Did Lord Summerisle actually believe in paganism or was he just using it to exploit the local populace?

>>213300740 (OP)
SUMMMER IS A COMIN' IN

I don't remember

>>213300740 (OP)
Nobody on /tv/ has seen this lol

>>213300740 (OP)
He was afraid of the bees

>>213300740 (OP)
I do not have an answer but, my question is was the whole thing with Willow tempting him either 1) her on some level trying to save him (as if he did fuck her then he would not be suitable for a sacrifice); or was it 2) banking on him having the self-restraint and thus making him in some way an even better sacrifice in whatever deranged pagan beliefs they have?

>>213300890
I think the latter. He was going to be sacrificed either way (with Rowan as the backup if he somehow managed to get away) but it suits their religion better if the 'willing fool' is a virgin too

>>213300866
I did. It wasn't scary and I was half convinced it was meant to be a cringe comedy.

>>213300866
>lol
Dumb fuck, I have the special edition DVD with the extra footage reinserted in to the film.

>>213300740 (OP)
It's ambiguous, but from the conversation inside his manor we know that his predecessors who bought the island were the first to bring back the old gods - I suspect he knows it's all a farce but likes the hedonism (naked women everywhere) and the control it brings.

>>213300950
It's very deliberately supposed to be humorous. The director's commentary points this out clearly. You're supposed to see the villagers as harmless, goofy larpers right until the end - then you realise all of them are in on it, even the children

>>213300950
Although called a folk horror I am not really sure if the intention is to be scary. It seems more like bizarre or unsettling is the intention.

>>213301020
Spare the faggot brackets reddit nigger

>>213300761
Corn rigs and barley rigs and
Corn rigs are bonnie
I'll not forget that happy night
Among the rigs with Annie

>>213300740 (OP)
He was an atheist using it to spread his socio-political views, much like the majority of RW neopagans today

>>213301066
It's more like a mystery thriller than a true horror film. The main feeling in the film is uncertainty and dread, not fear

>>213300945
>sacrificed either way
That seems like it must have been the case given if it is actually a virgin sacrifice how would they know he would be sent and that he was one? Like even if they go 'oh, this man is a devout Christian who must be a virgin' there is nothing from what I recall that implies Summerisle actually arranged him specifically to come.

>>213300740 (OP)
I know people go on about the remake, but has anyone watched The Wicker Tree? Recently learned about it, although have to watched it. Apparently some sort of spiritual successor, though the general reaction to it from what I glanced at was negative.

>>213301202
Yeah I suspect they were using Willow to 'test' him and suss out whether he would be a better sacrifice than the missing girl after he arrived. They knew he was a fool from the mainland arriving with the force of the law, coming of his own accord. The way Rowan pops out of the cave and hugs Summerisle near the end makes it seem like she was relieved - like they found a better candidate to be the virgin.

>>213300866
I have

>>213300740 (OP)
Neither. He was using it to justify staying in absolute power, ruling through pleasure rather than fear

>>213300740 (OP)
Real question: how did they know he would knock out the innkeeper and steal the 'fool' outfit? Or was the plan to get him unconscious with the candle first and then dress him up for sacrifice?

>>213300866
I've seen this a lot actually

>>213300890
ot was a test, anyone can say they're a virgin but only a true turbo virgin would turn down sex with a girl like that

>>213300740 (OP)
Used to as an impressionable teen, but lost faith as the years went by. He was a plain populist by the time the detective came around.

>If the crops fail, Summerisle, next year your people will kill you on May Day.

>>213301318
She had some pointy nips in this movie. Implants?

>>213301078
>paranthesis are reddit now
god you fags are dumb

>>213300866
>nobody on /tv/ has seen the most famous folk-horror film of all time
????

>>213301506
torpedo tits were in during that time

>>213301392
He was baited along the whole way, they knew he wasn't asleep when they went to put up the hand of glory, which is why the Innkeeper told Willow, you best get with the rest of them, I have to put on my costume. When he was searching the town, everyone showed them their costumes and that they were full body and had masks, knowing that he would take it as a chance to sneak his way in.

>>213300866
Which Lord of the Rings is this?

>>213301507
It's mostly one extremely autistic Aussie trying to force it.
"Reddit spacing" was another newfag psyop that a certain alternative imageboard forced here around 10 years ago.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/spare%20the%20faggot%20brackets%20/

>>213300740 (OP)
>"Horror movie"
>Every scene is beautiful and happy
any more examples of this??

>>213300740 (OP)

I assumed he was being genuine. If only the cop had fucked that lady hed be fine.

>>213301202
The film, as it stands, is incomplete. It wasn't preserved at all, and what we have is what was salvaged. There are cuts that have scenes that explain why it was him, and how they got him, but they're in terrible condition as they're sourced from a VHS and 14mm tape that had a partial cut of the film. They sent him the letter specifically knowing he was a detective and his righteous nature would make him take the case. His chastity was also mentioned as he was made fun of by other police officers, so it wasn't a secret.

>>213300740 (OP)

>>213301737
>They sent him the letter specifically knowing he was a detective and his righteous nature would make him take the case
Glad they took out that scene. Way too contrived.

>>213301737
I have no idea about the production history. What happened that it had to be salvaged?

>>213301737
That seems like it just gets into the debate about whether or not the film should just be judged by what is actually in it / the cut. If the film released that we get does not have it in then you can make the legitimate argument that any non-included scenes, whether lost pre-release or just not included, do not factor into the inner workings of the film itself.

In the novelization written by the screenwriter the cop is younger (age 27) and nearly fucks his fiancée before going to the island.

>>213301078
>now
Forcing them in to your post is very reddit.

>>213301901
>novelization
>it also features an additional epilogue where Howie's seaplane is spotted on May Day, suggesting that he may have survived somehow.[2]

>>213301202
They did know he was a virgin

>>213301819
After the initial release, the negatives were discarded and no remastering or re-editing could be done. Roger Corman had a complete cut of the film, and that was used for some further releases, and then that was lost too. What we have now is about all we're going to have, and it's incomplete. The production company changed hands shortly after release, and then again later on, this is what some people think led to the repeated losses of the film.

>>213301883
They were in the film, the first initial releases had them, they were since lost, but I suppose you're right. As it stands in the Final Cut, there's still mention of both things in the film, with him first talking to the islanders saying "I received a letter, directly..." then reading the letter, and then after Willow tempts him, he apologizes to her saying he doesn't believe in that, before marriage.

>>213301883
But they were included you stupid fuck.

>>213300740 (OP)
Watched this recently (final cut) and there's a lot more nudity than I remember last time

>>213300869
there's no bees in the real movie

>>213300761
*icumen

>>213300740 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYLRRrfPJ1s&list=RDcYLRRrfPJ1s&start_radio=1&ab_channel=in_boil

>>213301318
>this is a 10 in scotland

>>213305799
in the 70s any actress from Sweden was given a +2

>>213300740 (OP)
This movie sucks btw

>>213301499
Summerisle wasn't a virgin though? I don't know what he meant by this. Is it that Summerisle is a representative of the king/the law?

>>213301066
>>213301165
>uncertainty and dread
That's also horror though.

>>213307379
Is it? I thought that just meant it's a thriller.

>>213308751
Thriller is purely about suspense. The domain of horror is wider and encompasses emotions other than just fear, suspense being one of them, and not every horror movie is suspenseful either.

>>213300866

>>213300740 (OP)
I gooned so hard during the naked dancing scene where the bitch tries to tempt the cop

>>213306857
>>213305799
shoo joo

>>213300866
It's not that obscure. Also checked.

>>213301162
most "religious" people are using it for the same way. no one legitimately believes jesus is in the clouds looking down at you, ready to judge you. you're literally retarded if you believe that, just because of some dogma from other men. while theres been hundreds of other gods in the past from other such dogma.
difference is back then we would use gods as a form of glorifying human characteristics we wanted to see reproduced. like strength, justice, virtue.
no one legitimately believed zeus and poseidon were going to throw thunder bolts at you. it was just a good ritual to make a sacrifice before a sea voyage in the name of poseidon, and in doing so you remember how dangerous the sea is, and how important it is to be prepared.
it wasnt until the gay jewish disease of monotheism from the middle east where we decided to go into a slavery mindset where we must worship god and he will save us even if we're pathetic and have done nothing to deserve any renown or reward.

>>213300890
>my question is was the whole thing with Willow tempting him either

It confirms he is a fool (not taking a sure thing) and a virgin (a better sacrifice than a non virgin).
A lot of sacrificial beliefs did not care about virginity and this movie and a few others started this idea in modern peoples.
An argument can be made that youth was a larger factor in sacrificial cultures/religions and that those youths just happened to be virgins more than virginity itself.

>>213302588
That's because he was afraid of them.

>>213300866
It's my favorite movie.
>>213300740 (OP)
In his speech about the history of the island he seems to indicate that it was a cynical plan started by his forefathers to bring the islanders together. He also pauses a minute when Howie says he'll be next if it doesn't work.

>go to see a showing of this in my city
>fat neckbeards everywhere
>they start booing at Howie when he says anything vaguely religious
>cheer at his confinement and torture
Drop the nuke, I'm ready.

>>213301788
>they assumed a detective would le detect?
>contrived!
Are you retarded?

>>213310481
You're a moron.

>>213311702
Filtered.

>>213300890
Interesting thought. Would it have saved him if he did fucc?

>>213311768
Sure, keep on believing in your adult version of Santa Clause, you man-child.

>>213311811
Yeah they were. It doesn't matter though, they won't interact with the movie again outside of some epic reddit threads.

>>213310481
>most "religious" people are using it for the same way
No, they aren't
>no one legitimately believes jesus is in the clouds looking down at you
That is a conceptualization of god primarily used in cartoons and children's books.

>>213311768
Literally the entire online right-wing is only "Christian" in an attempt to preserve social mores. All you care about are trannies and abortions. Opposition to buttex is the entire core belief.

>>213300740 (OP)
Here is something I was wondering about. What happened at the end? What was the movie about? That’s the part I have been trying to figure out.

>>213301737
I own the novelization and it includes a scene where Summerisle is wearing a jogging suit / ski mask combo and jogging in circles around Howie's house. Impossible for me to tell which parts of the novel are unique to it and which parts are lost footage.

>>213311950
No it isn't. You only have to retreat into esoterics of god living in the 5th dimension outside of time and space yet all around us because we penetrated the heavens and it's empty.

>>213311868
I'm an atheist personally but you are retarded if you think no one believes or ever did believe in deities. They used to execute you for atheism even in ancient pagan societies. You're an ignorant retard so stop spouting off about things you haven't a clue about.

>>213311968
>Nick Fuentes maybe doesn't believe in God therefore no one does or ever did, every feces-bathing illiterate jeet or head shrinking tribesman who ever lived is just a LARPer and viewed gods/spirits in the abstract
Okay fuckhead

>>213301626
and yet I notice you avoided actually reddit spacing in your post despite it allegedly only being a force newfag psyop, curious

>>213311968
Start your posts off with your political obsession so others don't waste time replying to you.

>>213311968
I'm normal

>>213312060
>every feces-bathing illiterate jeet
Be nice now, you're going to offend him

>>213312060
>>213312068
>>213312079
Cope. You see the sentiment everytime there's a religious discussion on 4chan. We need to believe in Jesus or the leftists win. It's all a LARP.

>>213312137
4chan is an incredibly small subsection of a subsection of society and in the modern day it's filled with bots. You really shouldn't be using 4chan posts to determine how society as a whole feels or acts.

If I had been on that island I would have yelled "feets don't fail me now!" and ran quickly away, thus surviving the whole ordeal.

>>213312137
I'm normal

>>213312205
I was specifically addressing internet politics in the first place.
>>213312271
You're brown.

>>213312311
you will be deported, raj

>>213312358
t. pajeet roman statue twitter account

>>213312395
t. pajeet "we wuz aryans" twitter account

>>213312311
>I was specifically addressing internet politics in the first place.
Then say "people obsessed with internet politics" instead of "most religious people"

>>213312455
This was my first post in this conversation. >>213311968

>>213312465
Kamala lost

>>213312472
Good

>>213312515
I think you've misread the post but Kamala lost

>>213312521
Great. It's unfortunate that Trump is ZOG pedophile but a niggress in office would have been despicable too.

>>213312557
I know english may not be your first language but Kamala lost

>>213312571
Mindbroken

>can't even have a Wicker Man discussion anymore without spergs crying about religion and politics
It's over.... Time to start developing my own splinterchan that range bans India

>>213300866
I watched it because of its prestige but stayed for the titties.

>>213312629
so very true, raj is impotent and obsessed and can't stop hating normal white americans wanting to post on image boards

>Wickerman is wife's favourite movie
>revels in Howie's death
>have to remind her he's a righteous man who stands by his faith even unto the bitter end

>>213312651
>saar I am norm brah.... white American.

you know what they say about ironic shitposting probably rings true for "ironically" ""acting"" indian

>>213312733
>have a side conversation about the inauthenticity of the religious in service of their society like Lord Summerisle.
>I AM NORMAL YOU ARE INDIAN
You're brown.

>>213312687
Sadly pretty common. People see him call a bunch of people fucking in a graveyard degenerate and want to see him burned alive, despite his entire motivation being rescuing a child who he thinks is going to be harmed.

>>213313028
Well, they ARE a homogeneous white society living happily by their own ethnic culture. What's to clutch your perals about, sex? Besides human sacrifice, which was only a drastic last measure.

>>213313320
>Well, they ARE a homogeneous white society living happily by their own ethnic culture
So was the mainland at the time. I'm not talking about that though or agreeing with him. I'm talking about the willingness of people to cheer for a man being burned alive for being outraged at a public orgy in a graveyard.

>>213313438
Sex in a cemetery doesn't necessarily outrage me if it's done with some religious higher purpose, which these people were obviously doing without the intent being to profane. There's a difference between that and
>lol my goth gif wants to hail satan at the cemetery bro let's get high and fuck

>>213311994
It's about how a sleepy village can be turned into a murderous sacrificial cult with nothing more than a little ceremony and music

>>213313656
It doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter if he was angry that they were tying their shoes in a way he didn't approve of. It doesn't make his gruesome murder something to celebrate.

>>213313965
I agree. Like I said, I have to be on Howie's side against my wife because whether he's right or not, he's a man of principle. That being said though, I don't care about his moral vendetta against the pagans. Willow can take my boyhood.

>>213311950
>That is a conceptualization of god primarily used in cartoons and children's books.
That's the concept of god that majority of christians in history had. Scholars and clergy might believed in the god of the philosophers but to the average christian (sometimes to horror of the clergy) god was as material and mundane as they come. God is still very "picture book-like" to majority of christians worldwide.

>>213312629
Internet is now a battlefield between hordes of niggers who insist you need to let them in because they worship yahweh and hordes of jeets that insist you need to let them in beause they don't. Everything involving religion is but another skirmish in that gayest of all wars.

>>213313989
Stupid sexy 70's women.
>whether he's right or not, he's a man of principle.
Yeah, people act like his killing was some righteous reaction to his admonishment of their beliefs, but they were going to kill him anyway. Even if he shut the fuck up they would have burned him as long as he remained true to himself. Maybe they would have burned him even if he didn't, it just would have been a bit less enthusiastic.

>>213300866
You shouldn't be here if you haven't seen this.

>>213314472
Newfags have been getting really bold lately.

>>213314490
Post your top 10. I bet Goodfellas is in there..

>>213314505
1. Brazil
2. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988)
3. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1943)
4. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1962)
5. Time Bandits
6. Twelve Monkeys
7. Fear and Loathing
8. The Fisher King
9. The Wicker Man
10 Naked Lunch

>>213314569
Relentlessly charming

>>213314567
You certainly like a style.

>>213314617
>She was chosen as Playboy magazine's Playmate of the Month in October 1970, together with her twin sister Madeleine Collinson.
Time to whip out my Playboy collection

Dont euro pagan religions require the person to volunteer willingly, it defeats the purpose otherwise?

>>213314715
We don't really have a lot of solid written evidence for the practices of a lot of them. It can be difficult at a glance to know what's an actual historically attested practice and what is a Victorian reconstruction (which is what the religion in the movie is)

>>213314651
>>213314617
For some reason 1970 is the only month I'm missing issues from.

>>213300740 (OP)
Just watch the film

>>213314984
Damn.

>>213305799

I mean, yeah. have you ever been there?

>>213301318
You’re bad at judging emotions. She’s gleeful, not relieved. And you missed the part where all the requirements of the sacrifice were clearly listed out.
>>213300740 (OP)
Not exploit, free from modernity. Everyone itt failed to notice how much happier all the people were than normal industrialized slaves.

>>213314567
Okay but I like Terry

>>213315039
Great cinematography with his head peeking up from the grass out of focus

https://youtu.be/NsxW7NMm3Fc

>>213312277
good film

>>213314567
kek based

>>213300740 (OP)
Based Hyperborean ritual.
Basically they take the hottest Sydney Sweeney/Britney Spears bitch of that generation and kill her so that the males of the tribe won't fight over her, tearing the tribe apart. She gets to marry Apollo.
It's not child sacrifice. It's stuck up bitch sacrifice. It's an antidote to the cult of the goddess. It protest the Volk from the cult of the goddess by submitting her avatar to Sol On High.

>>213316778
Kino.

>>213300740 (OP)
>likes musicals and takes over their center for performing arts
>exploit the populace.
You may be onto something