>NOOO YOU CAN'T RESTORE LAW AND ORDER AND HAVE THE GOVERNMENT WORK FOR ALL FREE CITIZENS INSTEAD OF FEW RICH LANDOWNERS THAT'S LITERALLY LE TYRANNY *SHITS HIMSELF AND DIES*

What was his problem?

greed

>>213043592 (OP)
>actually giving away free shit to win votes from the plebeian masses isn't a good long term strategy and if this stupid shit wins out I'd rather kill myself than live in that rome

>>213043592 (OP)
Populism bad.

>>213043592 (OP)
>THAT'S LITERALLY LE TYRANNY
Yes that actually is.

>>213043592 (OP)
>So this is not defeat but some rare species of victory?

>>213043592 (OP)
The government should work exclusively for the benefit of rich landowners, the average citizen doesn't know his ass from his face.

>>213043592 (OP)
>senators literally murder people on the floor if they vote the wrong way
yeah, what's the point of voting then

The Chad Roman Empire was so fucking cool compared to the virgin Republic.

>>213043681
This nibba is 49 years old?

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>>213043592 (OP)
>literally named cato the YOUNGER
>died before 50
>cast a fucking geriatric in his mid 70s
This show was such utter slop.

>>213043592 (OP)
>Dude the armed literate landowning class that built this civilization and continues to maintain it should have the same voice as cabbage harvesters
Democracytards actually think like this, in the modern day it's even worse since they include junkies, ethnics, women

>>213043811
this mindset is why your congress is populated by 77 years old millionaires voting against your best interest while you will slave your life away and never be able to afford a house

>>213043811
And genuine retards

>>213043772
Hmmm mmmm Nmmyuiummm mmm no Tribune Veto exercised mmmmnmmm

He liked it one way. But it was the other.

>>213043936
thats why monachy was better

>>213043806
I think the showrunners had a personal vendetta agaisnt Cato and Cicero. Both stalward defenders of the republic, first know for being an absolute specimen of health and virlity made into an old frail dotard, second made it a sniverling coward anda fool.

>>213043772
GIVE HIM THE FLOOR

>>213043751
he's a young guy

>>213044048
it's called theater retard. You give characters physical traits to signal to the audience how they behave. Cato being ancient is because he literally believes everyone should live in ancient Roman fashion. And Cicero was always a slimy piece of shit, stop taking your facts about him from Cicero and instead look at what happened in his life.

And yes the "Republic" they upheld was Sulla's creation which he installed by killing everyone who disagreed

>>213044048
Next you're going to tell me Octavian didn't really fuck his sister.

>>213043936
Are you retarded? Who do you think keeps re-electing them?

>>213043592 (OP)
The real Cato was only a few years older than Caesar, HBO making him a geriatric to hammer home the message that he's in favour of old fashioned values is so retarded

>>213043592 (OP)
These retarded patrician nepo babies caused the fall of the republic. At this point they'd suffered through a century of political violence and civil wars all stemming from extreme income inequality, scamming soldiers out of much needed land grants and just in general taking a piss all over anyone not a patrician.
And their response to Caesar was doubling down on everything that caused their woes in the first place. If not Caesar and Augustus, some other populist would have quickly rode in with support of the masses.

>>213044628
When the fuck are WE getting our Caesar?

>>213043592 (OP)
Catalog pic kinda looks like Alien behind him

>>213043748
in a one on one the republic would literally rape and gape and cannibalize the empire for the eternal glory of rome

>>213044717
TAKEN LIKE A WOMAN

>>213045826
What a little bitch. Should have been made to wear a dress to match their female role

>>213043811
You would absolutely not be given the vote if suffrage was in any way tied to merit or ability

>>213045826
Just another day for the Queen of Bithynia.

JANNYTUS PRUNE THE THREAD

>>213046737
I REPORT THE OP! I REPORT THE OP!

But then... a janny's role has always suited you best.

>>213044062
Kek.

Could they not have made friends with Carthage?

>>213049093
Same situation with the US and Russia. This world isn't big enough for the both of them.

>>213044613
the "citizens" who united to get the supreme court to rule that bribery was protected speech.

>>213049744
Was it? It seemed more something like US and Europe. They're both prosperous with similar lifestyles, beliefs, etc. They can be friendly with trade, alliances, and competition. But in this instance it was jealousy, suspicion, and not wanting the other to overtake them and become dominant I guess

>>213043748
>reading Livy
>early Republic is just alternating between wars with the Volscians and the commons bitching about everything
Jesus Christ it’s so tedious

>>213050047
Sure, we break some balls here tonight, but we go way back. And in light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined by real civilisations, and not faggot ass child sacrificing cocksuckers across Mare Nostrum. They should fucking die!

>>213043592 (OP)
just an overly pedantic fuck who put his ego into his ability to follow tradition even in a time when his contemporaries were screwing over the public for their benefit. It's like Cato forgot the fucking Gracchi brothers were murdered for the Senate's bank accounts.

>>213044048
Cicero was treated respectfully from what I remember.

>>213044626
iirc, Cato even saved Caesar from drowning when both were youths

>>213050882
oh I was thinking of cassius, and it was from a shakespear play.

Cato even buggered Caesar in the butt when both were youths

>no one asked about the fate of Good Solonius

you're slipping, /tv/...

>>213043772
VETO THE MOTION

>Cocks

When you study ancient Greece you realize how everything that was based and cool about Rome was pretty much stolen from Hellenes, from the pantheon to architecture, to fashion - all Romans larped as Greeks and they were not particularly good at that. They're like americans who are desperately trying to be more like Europeans because they have no identity of their own.

>>213051923
When you find something good that works, no reason not to use it. The idea of having to be extra different and "find your own le identity" is how we get stupid shit like broccoli hair and zoomer speak

>>213043623
Considering their policies caused the end of the Republic what the Optimates supported was a much worse long term strategy.

If we're gonna take a stand against free shit lets start with all that land and wealth the ruling class inherit. That's free gibs too.

>>213043811
the problem was that the military arm of the republic was no longer based on being drawn from the middle class. it was now based on levies from italian allies and poor citizens.

it was impossible for the republic to continue when the very people that fought it's wars were not the people making the policy decisions(the basis of the roman republic).

>>213043811
I think growing all the food might have something to do with building civilization retard

>>213052328
no, it's controlling violence. that's why, especially in ancient times, political power was traded for military might(the entire reasoning behind granting titles like knight and lord).

>>213052328
Nice literal soviet union talking point you marxist faggot

>>213052170
You're old, stay mad

I don't think it's wise to import cheap labor force from ouside of your realm that only benefits the magnates of the society and severely worsens the job prospects of your native population.

>>213052415
Food is necessary for violence.

>>213052626
that's why they elected ceasar

>>213052785
He makes good salads

I would do my duty with Cleopatra

>>213044717
Hes in right now

Cato was buff for an old man.

Good thread this

>>213043751
he still gets carded, wouldn't you believe it

I like the Gauls. I feel like they’re me