its release has been. So here we are

>>212955969
You got it. I doubt that this movie gonna reach 600m, even 550m
Gunn still gonna push for Supergirl
I wonder if WB gonna kick him or keep him for a time

>>212956033
>get btfo
>seethe and cope

>>212954305 (OP)
why are you guys so obsessed with box office numbers? Are you getting paid ?

>>212956382
>why are you guys so obsessed with box office numbers?
wow what an insightful post, I can tell you must come here a lot and definitely aren't a faggot tourist with no understanding of board culture
because of you, we will do better

>>212956001
>But what does WB have left?
Superman brutalizing FF at the box office just like it did with thunderbolts (new avengers the movie, btw)

>>212956382
Because WB is so debt ridden that people have been saying for months that if Superman flops the whole company dies.

>>212956425
>board culture
get a life lmao!

>>212956530
This isn't enough of a flop to kill the company. But after Supergirl does even worse numbers with a much lower marketing budget, I imagine some serious changes will be in order.

Lol. 400m, but theaters take half the take, so it's really only made 200m.

Budget was said by an anonymous source to be 393m. And another source on 4chan said 200m marketing.

To find the break even, you multiply budget be 2.5, so the break even on the flop is something like 1.5 billion!

Just 1.3 billion to go!

>>212954305 (OP)
the main problem has been the international market, it has made 240M in the US in 2 weeks and it should have made 550 worldwide, now they'll get 650M at best.

India will save Superman

>>212956382
>why are you guys so obsessed with box office numbers
the original DCU got rebooted because of low box office numbers

>>212956578
there'll be no change. Gunn owns the entire DC Studio who is making these films

>>212954305 (OP)
The Gunnverse is still born.

>>212954305 (OP)
You’re wrong.
Stop spreading misinformation ok?

>>212955813
So even the best projections are doing the same as MoS? That's pretty grim.

I liked it.

>>212955813
>600M+ Locked
>eyeing 700M

Delusional that simply isn't how Box Office runs naturally work especially with international in the shitter and a Marvel property coming out

>>212957034
>Gunn owns the entire DC Studio
Are you fucking dumb? Gunn doesn't "own" shit. He's ceo of DC. That's very different. He can very easily be fired (though I don't necessarily think that will happen)

>>212956033
The marketing budget was reported as 125m, the production budget as 225m for a total of 350m. It’s made 235m domestic and 172m international. Studios get 60% of the domestic box office and 20-40% of the international (https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/093015/how-exactly-do-movies-make-money.asp).

Assuming they get 40% international that means this move has made a total of 210m. The studio needs another 140m to be profitable, meaning it needs about another 272m at the box office for a total of a 680-700m to break even. And to even make this movie be somewhat worth making it needs to make at least 750m considering they could have just invested the money in the s and p or even just put it in an account to collect interest and make just as much of not more money than using 350m to produce a movie that only grosses 680-700m.

So that anon saying 750m is pretty spot on, if they make any less it was a bad investment. You’re just ignorant and have no idea what you’re talking about. Cope and seethe retard

>>212957276
What about merch, product placement and streaming profit? Does this mean DCEU were built on a bunch of flops?

>>212955446
You're right anon, the executives were expecting this film would struggle to break 500 million.

>>212955446
All true btw

>>212957459
And it is

>>212957337
Yes, those are all other sources of income, but it’s impossible to say how much the movie contributes to merchandise and streaming revenues. However, studios are not going to release flops just so they can sell merchandise and and streaming subscriptions, especially considering if the movie flopped it likely won’t do very well in terms of selling those things. However, perhaps you are right in that you don’t need to account for how they could make more money form other safer investments like interest or the s and p because perhaps the money the movie makes them in merchandise and streaming subscriptions could make up for that. So maybe saying it needs at least 750m to be worth it is a reach since that isn’t accounting for how much extra merchandise sales and subscriptions this movie might lead too. However what is certain is that it must break even, which for this movie is 680-700m and it still remains to be seen if it will make that much.

Also keep in mind that I assumed 40% for the entire international box office, when in reality it’s between 20-40%. So the actual international take home for this movie could be as low as 34.4m. In reality it’s somewhere between that and 68.8m so I think it’s safe to say that this movie needs to make at least 700m to be worth it.

>>212957337
>What about merch, product placement
Toy sales, based on the DC movies, don't sell well. Kids aren't interested in Marvel and DC movies anymore. They don't like Star Wars either (except Grogu). The kids that grew up with Marvel in the late 2000s have grown up now. The new generation doesn't even know about Iron Man anymore.

Kids love Pokémon, legos, nerf, plushies, Mario, Sonic, video game inspired toys, transformers, toys based on cartoons, barbie dolls, etc.

>and streaming profit?
Streaming has never been profitable for companies except for Netflix, and possibly Amazon or Apple. The rest of the streaming companies lose a ton of money

>Does this mean DCEU were built on a bunch of flops?
The original DCEU was rushed by Executives. Snyder wanted to do a Batman origin movie first. But the Executives couldn't wait and rushed out Batman VS Superman.

>>212955813
Gunn will save the face depending on how the Fantastic Four performs, I think it will make less in the US but if that makes more worldwide Gunn is done, anyhow I think he wont make it to 2027.

Sneedertrannies?

>>212955813
Jeets seething lmao. Superman will easily make over 700 million which is very good considering how damaged the DC brand was. And fantastic four will hardly affect its legs.

>>212954305 (OP)
So it will only get to 500 million?

>Anons ITT: Superman wasn't profitable and the studios in trouble
>DC: *LAUGHS IN MINECRAFT AND SINNERS*
Enjoy ten more years of Gunn's DC, retards.

>>212954305 (OP)
Budget is reportedly net 225 million after sponsorship deals and whatever, but let's bump it up to 250 mil. The rule of thumb is 2.5x budget, so about 625 million to break even which it's projected to get past >>212955813

>>212957231
Fantastic four isn't going to badly affect superman's domestic legs. At the end of the day Americans would rather watch a well reviewed superman movie than a well reviewed fantastic four movie assuming it even gets good reviews because superman is a much bigger name. Disney shills/snyderjeets are vastly overestimating fantastic four.

Honestly, "didn't make too hot of a profit but renewed interest in a brand" is a perfectly acceptable outcome for Souperman.
Batman Begins only also barely broke even 375.4 million out of a 150M budget, which if you go by the x2.5 rule is also "just broke even".
The DCU is going to be fine.

>>212954361
it all ended for me, funnily enough, with endgame
I do find amusement in the jeets and the neets arguing over it though

>>212954305 (OP)
You got it wrong it had a budget of $636m

>>212955446
The math can be done to pretend it's a huge hit or a massive flop, depending on how you "adjust for inflation" and "factor in the marketing" and blah blah blah.
>when considering international markets it can get more complex
lol, Gunn is going to keep running DC and Snyder is done. They are friends and not competing with each other. Superman is the focus, not the fucking director.

This is all silly nonsense and tribalism over nothing important. Man in tights or man in tights.

>>212958159
You have the opinion of most people on Earth you bland brown retard. "I stopped watching after End(heh)game" is the most parroted shit on the planet. I know you're a child and I'm sorry for scolding you but this isn't reddit. Just because the top thread doesn't share your opinion verbatim doesn't mean you should repost your favorite reddit op here.

>>212957276
The 2.5x rule includes making back the marketing budget. It's based on blockbusters and doesn't work for, say, low-budget horror where the marketing budget is much bigger than the production budget. Your sums don't make sense, you're just double counting the advertising budget as part of the production budget.

>>212958812
They need to frame it as a flop. I'm sure WB doesn't give a fuck if it doesn't make a billion. It just needs to not lose money, which it's already achieved. Anything more is just gravy. They're not firing Gunn over this no matter what retarded math they concoct.

>>212954305 (OP)
>2 more weeks

>>212955446
No anon you’re right, they keep increasing the numbers and going nuts every time it keeps making money, it most likely won’t make more than 500 mills but Gunn broke these people

>>212957815
Kids don't give a shit about Transformers anymore either. The last few movies have flopped and Earthspark was dead on arrival.