What was your honest first reaction? A lot of people lied to themselves about liking it and did a 180 after The Last Jedi

>>213112866 (OP)
Dunno. There was a sloot bouncing on my penor half the time. I guess the movie was okay?

>>213112866 (OP)
It was entirely acceptable. Not good. Not bad. More just there.
I enjoyed parts of it. I remember thinking that its quality would be retroactively determined by its sequels... so yeah

liked Rey's Theme. the puppets and CGI were good. Kylo Ren was a great baddie (even thought his shoddy lightsaber was cool).

did not like any of the other characters, the general plot, or any individual scenes. and turn the glow down on the lightsabers.

Marvelized remake of the original one. I didn't hate it, but I didn't like it either. I actually enjoyed TLJ more.

>>213112866 (OP)
>people lied to themselves about liking the prequels when they first came out
>people lied to themselves over liking TFA
why are Star Wars fans like this

I only remembered kanji club and tr8or. There was also a little kid that yelled "Yeah bitch!" when Rey forced grabbed a lightsaber and started wailing on Kylo, which made the theater laugh. Kino experience

>>213112866 (OP)
I rewatched it last year and it's even worse than I remember. The foundation of the film is inherently flawed. JJ simply cannot tell a satisfying story

>>213112866 (OP)
I cant remember a single thing that happened in it. was this the Space Leia one?

The last one makes this film retroactively worse. It went from maybe 6/10 to 4/10 and now I consider it one of the worst Star Wars movies. Maybe even worse than Attack of the Clones which I deeply dislike.

JJ really fucked this franchise irreparably with this movie, a shameless New Hope remake with a completely retarded premise doomed anything that could have possibly followed this up even if you want to ignore all the completely stupid shit that pertains to the Republic and the remnants of the empire 20 years after they got completely smoked

>>213113123
No that was TLJ which Rian Johnson made after this, this is the one where Harrison Ford gets a paycheck to be grumpy and die on a 3rd death star which can instantly destroy 8 planets at once

I was done with Disney Wars after seeing the trailer for this movie. No regrets

>>213113158
Attack of the Clones has some of the best music, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMiMDBHnJ0

it's pretty grim when there's a new Star Wars film and the music is just...fine.

>>213112866 (OP)
I did not like this movie at all.

>>213113197
people memed on John Boyega, but i was happy he was in it (liked Attack the Block), and i thought he was the main character.
even after seeing the film, i still thought he was the protagonist.
>oh the boring Jedi girl is a secondary character, that's interesting.

no idea how the hell i got there, in hindsight.

>>213112866 (OP)
It was okay until they inserted the Kanji Klub scene with the tentacle monsters, which felt very forced and completely unnecessary, sort of lost interest from there, the final battle was just recycled filler. Some decent ideas generally, but a horribly rushed production where they went way too far in several places.

>>213112866 (OP)
I actually liked and still like it, even if it's just a rehash of Episode 4. The other two movies make it look much worse in hindsight though.

I liked it despite its flaws hoping they would improve the story instead of smashing it into a tree like a speeder bike

>>213112866 (OP)
It was alright if don't give much thought into it, but it already poisoned the well. VII ruined the original cast and their character's arc by making the plot a rehash of IV, and giving a sense that the Original Trilogy didn't even matter: Even if Luke and the gang saved the galaxy, we still have an Not-Empire and a Not-Rebel group. That's retarded. The first movie of a new trilogy should at least show what victory over the empire accomplished, and then slowly make a new Big Bad creep in and try to destroy what Luke, Leia and Han built. The worst offender is Han Solo, made to be an pathetic old man which manages to have the Millenium Falcon stolen from him.

Lucas' original ideas for the sequel trilogy were better than Abrams' VII, but the Millenial and Gen X fandom (eg.: RLM and the People vs Lucas doc) onions rage over stupid shit, made sure Disney wouldn't touch his ideas with a ten foot pole.

I dare anyone to watch this in retrospect and not cringe in the first 30 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5bi-k2bd38

>>213112866 (OP)
the first of this trilogy was actually fine. I remember all the memes about this guy

but then they fucked it up in the second and the third was an outright insult

>>213112866 (OP)
I thought Rey's armpits were hot and lickable but that's about it.

>>213112866 (OP)
The movie started simply, and ramped up to stupid before it was over. When it was over I walked out of the theater while complaining about the absurd new death star.

I’ll be honest, I was primed to hate it (I’d already skimmed through some of the leaks that made it obvious it was a rehash of ANH). And I hated it.
But mostly for how bland and uninspired it was. It felt almost patronizing: “hey look we reused the X-wing you love so much”, “hey look we got the empire back and the rebellion”, “hey look it’s stormtroopers”, “hey look sand planet”.

I guess some people ate it up, but I felt extremely put off at how safe it was, and being denied any new ship designs, any new lore or interesting setting…

I remember feeling extremely blueballed by the Knights of Ren, which seemed like the only original concept in the movie, but which showed up in the movie as long as they did in the trailer (basically just a quick-cut of them when Rey picks up Luke’s lightsaber).
My eyes were rolling out of their sockets when the X-wings attacked Starkiller base and repeated everything from ANH unironically.

Disappointment. It was exactly as I feared it would be, an inferior and redundant remake of ANH to satisfy brainless normies with genderswap and the likes of Han Solo having not progressed an inch as a character hobbling around looking like he's about to break a hip.

>>213112909
This- pretty much everyone's response was 'this is fine but if the next movie is shit it won't matter.' And then the next movie proceeded to be total shit.

I was like 18 or 19 and was so convinced the PT was blasphemy that I convinced myself it was all right then I saw 8 and hated it and retroactively kinda reeled back my take on 7. Kyle Ren sucks and I might honestly like 9 the most because at least the emperor was cool

>>213112866 (OP)
What I remember is excuses and "laying the ground" for future movies: It's a new world, a new generation, you need some time for the characters to grow, it has potential, etc.

I decided not to watch it when I realized they made a female the main character

>>213112866 (OP)
>listen to a whore talking for more than 1 minute
yeah no it was shit. I turned it off like 20 min in.

Hated it and had like a solid 6 years of vindication afterwards as the sequels came out and people started coming around to the realization it was awful and ruined everything to follow.
Can’t believe some people are still madder about TLJ than this unapologetic remake.

>>213113172
An actual shameless remake of a New Hope would have been much better than what it actually was, the similarities between the two stories has no depth at all, everything that ties the plot together in A New Hope is missing from Force Awakens

>>213112866 (OP)
I called it out for being utter fucking dogshit, ofc /tv/ was overrun with viral marketers and shills at that time, so it fell on deaf ears.
Time proved me right though

>>213113864
>I remember feeling extremely blueballed by the Knights of Ren
You like how they jobbed a 20 second fight scene in TROS?

>>213113158
AotC really is still irredeemable garbage though. The only movie I consider worse is The Rise of Skywalker.

>>213112866 (OP)
I realized it was dogshit but I didn't have the heart to tell my friends. I was right tho.

>>213112866 (OP)
It was fine, but not memorable, unlike the first 6

>>213112909
>I remember thinking that its quality would be retroactively determined by its sequels...
The other way around, the sequels were destined to be shit because of what TFA set up.

>>213112866 (OP)
>What was your honest first reaction?
Uproarious cheering and clapping when the Star Wars theme started playing in the cinema, along with the entire rest of the cinema. No matter what else, at least we got to hear the John Williams theme blasting again.

If you mean the movie as a whole? I thought it was okay, and still think that. Flawed, but then again it's not like A New Hope was without its problems. Nothing about it came across as salvageable, and I think there were ways to make the whole thing work going forward.

We just don't live in the timeline where they did.

i remember that it was so shit that i didn't bother watching the other that came out after

>>213112866 (OP)
Hearing the opening John Williams fanfare and seeing the opening scroll legit brought tears of joy to my eyes. By the end of the movie I had been entertained. Decent little modern rehash of A New Hope.
The Last Jedi is unironically the best movie of the sequel trilogy. It's only flaw was juggling too many subplots and thus being a half hour too long.

>>213114744
By that point, we knew the entirety of Lucasfilms was just winging it and they were never even meant to be anything but trailer-bait. I still don’t understand what they were supposed to be, or why they were supposed to be Jedi-level if they were wielding literal bats and clubs.

>>213114935
>I think there were ways to make the whole thing work going forward.
JJ shills trying to rehabilitate his career are lurking here.

How would you have made "the whole thing work going forward"?

You need to answer JJ's mystery boxes:
Who is Snoke? What is his goal?
Who were the Knights of Ren?
What is the First Order? What is its goal?
Why did Kylo Ren turn to the Darkside?
Who is Captain Phasma and why is she obsessed with Finn?
Why did Finn defect? Why was he able to fight Kylo Ren at the end of TFA? Is he Force Sensitive?
How did Lor San Tekka come into possession of the map to Skywalker?
Who is Rey? Who is the family she’s waiting on to return for her on Jakku?
Why did Rey's family leave her?
Why is she so powerful in the Force?
How did Rey learn how to fight?
How did Rey learn to pilot the Falcon?
How did the Millennium Falcon end up on Jakku?
Why did Han Solo go back to swindling people?
What happened between Han and Leia to drive them apart?
How did Maz Kanata come to have Luke’s original light saber?
Why does Rey see visions and hear the voices of Obiwan and Yoda when she touches Luke’s light saber?
How did Kylo Ren get the melted helmet of Darth Vader?
Why does it seem Maz Kanata seem to know exactly who Rey is after talking to Han?
Why does Rey see a vision of an island when Kylo Ren looks into her mind?
Why does Leia seem to know Rey when they first meet?
Why did the Republic disarm and move is capital to Hosnian Prime?
Is Coruscant still around? What happened to it?
Who is funding the Resistance?
What will the Republic's reaction be to Hosnian Prime being destroyed?
How was Starkiller Base built? Who funded it?
Why did Leia not recognize Chewbacca?
What has Luke been up to?
Why did he leave a map for people to find him?
Was he expecting Rey to find him?
What is he doing on the island?
What happened to the New Jedi Order?

How would you answer all these questions in a satisfying manner and continue the Star Wars Saga™ ?

>>213112866 (OP)
7/10. Not what i expected or hoped to see, but it was servicable enough nostalgia bait that could still be expanded upon in interesting ways (they didnt do that). Beside that, pretty forgettable

>>213114935
Oh, one thing I still like to this day in the ST, is that lightsabers are heavy again. Yeah, it makes no God-damn sense that a lightsaber should have any real weight to it, but I just like it more when it looks like it takes effort to swing them around.

Not to say that the Duel of the Fates, or Anakin verses OBi-Wan, aren't awesome lightsaber fights. I could watch the first 10 seconds of Obi-wan verses Darth Maul after Qui-gon's death on loop all day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsAEdblcqU4

But that being said, I just overall like the way the sabers move in the Sequel Trilogy more.

>>213114961
If nothing else, at least TLJ tried to shut down the most annoying parts of Star Wars, which is that everyone has to be related to each other. But I guess retarded Star Wars nerds got so butthurt that Rey didn’t have a secret “le origin story” that they had to reverse course in the last movie.

>>213115097
The Last Jedi sucked ass.
But any sequel would have sucked ass because of the initial setup.

>>213112940
Kylo Ren was whiny pathetic bitch, worst Jedi of them all, dark jedi are supposed to be menacing not cry babies

>>213115097
That wasn't something TLJ needed to call attention to or knock down, though. I prefer Rey being unrelated to established characters, but it goes about it in such an awkward self-aware way, which is how the whole film is. TFA already dealt with her parents well enough.

>>213115019
>You need to answer JJ's mystery boxes:
I mean, not all of them. A strict watching of just the original trilogy leaves us with no clue who the Emperor is other than "the Emperor" - he's not even named - but the movies aren't worse for it. Not all questions need to be answered.

That being said...

>Who is Snoke?
Supreme Leader of the First Order
What is his goal?
Rule the Galaxy
>Who were the Knights of Ren?
Force using arm of the First Order
>What is the First Order?
Answered in the TFA
>What is its goal?
Answered in TFA. Hux gave a kickass speech and everything.
>Why did Kylo Ren turn to the Darkside?
They had cookies.
>Who is Captain Phasma
Leader of the Stormtrooper arm of the First Order
>and why is she obsessed with Finn?
Personally affronted by his treachery. Before that he was a literally who to her.
>Why did Finn defect?
Because he was scared and didn't want to take part in the First Order
>Why was he able to fight Kylo Ren at the end of TFA?
Because Ren was injured and emotionally unstable. Even then, note that Finn loses.
>How did Lor San Tekka come into possession of the map to Skywalker?
Many Bothans died to give him that information.
>Who is Rey? Who is the family she’s waiting on to return for her on Jakku?
Just some girl, no one special. This is actually something I like from TLJ
>Why did Rey's family leave her?
They sold her for drinking money.
>Why is she so powerful in the Force?
Some people are just born with it: Mace Windu, Sheev Palpatine, etc..
>How did Rey learn how to fight?
On Jakku, with a staff. She beat Ren because he was injured and emotionally unstable. Were he neither of those things, he'd have trounced her.

cont'd...

>>213112866 (OP)
I watched it in 3D and it was a much different experience than the 2D version. But after watching it, it felt more like I had just watched something like an EA video game tier fanfic. Star Wars 1 and Phantom Menace both star and end as a complete film. Force Awakens feels like Dunc Part 1 where you know theres more and you have to wait. Then Last Jedi was really weak but it was visually pleasing. Rise of Skywalker was just terrible.

>>213115220
I agree it was extremely contrived (*wink wink* too), but it seemed like Kyle Ren was using it to break down Rey and tap into her insecurities. But then the movie cucks out and she doesn’t even go dark side, so what was even the point.

>>213112909
unironically this
I liked it at the time would never watch it again though

>>213113123
Did you know legendary actor Max Von Sydow was in it?

>>213115289
>I actually like all the lame answers the ST gave us and wouldn't change a thing
Thanks for outing yourself out as a shill. You don't need to post the second part.

>>213112866 (OP)
Last Jedi was kino solely because Rian canonized the prequels which made Gen x faggots seethe. Force Awakens meanwhile was pure Gen X slop.

>>213112866 (OP)
Never saw it because it looked like shit.

>>213115289
>How did Rey learn to pilot the Falcon?
Star Wars has never been particularly concerned with that. In RotJ an Ewok sits on a speeder bike for the first time and figures out how to turn it on; two more help Chewie pilot an AT-ST. Anakin was piloting pod racers as a toddler. Star Wars tech has always been depicted as ridiculously user-friendly.
>How did the Millennium Falcon end up on Jakku?
Literally explained in TFA
>Why did Han Solo go back to swindling people?
Literally explained in TFA
>What happened between Han and Leia to drive them apart?
Literally explained in TFA
>How did Maz Kanata come to have Luke’s original light saber?
She was on Cloud City and found it.
>Why does Rey see visions and hear the voices of Obiwan and Yoda when she touches Luke’s light saber?
The Force is reaching out to her.
>How did Kylo Ren get the melted helmet of Darth Vader?
Went to Endor and dug it up.
>Why does it seem Maz Kanata seem to know exactly who Rey is after talking to Han?
Force sensitivity.
>Why does Rey see a vision of an island when Kylo Ren looks into her mind?
Because she's seeing an image of the future, and her meeting with Luke. Or in other words, literally explained in TFA.
>Why does Leia seem to know Rey when they first meet?
The Force
>Why did the Republic disarm and move is capital to Hosnian Prime?
Poor choices. I'm not actually a fan of this one. I did say it was an imperfect movie.
>Is Coruscant still around?
Yes
What happened to it?
It's just not the capital anymore. Nations can move capitals, you know.
>Who is funding the Resistance?
Lando. Duh.
>What will the Republic's reaction be to Hosnian Prime being destroyed?
Internal disorder and strife that the First Order uses to expand its influence and territory on the path to reclaiming the Empire.
>How was Starkiller Base built?
Carefully
>Who funded it?
The First Order
>Why did Leia not recognize Chewbacca?
Pretty sure she did.

cont'd...

>make a sexy bad bitch
>She's completely useless
>Dunk on her even harder in the second movie

>>213115406
It’s clear that Disney only did a trilogy out of obligation. Both sequels to Force Awakens felt very much like their shitty direct to video sequels to their princess films .

>>213115406
>dooms her entire faction by giving up the shield codes or whatever
>”le trash compactor joke xD”
>still around in the next movie (alive and somehow still position of authority in First Order)

>>213112866 (OP)
I enjoyed it tremendously. I had been living in a hut in the Gambia for about a year. (The Gambia is a country that doesn't have any movie theatres.) I went across to Senegal and saw that this movie was playing. I watched it and enjoyed every second of it simply because it was cinema. I was reminded of the magic of cinema, which I hadn't experienced in so many months. Of course, it was dubbed in French. I couldn't remember what "la carte" meant, so I was pretty confused about the plot. Anyway, I enjoyed it a lot. I never saw the subsequent films.

>>213115097
Han wasn't related to anyone. Chewie wasn't related to anyone. Yoda wasn't related to anyone. Obi Wan wasn't related to anyone. Lando wasn't related to anyone. R2D2 wasn't related or created by a named character. Qui Gon Jin wasn't related to anyone. Padme wasn't related to anyone. Sidius wasn't related to anyone.
I could go on and on, this whole bullshit of everyone being related was blown wildly out of proportion, and happened almost purely in fan fiction spaces. A blockbuster film with the budget and attention that TLJ had should not be so small and petty that it goes and tries to "correct" idiot fan theories, that it goes out of its way to do it. But Rian just couldn't help himself, just like he can't control any of his idiot impulses as a writer and director, he just had to have his say on it when he could have simply just ignored it.

>>213115289
>What has Luke been up to?
Midlife crisis after Ben Solo turned to the Dark Side.
>Why did he leave a map for people to find him?
He didn't. The map was to the old Jedi sanctuary. It was a guess that he would be there.
>Was he expecting Rey to find him?
Probably. He's strong in the Force and can see the future.
>What is he doing on the island?
Midlife crisis after Ben Solo turned to the Dark Side.
>What happened to the New Jedi Order?
Them, I'd still have around (if decimated by the Knights of Ren), just divided because it hadn't advanced far enough for a proper new Council to be formed.

>>213115463
>>213115445
JJ Abrams was a mistake. I bet Disney saw what he did with Star Trek and thought that's what Star Wars fans want from the new trilogy.

>>213115487
>But Rian just couldn't help himself, just like he can't control any of his idiot impulses as a writer and director,
I remain a Rian Johnson fan because I never saw his Star Wars movie.

>>213115406
>>Dunk on her even harder in the second movie
The deleted scene version of her death is better.

>>213115545
Its visually pleasing but a really shitty star wars movie. I too enjoy Rian films, especially Brick and Looper and those Knives Out films arent too bad.

>>213115406
Gwendolyn Christie is so fucking hot bro, the one and only bad thing about being tall is it's almost impossible to find girls who are the same height as or taller than you are.

>>213115528
JJ Star Trek was actually good though, unlike actual Star Trek films (which most trekkies actually hate, just like pretty much every Star Trek series that came out after TNG.)

>>213115591
>Its visually pleasing but a really shitty star wars movie.
I just found myself unable to care enough to watch it. I dunno, I loved Star Wars when I was a kid, I was hyped as fucked for Episode I, I engaged all the way through the prequels. I even had both of those Ewoks movies when I was a kid. But eventually my tank just ran dry. It's not a religion, like I'm obliged to stay hyped up about it from early childhood until the day I die. Anyway, that spared me having to be disappointed and annoyed with TLJ.

>>213112909
>it was completely acceptable
>when it starts with uhhh who talks first
Movie was shit entire way down
>nooo im the heckin peaceful niggerino
>except when I shoot my own fellow troopers now I go WOO and AYO

>>213115601
I think the first two star treks are fine. But using that style on Star Wars doesn't work. JJ would have been better directing Rogue Squadron or something with a lot of action.

>>213112866 (OP)
I hated it after 10 minutes in, when they randomly tone-shifted from being a serious war drama to being over-the-top silly action and hijinks. Then as I watched, I hated it even more as I realized how much of it was just nonsensical nostalgia bait.

>>213115640
They are shills. I wouldn't be surprised if JJ hired an Indian call center to try to resurrect his dead career. There's also a LOST thread up.

TFA love is not organic.

>>213115545
Looper was dumb as hell too. Only other of his films I've seen was the second of those detective ones with Daniel Craig and I only saw that because my family insisted we watch it over Christmas when it had just come out and did that weird Netflix + cinemas release. Everything I've seen of his is absolute garbage, there's zero depth to it and even when something seems interesting on the surface, the moment you think about it for longer than 5 seconds it just falls apart.

>>213115682
I wouldn't be surprised if all the other replies to that post were pradeeps

I thought it was painfully average and forgettable. Figured it was just me, when all my friends seemed to have loved it.

Weird it took the next 2 movies for people to realize how meh 7 was.

>>213115640
>>when it starts with uhhh who talks first
Pretty sure it starts with Stormtroopers massacring a desert encampment and FN-2187 seeing one of his buddies die in front of his eyes.

>>213115682
>anyone who doesn't hate it as much as me is a shill
anon your autism's leaking again

>>213115694
>Looper was dumb as hell too.
No it wasn't.

>>213115732
Nobody on planet Earth is nostalgic for the Disney trilogy. Not TFA, not TLJ, not ROS. It will never be a thing. Not even Gen Alpha nostalgia will save this dumpster fire.

>>213112866 (OP)
Faggot shit.

>>213112866 (OP)
I was most likely in denial and taking copium, that this trilogy would be better than the prequels

>>213112866 (OP)
I always hated it and always said as much.

I don't like the Last Jedi, but I was always very disturbed that people only began to dislike Force Awakens after seeing Last Jedi. As bad as The Last Jedi is, at least it tried something.

The Force Awakens is a soulless film with not a single original thought in it. To me, that is the worst thing you could possibly be. Yet, I think most people revealed they are 100% onboard that sort of thing and will only turn on franchises when it """betrays the fans""" Last Jedi style.

>>213115154
different type of villain. whiny emo brats have always existed. it's how King John is usually portrayed.

hell, Darth Sidious cries about how he's too weak ;___; in RotS, and that was the right move. Lucas could have written him as invincible badass dark sorcerer, the whole time. it's more interesting when he's manipulative like this.

>>213112866 (OP)

Well, seeing how it was Disney´s first time i gave it the benefit of the doubt even though as far as i was concerned SW was finished and every plot was closed. Which is another way of saying i expected nothing of it but didn´t want to run my mouth just for the sake of it.

So you see, i expected nothing and was still disappointed. I mean, i expected the bare minimum respect for SW and the bare minimum understanding of classic story telling. It was Disney after all... what reason could they have possibly had to purposely ruin an IP as expensive as SW? It´s not as if they were known to be incompetent at that time either.

I guess at the time we still didn´t have the full context to understand they never wanted to make SW movies to begin with...

>>213115927
What the fuck does "At least it tried something" mean? Pulling the rug out from under every setup is not "trying something", it's just shitty story telling. Meanwhile every story beats it "tried" to create for itself goes nowhere, it's an incoherent mess and it's far too occupied with trying to be meta and telling us how clever it is, but when you put it's puzzle pieces together, the picture it forms is full of holes and parts of it are clearly from a different box.

>>213115775
>strawmanning this hard
seek help

>>213116137
What I mean is, it wasn't ESB 2.0 how TFA was ANH 2.0. The Last Jedi fails entirely, but I give it credit for going in a different direction then the most predictable path with the most tired hero's journey bullshit we have seen before.

I wouldn't have been surprised if that is what most people would have wanted though. I think those people are slop eaters of the highest caliber.

>>213116244
>it wasn't ESB 2.0 how TFA was ANH 2.0
It literally was though? Just move the crait shit from tlj to the start and voila it's structurally identical

>>213116244
You shouldn't be giving it credit for something that small and dumb. This isn't kindergarten where every child should get a participation trophy just for having tried.

Stylistically, this movie made no sense. This wasn't the type of franchise you do s rehash movie for. It had 6 original entries then this rehash movie. Doesn't fit. Loaded with diversity narratives. The movie is a soul less piece of shit. The prequels were shit but they did have some soul to them. This movie completely turned the franchise into a hollow husk. There was still a strong franchise after the dogshit prequels. There was no coming back from this.

>>213112866 (OP)
I liked it and simultaneously had no interest in ever seeing it again. Same reaction I had for TLJ and TROS though. I never liked Star Wars though so there was nothing for these films to ruin. The reaction of the Star Wars community however has been endlessly fascinating to me.

>>213116457
It is small credit but I will give the credit regardless, because I think Requels like The Force Awakens is some of the most mind numbing and vomit inducing shit imaginable. I really don't know how people stand it.

>>213112866 (OP)
Everybody was praising the movie as the second coming but I always knew it was shit. I felt like I was taking crazy pills

>>213115937
>hell, Darth Sidious cries about how he's too weak.
Yeah but not to the extent that Kylo does, and Sidious was at least scary, he looks scary and he acts scary

>>213116244
But it literally does do the heroes journey, it just does it incredibly shittily and then decides that subverting expectations instead of giving a payoff at the appropriate moments is interesting.
Like take Rey's "training" with Luke, that's classic heroes journey. He's the reluctant mentor (that's been done a million times before) she's the overeager young kid trying to discover who they are and her lineage (let's ignore that in Force Awakens she doesn't care about her parentage). It's step for step the heroes journey (but sped up and done poorly) until Rey is put face to face with the villain(s) and it's time to pay off her arc.
But instead of payoffs, one villain kills the other and then tells her that her linage doesn't matter. Oh wow, what a payoff. But that's not even the worst part about that, the worst bit about it is that it's fucking placed way too early in the film. It's doing Empire Strikes Back, but it places the confrontation between Vader and Luke in the second act instead of being the climax, and it replaces "I'm your father" with "Lololololol, you are nobody, do you want to fuck?" as the big reveal.

>>213116860
true. he IS a seethy little prick, but it works. i lived through decades of the novels where it was just
>yeah he says something about power, then turns evil.

every fucking OC-do-not-steal turned to the Dark Side or was a redeemed Sith/Imperial

>>213114910
Go to bed rian

>>213112866 (OP)
I hated it, it was more of the same, not a single original idea.

>>213112909
Pretty much.

>>213112866 (OP)
Was tolerating it until they blew up the New Republic without even showing it.
From that moment I started hating it.
Only pirated TLJ to laugh at it and didn't even bother with TROS.

Disney's sequels make Legacy of the Force look good in comparison, and that shit was Troy Denning at his worst.

>>213112909
absolute reddit tier opinion. movie was trash i died of boredom and should have walked out

>>213115601
Nah, JJ Trek was pure "uh well I guess if enough normalfags and children get into Trek through this it's ok" and then that thinking allowed nutrek to happen. And both the JJtrek sequels were as bad as TNG movies.

>>213112866 (OP)
I thought it sucked. Very corporate, no creativity involved, an abject insult to George's universe. It doesn't have any redeeming qualities either, it's just an inferior remake of ANH. That's why all arguments which one was worse feel pointless, the game was rigged from the start.

>>213116137
All the JJ setups were absolutely terrible and literally any director no matter how conservative (not the political sense) would have tried to put some kind of spin on them.

I loved it. It was everything a new Star Wars movie should be and I still stand by that to this day. One of the biggest complaints is that it's "just a remake of the first movie", but that's honestly fine. Some times it okay to play it safe because if you do something different just for the sake of different, it never turns out good and people would have complained anyway. Definitely in my top 5 Star Wars movies, maybe even top 3.

>>213115927
TLJ didnt try anything, it followed what TFA did of dooming the sequels to be more Empire vs Rebels crap.
Seriously, what did TLJ do? Trying and failing to copy Professor X's character arc in Days of Future Past onto Luke?
Making the entire movie a slow space chase with so little tension people were flying out and coming back to the ship that was being chased?

>>213117263
Playing it safe is creative bakrupcy, and if you have no capacity to have original thoughts you shouldn't work on Star Wars.
Its a whole goddamn universe out there and you can't think of anything beyond what's shown in three of the six movies made for it?

>>213117177
Why didn't Rian put a spin on them then? Terrible or not, the setups were incredible open ended giving Rian all the freedom he could ever wish for, but instead he just closed the setups and then went and pursued setups that weren't actually there in the first film. And then promptly shut down those too.

>>213117263
>>213117315
The "remake of A New Hope" argument is bullshit anyway. Yes, it has a few things in common, but most of the time it's its own movie.

>>213112866 (OP)
I was incredibly disappointed

Should have started out with a solo movie set just a couple years after ROTJ, showing the liberation of Coruscant and the point where the Empire got truly fucked and devolved into the Remnant.
Then go into the sequels with a story that serves as an epilogue.

>>213112866 (OP)
I was on board with the movie and kind of brushing away the dumb things (The falcon just being there, Han having returned to smuggling, Finn's 180, etc etc.) until they got to that part where they get boarded (I think?) and they free a tentacle monster.
I kind of broke and stopped caring about it. I remained in the theater but was somewhat zoned out and didn't really follow the movie, just watched the pretty moving pictures and waited for it to get over, like cattle.
I haven't watched a Star Wars movie again after that. I didn't hate TFA nor did I like it. I felt just a little bit of, I am sorry I don't know if it is the right word, "remorse" because if the script was written by competent writers it could have been a much better movie.
I didn't care enough to watch TLJ, if that helps to know.

>>213112866 (OP)
Why didnt they get someone with talent in war movies like Ridley Scott to direct this instead of JJ and literally whos like Rian Johnson?

>>213117575
I might sound insane, but with someone dedicated to handling the entirety of the writing aspect, Michael Bay could have made something memorable about Star Wars.
One of the weakest aspects of the sequels is how damn weak the action scenes are, and Bay has a hang for epic, bombastic, military themed spectacle.

>>213117474
I dunno, lots of the scenes are clearly trying to mirror a new hope, but almost all of them are placed out of order and the film can' decide which character is meant to fill which role. For instance, in the first act, Poe is filling the Princess Leia role (first confronted by the villain and captured after having sent a drone out, then having to be rescued) then he's completely gone for the second act which leaves a void missing the Leia role in the story, and then in the third act he's filling in as the Luke role but without being the main character. And what makes it even more of a mess is that his personality is clearly trying to be more like original Han.

>>213114910
This was my thought. Didn't understand why people thought any of those mystery boxes were well thought out. Lots of shit that doesn't make sense.

>>213112866 (OP)
Hated it. Felt like a complete retread of New Hope but none of the characters were likable this time.

>>213112866 (OP)
I read the opening crawl and was completely bored. This continued as the actual movie began. I was too bored to even be bothered by all the dumb stuff in it. I simply could not follow it, yet I finished watching it because I was in the cinema with several friends. Can't remember it though.

Funnily enough, I can remember several scenes from the Last Jedi. As ridiculous and horrendous as that one was, at least the rape of Star Wars was fascinating to behold. And if Last Jedi was the rape, then Force Awakens was a very boring sterile pre-rape, a very boring but methodical tying up of its victim, the Star Wars franchise, perfectly done in retrospect for the rape that followed with Last Jedi and the rape of the corpse of Star Wars with Rise of Skywalker which I only saw a camrip of once late 2019.

>>213112866 (OP)
>Luke has disappeared and everyone is looking for him. Empire is back btw.
Even the opening was boring.

>>213112866 (OP)
>This will begin to make things right
As soon as I heard the first line I knew the sequels would end up being more hated than the prequels, the anti prequel subtext that runs through the film was just tempting fate.
The film was mostly just average but the final fight annoyed me especially when the chasm opened between Kylo and Ray ending it on complete cop out

>>213112866 (OP)
Literally fell asleep during the title crawl. Not joking. It was the very definition of a mid movie. Not awful. Not good. Just middling in every way.

>>213112909
literally this
i think i wanted it to be good but it felt like just another blockbuster but with star wars music

>>213112866 (OP)
>The Last Jedi
TFA was a terrible episode seven and an obvious reboot of episode four. However, there were still 2/3 movies left. People were willing to hold their condemnation and let it play out. If the remaining two had been amazing, then TFA's could be accepted. Instead Last Jedi blew the biggest shart of diarrhea into the audience's face in all of cinema. It was so bad that it was very obvious all three movies would be extremely terrible. There was no pulling out of that nose dive in the final movie of a trilogy that had nothing set up for a finale and everything already closed off in the worst ways possible.

>>213115694
that shit got shilled so fucking hard to
>he can make a good movie just watch looper
>I watch it and it's dumb as hell
anons are still coping about years later >>213115766
same with his retarded knives out movies.

>>213112866 (OP)
a lazy modern rehash of a new hope except gayer

>>213117575
They needed a spineless director they could control

>>213112866 (OP)
It seemed like a competent ANH rehash, but I felt short-changed that Luke wasn't in it.

>>213112866 (OP)
Not great, but better than the prequels

>>213112866 (OP)
>What was your honest first reaction?
A repeat of A New Hope.

>>213112866 (OP)
Disappointing and soul less, it was basically JJ Trek 2.0.

>>213117446
It wasn't open-ended.

"Luke turned into a hermit loser who escaped to an island instead of helping his friends" was set up by TFA. There was no satisfying explanation to continue the story. It's writing yourself into a hole and leaving another director to pick up the pieces, typical JJ fare.

>>213112866 (OP)
Last movie I watched on a cine, hated every second

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtArKawnWNI

>>213115097
Rey being the child of absolute nobodies was a bold choice and the people who made the 3rd sequel are cowards for backing off from it.

I didn't watch it until it was available online and I had already been conditioned to hate it when I watched it

I thought it was mega lame that they just reverted the status quo back to how it was in the OP, with the heroes being rebels fighting against an empire.
Finn being comic relief was surprising and disappointing, in the trailer he seemed like a serious character, even a little tragic.
I saw the shades of Rey being a bit of a Mary Sue but it wasn't too bad just yet. The most egregious part for me was that she was able to do a Jedi mind trick on that stormtrooper without ever having had any training.
Han and Leia naming their kid Ben was slightly annoying to me since that name obviously has a lot more meaning for Luke so he should be the one using it for his kid.

>>213121243
This is what every anime ever does

>>213119787
>>I watch it and it's dumb as hell
No it isn't.

>>213112866 (OP)
Seething. /tv/ had nothing but praise for this movie for weeks so I gave it a try and like clockwork I was bored immediately and had to sit and watch these fags fuck up SW as hard as they could. Never again am I listening to a fucking thing you shills pimp as good.

>>213121521
>/tv/
It's not /tv/. They are Disney shills trying to rehabilitate their trilogy. 70% of this board is shilling now.

>>213115481
any of other stories of living in darkest africa?

I gave it a 7/10 when I first watched. I was a big Star Wars fan and I wanted it to be good. I got swept away in the spectacle and nostalgia, I admit. The more I thought about it, the more I disliked it. Then I realized they completely destroyed the OT's story and characters to prop up the new ones. It made the prequels and originals pointless because the Empire came back even harder. Then TLJ came out and it was even worse. I was a fool to trust Disney, even if I loved Rogue One and Andor.

>>213112866 (OP)
Walked out of the theater as soon as the nigger stormtrooper popped his face up