Was it really that bad?

I liked it

>>213278103 (OP)

it was groundbreaking and underrated

not it was not that bad, and the ambition of what they were trying to pull off for the time is insane. faggot weebs disliked it because it doesn't have the stupid anime-ish trappings of the games, normies disliked it because it was overhyped as literally being photoreal and because adult animation has a very limited audience. but it is absolutely artistically worthy.

>>213278114
I didn't hate it, but it's been a while since I watched it.

What always makes me kek is how every attempt Square has made at writing a coherent, compelling two hour screenplay has blown up in their slit-eyed faces.
Yet somehow, /v/niggers will defend them as if their "games" are the second coming of Christ, when they're absolute dogshit, the original moviegame franchise. Makes shit like The Last of Us and God of War (2018) look like proper interactive experiences.
>Xbox! See if Hideo Kojima has announced a casting call for Death Stranding 3!

It caused Sakaguchi to resign from Squaresoft in disgrace which resulted in no good Final Fantasy game ever being released again so yeah I'd say overall it was pretty bad.

>>213278232
What about Advent Children? I thought that was kinda shit.

Only thing I remember feeling about the movie was that it wasn't a Final Fantasy, but I still liked it. No FF game to that point was essentially a full on sci-fi. That wasn't until XIII landed many years later. You could argue parts of VIII & X were, but it wasn't the primary aesthetic driving what you saw in them.

>>213278103 (OP)
the soundtrack? No, it's incredible. Never seen the movie though

>>213278103 (OP)
It's a fine soundtrack, I don't recall anyone saying it was bad. Not sure why you would think that.

Feels kinda like some Japs read the OT3 documents and made a weird interpretation of it like they do with any kind of religious stuff.

>>213278103 (OP)
I liked it, I never played the FF games, so maybe that's why I liked it. i remember when it came out, a bunch of people that were fans of the FF games bitched hard about the movie "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME!!" lol

If it was actually a fantasy setting it would have done better (and still wouldn't make back its bankrupting budget)

>>213278103 (OP)
Yes it was pretty awful. When the movie ended everyone was like

WHERE THE FUCK IS CLOUD AND WHAT THE FUCK DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FINAL FANTASY VII

Nah imjk

It’s bad, the animation is alright but really lifeless at times, and the voice “acting” is awful. Like outstandingly bad. Music is pretty solid, plot is serviceable. There’s some really bad lines in the script, I’m assuming that they are some translation issues though.
>Evil force are called phantoms
>The protagonists are looking for spirits
>Characters mock the idea that the phantoms and spirits may be ghosts as if those aren’t synonyms.
>>213278311
This one is total dogshit though.

>>213278419
>a bunch of people that were fans of the FF games bitched hard about the movie "IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GAME!!"
Well it didn't. Squaresoft made a movie that betrayed their primary audience, and failed to find a new audience, so it bombed

>>213278419
Just got a nostalgia boner

>>213278232
>/v/
>defending Final Fantasy
lolwut

>>213278103 (OP)
Didn't hate it.
Didn't like it.
It.. exist. That's the worst thing any piece of media can be.

When you think about it, the spirits within is basically Scientology

I would love to read a behind the scenes account of how all this went down. Final Fantasy 7 was a big hit for a video game, but they should have known that's just a tiny slice of the general audience. It didn't have broad enough appeal to justify spending over 100 million dollars on this. The stuff I've read about how they thought the scientist woman would be a popular digital actress they could lease out to other studios is pure lunacy. Who the fuck was making these decisions?

>>213278103 (OP)
God awful.
Saw it in a theater.
>>213278267
Sakaguchi had nothing to do with FF after FF5.
The best ones (6 and 7) were directed by Yoshinori Kitase.

>>213278968
Square were completely losing their minds in the late 90s.
It's why all their talent bailed before they merged with enix.

>>213278232
/v/tards think re is this grand master piece and anderson flicks are a front

>>213279509
He continued to produce them. I agree 6 and 7 were the best but after 10 they're unplayable. 10 is the last one he produced, which came out just after he left. He was executive producer on it.
>inb4 producer doesn't do anything
Since this is /tv/ I'll put it in /tv/ terms: the showrunner and supervising director of a TV show get EP credits but no writing or directing credit, and they are absolutely instrumental in shaping the final product. The creator of the franchise graduating to director and then producer doesn't mean he does nothing.

>>213278103 (OP)
I really liked it, saw it in theatres. Have the DVD of it as well, just a fun CGI sci-fi flick, unique setting. Story is meh, but still a fun movie.

>FINAL FANTASY
>is actually hard sci-fi
wtf were they thinking?

>>213278103 (OP)
If you go into it knowing that it has absolutely nothing to do with Final Fantasy beyond having a character named Cid and a macguffin replacement for crystals, it's a solid 7/10

FF7 kids who never played another FF game were angry that it had nothing to do with FF7 and was its own story.

>>213278103 (OP)
It has great cgi for its time and excellent 2000s sci fi aesthetics, but thats all it has going for it. The plot is stupid and doesnt feel like an FF plot at all, the acting is bad, and the soundtrack is forgettable . I dont know what they were thinking with this one. Perhaps they thought that the cutting edge cgi would be good enough to make sales, but they were wrong.
FF Advent Children is better, and probably the best 3d cgi anime movie in existence, which is a low bar.

>>213281124
There's no FF game that's like the movie.

>>213281561
So what?
FF7 was nothing like 6
8 was nothing like 7
and so on

Only thing they in common is a mix of fantasy and scifi, which Spirits Within had.

>>213278103 (OP)
Yes. It killed Final Fantasy.

>>213278103 (OP)
Americans hated it, which is the ultimate proof of excellent quality.

>>213281561
FF was always sci-fantasy since FF1. they just realised that sci-fantasy was basically unheard of as a movie genre, so they dressed it as full sci-fi instead.

>>213278103 (OP)
>>213278114
>>213278213
These.

>>213278592
It still had many of the themes of the games, along with the Japs love of convoluted dialogue and storylines.

>>213281876
>every single hair is animated by hand
>120 years of combined worktime to make the movie
you gotta admire the Japs dedication to art.

>>213278103 (OP)
From what I remember, this was written as a completely original story and then the studio made them make it into a Final Fantasy movie (basically just naming the movie Final Fantasy)

The basic plot of a planet having a soul is really the only connection from the movie to the games, but this was coincidental originally. I've seen a youtube review of this movie a while back and the writer of the script commented that this was all the case.

I think its a decent sci-fi movie and didnt deserve the rabid hate it got, but if you were a final fantasy fan and saw this in 2000 I get it.

>>213278103 (OP)
Boring. Aimless. The phantoms never felt like a threat nor did they have personality to make them interesting. An FF anime in Ghibli style with a typical (at the time) FF story would've been a mega hit. SW was bafflingly mid and even the most ardent FF fans I knew just didn't like it.

Of course this is 4chan so I'm sure before I even scroll down there'll be a bunch of contrarians pretending like this bad movie is good.

I hated it because it tricked me into thinking it would be related to Final Fantasy RPGs

But watching it again it's not that bad a film and it pushed CGI for its time

So much better than the gay bullshit that was Advent Children.

They released Advent Children a few years later. That was just as retarded, but better.

>>213281947
It was a very, very expensive movie to produce.

>>213282026
>>213282029

>>213281986
>The phantoms never felt like a threat
just forget the multiple scenes of people getting insta killed by giant phantoms casually going through them, or the scene very early on where the main guy is on the verge of death and has to get through an emergency procedure without anaesthesia to remove a phantom residual.

>>213278103 (OP)
Graphics: pretty good, probably the best CGI movie until Shrek 2 and the best Japanese CGI movie until Appleseed 2 or the Resident Evil CGI movies.

Setting: kind of generic 90s sci fi but not terrible. Phantoms look cool. I think it was quite foolish to have a movie called final fantasy and not have swords and chocobos though. The soldiers already had plasma guns, they might as well have had plasma swords.

Story: it's some dumb mcguffin hunt with a really stupid new age boomer ending where they just needed good vibrations and the power of love or something to coexist with the alien immigrants. Probably the worst part of the movie.

Acting: what you can expect from getting celebrities instead of voice actors. They wanted to make the MC some kind of virtual actress they could license to others, which sounds kind of dumb, but at the time Eidos was pimping out PS1 Lara Croft to shill things so it's not as far fetched as it sounds.

>>213282026
AC was the coolest shit ever if you even remotely like FF. Stop being contrarian.

>>213282126
>it's good because it was fan service for the underage mindless drooling ff7 weebs
No cares about movie reviews from XxXSepiroth42XxX

>>213282207
>watch a movie for final fantasy fans and explicitly continues the story from the ff7 game
>get mad

>>213282270
A good movie stands on its own.

>>213282125
>they just needed good vibrations and the power of love or something to coexist with the alien immigrants
none of this is in the ending.
they only need to activate the device, the love interest literally dies to activate it, and the device expels the alien immigrants, except it does this by "letting their souls rest" (in practice target poisoning) instead of "exterminating them with big guns that does lot of collateral damage".

>>213282125
>They wanted to make the MC some kind of virtual actress they could license to others
they wanted to recoup the absurd initial cost of making the photorealistic models and developing the technology.

>>213282298
Nah

>>213282354
They should have put that effort into making a photorealistic Tifa, then their core game fans would've been happy

>>213282354
tbf this is pretty ahead of its time. now the web and even some business are covered with v-tubers and anime girl mascots. i guess they went too close to uncanny

>>213282436
>making a photorealistic Tifa
they did that for the remake and we've seen how it went.

>>213278649
They do. Moreso now than ever that the fanbase is divided between Turn-Based and Actionfaggotry, and especially with Project Remake.
Meanwhile I'm just in the middle like
>What's the difference if the developers suck at both?

I don't remember anything

Mega64 nailed a parody of Final Fantasy.

I used to think all final fantasy games were sequels of the previous one, I played 7 because it was the most popular one and came with my ps1, then I played 8 thinking they would let me play as cloud later.
Me and my friends watched this shit movie and were super disappointed at how shitty and un-final fantasy it was. Like, where the fuck is Red XIII? Where the fuck is Tifa?
Then we got addicted to diablo 2 lord of destruction and always compared the cutscenes to the final fantasy movie.

>>213278103 (OP)
Shit movie from a shit IP that forced the company into a merger so they didn't go bankrupt.
Yes, it was that bad

>>213278103 (OP)
>No soundtrack by Nobuo Uematsu
Missed opportunity

>>213278103 (OP)
Square 100% misread the room with this film.

People wanted a film version of FF7. Not a sequel, but a theatrical adaptation of the game.

They instead decided to instead make an original story with an eye towards reworking it as an interactive movie on the PS2, to basically fill the gap before the release of FF10 and double dip on people buying both the movie version and the PS2 game version.

It flopped so hard, that it nearly put Square out of business and more to the point and to the eternal fury of everyone at Square, killed their chances to destroy their hated rival Dragon Quest.

Square was in the middle of a hostile takeover of Ennix (the makers of Dragon Quest) that would have allowed them to fire every fucking person at the company and give them ownership of their IPs, including Dragon Quest. And internally, Square was bragging to Ennix executives faces that once they owned DQ, they were killing the franchise as far as no new games, no remakes of the classic games, basically locking it in the vault to kill the franchise off so that everyone would have to buy and play Final Fantasy in Japan.

The movie flopped so fucking hard and so utterly and completely fucked Square up financially, that they lost ALL upper hand in the hostile takeover. Which immediately became less consuming and killing their rival and more "We need to merge with you guys to stay alive!". Ennix agreed to continue with the merger, but on THEIR terms; everyone at Ennix kept their jobs, they got MASSIVE control over the now merged company meaning that Square has ever since been forced to watch Ennix executive swing their dicks around and remind Square executives that the company is only still alive because of Ennix, and more to the point, Square was forced to basically use all of their resources and connections to FINALLY make Dragon Quest a big hit in the US while continuing to give the franchise the royal prince treatment in Japan to keep the lights on.

I saw a shitty VCD of it 24 years ago after staying awake for 3 days straight for a LAN party but being unable to sleep because of the sheer amount of sugar and energy drinks I had consumed.

It was a very surreal and dreamlike experience that has stayed with me.

bad movie that was for whatever stupid reason marketed as a Final Fantasy movie when it wasn't that at all

Aki Ross was so bland and forgettable that not even depraved coomers have made any porn of her

>>213283192
I'm pretty sure I've seen some porn of her.

>>213283192
She wasn't quite Lara Croft.

>>213278232
When the fuck has /v/ come to the defense of the modern games retard

>>213281947
why would i admire a piece of shit? because it's japanese? fuck off tranny.

>>213283636
Who the fuck said anything about the "modern" iterations?

>>213283688
bad movie >:(
bad movie Japan :D

>>213283263
But unlike Lara, they did intentionally model her nipples and pussy in case they needed them in a later film. Remember she was supposed to be the first "digital" actress who would be in multiple films. But weebs threw a hissy fit and fucked up a perfectly fine film.

>>213284324
>Remember she was supposed to be the first "digital" actress who would be in multiple films.
I do remember, and even back then I thought it was a bit silly and the technology was lacking. The technology is up to speed now but we're living in a different environment.

>>213281864
who is "they"? science fantasy is probably the most prominent movie genre because of star wars alone. you know, the movies about space wizards and a black knight?

>>213282709
his talent would have been wasted on this

>>213278968
They did do that with Lightning in advertising a little bit

>>213278968
Japanese are a pretty stupid people. Even stupider is that the higher someone is up at the totem pole, the less you are allowed to defy them. They're basically asian arabs where money and social status is a license to follow an obviously idiotic idea even when its clear that it'll be the organization's demise.
Now add the fact that these people can be nepo hires, or ultra boomers that never really used a computer their whole lives. They just think digital woman = cortana and tell the rank and file to make his crackpot idea into a reality.

>>213278114
same

>>213278103 (OP)
A pointless tech demo that garnered no profit.
Not that Sakaguchi cared; he wanted to make it and got funded to make it. Done and done!

>>213281786
Imagine creating this entire infographic still under the presumption that Sephiroth is the villain and even still alive.
lol
lmao even

>>213278103 (OP)
It's been a while but I remember liking it, it was quite the achievement for the time

>get to bring final fantasy to the silver screen in all CGI
>get to bring the vivid, colorful world of Final Fantasy that blends steampunk and fantasy visuals
>turn it into a shitty apocalyptic visual James Cameron knock off.

It was pretty decent it just had nothing to do with final fantasy and that's why people got mad

Saw it in the theatre (I was one of two people in the showing, lmao). Remember nothing about it, except being confused because there was no FF stuff in it. Always seemed like a classic case of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one.
>We've got the FF fans in the bag already just by putting the name on the movie, let's make it standard sci-fi slop so we can get all the normies too!

>>213282125
Toy Story was a better CGI movie, Anon.

>>213284799
>>213278114
It had badass space marines, an awesome spooky apocalyptic city, a neat shielded barrier city, cool aircraft and people floating in space stations. It was fantastic 9/10. Don't give a shit about twinks with retardedly huge swords riding ostriches. And no one else did either since that movie flopped hard. Every final fantasy game is different from each other, but they don't want to admit that

>>213285510
I dont think there was even a sword. Like you'd think maybe they'd show you a chocobo, maybe someone casts a magic spell, summons an iconic character like ifrit or shiva. I waited and waited and waited and the movie ended, I thought thats how they'd get out their problem with the 1 shot ghost aliens, but no, its just a shitty sci fi movie with mid ass characters. Why did they think the girl character would be a star? She's not even particularly attractive.

>>213284457
Star Wars "magic" is not even remotely comparable to the level of magic in FF. the producers figured they couldn't compete with LOTR on the pure fantasy segment and couldn't compete with the SW prequels on the sci-light fantasy segment. so they went with hard sci-fi with the only fantasy themes rebranded as sci-fi being those absent from SW such as Gaia theory and mysterious aliens with weird powers that nobody really gets.

>>213278103 (OP)
As someone who had zero experience with Final Fantasy when it came out, I loved the movie
As someone who is a little more familiar with the Final Fantasy franchise now, I can see why people bitched
Now I just admire how well it holds up for a 24 year old digital animation

>>213285788
Those are only in ONE final fantasy game and no one ever promised you that was the movie they were making. Your retarded ass assumed it was final fantasy 7 for zero reason then got mad at someone else for your own retardation. Intelligent people enjoyed the well crafted, lovingly created spectacle they produced.

>>213286181
Are you having a stroke? Swords & sorcery, chocobos & summons are in almost all of the games.

>213285651
>213286181
Faggots don't get (yous) for faggot-ass opinions

It was bad if you were expecting ff6 and ff7 kino like I was

>written and directed by FF's creator, main writer and director
>produced in-house by FF's studio
>the great majority of Americans only had ever played Final Fantasy VII (seven (7))
>NOOOOOOO THIS IS NOT FINAL FANTASY!!!
>LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR FRANCHISE!!!

>like maybe they'd show
>sword
>chocobo
>magic spell
>Ifrit
>Shiva
>>213286181
>THOSE ONLY APPEARED IN ONE GAME YOU'RE DUMB THEY AREN'T FF ICONS YOU'RE SO DUMB ALL THE COOL PEOPLE HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY REALLY DUMB

>>213286316
>>213286375
jebaited in big 2025

>>213286388
>I was only PRETENDING to be retarded

>>213278103 (OP)
nah I loved it.
super unique take with the whole alien ghosts
and got some cool scifi designs as well
Honestly shocking that it looks so cool while every actual mainline FF since X had such a boring look, setting and story to it.

>>213285032
>that weird era in the late 90s and early 2000s where every one was making thriller parodies

>>213286503
ffx is the last kino ff

I mean if this doesn't look like Final Fantasy to you people, I don't know what would.

>>213286593
Are you confusing Final Fantasy with Mass Effect?

>>213286593
kek!

>>213286593
Why did you post an Alien Vs Predator screenshot?

>>213278103 (OP)
it would have done better if it was called literally anything other than final fantasy. I know they thought brand recognition would help but in this case it actively hindered the films success

>>213286593
I thought the idea of FF was that every game takes place in an orignal setting.
One has knights and mages in robes and armor the next features a people riding giant robots around a winter wasteland.

I ended up seeing it twice in theaters for some reason.
>>213281876
A surprising lack of Spirits Within webms
>>213286593
I don't see why that couldn't be Final Fantasy. The aesthetic of the games has been all over the place, from high fantasy to pure sci-fi. Just needed more color and a little more visual flair.

>>213278232
/v/ regular here, most agree the FFX was the last good one. Nobody is defending FF

>>213286593
looks just like the intro of FFXIII

>>213286695
No one in any ff game is wearing outfits you could buy at Walmart

>>213278103 (OP)
As its own standalone sci fi it was good
As a final fantasy it was bad

>>213278103 (OP)
kid me loved the sci-fi aesthetic but I do recall it being a mid movie

>>213284324
>Remember she was supposed to be the first "digital" actress who would be in multiple films

Is it possible for this to still happen? It basically worked for Miku on the music industry side

Why didn't squaresoft just blow people's minds by having an animated Yoshitaka Amano painting ff movie

I think the point of contention around whether it had the feeling/aesthetic of Final Fantasy comes from the fact it lent too hard into the Sci-Fi elements without having the more over the top/intentionally camp/fantastical elements to balance it.

FFVIII is probably the entry that has the most futuristic bent (you even go to space in a rocket ship), but even that has the imagery and theming of teenagers casting fire balls and the repeated ideas of knights and witches in the themes. Even the entries that bend more towards modern appearances (FFXV mostly) still has the characters being pretty anime boys with giant swords

With this lens, it could be argued the kind of 'cringe anime' stuff that some people argue against is actually baked into the DNA of the franchise, and it's removal creates a feeling of dissatisfaction. While the broad strokes of the movie align with some themes, in the end it just lacked the aspect that make FF stuff compatible with each other

>>213286801
nigga like I said, every FF used to have a unique look. Why is this movie having a more realistic look such a mindfuck to you?
The core themes of the importants of the planet and going on a big wide adventure that all FF games feature is still in this movie.

>>213286858
anon she's way too unrealistic, real "women" would literally kill themselves by seeing her. don't you remember Stellar Blade?

>>213286881
People are not ready for it

>>213286952
>what if we did a movie with no story and just wage themes of christian paradies and salvation
not a good idea

>>213286886
Because it came out when I was like in 8th grade and this is what I wanted to see

>>213286884
VII takes you to space in the attempt to destroy meteor with Cid's rocket as well.

>>213286932
1 million women killed themselves because of Stellar Blade

>>213278232
The old FF games are good and the latest game is cool but braindead

>>213278232
The Last of Us on ps3 is comfy kino

>>213278103 (OP)
Worst 1/10 ever. It was the GAYEST thing I had ever seen. It'd be like if you renamed the movie "Boyz in da Hood" to "Super Mario: The Spirits Within" and changed nothing except the title, not even changing Ice Nig's name to Mario

>>213278103 (OP)
it has no connection to any of the games other than cid being one of the characters

other than that, i liked it

also, ambient occlusion wasnt invented yet, meaning light did not shine through any of the human character's skin

I'm still waiting. Anything will do.

>>213287277
a perfect example of ambient occlusion is light shining through the human ear

>>213287277
>>213287318
oh im so sorry

i meant subsurface scattering

ambient occlusion deals with shading

>>213278103 (OP)
it's a wonderful film, just ignore the final fantasy title and call it "spirits within"

The main scene I remember from spirits within is this needlessly long scene of a big complicated rusty metal “train” with tons of big metal tubes all over it slowly transitioning from being a train to being a funicular. The hybrid train/funicular is completely irrelevant to the rest of the movie. There’s no dialogue while it transitions. There was dialogue before and after, so the characters just stop talking while this sequence plays. The scene has no narrative purpose. The movie is filled with such scenes that exist only to show off how much work they did. They’re ultimately just padding.

>>213278103 (OP)
Would be reconsidered a classic if not for the FF name.
>>213278232
No one on /v/ defends FF. Maybe the newest FF they'll defend en masse is 12, and that's almost 20 years old.
>>213287205
No, it's casualized movie shit.

>>213287392
FF7 is a great game just ignore the final fantasy title, it has nothing to do whatsoever with FF1.

>>213287481
I have never heard of a funicular before.

>>213287318
That is pretty

>>213287483
>Maybe the newest FF they'll defend en masse is 12
Based. Maybe /v/ isn't so bad.

As someone who never played a Final Fantasy game (rpglmao), it sucked dick. Shit story, shit design, shit acting. You are blinded by nostalgia and loose association with a game/company. If it was titled “Spirits Within” with no tie-in, it would be completely forgotten lost media at this point. Went with friends and one demanded his money back.

>>213278232
There hasn't been a good mainline FF game in 24 years. It's insane how much Squeenix has dropped the ball repeatedly for so long.

>>213286593
>Midway through the movie
>Future garage is under attack and they cant get to the APC
>"We don't have a choice, we'll have to ride the chocobos"
>Everyone stares at the ideas guy
>"Chocobos, are you crazy?"
>Badass strong wamen nods slowly
>"It just might be crazy enough to work..."
>Cut to the colonial space marines riding away in chocobos
>*Chocobo theme*
>Comic relief exclaims "I can't believe we're doing this!"
>Smart guy adds "This is how our people used to get around you know"
>They escape the city and end up in some ruins
>"What's this? A sword?"
>CG diva to be scans it with her sci-fi gizmo
>"Wait... look at this frequency... No... but, what if..."
>One ghost alien shows up in the ruin
>*Final fantasy random encounter music*
>Badass wamen uses sword and actually cuts the ghost creature
>"I can't believe its actually working"
>*Final fantasy victory music*
>They get more magic weapons
>Comic relief guy grabs spear and jumps into the sky and lands on a monster, killing it but not getting instakilled by the ghost alien
>Everyone looks shocked
>"I never knew my J.U.M.P. boots would come in handy"
>They find some crystal balls in the ruin
>CG Diva to be scans it with her gizmo
>"Materia, I thought it was just an old wive's tale..."
>She slots it into her sci fi gizmo and it talks in a computer voice
>"U.L.T.I.M.A. Protocol detected, activating..."
>She casts it like in final fantasy 7
>Kills all the aliens in the ruin
>"With this it just might work..."
>The last of the aliens destroy the tunnels they entered from and they find another way out
>The smart guy pipes up "Hey look, more materia!"
>His nerd engineer pack talks all of a sudden
>"E.S.P.E.R. Detected"
>He intuitively puts the materia into the sci-fi port
>*Shiva is summoned*
>"Neat!"
>Smart guy high fives Shiva and they bond immediately
>The colonial marines and CG diva to be strike a victory pose
>"Lets take our city back"
>Comic relief talks "Even if we die...it'll be our Final Fantasy"

>>213279509
>7
>Best

>>213288623
yes

>>213288727
I'm quite partial to XII myself.

>>213288727
Lol no

>>213287541
my take on the title final fantasy is that the story that unfolds in the game that youre playing is last big epic journey that the world, the game inhabits, partakes in

>>213278103 (OP)
It's not that compelling and certainly not very "final Fantasy" like.

>>213282563
wow you are such a special snowflake!

>>213289919
Use magic!

>>213278232
fuck you, kingsglaive was good (and arguably better than ff15). advent children had cool fight scenes, but was kind of dumb, and really just banked on nostalgia and fan hype.

>>213278103 (OP)
however, at least both of those were final fantasy. spirits within was NOT final fantasy. i dont even remember the film, because i was too preoccupied with disappointment that it was in no way final fantasy. if they just made some sci-fi cgi movie, it would have been better received.

>>213278592
this

>>213278103 (OP)
The worst cgi movie ever made. They probably overestimated the jrpg audience that would put up with this bizarro jap shit.

>>213284794
how is that any different than america

>>213281602
now you're backtracking

I remember it being just boring saw it once for the novelty of it and then never felt an interest to rewatch it

>>213278103 (OP)
story and dialogue was typical jap dogshit, but otherwise it was interesting and looked nice. I fucking hate alec baldwin, though.

>>213285896
this

>>213278103 (OP)
Not bad enough for Sakaguchi to gave a "double car accident".

>>213282125
good review

>>213278232
meds

>>213289968
wtf is your problem

>>213278103 (OP)
Their biggest mistake was calling it final fantasy, still would have bombed but it wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much hate

>>213278103 (OP)
It was okay. It did something new and interesting and it wasn't all that successful at it, but it's watchable and it's overambition is at least admirable.

>>213278311
Advent Children was everything the FF7 faggots who complained about Spirits Within wanted: Every retarded fanfic idea, every memberberry, every SOAWSUM moment... and it was fucking garbage.

I was sick from school so my mother rented the VHS and we watched it together. I don't remember anything about the movie except that my dog kept farting and hotboxed the room, he probably wasn't enjoying the movie much.
Comfy memory.

>>213278103 (OP)
7/10 ... should NOT have been called Final Fantasy

>>213291236
>and it was fucking garbage
Exactly this kek. Endless whining and seething about muh final fantasy when this movie was way better and the movie they claim would have been epic was diarrhea

>>213291236
>>213292612
reddit is here

>>213291236
Why can’t it be that all the final fantasy movies have sucked?

>>213293164
They have.

>>213278103 (OP)
saw it in cinemas on release night. i enjoyed it.

>>213286593
doom 3 up in this bitch

I never got the idea that it has nothing to do with the ideas. I played most of them and nearly everyone of them has nothing to do with others aside from certain creatures, mechanics and easter eggs?

>>213293738
Don't insult Doom 3 like that

>>213293820
doom 3 sucks ass

>>213293834
Yeah but not as much as FF:TSW

>>213278968
Sakaguchi wanted an excuse to leave square enix
So he made a retarded movie
That's it

>>213293820
>>213293834
I liked the more slow paced of Doom 3.

>>213293863
FF:TSW moggs the fuck out of that piece of shit

>>213293921
HAAH
WAAW

>>213293916
I bet you like the gay flashlight too faggot

>>213293820
>>213293834
>>213293916
doom 3 is so bad its almost as bad as eternal

>>213293808
Yep, you're exactly right. It's a really dumb criticism

>>213281986
>The phantoms never felt like a threat
I thought they were the scariest monsters ever

>>213293954
I wouldn't go that far.

>>213285154
What? How is he not the villain and not still alive? Nigger is egregiously in your face in remake and rebirth.

>>213281986
>The phantoms never felt like a threat
They rip your fucking soul out of your body. That spooked the shit out of 13-year-old me.

>>213294060
yeah ghost aliens ripping your soul freaked me out and was the most interesting part of the movie

I really don't get the hate.
No one hated FF8 for being in a completely different world with completely different characters.
Fans loved the game when it came out and didn't cry that Cloud wasn't in it.

>>213278103 (OP)
Yes. It should have been an epic action adventure movie, not a slow paced spiritual movie. Otherwise whats the point of releasing it in America at all? Completely understandable why people hated it at the time.

>>213294152
I was confused at first but my child brain came to the obvious conclusion that they are all separate contained stories/universes, hence the title "final fantasy"

>>213286388
Wheres the god damn bait?

>>213294152
Spirits Within had nothing to do with fantasy and instead was sci-fi slop

Isn't the movie set on Earth?

>>213294352
That’s one of my nitpicks, should have been a fantasy earth with it own cultures

>>213282709
>>213284492
Uematsu's work on FF7 was miles ahead of his later output. I'll have to listen to his discography more, but FF7 generally had a much more evocative, fitting harmonic and sonic palette compared to other entries.

>>213293808
>aside from certain creatures, mechanics and easter eggs?
If they added those to the movie then the FF crowd wouldn't have complained, its really that simple.

kino aircraft designs, both the Copperhead and the Boa.

>>213286593
Im pretty sure this pic is an early Dead Space concept art

>>213294422
10's soundtrack is better imo.

>>213288269
Is this OC? I kekd

>>213294416
>should have been a fantasy earth with it own cultures
>fantasy earth
>own cultures
Whats even the point of calling it Earth if its going to be completely different from Earth?

>>213294667
The odds that there is another planet in the universe named Earth is actually pretty high all things being considered

>>213294667
I mean an earth like planet but like in wings of honneamise

>>213294534
just had a flick through and yes it has some very good songs, such as At Zanarkand (good enough to sit amongst great songs by the likes of Mozart and Chopin), Song of Prayer (authentically sounds like something you'd hear in a chapel) and Besaid Island (really adds a great vibe to the game and has a unique and beautiful harmonic and sonic character). overall FF7's soundtrack is much more consistent, fitting and interesting. I found FF7 as a game to be better and more intuitive as well.

Liberi Fatali from FF8 is a really great song by Uematsu I believe. He was on a streak for FF7.

>>213294959
>The odds that there is another planet in the universe named Earth is actually pretty high all things being considered

>>213278103 (OP)
It literally killed square soft and forced them to merge with enix

>>213294152
>7 was my first FF the post
Jesus Christ my hate for 7fags grows larger

>>213294152
because ff8 was final fantasy
spirits within wasnt

>>213295062
>I found FF7 as a game to be better and more intuitive as well.
Really? I found FFX to be a lot more mechanically satisfying. The sphere grid seems daunting at a glance, but you realize you don't have to think too hard about what you're doing pretty quick.

>>213295356
Disney

>>213296468
Kingdom Hearts was long in development before the film came out and bombed

>>213296089
>this is great because it looks complex but it’s actually really shallow

wow.

>>213284324
>We don't live in the timeline where Square saved itself by pimping out Aki and other cyber women.

>>213297248
>Would've been a precursor to SFM by a decade
>Could've been THE pre-eminent force of 3D hentai ushering in a new golden age of FF girl porn
>We could've had 10 extra years of experience on having Tifa, Aerith, Lulu, Selphie, Rinoa, or Quistis fuck anything that moved.
Man.

>>213297537
you mention selphie but not yuffie
what a fag

>>213297569
That bitch stole my materia and was responsible for the sloggiest part of FF7
She deserves to be forgotten.

>>213297619
lmao

>>213283263
No one cares about some bland gook who probably has ugly brown nipples.
If they wanted a virtual actress they should have used Aya. Everyone loves a hot blonde bitch with blue eyes, creamy skin, and pink nipples. They can even say she's a hapa even though everyone knows that's a laughable cope.

>>213298147
/pol/ brainrot is real

>>213298147
That was a poor man's Resident Evil and no one remembers your waifu.

>>213298273
yeah in your own post you ironic projection retard

>>213298304
And then we got that shitter flat nu-Lara movie

>>213284359
The worst part about living in the golden ages is you don't realize it until it's over

>>213295948
Yeah, it's not FF if it doesn't have girly looking fags.

>>213298553
Squall was not girly looking.

>>213278592
/thread

I liked spirits within desu to young me it was awesome was the 1st "animated" movie I had seen since I didn't get to see a whole lot even living overseas

>>213298949
based

I like FF6 (ps1 version) more than 7.

Watching this movie, Phantom Menace, and Fantasia 2000 are nostalgia-core for me.

>>213284324
>>213297248
Could have been kino, we at least got a few glimpses at what might have been
https://youtu.be/VjEi0eUwDgA

I've still got the DVD lying around somewhere. I should give it a watch.

>>213298304
Resident evil is a poor man’s biohazard

>>213281876

If it was it's own movie and didn't have Final Fantasy in the title it would've been fine.

>>213278103 (OP)

Reception has usually more to do with meeting, or failing to meet, the expectations associated to an IP rather than with being objectively good or bad.

>>213299825
This. Simply calling it "The Spirits Within: A Final Fantasy Movie" instead of "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" would have fixed it.

>>213300173
No. That’s bullshit made up in the same vein as “genre fatigue” and over saturation. Since every final fantasy was different, but also exceptional on most levels, the expectations for the movie were “different, but exceptional on most levels.” Now, sure, you can argue spirits within was exceptional on some definition of “most levels,” but it was severely lacking on writing. >>213278534 pretty much nailed it. There’s also how the movie was more interested in showing off how much work they put into making it than telling an actual story.

>>213299825
No it wouldn't - the same fuckers bitching that Square wasn't making a FF7 movie would have bitched no matter what the title was.

>>213299675
Do it!

>>213278103 (OP)
>People like our anime fantasy games with weird swords. What should be our first movie be?
>Lets make a realistic sci-fi movie with guns.

What were they thinking?

Square's CGI looked good for video games but they couldn't compete with the big boys in the movie industry.

>>213300505

True but there is different and there is different. For all the differences among the games there were always recurrent elements that, for a lack of a better term, defined FF identity.

As you say, writing was weak but i don´t believe excellent writing would have saved it either. If you ask me they just choose a genre and story that were not inherently compatible with the expectations associated to Final Fantasy. Presumably this was done to appeal to a larger international audience.

The result is a somewhat generic space marine, somewhat sci fi story that feels unfamiliar and disconnected from the name Final Fantasy. It feels more like they choose a story they thought people would like to see rather than a story that they actually wanted to tell.

>>213300923
they'd bitch a lot less if FF wasn't in there.

>>213300981
They've regressed from TSW. sadly

>>213300505
>exceptional on some definition of “most levels,” but it was severely lacking on writing.
This is every Final Fantasy game; people just don't want to admit that they're all relatively poorly written, especially once you realize how many of them do that stupid
>Hey, you know that main antagonist we've been building up the whole game? Turns out he's not actually the real big bad! The big bad is this heretofore unmentioned dude or mysterious cosmic evil or whatever that we're just now introducing 85% of the way through the game.
bullshit.

>>213301248
name 10 times this happens

>>213301362
Final Fantasy 1-10

>>213302010
... shit

>>213302100
>>213302010
gottem

>>213301248
Kefka was the “big bad” for the entirety of ff6, exdeath was the “big bad” of all of ff5, yu yevon and sin were the big bads of ffx, in ff9 zidane and crew kill their big bad and decide he couldn’t be the end and decide to kill the concept of evil itself, and sephriroth is the big bad of all of ff7, garland is chaos in ff1, and either didn’t play, don’t remember, or concede (ff8) the rest.

>>213303208
Yu Yevon isn't even revealed until almost the very end of the fucking game.

>>213278103 (OP)
No but it was FUCKING BORING

>>213303478
As the way to destroy sin. It isn’t even really sentient just the machine powering sin.

>>213278103 (OP)
It wasn't what people wanted. That's it. That's all it's ever been.

>>213303506
Boring is worse than bad.

>>213278335

>>213279719
I enjoyed 12, I think it did a good job of merging turn based and action gameplay.
I also like single player MMOs so that helps.

>>213296698
I'll admit that was poorly phrased. It's more that it's as complex as you want it to be. As a casual player you might be intimidated at first, but you can just follow the intended path, while a more hardcore player can make more informed decisions and take characters down alternative paths.

>>213281864
There's only a tiny bit of scifi in the early FF games that got ramped up in later games but they were never 100% scifi like the movie.

>>213278103 (OP)
I came buckets for the protagonist. Buckets.

>>213301248
FFX had a good story. You can pick out weak elements like Seymour overstaying his welcome or Yu Yevon not having much substance of his own, but the central story of Yuna and Tidus' journey is very strong.

>>213278232
FF games' stories vary pretty wildly in quality. But at the time for mass consumer video games they WERE absolutely a cut above the norm. That hasn't really remained the case since XII though.

>>213288269
Yes, this.

>>213303208
>in ff9 zidane and crew kill their big bad and decide he couldn’t be the end and decide to kill the concept of evil itself
Honestly, I forget Necron is even a thing. It's so vague and superfluous. You could just blot out that whole little segment and it would change basically nothing. Felt like the devs just decided to throw in an extra final boss fight for fun. It's probably telling that they originally intended Hades to be the final final boss fight instead of Necron before shuffling him off to be a secret boss.

>>213286593
>I mean if this doesn't look like Final Fantasy to you people, I don't know what would.

No, it doesn't, they could have used any other name for this and no one would have noticed.
FFX was just released when this movie came out. Do you see a difference you massive blind fuck?

>>213304296
FFSW always felt to me like the people making it were embarrassed to be making a FF movie.

>>213303575
Yeah, people wanted a good movie and it wasn’t

>You're telling me a Final Fantasy Spirits Within thread will get to bump limit? Impossible.

>>213304333
It felt to me that the people making it were unaware what FF even is

>>213286886
FF15 I guess.

>>213304375
Whoops meant for >>213286801

>>213304268
It was more like zidane as a character wouldn’t be satisfied with garland as the source of all the shit he’d seen and would look at where he was and what everything pointed to and decide there’s something deeper in reality that needs to be expunged.

>>213278126
>it was groundbreaking and underrated
/thread
anybody who liked FF at all and was young at the time loved this movie including me

>>213304627
Is that an early build of Gears of War?

>>213278232

*collects paycheck in your path*

>>213304547
Eh, I don't really feel it. Beating Kuja and then going back so that Kuja didn't have to spend his last moments alone was a good enough capstone to Zidane's character. Having him defeat the avatar of death between those steps doesn't add much.

>>213304666
Gears of War ripped off Final Fantasy Spirits Within

AI is almost to the point where I can gen a FF6 anime series.

>>213286716
At the time FF had been almost entirely fantasy with only bits and pieces of science fiction. A future earth with no fantasy at all aside from alien ghosts was basically the opposite of everything FF up to that point.

>>213290636
>me and my wife

>>213278103 (OP)
The film was KINO

My cousin walked out of the theater. And I really respect him as a person.

>>213278103 (OP)
After watching this as a kid all I could think about was pulse weaponry and how cool it was. If I watched this now I would probably turn it off though.

>>213281561
The movie's plot is pretty standard JRPG "we gotta collect the seven crystals so the angry nature god calms down" stuff.

>>213278103 (OP)
I thought it was great

Monsters, Inc. came out the same year and dabbed all over this turd as far as CGI movies go.

>>213305374
Based anon with good opinions

>>213305342
It's a movie made for teenagers and kids, exactly like the games, imagine that

>>213305503
>pixar movie for children does better
:O
O:

>>213304737
I think Halo ripped off the Starship Troopers show

>>213305739
Loved this show. Far more faithful to the book while also respecting the movie.

>>213283263
i remember fapping to this but it looks upscaled now