Can we talk about Zack Snyder’s Justice League? The sheer fact that he not only got a second chance to release his full vision, but that it actually landed and resonated with a large audience, speaks volumes. That cut gave real emotional depth to characters like Cyborg and Flash and made the whole thing feel mythic and operatic in a way the theatrical version didn’t even attempt.
He may not be everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s fine. But I think he’s one of the few mainstream directors who consistently swings for the fences, whether it’s with big ideas, complex themes, or a unique aesthetic. That kind of fearless, auteur-driven filmmaking is rare, especially in the studio system.
Curious to hear what others think. Has your opinion on Snyder changed over time? Do you think he gets unfairly dismissed?

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>>213032061 (OP)
I just don't like Joss Whedon for being the archetypal male feminist basedjack

>>213032061 (OP)
>But I think he’s one of the few mainstream directors who consistently swings for the fences
>Has your opinion on Snyder changed over time?
He really fell off after this. All his movies have sucked since then. I loved Watchmen, MoS, BvS and ZSJL but his content since then has been pretty disappointing.
Whatever magic ingredient he had for his output before seems to be gone now.

>>213032061 (OP)
Absolutely, let's dive in. Zack Snyder’s Justice League is a fascinating case of an auteur reclaiming control in a system that rarely allows it. The fact that his version was even greenlit—and then embraced—is practically unheard of in modern studio filmmaking. It’s one of the few moments where fan advocacy, artistic vision, and timing aligned in a way that felt almost mythic in itself.
Your observation about Cyborg and Flash is spot-on. Cyborg went from an afterthought to the emotional anchor of the film, and Flash’s arc gained a sense of purpose and poignancy that actually justified his place in the team. And the operatic scale? That’s classic Snyder: slow motion not just as style but as reverence, like he’s painting with time.
As for the auteur angle—yes. He's polarizing precisely because he's distinctive. You can trace thematic throughlines across his filmography: gods and men, sacrifice, identity, and the weight of legacy. Even Sucker Punch, for all its flaws, feels like an earnest grappling with trauma and agency under layers of stylized spectacle.
Has my opinion changed over time? He’s definitely grown more confident in weaving emotion into his grand canvases, particularly post-Watchmen. And while I think some criticisms are fair—he can be heavy-handed—he often gets dismissed by those who mistake his sincerity for pretension. Snyder rarely plays it safe, and that alone makes him valuable.
If you're into the mythic tone and layered symbolism, have you looked into how Justice League maps to classical heroic narratives or Joseph Campbell’s monomyth? It's wild how well it fits

>>213032061 (OP)
>I'm sad, dark, an edgelord and have daddy issues
There, every character from Justice League summarized.

>>213032061 (OP)
I liked Zack's films as an Elseworlds type of thing and was curious to see how the overall story would end, but Wheldon's inclusion pretty much derailed everything and it's a small miracle the Snyder cut was even released.

>>213032106
Pretty soon every thread is going to be like this. Every post on every social media platform. It's coming. The horror.

>>213032061 (OP)
Snyder at least won at the end. The 4 hours cut its unironically comfy and who knows how that cut would perform in cinemas + he would not have the advantage of being compared with Whedon mess , meanwhile he released a version with no cuts and he put everything he wanted in that basket.
Personally find MoS mid BvSEU its DOGSHIT but ZSJL is genuenelly good.....until he shows that garbage from the knightmare at the end

>>213032179
this is the biggest reason why his BvS failed hard. Edgy superman vs edgy batman. There was no contrast

>>213032172
He surrounded himself with some pretty shitty writers with AOTM and RB. He’s simply at his best when he’s adapting and not creating original works. Maybe he could try his luck at manga. If Feige really wanted to make a splash he could have Zack spearhead the Avengers reboot.

>>213032061 (OP)
>That cut gave real emotional depth to characters like Cyborg and Flash and made the whole thing feel mythic and operatic in a way the theatrical version didn’t even attempt.
i agree except for that last doomsday scene with joker and shit. that was terrible. but i also assumed that was thrown in as a what could have been.
i didnt read anything else you wrote.

>>213032061 (OP)
Snyder deserves credit for basically forcing WB into a corner to finance his version. First by saying it only needed editing, then asked for 80 million to remake half the movie Kek.

>>213032061 (OP)
I don’t know how Gal shit the bed so hard in this movie. She was fine in BvS and WW. I considered blaming Snyder since he’s the director but everybody else did their part so all I can do is shrug.

>>213032406
They deserved it. JL2017 and the handling afterwards was a complete embarrassment. Hamada wanted a Supergirl, Batgirl, and Nubia trinity. If you thought Snyder was bad then holy shit.

>>213032061 (OP)
>Can we talk about Zack Snyder’s Justice League?
Do we have to?
>The sheer fact that he not only got a second chance to release his full vision, but that it actually landed and resonated with a large audience, speaks volumes
It didn't though. His "vision" cost DC far too much money in losses at the box office and they had to hard reboot their attempt at a cinematic universe because he was the wrong man for the job.
> That cut gave real emotional depth to characters like Cyborg and Flash and made the whole thing feel mythic and operatic in a way the theatrical version didn’t even attempt.
No it didn't. It was no better than the theatrical version.
>He may not be everyone’s cup of tea, and that’s fine. But I think he’s one of the few mainstream directors who consistently swings for the fences, whether it’s with big ideas, complex themes, or a unique aesthetic
He doesn't have any of those.
> That kind of fearless, auteur-driven filmmaking is rare, especially in the studio system.
It is, but he doesn't have it. He's a slop-lord of movie making.
>Curious to hear what others think. Has your opinion on Snyder changed over time?
No, he's still as much of a piss-poor filmmaker as when he started.
>Do you think he gets unfairly dismissed?
I do. He hasn't got dismissed hard enough. The man makes bad movies, exclusively. He's america's Uwe Boll.

>>213032295
Say what you will about the Whedon cut but that scene where they're all trying to restrain Murderman after reviving him and the Flash is like "lol leave murderman to me" and gets the super speed going and starts coming up around the side but then Supes notices him out of the corner of his eye and immediately lets go of all the other Justice Leaguers just so he can concentrate solely on heeming
Ezra Miller's faggot ass is still a great scene to me

>>213032483
It’s the accent. Being able to do an American accent is the litmus test for being an actor in the industry. I literally can’t think of another actor that’s a slave to their accent like she is. When he casted her for BvS he should’ve stipulated in her contract that she needs to at least learn an American accent.

>>213032061 (OP)
Superman was worse in the snydercut than in josstice league

>>213032061 (OP)
MURDERMAN, NO!

>>213032172
Netflix is just garbage. Even Scorsese failed at Netflix.

>>213032179
Yes but to be fair James Gunn also keeps writing daddy issues stuff
Maybe DC should stop hiring people with daddy issues.

>>213032604
That was a Snyder shot scene.

I enjoyed ZSJL aswell but I think it was a bit too bloated. I also didn't care much for some of the cheesy origin stories. Superman is what Snyder ironically enough does best. The other superheroes aren't portrayed in that same mesmerizing manner. I wish JL was more of a background thing to a Superman trilogy.

>>213035262
>Superman is what Snyder ironically enough does best
Sure let’s just ignore Batfleck

>>213035461
This. The only thing I liked out of the dumpster fire that is the Synderverse. I was against Cavill being cast because I saw him in Tge Tudors and knew he would be a charisma void. But I was all for it when Affleck was cast as Batman even though almost nobody was to the point there was petitions and even death threats over him being cast as Batman. I actually liked middle age Batman who after the Joker killed Robin he no longer gives a fuck about not killing criminals. I’m bored of Year One Batman. Why I didn’t like The Batman

>>213035461
Batman is easier to get right. He's inherently cool. Superman is difficult. Just look how hard Whedon and Gunn fucked up. You need to be extremely delicate with Superman.

>>213035461
>Sure let’s just ignore Batfleck
Wish that I could. Awful.
>>213035845
>Just look how hard Whedon and Gunn fucked up
>Gunn fucked up
Are you high? Gunn just did Superman better than Donner did.

>>213032061 (OP)
I thought it was infinitely better than Josstice League. Infact all Zack Snyder director/extended cuts are better.

ZSJL is a solid 7/10 and BvS ultimate is a solid 6/10

>>213032061 (OP)
>Can we talk about Zack Snyder’s Justice League?
No. Snydershit has no discussion value.
It's just:
>that shit is secretly not shit!
>no it's actually shit

MoS 5/10 for action only
BvS 2/10
JL 3/10

>>213035262
>>213035461
snyderman and batsnyderman are both terrible. Easily mogged by any other version, including Clooney

>>213037597
Gunn made Superman into a Fortnite character.

>>213038513
You have never read read comics

Man I really like the Snyder movies but sadly its over, just gotta move on

>>213039467
>sadly

>>213035262
Flash's suit was terrible in his own movie

>>213032080
Gunnjeets really still trying to push this meme

>>213032061 (OP)
I think its still bad at world building
>just make everything vaguely grey
>yeah just make them a little quippy
I'd like to see a cinematic iteration closer to the depiction and demeanor of the animated justice league characters - I've seen only clips of that show and know nothing about those superheroes on a real fan's' level but they're more interesting

>>213040434
it avoided being too grey or too quipy or too grimdark. the effect felt oddly realistic and balanced.

>>213032406
AT&T approved everything. WB proper resisted to the end including advertising the home release of the theater cut when Snydercut premiered

>>213040489
well it turns out WB was correct because the Snydercut lost money.