Seriously though how did they fuck this up?

>>213039408 (OP)
No plan

>>213039408 (OP)
They didn't even plot out a 3 film arc. They just knew they'd do a trilogy and didn't plan it at all, took a terrible script from a bonafide hack that laid waste to potential growth of the universe to retread old ground and remake New Hope and then Last Jedi scorched the Earth and salted the ashes by refusing to even try to take the story in a satisfying or exciting direction. Didn't even watch the third one.

>>213039413
But WHY would you spend 1 billion dollars without making a simple plan lol
Its just insane

>>213039408 (OP)
>starslop
grow up

>>213039408 (OP)
they're fine.
the target audience is aged 5 to 12 and for some autistic reason you're a grown man and think they are for you

>>213039447
Because they knew people would flock to see any shit that had the Star Wars title in it. Which worked because all three made over a billion.

>>213039484
Children didn't connect with them at all though. They alienated the exiting audience and failed to woo a new one. They didn't succeed on any level.

>>213039408 (OP)
disney has a problem with terrible writing
i think expectations got too low and they assumed they could do no wrong

They hired stupid, hacky, one-note directors. Then they acted shocked when it landed horribly. I have severe disdain for all involved, especially that fat fuck.

>>213039887
>especially that fat fuck.
don't talk about Rich Evans like that

>>213039408 (OP)
>kill off every Skywalker
>replace Skywalkers with Rey Palpatine
I hate hate HATE Disney and Kathleen Kennedy.

>>213039484
>the target audience is aged 5 to 12
and yet this target audience didn't give a fuck about it. star wars is currently a franchise entirely carried by gen x nostalgia

>>213039447
the second ever Star Wars film retconned who Luke's dad was.

>>213039980
Who do you think Palpatine was fuckin
My money is on that pale bald bitch next to him in the prequels

>>213040108
don't they make a point his son/daughter is actually a clone?
weird science-fiction obsession with making characters asexual.

They did that thing where they filmed unfinished movies and wrote them as they went. It never works. Peter Jackson only did this with the Hobbit films because he was forced to, not because he wanted to, but since those movies succeeded Hollywood now thinks they can just do it whenever with any director. Unfortunately, any director is not Peter fucking Jackson, so here we are with shit after shit after shitheap of franchise films, pushed out painfully like jagged turds.

Hopefully Hollywood will die soon. I will do nothing and win.

>>213039447
its fine bro we'll just play hot potato with the writing. its starwars bro we can do whatever we want

>>213039408 (OP)
by not letting rian have ix

They should have had the same guy overseeing all 3 movies like the OT.

>>213039980
I have no problem with Rey, she's a mary sue in a setting full of them. Luke is catastrophic.

>>213039408 (OP)
its like the united states itself, there was coherent plan beyond fuck white men

>>213040466
>Luke is catastrophic.
Exactly. There's no explanation for why Luke is a good pilot. Main characters like Han and Leia fawn over Luke like he's a god on their first meeting. He never loses a major fight. It's ridiculous.

>>213039484
Yes, of course, the target is little kids for this billion dollar megaproject.
Imbecile...

I like sequels because it made normies appreciate prequels more

>>213039498
They've made money, so they've succeeded.

>>213039408 (OP)
People.. This IP is for CHILDREN!!!!!!

>>213039408 (OP)
Reminder all nu wars is faggot shit

>>213040161
The Last Jedi is a masterpiece.

>>213040774
Wow. Good thing we aren't homophobic like you.

>>213039408 (OP)
By not making him a jedi. Search it within your heart, you'll know it's true.

>>213040896
Sorry nigcel the force is female.

>>213040557
I think it's fairly reasonable for a movie to give each character one skill that doesn't need to be further justified just as their reason for being around.

That said the explanation for Luke being a good pilot is that he's a space redneck who owns his own ship for whom piloting a fighter is a job related skill, plus him having the force. He also mentions he was planning on joining the imperial academy (presumably as a pilot) in a new hope and his shuttle can even be seen in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it background shot in A New Hope.

It's the equivalent of a WW2 movie having one character be an experienced mechanic because he got his start working on tractors and planned to join the military to be an engineer, and also has magic powers which boost that.

He then proceeds to go through a bunch of training, shocked by droids, made fun of by a troll doll and his hand cut off before he starts being good at fighting. That's more effort and patience than any modern media go to build a character through adversity.

>>213040935
Makes the shot actually make sense. No idea if something is cut because obviously the point of this scene is to show he likes spaceships and has one, but no one was going to pick up on that from this tiny look.

>>213040896
I was really surprised when I watched TFA and realized he was the bumbling comic relief.

>>213040948
>Trailer gave him a lightsaber
>Poster gave him a lightsaber
>SIKE, he's the gay friend supporting the queen Rey into becoming the only real jedi
This is just awful subversion meant to push "the force is a female" while ignoring a bigger potential by making a new black jedi, hitting two birds with one stone, but of course Disney fumbled that. They can't even do woke shit right.

>>213041005
But they are, black men are still men and thus evil and while they make for useful puppets the longtermgoal was always to ditch them.

Too many contributors made up the story as they went along with no idea where to take it or what to do with it.

>>213041031
Same energy

>>213039408 (OP)
Ewok absence - of course!

>>213041139
>I want all men dead
>St. George of the First Church of Fentanyl is dead too
>Okay maybe not ALL men
Kek, they still believe the BBC meme

>>213039408 (OP)
Prequels have been somewhat positively re-evaluated over the years so maybe sequels are just biding their time and the same will eventually happen to them.

>>213039408 (OP)
Well they threw away Lucas' ideas and didn't bring in the right people to properly flesh them out. And they didn't want to do anything different, they just wanted the big budget sci-fi action flick.

>>213039408 (OP)
bad and no creativity

>>213040948
i just assumed he'd be the main character. even watching it the first time around, i didn't properly clock that Rey is the protagonist.

guy has acting chops. Attack the Block was a bit daft, but he was solid.

>>213039408 (OP)
I don't know, but it's crazy. I was expecting something of a quality similar to the Pirates films. I even thought they would play it safe and hire someone like him. Or if they were a bit risky, get a Fincher. Even when they hired J.J. I thought it would be lower quality but standard. But I was not expecting them to let J.J. write. Then the 2nd film comes and they not only let a C lister direct (though that doesn't matter too much) but they not only let him write it, they read that utter dogshit script and say yes.
I think the whole problem was Kennedy producing. We never saw her produce by herself before, and after Indiana I think it's clear she is just completely incompetent.

It takes a special kind of retarded to lose more money than you make on a franchise because you keep losing fans by pissing them off.

>>213039447
I genuinely thought the studio had any sort of real involvement in producing for Lucasfilm rather than just being the wife of a producer. The fact they didn't hire professional writers to write the script and layout a potential series and then gave Rian Johnson and J.J. actual total creative control. Compare this to work Bruckheimer did with Pirates. Hired a competent director, good writers who he then tasked with sketching out the sequels, insisted on Depp for casting etc. He treated it like a huge blockbuster property. But with Star Wars they treated it like a YouTube originals series. Even outside the trilogy, the spin offs were a mess of disorganisation. Two prequels, a gazillion scrapped projects.

>>213039439
You missed out man the third one was some real dogshit . You thought the first two were bad clusterfucks they had nothing on the last one

>>213041412
>Prequels have been somewhat positively re-evaluated over the years so maybe sequels are just biding their time and the same will eventually happen to them.
Prequels are still shit, they just look a lot better because the sequels are THAT much worse. They're all still giant piles of crap.

>>213042007
Yes Reyansh, water is in fact wet

I only saw last Jedi in theaters and I legit saw people falling asleep

>>213039408 (OP)
They thought they could get away with whatever because it was hec*ing star wars.

>>213042050
>entire movie hinges on a chase in which neither side does a single thing to advance their position for 2 hours
How did anyone think this was a good plot for a Star Wars movie.

>>213039497
The Force Awakens made over $2b, if at that point you told Disney execs that the next two instalments will make $2.3b combined they would not have believed you.

Rise of Skywalker made $1b on a $416m budget, that's pathetic for the final instalment in a Star Wars trilogy.

>>213040040
And it was a miracle it worked out as well as it did

>>213039408 (OP)
They listened to OTards wanting a complete rehash

>>213039497
*technically worked

>>213041412
>>213042007
The difference in the sequels and the prequels is not just that the prequels are shit and the sequels are shitter. What it comes down to is the prequels are something interesting badly made, and the sequels are something boring made *really* well.
I.e. if you wanted to you could remake the prequels, recast everything, get rid of the awful CGI and wooden acting and basically fix all the shit stuff and you'd end up with recognizably the same movies but better. You could not do this with the sequels because they don't have any substance.

The difference in worldbuilding can't be overstated. People forget that the prequels pretty much invented what a jedi actually was. The originals didn't really lay that out all that well, the prequels took the jedi and turned them into the monastical robed monks people think of them as (which is funny because obi-wans 'im blending in here in sandytown' robes just became the default uniform of the order).
There's a reason so many properties based on the prequels have been made. As bad as the movies are, they genuinely try to world build and set up a universe you can recognize and follow along with. They are also explicitely not copying the original movies, but trying to do their own thing.

Meanwhile the sequels just don't do any worldbuilding or make any attempt to make sense but do just try to copy without thought, which is how we have things like the empire somehow just being the big bad again and the heroes being the resistance even though that turns everything on its head.

>>213039413
>Do I look like a man with a plan? Im like a dog chasing cars, I wudnt know what to do if I caught one!
-Rian Johnson

>>213039439
JJ Abrams just made up LOST as he went along. He thought you could do Star Wars the same way.
>>213040670
Like a con artist.

>>213039408 (OP)
>the dicklets are gonna watch regardless
They were right.

>>213039408 (OP)
JJ made soft reboot dogshit that couldn't sustain a sequel let alone a franchise
Rian tried to escape the pigeonhole JJ left the franchise in but sucked at it
JJ comes back to try to repair the damage done by trying to repair the damage he did himself. Obviously resulting in utter vomit.

no plan like everyone said but also a boring premise for a trilogy, rei is BAD female representation i would've been happy to watch a female protagonist! she's just so boring. making episode 7 a nostalgiabait rehash was the fatal flaw of the trilogy
>should've sourced from the extended univer-
no just fucking ditch everything. if they ever make a 10, 11, 12 I hope it's set centuries in the future where nothing we know about is relevant. fresh slate

>>213041736
the character had literally the only fresh perspective in the sequels too, an ex-imperial was actual new ground that was still referencing OT mythos

>>213040689
Maybe now, but the originals no

>>213039413
But enough about the originals

>>213039408 (OP)
The same way they fucked up the prequels.

SW is the OT, and the franchise started and ended there

>>213039413
The other two trilogies didn't have one either.

>>213039408 (OP)
>rehash of the OT
>not having a concrete story in place before making the movies
>last movie was trying to undo the damage of TLJ
>fuck up Finn

>>213039408 (OP)
Like many modern adaptions and reboots they couldn't decide if they wanted to wallow in nostalgia like a pig in mud or tell the old fanbase to fuck off because they're doing something new.
So they just did both.

>>213045134
OT didn’t have one at first since Lucas et al were only planning on making the first movie but got surprised by its success. The prequels definitely did have a plan. Note that this is not the same thing as adapting the plan partway through the trilogy, but there was a clear end goal in sight, namely showing the tragic fall of Anakin and the Republic. How well that was executed is another question

>>213043274
>The difference in worldbuilding can't be overstated. People forget that the prequels pretty much invented what a jedi actually was. The originals didn't really lay that out all that well, the prequels took the jedi and turned them into the monastical robed monks people think of them as (which is funny because obi-wans 'im blending in here in sandytown' robes just became the default uniform of the order).
I've recently started reading the Thrawn Trilogy and it's very interesting how the world of that series differs from the later Star Wars world as set up by the prequels. For example, the concept of the Sith did not yet exist. Yes, there are evil force users (always called "Dark Jedi") but there wasn't yet a parallel organization to the Jedi.

They forced the woke bullshit. Also those films are anything but memorable, episode 1 and 2 might be shit but they have some personality. These films feel like they were made by AI.

>>213046911
It's also a curiously human-centric world still. The humans just casually call all nonhumans "aliens". And our hero Han Solo is depicted as beeing racist against some of them.

>>213047329
What the FUCK. Screw Timathy Zahn. Just screw him.

>>213041412
What happened with the prequels was that they were still good enough as kids movies. And the kids who grew up loving them are now adults who remember them wuth nostalgia. Were the sequels big with kids though? Honest question, I don't know. But I don't think so.

they looked at the prequels and thought they could shit out literally anything and people would spend their lives defending them.

>>213039408 (OP)
>Seriously though how did they fuck this up?
Step 1: pander to lowest common denominator
Step 2: use goodwill earned from step 1 to let a hateful manchild use the franchise to work out his daddy issues
Step 3: refuse to acknowledge any criticisms or complaints
>>213039413
The plan wasn't the issue. Most trilogies don't have a plan going in. The issue is that the films were written with no regards to entertaining audiences

>>213047111
The Last Jedi is hated BECAUSE it tried to be something meaningful instead of hollow fanservice slop, and then Rise of Skywalker was basically an AI-generated movie trying to address complaints about the Last Jedi lmao

>>213043315
JJ Abrams was barely involved in L O S T. Blame Damon lindelof if you didn't like that show

>>213039408 (OP)
They took a well-established story and completely disregarded all of it

>>213039408 (OP)
They should have done more to appeal to children like the prequels. No Jar Jar Binks, no child main character, etc.

>>213039408 (OP)
Did they? How much money did they make?

>>213050114
>The Last Jedi is hated BECAUSE it's a terribly-written piece of trash, filled with plotholes, bad jokes, character assassinations and shit action scenes
ftfy

>>213050114
>it tried to be something meaningful
I honestly pity you, assuming you're not just baiting.
The idea that TLJ is even attempting to be meaningful can only be entertained if you have absolutely no frame of reference for anything that is meaningful.
TLJ is childish in all the worst ways.

>>213041412
after spending more hours than I'm willing to admit reading (((non-canon))) Star Wars books I finally understand the prequel politics, which all hinge on Palpatine and his motives.

Palpatine and his Master Darth Plagueis are attempting to dominate the galaxy by means of political manipulation. Plagueis is tied to the banks and uses his wealth to fund groups that will benefit him. As a political figure, and eventual Senator of Naboo, Palpatine focuses on manipulating the Trade Federation. On one side, he pressed Supreme Chancellor Valorum to impose taxes on the Trade Federation - this will strengthen the Republic by bringing in more credits. At the same time, this will offend the Trade Federation, who see this taxation as theft. During this time, Palpatine also secretly works with pirate factions (e.g. the Nebula Front) to have them attack the Trade Federation - forcing the Trade Federation to bolster their defenses, namely by getting a Droid Army. Palpatine, now as Darth Sidious, tells the Trade Federation to enact a blockade on Naboo, which eventually a) erodes confidence in Supreme Chancellor Valorum and subsequently gets Palaptine elected in his place and b) further creates schisms between the worlds of the Republic - who continue to see the Republic as a large, slow, bureaucratic mess. This eventually leads into Separatist movement which is explored in Episode II.

>>213039408 (OP)
chutzpah
they didn't think the chuds wouldn't gobble up their shit, after all ITS STAR WARS, nerds love that shit

>>213043726
The originals had a plan.
They had more than enough plan.
Something like a 400 page script that was enough for more than 3 movies.
FOX said "no we can only fund one" so George chopped up the script to make the 1977 Star Wars movie

The rest of the trilogy AND the prequels, are based on ideas from his massive original draft.

>>213050501
90% of the discourse surrounding the movie is manchildren whining that their childhood hero made a mistake and then suffered a crisis of faith in middle age, and their ideal replacement is the CGI homunculus from the TV show doing videogame shit. Which one is for kids?.

>>213050642
I forgot how entertaining reading your consistent seething over a competent jedi being competent is.
The only part funnier is how you ALWAYS try to pivot the conversation towards it so you don't have to white knight TLJ, because even you aren't stupid enough to try anymore

>>213041412
People often forget that while the EU and TCW did some work towards helping people get over their rabid hatred of anything prequel related, the lion's share that reversed mainstream opinion was disney themselves showing everyone how much worse it could be.
For people to "re-evaluate" the ST, someone would not only have to make something even worse, they'd have to do it in a way that's so mean spirited that people also despise the company more than disney and consider them a lesser evil.

>>213039408 (OP)
office women were in charge

is there a more factual/first hand comprehensive writeup other than whinging about "they didn't have a plan" and butthurt "sw fans will eat anything" I see in this thread?
I know there's a lot of insider movie blogs, but I don't read them and I'm too lazy to search

>>213050763
"Luke was sad and that hurt my feelings" will never be real film criticism, so sorry..

>>213050523
Why did RLM hate that Sheev manipulated events through "ordinary" means to make himself Emperor?
>reeeee politics and taxes and trade wars are boooorriiiiinnnng!

>>213051097
It’s because “they didn’t have a plan” is the second biggest problem with the sequel’s production. The biggest problem was hiring people who hate the IP to write the next installments. To use an analogy you’d understand, imagine you were hired to write for Richard and Mortimer. Would anyone be surprised if you had a dramatic tone shift and shat on the previous seasons?

>>213050523
>>213051411
Personally I think it's interesting that a universe as fantastical as Star Wars has all of these real world problems and that the Empire was formed simply by one person seizing political power. But I guess when you're a Gen X manchild (quite possibly the worst kind) then world building is boring.

>>213039413
This. I can’t believe Disney spent so much money to acquire a legendary franchise with a built in audience and just decided to fucking wing it.
And yet Wish was so micromanaged it suffered a traumatic death by meddling.

>>213051419
I don't give a shit about coprophagic analogies, I need more reliable data than overweight people seething

>>213051803
find it yourself then.
This is the most I can be bothered to give such a lazily condescending cunt like you.

>>213039439
> Didn't even watch the third one.
Same. The first one was basically a retread, but I thought maybe they wanted to prove to the old audience that they were picking up the reigns from the original trilogy and that the move forward would be a spiritual continuation both in storytelling and style. It opened some mystery boxes and set the stage for what the trilogy would explore. Then the second movie closed off every single possible plot line that the first had set up making Rey’s lineage seem anticlimactic, unceremoniously killing off the main villain, and essentially broadcasting to the audience that there is no plan by “burning the sacred texts”.
By the time the third came around I didn’t fucking care. I could pirate it right now and watch it for free and I don’t give a shit. I haven’t watched a single Star Wars property since then besides the Mandelorian.

>>213040439
Kid heard that one of the reasons they didn’t do that is because they didn’t want to give a single person too much power. I assume it’s a money thing.

>>213040557
>>213040466
t. Retardo samefagarossa

>>213051803
The “reliable data” is stuck in a file cabinet somewhere in Disney HQ and marked INTERNAL USE ONLY DO NOT PUBLISH. If you want to find your hands on it knock yourself out, otherwise this is the best you’ll get

>>213050642
>my nephew had a bad dream, better murder him
Great writing 10/10

>>213039408 (OP)
They didn’t. All three movies were wildly successful and also introduced a new generation of boys and more importantly girls to the franchise

>>213040896
I dont understand why people say this would have made more sense. For 2 movies there was zero hint that was he sensitive in any way.

>>213052217
>Had a bad dream
Willful misinterpretation of the events because you are mad that Luke wasn't a Mary sue

>>213039408 (OP)
by focusing on minorities and women instead of story in both the writers room and on screen

>>213051924
I don't believe you ever read any information beyond news headlines due to your use of "something shitting on something" idiom which I see only dumbest people use online
>>213052168
with sw popularity and number of people involved in production there is no way there isn't a dedicated least autistic fan that interviews some production insiders and publishes something resembling investigations, I'm just neither SW-dork to hang out on SW forums nor care about movie industry enough to participate in box office threads, so I thought people might have a link handy

>>213046911
Sith were mentioned in promotional material for a new hope.

>>213039484
For one thing, being made for children is no excuse for being bad. The Lion King, Toy Story, and Spirited Away are made for children, and they're great. Stop making excuses.
For another thing, no they're fucking not made for children. They wouldn't put billions of dollars into a project aimed at 5-12 year olds because they don't spend any money on movies (other than with their parents). Also they're rated PG-13 and feature people being violently killed and billions dying in planetary destructions.
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>213052305
Youre right, its better to save what we love than kill what we hate. Now stand back and i lick this dirt and go 9/11 some bad guys

I always thought it was funny how JJ kept tiptoeing around the prequels. Kind of felt like Disney wanted everyone to forget about them in the beginning

>>213041412
Nobody pretends that the Prequels were good. TCW is objectively a 2/10 movie with TPM and RotS being at best, when the planets align, a 7/10. But there's at least a plot and a greater message that's being shown. As well as showing us more of the galaxy. The Prequels had extreme lows but also amazing highs. When watching the Sequels however, I just get the feeling that the writers truly had no idea what they were doing with the films. There is no overarching plot. No greater message. It almost feels like the OT never actually happen. Everything just gets reset. The Empire is back, Han is a loser again, the Emperor is alive, an emo version of Darth Vader is having rage induced tantrums and the worst part is there no explanation as to what the fuck is going on in the galaxy. It's boring which is an amazing feat to accomplish because if there's one thing that the prequels are not, it's boring.

>>213052217
>i had a bad dream, better murder a room full of children and betray everyone and everything I know, and then choke my pregnant wife like a deranged lunatic
Great writing 10/10

>>213041412
The prequels were bashed due to awkward dialogue and focus on politics instead of being another hero's journey like the OT.
The sequels are bashed because they are simply stupid.

>>213052527
Gen Xers hated the space politics in the prequels so Disney decided to just ignore the wider galaxy. It really makes it hard to care about what’s happening.

>>213052532
Willfully disingenuous because you know you have no argument.
Also
>this thing is also bad therefore this bad thing is actually fine
You argue like a woman

>>213052576
No, the prequels were bashed because they had awful, terrible, low IQ writing, looked like a shitty GameCube videogame, had shitty acting and terrible dialogue, and retroactively ruined the original movies.

>>213052305
No, the thing is Disney Luke is not only an idiot but a lazy coward.
>oh no, I fucked it up 20 years ago, guess I'm to depressed to even try to stop a reborn Empire lead by the guy I traumatized
And then this guy has the balls to go
>YOU EXPECT ME TO GRAB MY LIGHTSABER AND FACE DOWN THE WHOLE FIRST ORDER
Yes you fucking should, even if it gets you killed because its your goddamn fault you crazy hobbo.

Whats sad is X-Men Days of Future Past already did the whole "wise mentor is now a broken man due to a mistake of the past" but done so much better its almost an unfair comparison.
Plus, the reason Professor X ends up a wreck is a perfectly in character reason, as opposed to Luke suddenly going full retard.

>>213039408 (OP)
Same way they fuck everything up.
Take a franchise that was created to appeal to boys and subvert it to make it appeal to middle-aged women.

>>213040138
TBF, the Hobbit did have a laid out story. The problem was somehow padding it out into a trilogy of three hour films. For the most part, I think Peter is too hard on himself because I definitely enjoyed, even rewatch those films from time to time. There's no denying how good the first Hobbit film was, and Smaug was chilling on the big screen.

>>213040557
What the fuck are you talking about? Vader cut off his arm, destroyed his beliefs, and sent him running in Empire. He would've been dead had Leia not discovered she was force sensitive.

>>213040557
What? Han thinks Luke is a dumb kid, and the first thing Leia does when she meets him is call him a manlet.
Then Luke has his entire naive, adventure craving personality slapped out of him by Vader, which forces him to wise up and start acting like an actual Jedi.

>>213040557
>There's no explanation for why Luke is a good pilot
1) There is
2) Somebody being competent, or even hyper competent, doesn't make them a Mary Sue.
3) Rey's hyper competency is the least of her problems

>>213040466
The problem is Rey never meets a challenge.
If they have a Jedi that within days is starting to learn things like mind tricks and such, then you'd think they were trying to have her go up against a powerful villain, something like Darth Nihilus or Abeloth.
Instead, not only is her rival a bumbling idiot who she beats in the first movie already, but she never does anything cool with her powers, she's still the same boring Jedi who just has some basic telekinesis and mind tricks.

What's the point of making someone hypercompetent if you dont even put her in any situation where she has to use those abilities?

>>213052737
Luke realized that all the Skywalkers have ever done is fuck up the galaxy. It makes complete sense he wouldn't get involved.

Disney lost me when they heavily implied that Palpatine’s force lightning is genetic.

>>213039408 (OP)
they are dumb talentless faggots

>>213039408 (OP)
They should have used one director for all three movies and their DEI casting and woke writing doomed it from the start.

>>213039408 (OP)
By making it happen at all

All Star Wars movies are really the same.

>>213039408 (OP)
They fucked up by making the protagonist a woman. Women can’t do the whole hero’s journey thing.

>>213053923
Skywalkers? It's only him and Anakin, and Leia was the only one leader that wasn't retarded and was fighting the Empire.

>>213054291
Yes they can, the japanese have done it plenty of times, its just gen x and millennials can't write for shit.

>>213047810
We should petition Disney to cancel him. Han Solo can not be allowed to be a racist!

>>213054324
Plus Kylo bro

DEI.

>female lead
>black sidekick

>>213039408 (OP)
They didn't fully understand the source material while believing they did.

>>213039447
Plans are for nerds, and nerds are nazi bigots.

>>213039408 (OP)
By making a woman the protagonist and letting women be involved in writing it

>>213039408 (OP)
They listened to Mike Stoklasa and Red Letter Media.

And it created the worst trilogy ever made.


Mike Stoklasa should pay reparations to George Lucas and all Star Wars fans.

>>213056808
This.

>>213056808
/thread

>>213039408 (OP)

Big modern Hollywood blockbusters have about 3/4 chance to fuck up.

>>213040670
LOL no Star Wars as a franchise is losing them tons of money for years. There is a reason why they stopped making movies and hide behind streaming. That Grogu shit is going to flop so hard people will be laughing about it for decades.

>>213040896
They ruined him the moment he became a pathetic quip machine Rey slaveboy. Becoming a Jedi would not save him.

>>213039408 (OP)
they made their gorilla nest and now they have to lay in it

>>213051411
>>213051618
One of his main criticisms was that The Phantom Menace relied too much of other media to make sense but didn't seem to realize that
>young kids at the time, like myself, didn't care, just just liked Darth Maul and Podracing
>older nerds, who actually had the time and money to read all the comics and books and play the vidya, could flesh out their understanding of TPM themselves
>the Clone Wars cartoon, which was intended for slightly older kids, also served this role

there are no good writers left in hollywood

>>213047329
GRAY LIVES MATTER

>>213057010
>Everyone on the Resistance base laughed and danced and farted late into the night.
Not without some poetry, I see.

>>213039408 (OP)

>>213057010
>Everyone on the Resistance base laughed and danced and farted late into the night

>>213057010
Fart fetishists are disgusting

>>213056808
Mike Stoklasa was right about a lot of things and wrong about a lot of things. He was right about the tone, wooden acting, and some of the plot points. He overcorrected insanely (probably for filler) and tried too hard criticizing aspects of the plot that weren't necessarily bad and claiming plot holes existed that simply didn't. Easily ~80% of the issues with the prequels and special editions are tone/execution related—especially the tone deaf slapstick garbage that yes is usually CGI and comes off like Tim & Eric jokes. Yes this includes Jar Jar Binks and stuff like Jedi Rocks (which to be honest is worse than Jar Jar).

This is why I hate Rick Worley. Like Mike Stoklasa he was right about a lot of things but when he tried to defend the tone deaf slapstick he came off like a total retard. The "for kids" excuse doesn't work because Lord of the Rings and especially Harry Potter are "kid friendly" and don't have anything so off-tone like that sorta shit. It's a lazy excuse. He also made a bunch of other bad faith claims and made copout arguments that basically amounted to variations of "George Lucas wanted it therefore it's good", which would invalidate most film criticisms but I digress.

>>213039447
>But WHY would you spend 4 billion dollars without making a simple plan
FTFY

Dual of fates(the planned third installment) seemed so kino and may have redeemed the series.

>>213058189
Honestly the root problems with both the sequels and the prequels is the same, producer incompetence. In the prequels they were just spineless yes men not ever challenging what Lucas was thinking and Lucas was writing the movie purely out of his ID wanting to write this giant intrigue without having any sort of experience with that sort of writing. The sequels were just done out of flat out arrogance with Kennedy assuming the money printer was going to be infinite and they could just let each writer and director stand alone. It’s weird that they didn’t just wait for Favrau, he literally had just proven that he had the patience to build a cinematic universe

>>213039439
>Didn't even watch the third one.
Its almost worth watching just to be amazed at how awful it is.
Don't pay for it if you can avoid it, and its not a good movie, but if you want to watch a movie with both hands on your head where you're just going "What? Why?" every 5 minutes.

>>213058841
Imma be honest the space horses running on the ship (yes I know that's the second film) and the giant uncreative fleet of thousands of Star Destroyers versus thousands of ships actually gave me a negative out-of-body experience. I was so baffled that it got that bad. The latter is the type of thing you think is cool when you're ten years old.

What's interesting is how NuStar Trek is actually paralleling the bad decisions of the Star Wars sequels. At the end of Picard season 1 they did something similar with a huge fleet of ships because apparently that equals "cool and good" or something. Zero nuance, artistry, or subtlety. It makes the cacophonous "too much shit going on at once" battles in the SW prequels seem tasteful by comparison.

>>213059136
The space horses were Ep IX as well. The thing that got me is that JJ Abrams was clearly VERY mad at Rian Johnson for the previous movie, and it is VERY obvious in the script

>>213059136
>>213059451
That species of horse gets introduced on the Last Jedi during the Canto Bight sequence. They escape on foot (in the planet) on those.

But the actual space horses running on Star Destroyers scene happens on Rise of Skywalker.

>>213059569
You're right, I stand corrected.But even the scene with the horses being freed in The Last Jedi was insanely bad.

>>213052715
>quoting Maddox the Cuck in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty five
Kill yourself.