>watch this because i was memed this was one of le greatest sci-fi shows
>first couple of seasons are just mediocre sci-fi shit
>last couple of seasons are just gay preaching by the writers how war and tribalism are le bad

I cant believe I was memed into watching this trash.

You probably didn't smoke enough weed

>>213048936 (OP)
thats nice chud, you can now go back to rewatching stargate for the 50th time.

>>213048985
is it really too much to ask for some good sci-fi without some kind of gay preaching by the writers?

>tfw you're too low iq to understand this

>>213049103
good scifi can't exist in an idpol society

>>213049112
tribalism is le bad isnt a very high iq take though

>>213049103
try Foundation ?

>>213049103
go ask grok to write you some fan fic then bitch

>>213049362
kek

>>213048936 (OP)
scifi fans take literally anything they can get these days. like a starving castaway sucking the moss off a rock.

>belters nuke earth and kill billions of people with asteroids
>somehow right after everyone learns to forgive and forget and hold hands together singing friendship songs like nothing ever happened

>>213049362
>>213049456
whats wrong with it? i dont know anything about it

>>213049553
Nothing wrong, it's hard scifi that has fantastic visuals, it doesn't lecture you about anything but /tv/ doesn't like it because there are brownies and fags in it.

>>213049510
Belters are not some homogenous group, retard. There's like 60 million of them and spread across tons of different factions. Marco's group is not everyone, and Marco's group died or was punished. They say this shit dozens of times but you're too stupid to get it.

>>213050262
You really think anyone would care to distinguish between them after seeing their planet nuked and billions dead?

>>213049103
>>213048936 (OP)
>sci-fi without some kind of gay preaching
what possible reason anyone would ever write sci-fi if not for gay preaching
the gay preaching is what elevates non-actiony sci-fi

There was gay shit in star trek too. Just ignore it. The actual scifi part of Expanse is the best in years and far from mediocre.

>>213049774
titty robot

>>213048936 (OP)
that's cause the show never got to where the books accidentally made galactic fascism look like the coolest and most level-headed option

>>213051105
Still would. We have AI, we have robotics give it 10 years and we'll have irl Demerzels.

>>213051184
There's still time. Someone someday can renew the show and it'd still work fine with the time skip

There's not nearly enough near-term scifi that just keeps humans in this solar system with relatively grounded technology.

murderbot isn't how I pictured it in my head but I'm a fan ef ebbaaaa
dropped it 3 or 4 episodes in

It's very rare to get a big long story like this that can play out slowly over so many seasons/books and actually have good payoffs

>>213053031
too bad the sneedspanse ditches that after the first two seasons and decides to go with magic alien bullshit

>>213053777
That's what drives the whole conflict though and is an interesting look into what humanity would do in such a situation. These people have spent generations striving for the things they're doing and suddenly a thousand free worlds pop up. A ton of people would rush out, a ton would try to sieze power in the chaos, and a ton of people would be suicidally violent to prevent the change as their lives crumble apart.

>>213053990
I just wanted a realistic setting in just our own solar system since most likely that's the extent we're going in real life instead of magic alien bullshit.

>>213054712
True. Something set like a decade prior so we could just explore factions in the system would be awesome. They're making an Expanse game that will seemingly be like that but also mass effect like

I want to see old man Amos

>>213048936 (OP)
Just finished watching it today. I think it handled well showing all factions to be equally bad.
Also, Amos is based

>>213056445
Going to check out the books?

>>213048936 (OP)
This show is distilled cringe. Small wonder Tom bailed.

>>213056651
Yeah, likely. I am interested to see how books differ from TV series. I saw on reddit that Drummer’s character wasn’t even in the book. Also would like to see book versions of Amos and Ashford, my most favourite characters form the seties

>>213056899
>book versions of Amos and Ashford, my most favourite characters form the seties
well youre in for a massive disappointment then

i love it and i'm honestly shocked such good show was made in recent times

>>213048936 (OP)
SGU>BSG>The Expanse

This is the proper heirachy of the grimdark sci-fi genre.

>>213057942
Expanse doesn't make the list; you have to be braindead and very woke to enjoy that crap.

>>213056899
Ashford is completely different and only in the third book. Show Drummer is a combination of like 3-4 people spread out through the series including book Drummer who plays a smaller role

>>213058086
Yes The Expanse is easily the weakest of the three but its got Amos and Drummer so its not a total loss.

>>213048936 (OP)
I'm halfway through the first book and the characters are likeable enough but overall it's kinda... Boring. I haven't seen the show but the Naomi I imagine while reading is hotter.

>>213048936 (OP)
It's far from perfect but the first two seasons are kino and it's still much better than other "hard(ish) SciFi" series, as far as I'm aware of. It's kind of the "one-eyed man is king amongst the blind" kind of deal. I really wished they trashed the "protomolecule" idea while writing the script to make this a real hard scifi series but oh, well, it's still bretty good in comparison. The other one worth watching is "for all mankind" but that show has lots of interpersonal drama that is a bit cringe at times but I would say it's even better overall than "the expanse" overall.
I can't wait for people uploading AI enhanced versions of series like making Naomi less annoying in the later seasons for example.
Also, enhance your experience with the ingestion of edibles for maximal immersion and to smooth out some of the rough spots.

There is only one sci fi series that truly sits on the throne above all. The name of the place?
IS BABYLON 5

>>213048936 (OP)
>read the books
>pretty good. enjoyed
>normies start talking about the show
>try the show
>it sucks compared to the books

>>213058427
No. Farscape.

>>213058319
Naomi and Holden are the weakest characters of the tv show. Like Naomi takes the top spot for worst character by a long shot but Holden is second worst for the sole reason that the actor isn't very good.

>>213058471
No. 2 imo

>>213058303
drummer is a woke dyke

>>213049103
I don't like woke shit but bro it's fucking sci-fi, this is a genre where that is almost unavoidable. If you think the show is woke let me tell you the books are way worse. Expanse was great because you could ignore the stupid shit and focus on the cool shit, like the fact that it's the only show that even attempts to depict space travel in a semi-believable way.

>>213050262
That other anon was 100% right, the remaining humans on Earth would have not stopped until literally every belter was dead. There is a 0% chance anyone would have been wanting to come to diplomacy, they would have genocided literally every single being in space and they probably would have nuked Mars if they got in the way too, even if it made the situation worse. You seriously underestimate the bloodlust of a people whose innocents have been struck in an attack, they absolutely do not care about whether or not some elements inside of the enemy are ambivalent.

>>213058734
That may be true but in her specific case it doesn't matter. Kino is kino.

>>213058734
I also forgot Bobbi. Bobbi is kino as well and probably has some the best episodes overall.

>It's a Naomi episode

Pls kill me now

It's a Bobbi episode

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>>213058853
the goy cattle of earth are not in charge. avasarala is

>>213049103
Anon you must go outside. You have terminal idpol brainrot.
Basically every well regarded sci fi series has some kind of moral or philosophical message.

>>213059096
Avasarala would not mean shit if every single one of the dozens of billions left were baying for blood. Her entire staff would have family or someone they know dying or dead, if anything they would attack without her consent. Again, there's no realistic eventuality where BILLIONS of dead Earthlings wouldn't result in total war. 9/11 featured 3,000 dead Americans and the public reaction was to bay for any middle easterner's blood.

>>213058853
Look, it's like this: 9/11 happens, the US hears Muslims did it, they want every Muslim killed. There's hundreds of millions of Muslims and the majority are not involved with this event whatsoever. Many are friendly, and many have locations you need access to for other things. Get it yet? The Earth needs stations and people in the Belt for its operations. And the vast majority of people on Earth are braindead and NEETS that sit around collecting basic income because there's no jobs or anything to do. If anything they're happy that a bunch of job openings are now free

>>213058444
Im pretty sure it was the exact opposite, the show tried to salvage the pure retardation of the books.

>>213059721
Nope, the books are fantastic and actually have an ending. Plus a bunch of novellas inbetween that expand on various side stories.

>>213059679
Sure if it was a tiny attack, now imagine if like 1 million 9/11s happened

>>213059679
After 9/11 a sizable number of Americans were calling for genocide, and support for war was absolutely unanimous. This was 9/11 times literally a million. I'm not even exaggerating it is a million times worse than 9/11 in sheer death count. There is not a single human on Earth that would give a single solitary fuck about any belter that could ever possibly do this again. Every single nation on Earth, if they were not already united, would so unite. They would absolutely not stop until all the belters were eliminated to the last person, and then replaced with some Earthling if absolutely necessary.

>>213059679
Anon...the attacks that killed most humans left what was left in absolute shambles. We are talking megatsunamis that traveled from one end of the planet to the other. There was not a single human that was unaffected from this attack. Even in-universe it didn't result in just a few people jumbled around

>>213059827
>>213059829
>>213059874
This is why the show was better they only nuked two cities of a couple million without any after effects instead of billions and destroying earth like in the book.

>>213059829
Nope. You're acting like it's some singular group. It's not. There is no "genocide belters" because there is no group all living in one placed named belters. You're saying something like "genocide Europeans". There's a whole bunch of countries in Europe and Europeans all over the world. Same for Belters.

>>213059949
Yes, it is exactly like "genocide Europeans." It would include all groups that could be classified as European. Belters are very specific societies with separation from both Martians and Earthlings. They have physiological identification, and though their societies are stratified they are identifiably spacenoid and would have if anything a unifying cultural quirk of being outsiders. Humans on Earth would unify towards genocidal intentions towards any people that resembled such, and they'd likely be messy about it. It would be quite brutal, that kind of comes with the territory when billions of your kind were all murdered at once.

>>213059679
After an attack like that the IRL the level of death dealt to the belters would have been unreal. This is why academics and armchair politicians could can never lead. Because they don't have the balls to do what needs to be done. Civilian casualties don't matter when the actual survival of if the state is threatened. I'm not talking the survival of some strategic asset. Im talking the home soil. Trust me if something like that happened to the U.S. the belters would be obliterated until they were sure anyone even remotely connected was dead so the perpetrators hiding would just make it worse for any other belter. It would be like if some country nuked even one city in the US. The country that did it would not longer exist down to the women and children. Trust me when I tell you this.

>>213060035
No, you can't genocide them all, and it's utterly retarded of you to think so. There's a billion asteroids out there Belters can hide, most of Earth's military is destroyed, the population is fucked up, jobless, and concerned with rebuilding. Stop being a moron making up headcanon.

>>213060425
I don't think you get it. If there was an
RL attack like in the Expanse every habitable asteroid would be wiped.

>>213060425
You absolutely can genocide them all, it's extremely doable. With the technology of the Expanse they could reliably locate any human habitat from across the solar system. If Earth were so inclined they absolutely could have genocided every belter, especially after Inaros' abortive rebellion was put down. There was not a single human ON EARTH that was unaffected by a belter attack, every single person would have been united in wanting to kill every spacenoid alive at that time. You seriously underestimate how a tribe of people reacts when facing an exigent crisis.