based aztec batman will stop the white europeans from colonizing central and south america. i cannot wait for this awesome show. a freakin aztec batman!

What's Aztec Batman's view on human sacrifice?

Are there any actual Mexicans (as in "People born and raised in the country of Mexico") involved in this production? Or is it just white guilt trying to distract?

>>213080991
If you kill a murderer, the number of murderers remains the same. If you sacrifice a murderer to Quetzalcoatl, you buy tens of thousands of people another day of life.

>>213080778 (OP)
>here comes the alt right.jpeg

>>213080778 (OP)
Zotzman

>>213080778 (OP)
Aztec society had billionaires with advanced technology?

>>213080991
>Omar Chaparro[4] as Yoka/Joker, formerly a respected priest until he hears the voice of Huitzilopochtli telling him to engage in human sacrifice, causing him to lose his sanity and disfigure himself

>>213080778 (OP)
spanish conquerer Joker kino?

>>213081029
Yeah. It's some goofy collaboration between DC and some Mexican company. There's also Aztec Joker and Cortes is Two-Face.

>>213081057
Based. Bruce should learn from Aztec Batman.

>>213081254
In reality they mostly received death and rape which is why today Mexico is dominated by European Y-DNA and autosomally is only 30% or so Aztec.

>>213081335
>rape
It's impossible to say if it was rape or if it was consensual.

>>213081112
>>213081129

>>213081254
>recive

>>213080991
If you sacrifice a sacrifice, the number of sacrifices remains the same.

>>213080778 (OP)
Do mexiturds not realize what they look like?

>Joker spreads chaos by calling everyone Latinx.

>mass human sacrifice committing cannibals were the good guys
This meme needs to be destroyed. The world is a far better place because the Aztecs are no longer in it.

>>213081853
are you retarded?

>>213082299
are you blind?

>>213080778 (OP)
The Aztecs deserved to be conquered, but it should have been anyone but the Spanish. The Spanish are lazy, greedy, and hardly white themselves due to Moor blood. I blame the influence of the Spanish for why most of Latin America is such a shithole today.

>>213082361
anon, it's AZTEC Batman, not modern mexican Batman.

>>213082522
>conquered by portugal
>turn into brazil 2.0
>conquered by france or dutch
>turn into africa 2.0
>conquered by bongs
>turn into india 2.0 or have your culture and population completely eradicated and replaced
not sure what's worse

>Batman AZTEC
:<
>Batman JAPAN
:O

>>213082670
None of these places turned into the shitholes they are because of who conquered them, but because of who was conquered.
The consequences of colonialism/imperialism are not so consistent as to point the the finger at the Europeans as the cause of these places being shitholes today.
In fact, the differences in outcomes are far more consistent when the original population is considered, not the conquerors.

>>213081440
everyone raped back then. it's just what you did when you conquered places.

>>213080778 (OP)
I feel alone for simply being glad that WB is going back to what made good batman movies: making them animated and letting directors do whatever they felt like. We don't need another live action reboot with some washed up actor and directed by a nepotism nobody.

>>213081440
>It's impossible to say if it was rape or if it was consensual.

All heterosexual sex is rape.

>>213080778 (OP)
>A long time ago, I was in Tenochtitlan. My friends and I were working for the local warlords. They were trying to buy the loyalty of the moon god with human sacrifices, but the disembodied hearts were being stolen by a conquistador. So, we went looking for the conquistador, but in six months we never met anyone who prayed with him. One day, I saw a child playing a heart the size of a tangerine. The conquistador had been throwing them away.

>>213083161
kek

>>213082935
>Pillage all resources
>starve the locals
>noooo! Le heckin eurorinos dindu nuffin wrong!! They just took a lil bit extra stuff that lying around!!!!

>>213080778 (OP)
Dafuq kind of tech is Aztec Batman gonna use, a stick?

>>213083281
>lose a war to technologically superior for
>cry about it for centuries
You should be happy your people still exist, anon.
Woe to the vanquished.

>>213083161

It was probably the worst thing that happened in human history. Top 5 easily. And yes, Europeans were far worse than Aztecs.

>>213083390
No one is crying you illiterate mutt. I'm just pointing out the nog tier defense you pulled out to excuse all the shit they did.

The eternal black legend against Spain. The only moral empire.

>>213083281
Carthage was razed and and it’s culture extinguised, this was the norm in the ancient world. At least you all got a half-win with getting bred by Spaniards.

>>213083499
No. No they weren't.

>>213083644
That wasn't the norm. Carthage case was considered especially brutal.

>>213083644
>A Mexican LARPing as white.
Why are you taco slingers like this?

>>213080778 (OP)
Based. We will be spared all those mystery meats.

>>213080778 (OP)
Would Spain bang the Indians?

>>213083668
They were. They pretty much destroyed a completely unique branch of humanity - culturally, linguistically and genetically.
What are few sacrifices compared to this?

>>213080778 (OP)
I hope it's better than the japan one. That one's premise had potential but they decided it needed to be reference to heckin animu

>>213083675
Fuck off Ivan, I hope your mother’s pimp sells her to the Mongolian mafia

>>213083668
>If we stop human sacrifice something terrible will happen
>sacrifice stops
>brazil happens
They were vindicated.

A COMIC BOOK DID AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE THING?????? NOOOOO IM BEING FUCKING GENOCIDED AGAIN!!!!!!!!

>>213083698
Bullshit. How many languages did missionaries document? The Spanish went for gold but brought civilization and documented the culture. The superiority of Western culture (and genes) is the reason some languages went extinct, but it wasn't the intention of the Spanish to exterminate the Mexicas.

>>213081103
no billionares. Everyone was treated equally. America learn this!

>>213083697
I love how porn addict incels think the Spanish were banging the equivalent of modern Japanese girls with brown skin and not malnourished goblinas who likely had worms.

>>213083767
Buenos dias senorrrrr¡!
You jump to conclusions faster than your abuela jumped the border¡!¡

>>213083610
I'm not excusing anything. I'm telling you you're wrong.
European conquests were no more egregious or cruel than the others throughout history.
>[Tamerlane] forged an empire stretching from the Levant to India, ruling through a potent blend of military prowess, cultural patronage, and unrelenting brutality. Among the most gruesome hallmarks of his campaigns were the systematic erection of pyramids of human skulls—not as random acts of barbarism, but as deliberate instruments of psychological warfare and imperial communication
>In 1387, the city of Isfahan rebelled against his authority. In response, Timur ordered the massacre of approximately 70,000 inhabitants. Their skulls were methodically collected and arranged into 35 towering pyramids. In Sistan, according to contemporary sources, around 2,000 people were incorporated—still living—into a mortar of clay, forming the literal building blocks of a grisly tower. This pattern continued across the Timurid campaigns: in Delhi (1398), some 100,000 prisoners were slaughtered in a single day; in Baghdad (1401), 90,000 heads were arranged into 120 towers. At Aleppo, Damascus, Tikrit, and Sivas, skull pyramids stood as macabre testaments to Timur’s passage.

The only unique thing here is the criticism only goes one way. Pretending the natives of the Americas or Africa were treated exceptionally harshly is wrong and the idea that they were noble or innocent of their own forms of evil is wrong.

The aztecs deserved annihilation. The rest should merely be thankful they continue into the current day.

>>213083767

>>213083830
It's not about intentions, but results.

>>213080778 (OP)
Basado

>>213083698
>For instance, a convoy ordered by Diego Velázquez de Cuéllar was cannibalized by the Aztecs in Zultépec-Tecoaque in 1520. In the Nahuatl language, the name "Tecoaque" translates into "the place where they ate them." For eight months, the convoy was ritually sacrificed, and their heads were put up on skull racks. Both men and women were sacrificed, including pregnant women. At least one 3-or-4-year-old child was also sacrificed during the ritual, and the town's population swelled to 5,000 as people arrived for the ceremonies. In 1521, Hernán Cortés and his forces arrived and, in an act of revenge, massacred the town's inhabitants, who were mostly women and children
Ya, those dirty spaniards. The poor poor Aztecs dindu nuffin.
Imagine what they could have given to the world if they just been allowed to flourish as themselves!

>>213083610
>N-no one is c-crying
no more tears now

>>213083047
you misspelled "homosexual" there

>>213083872
Except the American Indian case is clearly unique.
This is just typical brutality of the period. Most likely exaggerated anyway. Is Iranian language dead? No. Iranian culture? No. Iranian genes? No.

>>213083281
Nigger these aztecs were more degenerate than your tranny ass. They deserved what they got and more. "NOOOO MUH ANCIENT CULTURE EVIL WHITE CHRISTIAN BIGOTS RUINED IT". Suck my fucking COCK, nothing of value was lost.

>>213083967
I had seen enough cartel videos to know nothing even changed.

>>213083982
>he said while seething
lol k

>>213084132
Yeah, like all those Aryans in Central Asia. It's good they were wiped out by Mongols and Turks. Do you agree?

>>213084132
This. They should greet those spanish refugees just like White Men does, by letting them fuck their wifes.

>>213084190
The fuck are you talking about?, AZTECS nigger AZTECS I didn't mention "Le Aryans". Some cultures simply deserve to be wiped off the face of the Earth, ours included at this point.

>>213084190
>some heathens got killed
Oh noes!

>>213084252
That's why I asked if you are fine with Indo-European Iranians like Scythians being wiped out by Turks and Mongols.
You know, Central Asia was once Indo-Iranian.

>>213084190
>thinking anyone cares about "aryans"
Lol. Blood and soil(ed pants) is not a thing. No one cares about that fag shit aside of fbi stooges.

>>213084322
Only thing about Iran I care about is it getting nuked.

>meanwhile civilized Europeans
>The Schwedentrunk (German: [ˈʃveːdn̩ˌtʁʊŋk], Swedish drink) is a method of torture and execution in which the victim is forced to swallow large amounts of a foul liquid, such as excrement. The name was invented by German victims of Swedish troops during the Thirty Years' War. This method of torture was administered by other international troops, mercenaries, and marauders, and especially by civilians following the Swedish baggage train, who received no pay. It was used to force peasants or town citizens to hand over hidden money, food, animals, etc., or to rape women.

>>213084428
Now fucking dense are not? It's not about who got killed and who raped. It's about aztecs being literal demon-worshipping pagans. Find a gotcha on that.

yo onions el joker
jajajaja

>>213084428
never happened, woke jewish propaganda

>>213080778 (OP)
DCfags will always claim that DC is superior in animation to Marvel. Yeah, maybe 20 years ago.
>Batman Ninja
>Batman Gaslight
>Batman London
>Batman Samarai
>Batman Cthulhu
And now Batman Aztec.

This isn't new, /tv/. DC animation has been swirling down the creative toilet bowl since forever. You just haven't been paying attention.

>this is an actual screenshot from the show

Damn, just when you think they couldn’t make joker worse (Jared Leto), they reach a level never thought possible.

>>213084062
>Except the American Indian case is clearly unique.
In what way?
>Is Iranian language dead?
Several are, yes.
Iranian culture?
Several are, yes.
Iranian genes?
Several are, yes.

>>213080778 (OP)
Is this based on some comic or are they just making shit up?

>>213082814
batman japan sucked

>>213084587
this looks like a still image from one of those meat canyon videos where the guy is about to rape someone

>>213085095
Completely original, this is the closest the comics have come to giving us an Aztec Batman.

>>213080991
>>213081057

>>213085266
The sequel with yakuza boss Superman is pretty good I thought.

>>213084062
Iranians didn't kill and est people in the thousands.
The aztecs did. You know they survived, right? That they wrote down their own accounts, right? That the first governors of Spanish Mexico were natives of the preexisting ruling class?
Who am I kidding. You don't know any of this lmao

>>213080778 (OP)
Aztec aristocrat by day, bar warrior that wears flayed skins of his enemies atrl night

>>213084062
The majority of natives that died were from diseases the Europeans inadvertently brought with them. Its speculated that the majority of the New World's population was killed before even directly encountering Europeans.

We now have evidence that there was a very large and dense civilization in the Amazon river basin that rivaled or even surpassed the Aztecs. Spanish explorers described large paved roads and cities that ran along the river for miles.
When the Europeans returned later, it was all gone and nobody believed it ever really existed. We only recently discovered that, in fact, a large urban civilization did exist and is now lost in the jungle.

>>213085728
That sounds awesome.

>>213085646
>you know they survived
Barely.
>Iranians didn't kill and est people in the thousands.
They did. Iranian steppe nomads did all that.

i am mexican and i don't want you amerimutt animals touching our culture with a 10km long pole

>>213082814
Batman Japan was actual Batman in Japan
Batman Aztec is not actual Batman, it's just Aztec Batman

>>213086754
>mexican
>amerimutt animals

>>213083967
>The poor poor Aztecs dindu nuffin.
they actually didn't. this happened in response to the spanish killing the lord of texcoco which the city of zultepec was allied to and the massacre of aztec nobles by the spanish during the holiday of toxcatl

>>213084369
kike

>>213087393
>muh brown mohamedans

>>213085646
> That the first governors of Spanish Mexico were natives of the preexisting ruling class?
look at all these nahua names
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_viceroys_of_New_Spain

>>213080778 (OP)
>nooo you can't just come over and stop us committing a genocide of rival tribes
do mexicans even know about the shit the aztecs got up to

>>213087448
*proceeds to kill 98% of the population afterwards*

>>213087448
>stormfags: might makes right, conquerers deserve what they take
>also stormfags: noooo you muslims cant take over white countries and fuck our women!!! Thats not fair!!!

>>213080778 (OP)
He fails by the way. Thunder sticks and Chad Europeans beat the fuck out of his sad "empire"

>>213080778 (OP)
Wake me up when we get batman Jesus throwing stars of David at romans.

>>213087393
You can hate sand niggers and kikes anon. Dont be a tranny

>>213088186
there are no legitimate reasons to hate iran as a pure white man

>>213080778 (OP)
lmao what is this brownoid cope?

>muh Spanish black legend

>We analyzed 18 Y-SNPs in 659 individuals from 10 Mexican-Mestizo populations from different regions of the country. In the total population sample, paternal ancestry was predominately European (64.9%), followed by Native American (30.8%) and African (4.2%). However, the European ancestry was prevalent in the north and west (66.7–95%) and, conversely, Native American ancestry increased in the center and southeast (37–50%), whereas the African ancestry was low and relatively homogeneous (0–8.8%).
This is all you need to know. Something like this never happened during the Aztecs. After the Spaniards conquered Mexico locals died in millions and their women got raped.
70% of local male lineages replaced by Euro rapists and niggers.

>>213088319
You should hate all shades of niggers as a true white man. You low iq troon

>>213081057
Just kill two murderers.

Did anybody watch that netflix suicide squad annie-may?
I tapped out after the first minute when the joker was driving a car by playing a piano integrated into the steering wheel.

>>213088861
No

>>213087433
Yet, your sincere ignorance of the history will rear is filthy head again and again.
>Ixtlilxochitl II (c. 1500–c. 1550) was a Nahua nobleman, tlatoani of Texcoco. He allied with Spain during the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire and assisted Hernán Cortés during the Siege of Tenochtitlan. He converted to Christianity under the name of Fernando Cortés Ixtlilxóchitl and ruled Texcoco in Spain's name until his death.
Don't worry. There are a lot of examples.
Did you know the family of Moctezuma persists into the modern day and was admitted into the Spanish Peerage?
Pic related is the Crest of the House of Moctezuma.
Read a fucking book. Casual.

Mesoamerican history/archeology nerd here, I think it looks mostly really well researched

They did an excellent job with the architecture of Tenochtitlan, and while I think Poison Ivy and Catwoman's designs are kind of nonsense and I wish Moctezuma II's attire was more accurate; Yohualli/Bruce's design, Acatzin/Alfred, and Selene(?)'s domestic dress are very grounded to outright just 100% accurate, Yokka/Joker's design before becoming super Joker-y is also fairly on point for priests, and he gets more and more Tezcatlipoca attributes as he becomes jokerified, which makes sense given Tezcatlipoca as a god is all about causing disorder and fate's fickle nature. Compare the architecture and clothing in the trailer to pic related for example.

Something I'm both excited but also somewhat worried about is how it takes place in a timeline where Cortes fails initially: I was hoping this would lead to a premise where you could have Spanish officials worming their way into an otherwise mostly unconquered Aztec society and political system and you could those Spanish officials and corrupt Mesoamerican ones working together as the criminal underworld that Batman normally goes against, and so he could go after organized crime and the like rather then it being about resisting conquest/colonialism with huge stakes and open warfare

There's elements in the recent footage and interviews which suggests what I want is still a possibility, but there's also a lot of action scenes and what looks like straight up military battles in the trailers. Them potentially going with just a generic "fighting back as the Spanish try to conquer the region", and Catwoman and Ivy's designs would be my only big criticisms so far.... [cont next post]

>>213083384
He's using salvaged and modified Spanish equipment and supplies

1/?

>>213081335
Imagine thinking every Aztec woman didn’t go running towards any spainiard

>>213083697
>*catches syphillis*

>>213089249
>Yet, your sincere ignorance of the history will rear is filthy head again and again.
nah. i'm not ignorant. you're moving the goal posts. spanish mexico = new spain and all governors of new spain were peninsulares. spanish keeping toothless native governors means shit btw
>Did you know the family of Moctezuma persists into the modern day and was admitted into the Spanish Peerage?
yeah. it's funny you think this is some obscure fact when any nigger with a casual interest in history knows about it.
did you know that there are still descendants of the inca royal family around and the the guy who led the excavations at the huey teocally is named moctezuma?

>>213087366
>during the holiday of toxcatl
That was the Alvarado Massacre and it occurred in Tenochtitlan. The consequences of the massacre resulted in the death of Moctezuma and the Spanairds have to flee the city.
You have mistaken the months long cannibalism at Tecoaque with the Night of Sorrows. Separate events.

Aztec apologists cant stop taking Ls.

>>213084369
>>213088186
>>213088392
>hate this thing!
Nah, I'm good, glowies.

>>213080778 (OP)
>Aztec Batman
but Camazotz was a Mayan bat god, not Aztec

>>213089564
You show your true colors. I name you tranny.

>>213089525
>no the poor natives were destroyed and lied about
No sorry, the persisted into the modern day and their first hand accounts exist and they were able to occupy positions of power and authority after the Spanish conquest.
>moving goal posts
Not once. They were vile and cruel and savage. They were a nightmarish civilization that found itself at the mercy of a superior foe. We should rejoice that their culture was dismantled.
They were human sacrificing cannibals so vile that the militant Spanish saw fit to destroy them. Good.
The "villainy" of the spanish is the only thing not consistent with all other accountings of historical conflicts and conquests. They weren't uniquely brutal, but the people they conquered were.

>The fall of Tenochtitlan was a travesty but the fall of Constantinople was merely an event in history.
>The cruelty and barbarism of the Mongols is an interesting footnote but the plagues brought by the Spaniards are some injustice.


The only person that needs to move goalposts are the ones that pretend the Aztecs were noble victims or that the Spaniards were vile monsters.
You'll find more purchase if you discuss the destruction of the Taino or the Incas than you will trying to defend the fucking Aztecs of all people.
You want to make sweeping claims about the evil of conquest you can do a far better job looking almost anywhere else.


Thank you, Spain. You spared the world from having dealings with the Aztec EMPIRE and everyone human alive today is better off for it.

It's weird to me how most western cartoons have absolutely 0 cultural impact. Seriously looking back in recent years at some of these cartoons DC released, they were barely advertised at all. Obviously there are big exceptions like Invincible that got a lot of hype but still.

amerimutts talking about moral superiority while american citizens shoot at starving women and children in gaza in the name of yahweh

>>213089630
>t-tranny!
Damn creative insult, Anon.
How will I ever recover?

>>213089312
kill yourself retard, you're annoying enough on /v/ to also have you here

>>213089312
>Catwoman and Ivy's designs would be my only big criticisms so far....
cont:

...but a medium one would be how the small coastal(?) town Bruce/Yohualli is from is still presented as being very culturally similar to stuff from the capital when that's odd (tho not impossible), and there's some other smaller nitpicks (EX: His dad is named Toltecatzin and Alfred is Acatzin, when switching them would work better since "Tolteca" means artist/craftsmen and "Acatl" means reed, and Alfred helps him design his equipment)

In any case, overall it looks pretty well researched, and it's probably going to be the best or second best researched piece of media I know of that focuses on Mesoamerica directly made by a major commercial studio (so excluding stuff that started as indies) alongside Onyx Equinox. That perhaps speaks more to how most media butcher the setting then anything else, but they still did a good job here with the Mesoamerican stuff

>>213081112
Where is that bio from? I haven't read that one before and I've kept up with most news about this. I hope that's not implying that sacrifice is a "new" thing in the setting. I like Road to El Dorado but it does a similar thing where sacrifice is just a outlier thing a single priest is pushing rather then as a broader religious practice.

>>213085646
The Mexica of the Aztec capital did likely sacrifice a few thousand people a year, but only certain victims had their remains used for ritual cannibalism, so I'd be skeptical thousands were cannibalized a year.

>>213086754
It's a Mexican production

>>213084587
He's just wearing that for that scene, compare to pic which shows his initial outfit mostly like a normal priest in a xicolli tunic and with ritually unkempt hair, then at the bottom he's getting more joker-y and then presumably by the end he looks like https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/antagonists/images/3/33/Yoka_voice_actor.jpeg with a bunch of Tezcatlipoca elements, as I alluded to in my last post

2/?

>>213084428
>schewedentrunk

it's impossible to take the german language seriously

>>213080778 (OP)
Isn't this just Mexican Black Panther?

>>213084428
lol, I guess the jews learned their fake shoah stories from the Germans

>>213081102
Lmao

It's their culture Chud, their god is no less valid than the Christian god or the flying spaghetti monster (which I personally worship ironically xD).

Applying European Christian moral values to them is colonialist and imperialist, as it presupposes that their indigenous BIPOC value system is somehow less valid.

The fact that Tlaxcalans who allied with the Spaniards and comprised the overwhelming majority of the Spanish army that conquered Tenochtitlan had more rights and better lands than white European Spaniard settlers and were also the very first colonists to invade the Philippines (the very first expedition that landed in the Philippines and initiated its colonization consisted of Nahuatl speaking Catholic Tlaxcalan warriors) is meant to whitewash them because Europeans predicted they'd be accused of racism 500 years later

>>213091495
pic related, concessions to the Tlaxcalans

Spain was so racist and evil that it gave black people encomiendas and recognized them as full conquistadors

>>213091552
Spaniards were so remarkably evil and misogynist that Moctezuma's daughter became an influential and wealthy Catholic noble under them with more rights than were ever afforded to women under the Aztecs

>>213091574
Cortes in particular was such a monstrous hitler figure that he prevented Tlaxcalans from massacring another tribe in order to establish a mutually beneficial alliance with them. He also had them participate in colonial expeditions where they benefited from doing so like white colonists.

This is exactly what we're facing in Blurmpft's America.

>>213088070
Delusional poster who has no historical knowledge lmao

The DC animated stuff has just gotten worse and worse and worse with zero cohesion, I'm not sure why they bother with anything anymore. Does anyone pay $30 for a shitty 84 minute animated movie?

>>213090448
Fuck off

>>213090448
Cont:

>>213087448
>>213085470
See >>>/co/149549710 >>>/co/149549936 >>>/co/149549976

Nearly everyone the Mexica of the Aztec capital interacted were city-states, kingdoms, or empires, not "tribes". The Mexica also didn't do genocide unless you specific cities being razed as a genocide (and they typically didn't even raze stuff, since...): The main goal in their expansionism was to conquer subjects to pay economic goods as taxes without needing to work for it: A genocided populace can't farm cacao or pan for gold.

And in general, while the Mexica were definitely warmongering conquerors, they were loose with their rule and usually left conquered states to self manage. Cortes got most of the allies he did was because that system left subjects with their own interests and agency, which in turn enabled opportunistic defection: it's not that the Mexica were exceptionally bad or hated (remember EVERYBODY in Mesoamerica did sacrifices, so that's not something they'd be resented for), it's that after Tenochtitlan was struck by smallpox etc, some states felt they had more to gain and less to lose by turning on it to gain/retain their status within the new Spanish/Tlaxcalteca regime they'd help prop up (though Tlaxcala specifically DID hate the Mexica)

>>213084505
>>213082258
>>213082522
>>213083872
>>213089907
>>213083967
I don't mind if you think the Mexica were evil, if you do so based on an accurate assessment of what they were actually like (EX: see above re: their rule of conquered subjects), but I find it ironic that people post stuff like this when Spanish Conquistadors and Catholic Friars themselves praised Aztec cities (see pic), art, architecture, ethics, systems of law, etc all the time and sometimes explicitly said that much of that was worth preserving and respecting.

See all the quotes I posted across these: >>>/v/716322542 >>>/v/716324741 >>>/v/716325865 >>>/v/716326547 >>>/v/716327371 >>>/v/716328771 >>>/v/716329637 >>>/v/716330829

3/?

>>213092339
Fuck off and die literal autist

>>213092561
that's mean

every single one of these alt batman animations they've made has been trash, every single one, yes that includes ninja.

>>213085953
If only the lost civilization was civilized enough to read and write they could have told us their own stories.

>>213092339
lol this faggot is still doing this. nobody ever leaves this place for good.

>>213081029
>Mexicans
>Aztecs
Literally brown we wuz

>>213092339
I liked you when you posted historical data impartially on /v/ without condemning the conquistadors or moralizing about the conquest, but now I hate you and hope you die.

>>213080778 (OP)
>white europeans
Literally Arab rape spawn, Pedro.

>>213083767
Does it bother you that your forced meme never picked up traction even though you won't stop posting this way? No one, not even underage b@ns will parrot that gay shit.

>>213086754
You are the amerimutts....

>>213092339
Cont

>>213091523
>>213091495
>>213091574
>>213083830
I agree with your general point that the Spanish (like the Aztec) weren't a orgy of nonstop violence or oppression (in fact I think they're playing up Cortes's bloodthirstiness too much in the Batman movie), and had positive achievements etc, but the Crown did actually violate it's agreement with Tlaxcala, see pic. I'm also skeptical of the idea that Dona Isabel had more rights under the Spanish then in Mexica society: For example, when f local nobles or royalty tried to get their status recognized within the Spanish colonial system (as brought up in >>213089249) an issue they often ran into was Spain not acknowledging status passed down matrilineally like Mesoamerican culture did

But I don't know enough about women in Spanish culture to make a deeper comparison to the rights women had in Mesoamerica (and the Mexica specifically may have given women less rights then some other Nahua/"Aztec" groups, the Maya, Mixtec, Zapotec etc)

Also re: Spanish recording Mesoamerican languages/histories, yes, but they also would not have needed to had they not gone out of their way to destroy existing records and practices to begin with.. As seen in the quotes I link from /v/ in >>213092339 , a number of friars called out other ones for doing so

>>213087366
I actually didn't know the execution of Cacama was the instigating incident for the Tecoaque stuff, can you post more info?

>>213089548
If they were just thinking of La Noche Triste I don't see why they'd bring up Cacama's execution and the ties between Texcoco and Zultepec. Bringing up the Toxcatl massacre still makes sense since that kicked off the chain of events that led to the deaths of Cacama + other Tlatoani, and as the Toxcatl massacre was a turning point when the Spanish stopped being trusted by some groups

>>213092905
In what way do you think I'm being less impartial now? I'm legitimately asking and want to know, as I still always strive to be

4/?

>>213092339
>>213093194
>>213092339
>>213093194
just kill yourself already Ivan

>>213092820
Qrd on mesoamerican autist nigger?

>>213083847
>modern japanese women
Kill yourself plastic loving failure.

>>213093194
cont:

>>213081103
>>213083834
How class worked varied, even within the same culture/civilization (EX: Tenochtitlan and Tlaxcala were both Nahua/"culturally Aztec", but the former was quite classist and a de facto monarchy vs the later was more egalitarian and a senatorial republic), but for the Mexica of the Aztec capital of Tenochtitlan, class mobility was difficult and was increasingly restricted over time, there were sumptuary laws limiting what kinds of goods/valuables you could own and/or display publicly based on class, and only nobles could own land and take certain high status offices/titles

So "being super wealthy" was generally not a thing because wealth didn't quite exist independent of your class or bestowed titles and due to the sumptuary laws... but the closest analogy would have been merchants, who had their own guilds and were able to obtain a lot of goods and luxury items to a point where some people think they may have begun amass meaningful "wealth" outside the normal class system, in way which could lead to real wieldable political/social power, perhaps even with the potential to undermine the ruling class, or to where they could disregard sumptuary laws, but I haven't really come across an actual examples of that happening in primary sources.

And conversely, there's examples of merchants acting as an extension of Mexica state and it's political and economic interests (as they were intertwined with taxes and their... liquidation?), to the point where merchants were used as spies or saboteurs, scouting ahead of invasions, sometimes in disguise, and could cause a ruckus, and if they were imprisoned/attacked that would provide the Mexica with a justification to invade. So merchants arriving into an area or asking to do trade could be seen a (plausibly deniable) way to suss out your standing with them: rejecting them was an act of escalation but accepting could be interpreted as you "defaulting" into becoming an ally or vassal

5/?

How is this thread still up lol

>>213083834
kek

>>213080778 (OP)
>he doesn't know about Batman Inc.
For a while batman was financing a global network of bat themed heroes.
But when bruce lost most of his fortune and couldn't sustain it on a millionaire's budget.

>>213081057
Holy based and aztecpilled!

>>213094008
>>213081103
>>213083834
cont:

In any case, what the movie is doing is a lot simpler then having be in merchant guilds, instead he's just the son of the head of some small town (and therefore also not actually Mexica, re: >>213085470) : So he's a nobleman, but not a major one nor likely super "wealthy", to the extent that's a concept. Kinda a missed opportunity to not do what I suggested, but since it's a movie and only has like 90-120 mins, it may not have the time to explain or do interesting stuff with him being a merchant and the related politics/intrigue anyways.

>>213091857
I need to do an updated version of my debunking of this, but pic is the old one I did. Just keep in mind there's a lot i'd add to it now, and has some errors, especially in the sacrifice section, and ironically in contrast to >>213092905 I feel like I was not nearly as impartial in it as I am now.

>>213085953
None of the stuff we're seeing in the Amazon is anywhere close to as densely urbanized or populated as the main areas of Aztec civilization. Some of the Amazonian sites are probably actually big enough to be considered proper cities, but most aren't and wouldn't be exceptional by Mesoamerican standards. This isn't really me trying to dunk on the Amazonian stuff, it's def way more then a few tribes building villages, but parts of Mesoamerica were plausibly as densely populated as some parts of Western Europe at the time: it's just not a fair comparison.

>>213094007
There's really not much to explain, I just infodump sometimes when Mesoamerica comes up in threads. Some people find it interesting and enjoy it, other people find it annoying. On that note...

>>213090337
>213092561
>>213093375
Blame the people posting misinfo,, if not for that i'd have been done posting after I gave my thoughts on the movie in my first two posts. Why do you even care about my posts specifically and not the other 90% of the thread that's arguing about historical shit?

6/?

>>213080778 (OP)
more recycled slop for apericans

>>213083903
NAFO tranny bots

>>213090448
>The Mexica of the Aztec capital did likely sacrifice a few thousand people a year, but only certain victims had their remains used for ritual cannibalism, so I'd be skeptical thousands were cannibalized a year
Unfortunately, cannibalism was common. It was a ritualized practice and did not happen every day but it was a consistent part of someone's diet in Aztec society.
Typically, this was a process in which an aztec warrior would bring captives back after a raid or the remains of an enemy they killed.
The cosumption was a ritual and right of the warrior. The captive would usually be sacrificed in a ceremony and the remains would be prepared for the warrior who would in turn use it to feed their family.

This, it is speculated, occurred as a consequence of the area the Mexica lived. The central valley of mexico has little in the way of large game and there were essentially no beasts of burden such as large ungulates. It is thought that human meat was a sort of supplement to the diet of the Mexica to account for their dense population and (relatively) limited meat supply.

There is a somewhat well known account of when the conquistadors attacked a city in conjunction with their native allies in which the inhabitants of the city were essentially being consumed before the fighting was even over. Cholula? Maybe?
It was a point of contention in the trial of Cortes where he was made to answer for the barbarity of the natives "under his command" and his defense was essentially "there were too many of them for us to prevent it and that was their way".

Cannibalism was a common practice.

What in the fuck could possiby be the libtard answer against the indian "genocide"?
>dude just don't go to this unknown content that's probably rich in resources because tiny bugs you can't see will definitely kill these brown people because of germ theory (that you don't know) so just ignore el dorado

>>213094738
>you should have been peaceful and engaged in trade instead of conquest
>you should not have dismantled their culture and civilization
>you should have turned a blind eye to cannibalism and human sacrifice

>>213094941
Are you a fucking retarded mongoloid? Do germs not spread if you're le peaceful?

>>213081335
>Europan.
You never set a foot on mexico.
There is no white people there.
80% of spain is white

>>213092815
most of you whites subhumans don't read or write at all, why do you act like all of white civilization even read or write? The only thing your race is reading is porn and arotica, and only women read/write that

>>213094352
>None of the stuff we're seeing in the Amazon is anywhere close to as densely urbanized or populated as the main areas of Aztec civilization. Some of the Amazonian sites are probably actually big enough to be considered proper cities, but most aren't and wouldn't be exceptional by Mesoamerican standards
True. However, the accounts of Orellana told of large and dense. I'm struggling to find the quotes but it was something along the lines of a large city that fully occupied both banks of the river and ran continuously for a long distance. This would be a dense urban environment.

They also told of stopping at a village/town on the river which was abandoned by the inhabitants upon spotting the Spaniards approaching.
As they looted the town, some men searched the area only to discover a large paved road running in both directions. Large enough to march an army down, I believe is how it was maybe described. Essentially a large and organized civilization.

These accounts weren't given a lot of scrutiny until the penetrating radar confirmed at least moderate cities and roads. I would say we are only now uncovering what lies in the amazon basin.

>>213095056
>It seethed in its master's language

>>213080778 (OP)
>spics are white now after years of /pol/ saying they weren't
also batman is based off of zorro, and that guy fought spaniards too.

>>213095117
>tfw you realize you will be speaking in my own language soon (they are forcing whites to learn Spanish/Arabic in europe)
whites are not gonna be majority neither in the usa nor europe, in the end Mexican Chads WON hahaha

>>213095269
They're forcing whites to learn Spanish in Europe? The Europe that's the birthplace of Spanish or are you talking about a different Europe?

>>213095415
They are forcing americans to learn Spanish, the language of latinos, old european Spanish died because the official language authority in Spain (the RAE) now accepts latino words and sentence structure as the official way to speak Spanish, spaniards speak like Mexicans, even the biggest streamers and icons of current Spain culture speak like Mexicans with Mexican lingo and sentence structure.

americans are learning Mexican spanish, and the majority of america will be latino before the end of the century. You won't be masters for long, you aren't even masters right now (Jews are, and they are allied with minorities, not you), in the end, Mexicans and minorities in general won and won BIG.

why does the US of A have a state called new mexico?

>>213095564
What did you win? You can't do anything more technical than brake jobs. Everything will fall apart if the country's all beaners.

>>213095797
It used to be New and Improved Mexico but then a bunch of Mexicans moved there.

>>213084428
so the german scat fetish is ultimately because of sweden?

>>213095269
>>213095564
>spanish is OUR language

>>213094352
cont:

>>213094458
Harner's theory that Aztec cannibalism was a way to make up for a protein deficiency has been debunked for ages, same for most of his ideas.

Harner really just relies on the assumption that their lack of large domesticated livestock taken for granted in Eurasia like pig, cattle, sheep, etc left them without enough protein sources. But they had domestic turkey and dog as foodstuff, frequently hunted deer and hare, and nixtamalized maize/corn and beans alone can provide enough protein (he mentions all of these but handwaves them away, mainly in that they wouldn't be enough in times of famine). But chia and amaranth (which also made up a ton their of tax income) were also huge dietary staples and were key protein sources, and they also made use of fish, insects, reptiles, amphibians, spirulina etc which were abundant in the lake system as chinampa farms retained the ecology for them, and Harner entirely or mostly ignores all of those.

There simply was not a protein deficiency to begin with. And even if there were, as other researchers have noted, cannibalism would not have worked as a way to resolve it: it's entirely inefficient and unsustainable since a person needs way more protein to grow and live (not to mention the energy you expand in going to war to capture them) then they yield if butchered, which also simply actually isn't even that much even if you disregard the cost (and studies on diet from remains has shown pretty low levels of meat intake by Mesoamerican populations, which wouldn't be the case if cannibalism was a common part of the diet). There's also not a correlation between say the occurrence of flower wars and famines, and to top it all off, even Harner himself admits that there's not actually evidence of widespread dietary scale cannibalism, just limited ritual cannibalism

7/?

I noticed white conservatives are the only people that tweak out regarding aztecs

>>213094992
population likely wouldn't have dropped so much if europeans weren't invading and destroying their entire social system while shoving them inside new towns filled with eurasian animals so they could be proselytized

it would've been much better if things like smallpox and salmonella had been introduced during viking contact and the population had had time to recover by the time spanish showed up or of they had been contacted by east asians instead of abrahamic desert worshiping terrorists

>>213096243
>>213094458
cont:

Which is also why your statement that it was a common part of everybody's diet is just wrong.

Nobody, not even Harner, has asserted that, the sources are clear that cannibalism only happened with specific victims and only specific people could eat it. And in fact we have primary sources which show that cannibalism outside of the specific rituals associated it tends to come up in only negative or shocking contexts meant to be seen as abnormal or as acts of trickery or the people doing it being primitive and barbaric. And again, isotope studies show there wasn't much animal protein in the diet to begin with.

I would say, charitably and steelman my point as much as possible, that you could MAYBE read the events at Tecoaque, the presence of human bones in the Tikal palace reservoir kitchen midden, and accounts where soldiers taunt conquistadors by talking about how they'll be eaten as instances of broader non ritual cannibalism, and that some of the accounts describing nonritual cannibalism in negative terms is less specifically condemning the cannibalism itself and is more condemning the trickery involved in getting people to eat it in those annals or in it magically appearing in food as being fear inspiring, but again, this is playing devil's advocate and the interactions with the Spanish are not typical

See:
doi.org/10.1016/0305-4403(89)90068-X
jstor.org/stable/1746929
jstor.org/stable/643738
balsas-nahuatl.org/electronic-docs/Aztecs/Garn%20Noneconomic%20nature%20of%20eating%20people.pdf
researchgate.net/publication/229761556_Counting_Skulls_Comment_on_the_Aztec_Cannibalism_Theory_of_Harner-Harris
academia.edu/104864910/AZTEC_CANNIBALISM_Nahua_versus_Spanish_and_mestizo_accounts_in_the_Valley_of_Mexico
Tho I will note even some of these, despite pointing out the issues in harner's work and backing up what I say, have some of their own issues (EX arguing sacrifice was a population control method)

8/?

>>213095797
the spanish thought they were gonna encounter a new aztec empire to loot and pilfer in that area

>>213080778 (OP)
I don't get it

>>213096524
>>213096243
Ai slop answers lmao

>We must replace Batman from a white billionaire to an Aztecan

The desperation is palpable

From what I see, mexicans really hate themselves. A sad case of cognitive dissonace where they wanna be western, they wanna be white but at the same time they hate the United States and they hate the language they speak. They basically hate everything about themselves. Sad if you think about it

>>213097003
You're a moron if you think there's enough informed conversations about Mesoamerican stuff online for AI to spit out anything about the topic that's even close to coherent, let alone accurate. I'd also never fucking give a tech company my phone number to sign up like ChatGPT requires

And, you can search desuarchive, arch.b4k.dev, archived.moe, etc and see Mesoamerican infodumps from me going back to at least 2017, as seen here: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/378970575/#378981580 , well before AI slop was a thing

Lastly, can also, you know, read the academic papers I linked?

>>213080778 (OP)
Anti-white, anti-Christian, race-baiting propaganda aimed at the new American: brown Aztec descendants.

Go ahead and build your third temple kikes, we’re only going to destroy it again.

>>213081029
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81nima_(company)

It's the same studio that purchased the rights for Top Cat to make a new movie in 2011. Apparently Top Cat has a big following in Latin America.

>>213098221

Maybe you should focus on getting a life instead.

>>213099455
said the retardfaggot on 4chan at 12am

>>213081254
Idiotic meme.

>>213083281
The Spanish in particular only conquered Mexico because there was already high discontentment among the population. This idea that superhuman conquistadors won through cheer genetic superiority is in face of overwhelming odds is modern revisionist stupidity. Also, human sacrifices were always cringe, and Catholicism is the truth of the universe.

>>213083932
It is about intentions. Because no one can see the future and certainly the Spanish colonisers could not act with the knowledge of modern-day germ theory. So you're essentially blaming humans for being human and not gods. It's preposterous.

There are no screenshots or character designs being posted. I blame OP for being a faggot.

>>213080991
What's his view of Aztecs being a slave empire based on using human sacrifice as terror tactics to keep both it's own people and the surrounding nations in line, and that the Spanish conquest of central/south america was only possible because they found numerous tribes willing to ally with them solely because the aztecs were such murderous barbarians that the locals were willing to throw their lot in with gold hungry foreigners just to get out from under their rule, and that generally the Spanish integrated into the local cultures once the aztecs were smashed by the indigenous majority/spanish minority allied armies?

>>213098221
Mesoamericananon you're my favorite autist I love you dont ever change

>>213095878
kek

>>213096524
cont:

>>213100139
>>213100420
See >>213092339. Cortes getting allies has lot more to do with different city-states (not "tribes") opportunistically trying to gain or hold onto power then it does with Aztec rule being resented. The Mexica of the Aztec capital were warmongering conquerers, but not actually imperialistic or strict rulers in terms of the amount of meddling or governing they did over the places they conquered. Stuff like sacrifices were things everybody in the region also did, including the local states allied with Cortes.

>>213100356
If I stay up overnight, or if the thread is still up tomorrow, I'll dump character art, environmental art, etc from past articles and the NYCC panel and break down their historical and cultural influences.

>>213100917
I don't plan to, though as life changes happen I'm not sure I'll always have as much time as I do now to dump

9/9 for now, probably heading to bed soon

>>213101128
>Cortes getting allies has lot more to do with different city-states (not "tribes") opportunistically trying to gain or hold onto power then it does with Aztec rule being resented. The Mexica of the Aztec capital were warmongering conquerers, but not actually imperialistic or strict rulers in terms of the amount of meddling or governing they did over the places they conquered
Source? Sounds a bit like the Mongols.

bump

>>213101325
Divide and conquer
A tale as old as time

>>213101325
Anon look at the posts I directed you to, I link multiple posts I did in other threads, and those posts also link to other posts I did that give even more info, some of which ALSO have even more links.

Just to make it easy for you:

>>>/co/149549710
>>>/co/149549936
>>>/co/149549976
pastebin.com/h18M28BR
arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139
desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964

And yes, you can draw comparsions to the mongols, but the Mexica of the Aztec capital didn't usually raze/sack cities who refused to comply: They sometimes did, but typically they just invaded and tried to occupy the city to force the local king (or senate, high priest, etc: governments varied) into submission, and their tax burden would be worse then if they had voluntarily become a vassal and merely had to pay "gifts", plus obviously the Mexica would take spoils during the occupation.

In fact even if a city repeatedly tried to stop paying taxes, the Mexica often just went and re-conquered it over and over, though the more they did that and the fiercer they resisted the more likely it was that they'd make an exception and actually replace the local rulers or keep a garrsion of soldiers nearby (maybe, it's kinda complicated) or say "fuck it": and actually sack the city and massacre or enslave everybody there to make an example of them.

But maybe the Mongols didn't always default to sacks either, they're not my area. My impression is also that the Mexica, while hands off, were not AS hands off as the Mongols: The vibe I get is that the mongols were not really concerned with empire building at all and were more of a big racket, wheras the Mexica, while not interested (or able) to build a true imperial style empire, still did foster a hegemonic political network where they had power and intra-region influence and fingers in things, just via mostly indirect means

>>213094286
>Quetzalcoatlpilled*
fixed it for you.