Thread 213062069 - /tv/ [Archived: 440 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/25/2025, 2:59:57 AM No.213062069
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>This utter slop supposedly got Kubrick "killed" for making it
Give me a break, this movie fucking SUCKED. God, conspiracy theorists are fucking retarded. Are there any actually GOOD mysterious cult movies out there?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:09:44 AM No.213062320
>>213062069 (OP)
No this is the best one so if you didn't like it I guess movies aren't really your thing. try other hobbies
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:12:43 AM No.213062389
>>213062320
That ending was DOGSHIT. I at the very least EXPECTED the daughter to get kidnapped and disappeared in the toy store but NOOOOOOO... It just ends with Kidman saying "Let's fuck" LAAAAME
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:14:22 AM No.213062424
>>213062389
Yeah, good film, but the ending was a bit underwhelming
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:14:58 AM No.213062441
>>213062320
Absolute retard, even The Wicker Man is better than Eyes Wide Shit
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:30:49 AM No.213062843
I wouldn't expect a KHHV to understand a movie about how relationships can drive us into jealousy
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:37:02 AM No.213062994
>>213062069 (OP)
The only part that sucked was them getting high which was cringe...
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:38:39 AM No.213063046
>>213062069 (OP)
You're protesting too much, Hillary.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 3:43:15 AM No.213063168
>>213062994
I think they were stoned and drunk at the same time? I find that particular scene a pretty accurate representation of an upper middle class married couple.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:15:16 AM No.213063957
>>213063168
Maybe, from what I remember they were only tired after a long day and wanted to wind down.
But my issue is that it took too long. Probably was kinda the point (Tom Cruise was just as annoyed as the viewer) but it would have been obvious even if it took half the time... heck it would have made the blue flashbacks more poignant.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:35:09 AM No.213064470
I watched it for the first time a year ago, twice. I was pleasantly surprised. It's not Kubrick's best, but it's very good and it manages to do all that "puzzle" shit that The Shining does so well, as a recent thread suggested. I will repost my thoughts ITT.

>>213063957

I take you to be referring to the VERY long (like 12 mins) and important scene where Nicole Kidman has her little argument with him, undermining him and saying how she wanted the naval officer's dick. It's a bit of drama and can get a bit tiresome, but it is arguably meant to slowly suck the viewer into the meat of the story. When the phone rings, that's the clear break and transition into Part 2 of 5 IMO. In any case, it's an important scene, Kidman had to carry it, and she did well. Her performance is sleepy/breathy, on purpose. She's tired and high, acting like one of those old-school film starlets. A beautiful woman being on drugs also reinforces that theme as it plays through the film.

I believe that the film is neatly divided into fifths, or quintiles, with major cuts or set pieces intentionally dividing it along those terms. The film runs about 2 1/2 hours, so each of the four major "breaks" occurs around each half-hour mark. Alice's little snit is quite long, but it centers on 00:30:00, running from about 24 mins in to 36 mins in IIRC. Then "Fidelio" is written on the napkin, right at the 1:00:00 mark. I forget the exact 1:30:00 mark but IIRC it's Bill poking his nose into his own apartment, returning to the "normal" world. When the roommate tells Bill that Domino has HIV, this is just a few seconds before the 2:00:00 mark. Therefore, the normal, human time when a person would process such big news occurs precisely at the two-hour mark.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:45:17 AM No.213064741
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I also appreciated how the set design in Lou Nathanson's apartment is a halfway point between Bill's bright, "normal" apartment, and Somerton. The basic size, shape and architecture of the apartment are the same as Bill's (multiple rooms on an upper floor, very expensive, very swanky), but whereas Bill's place is on the surface a happy family place (white walls, big colorful flower paintings, normal kitchen etc), the Nathanson apartment is a tomb to his death, a castle-like space like Somerton.

General visual ideas compare very closely with The Shining. The Shining also had a "normal" apartment interior with white walls and a slightly dirty kitchen in early scenes. This particular picture of the Nathanson apartment compares very well with Jack walking down the hall in frustration to meet Lloyd in the bar for the first time.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:49:35 AM No.213064870
>>213064470
>I take you to be referring to the VERY long (like 12 mins) and important scene where Nicole Kidman has her little argument with him
Yeah, would have been totally happy if it only took 6 minutes.
Anyway I like your division into half hour slices.

>It's not Kubrick's best
So which one do you consider his best? For me EWS is the best Kubrick film but then again I don't really care about said director.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 4:50:38 AM No.213064892
>>213062389
>I at the very least EXPECTED the daughter to get kidnapped and disappeared in the toy store but NOOOOOOO... It just ends with Kidman saying "Let's fuck" LAAAAME
wow that flew over your head then, the whole point is they sold their daughter into sexual slavery and now need to make a new one
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:00:57 AM No.213065135
>>213064892
>they sold their daughter into sexual slavery
when does that happen in the movie?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:07:44 AM No.213065296
>>213065135
that anon is probably jesting, but it's fairly obvious about how her mother is grooming her
>>213062069 (OP)
>This utter slop supposedly got Kubrick "killed" for making it
I don't believe it's a movie to justify bumping off the director yet I can imagine as plausible if a schizo glowie lost its shit, thinking that the movie will destroy the medical profession (there are kind of subtle point made in the movie...) and went did what he imagined to be the needful
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:09:51 AM No.213065343
>>213065135
did you watch the movie? serious question
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:12:10 AM No.213065390
>>213065296
>fairly obvious about how her mother is grooming her

grooming her?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:13:37 AM No.213065425
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>This utter slop supposedly got Kubrick "killed" for making it
>Give me a break, this movie fucking SUCKED. God, conspiracy theorists are fucking retarded.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:20:11 AM No.213065568
>>213064870

Kubrick's best film really is 2001: A Space Odyssey. Last year I made a project of actually watching all (the rest) of his stuff, commentary tracks etc, and I've been comparing these with /tv/ posts throughout. As more than one critic observed, Kubrick got off to a slow start and took his time. I don't care much for The Killing, but I liked Killer's Kiss as a simple noir art piece. Many posters here have observed that the Lolita film really isn't very good, and toward the bottom of his ranking, which is correct. But the success of Spartacus allowed him to self-actualize, I think, leading directly to his creative freedom and best stuff.

My personal top 3 are: 2001, The Shining, Dr. Strangelove. Paths of Glory and Eyes Wide Shut are not far behind, as they are both very interesting.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:23:23 AM No.213065625
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>>213065568
>Paths of Glory
omg so fucking good...
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:26:56 AM No.213065705
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>>213062069 (OP)
The mansions in the movie are owned by irl freemasons, the college kids on the streets are a jab at universities/fraternities being recruiting grounds for secret societies, the movie is a heightened version of Tom Cruises irl life dealing with these groups and his actual marriages arranged by Scientology, the founder of scientology was a freemason, Kubrics daughter was recruited by scientology and Cruise is a famous/notorious scientologist who lives vicariously through his movies. Its not even a conspiracy these are all just facts and you have to deny the relevance or suppose its all a coincidence by happy chance to say none of these things mattered and one of the most private people who lives secluded with his family happened to just randomly die before the release of one of his movies.
The entire movie basically exists to lead to this conversation
https://youtu.be/NZVzxb7HOo4?si=ThMY8zHHhaWPwDRu
Cruise may as well be looking straight at the audience here, they are literally fucking telling you theyre all under these groups heels and you dumb fuck want to fling shit about supposed conspiracies, holy shit man.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:29:18 AM No.213065764
>>213065135
>>213062389
Even if youre being a reductionist literalist at the very least the ending is supposing the parents got too distracted with their personas mingling with elite rich people and their marriage problems and sinking sexual relations that they lost track of their daughter. Whether she is LITERALLY kidnapped in that moment is up to the viewer but the fact that the daughter becomes the least important thing to them is occurring on a literal level and the fact that two men from earlier in the movie walk toward her as this happens also literally occurs, if youu choose to say there is no further association then thats your choice but its very reductionist.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:30:33 AM No.213065794
>>213065705
>muh freemazins

Masons are just a drinking club for old fat white men (blacks have their own lodges) literally nothing nefarious at all lmfao
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:31:34 AM No.213065820
the normal socialization process for all females
the normal socialization process for all females
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>>213065390

"Okay sweetheart, now if A has $1.50 and if B has $2.25, which boy has more money?" And then she gives him this knowing smirk. She's training her daugher to be a whore, or at least to do basic utility calculation. Now You Men Knew.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:31:38 AM No.213065822
>>213065764
bro my mom used to tell me to run around the toy store and then find her later not exactly strange behavior
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:32:32 AM No.213065843
>>213062069 (OP)
Kubrick had never made a single good film in his life.
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:32:42 AM No.213065846
>>213065820
by your logic teaching math to girls is teaching them to be a whore?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:34:35 AM No.213065896
>>213065794
That is for the happy idiots on the lower level, the higher rank people are literal luciferians, as in a literal religion wherein God is Lucifer the angel of light. And if youre an atheist then there is nothing wrong with that, its just another meaningless religion, but it is an organized religion that recruits wealthy people and like the ending of the movie is saying they killl and partake in trafficking (the costume shop guy selling his daughter openly) so again you can choose to say it has no meaning and its just a silly larping religion but the movie is literally laying these things out its not a conspiracy its literally occcuring in the film and it all leads to the conversation where Cruises character is told to accept it and move on "Listen, Bill. Nobody killed anybody. Someone died. It happens all the time. Life goes on. It always does, until it doesn't. But you know that, don't you? ;)" that is literally in the movie its you who is supposing it has no further meaning and that is you just denying it to stir discussion itt
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:35:13 AM No.213065911
>>213065846
yes, the only thing a girl needs to learn is to keep her mouth shut
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:35:50 AM No.213065925
>>213065822
Yea I literally just said you can choose to interpret it that way you fucking moron. Then that makes the same men appearing earlier a meaningless choice and you have to go with the notion that they just ran out of extras and randomly got them to come back and that is reductionist when we both know Kubric overthinks minuscule actors motions but you do you, same here, I loved roaming toys R us, I love that you did the same thats great bro.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:39:09 AM No.213066006
>>213062441
Which one? Because the original really is.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:39:47 AM No.213066029
>>213062069 (OP)
To me it's obviously unfinished, with nobody involved having the incentive to say otherwise. It might have been a little better
>Are there any actually GOOD mysterious cult movies out there?
9th Gate?
Arguably some latter-day Lynch movies, in an oblique way
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:40:12 AM No.213066037
>>213062069 (OP)
>this movie fucking SUCKED.
Maybe Marvel movies are more your speed
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:40:56 AM No.213066058
>>213065846
1. yes, look at vikings and their witches doing math
2. yes, if the examples are all whorexamples

also apart from what that anon said, we can see her educate her in front of the mirror, brushing her hair etc. somewhat paralleling the opening scene with her putting on the earrings...

also there was something about the child drawings but can't remember now and seen the movie long ago
anyway bottom line is that grooming implies "the devil is in the details," both using the word literally (an act of hygiene) or figuratively (contrasting it with education or abuse)
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:41:23 AM No.213066066
>>213065705
>>old man dies
>COINCIDENCE?!
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:42:24 AM No.213066092
>>213065764
>two men from earlier in the movie
I don't think is actually true
Also impossible to distinguish from the film just reusing extras
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:45:11 AM No.213066158
>>213065896
Lucifer was the name of a king of Babylon that the author of Ecclesiastes had a problem with, yes it means bringer of the light, Milton took the quote and turned it into fanatic about rebellious Satan and dumb cunts everywhere plugged it into their theology like assholes. It's close to Eric cartman becoming a character in genesis.

I hate stupid people so much It's unreal
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 5:50:08 AM No.213066254
>>213066158
nta but I don't think those have to be mutually exclusive - in the end it's HOW something is worshipped not what the literal thing itself happens to be
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:09:29 AM No.213066745
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>>213065896
those were mostly european (french/german) although yes I've heard some mason podcasts and it seems that by this point the american ones are infected too
but in my opinion it was probably was not the case in Kubrick's time
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:16:27 AM No.213066944
>>213066745
/slaps forehead
oh shit just realized that Schnitzler's original novel referred exactly to the
>those were mostly european (french/german)
I mentioned and are detailed in the pic rel book

thank you /tv/
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:35:38 AM No.213067410
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>>213062424
big Kubrick fan here but yeah I gotta agree with this guy, plus, unlike all his other films, I still don't feel like I "get" this one completely, maybe one day
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:43:03 AM No.213067577
>>213065794
>We swear it's the freemasons and not us, fellow white people!
this
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 6:56:57 AM No.213067881
The story makes no sense because Kubrick cast good-looking movie star Tom Cruise to play a balding nebbish normalfag loser
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:06:02 AM No.213068069
>>213067881
exit only honey!
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:16:33 AM No.213068287
>>213067881
Does not matter, Tolkien said it best, to paraphrase: a good looking person can play a good or a bad character just as well, while a bad looking person can only play an evil one.
Of course the LGBT battalions do anything in their power to subvert it, but one has only to imagine how cool Guillermo del Toro's movies would have been if he wasn't a total ass and cast abominations at every opportunity... and I ain't even talking about midgets and Ron Perlman...
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:17:48 AM No.213068310
>>213067881
Kubrick wanted to get one over on the scientologists
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:35:36 AM No.213068631
>>213068310
it's it a bit risky to want to get one over some dudes whose main objective is 100% survival 100% of the time, by any means necessary?
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:53:36 AM No.213068974
>>213062389
The men that take her are at the party in the beginning. Symbolism be hard sobeit.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:54:46 AM No.213068996
Kill list
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:55:27 AM No.213069013
>>213068631
Yes but hes a master kike
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 7:55:48 AM No.213069022
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>>213065705
>Cruise's Crown
>Ziegler's Foundation

Watch Ager's crotch lens flares clip. [spoler]That zig-zag down at the end of the street terminating on a CHRISTMAS TREE STORE? Totally arbitary ...[/spoiler]
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:01:16 AM No.213069142
>>213065843
that moon landing video was pretty good. definitely fooled a lot of people
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Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:04:48 AM No.213069205
>>213062069 (OP)
calm down James Gunn
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:15:03 AM No.213069386
>>213069142
Kek
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 8:36:44 AM No.213069768
>>213064892
No, what flew over your head was that she spent all night talking to her husband about fucking other men, then spent all night dreaming about fucking other men, then had to deal with real life the next morning, but was all horned up from thinking about fucking other men for a day straight just because she got hit on at the party, so the only thing she could think about was fucking.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 9:32:23 AM No.213070771
>>213068287
He's not playing a "bad" character but a character of whom it would be believable that he struggles to get pussy and invites to secret clubs
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 9:33:24 AM No.213070795
>>213068310
How does casting Tom Cruise hurt Scientology?
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 9:34:30 AM No.213070816
>>213065846
Sure, if your idea of teaching math is training them to figure out which boy has more money.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 10:46:08 AM No.213072112
>>213062389
They changed the original ending because it was too on point.
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 10:50:52 AM No.213072189
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>>213062069 (OP)
/tv/ cacas can't into kubrick lol