>>213072715 (OP)If needing religion to have morality means you were a shit person in the first place, then who cares? You wouldn’t say ‘if you need education/a mentor/society/love/anything else to be a good person, then you were a piece of shit in the first place’, because you really aren't against the idea of people needing things to be good, are you, George? *points finger right in his nose* YOU DONT BELIEVE THAT!