I'm a bit late of the game and I'm not the biggest Star Trek fan, but I have to wonder why Paramount wasted about a decade making these shows?

I never hear anyone talk about them, basically no one is watching them, they don't win any awards, and the fans hate them.
It's pretty obvious that Paramount is winding down their Star Trek stuff because all of these shows except Strange New Worlds have been cancelled and that show is probably ending after the upcoming season.

The only reason people use Paramount Plus is for Tyler Sheridan shows, yet Paramount kept making bad Star Trek shows no one watched, why?

>let’s hire people who don’t like Star Trek to make Star Trek for people who don’t like Star Trek, for as someone who doesn’t like Star Trek it’s all shit but they gobble it up anyway and we can appeal to new markets

was the operative logic.

>>213330235 (OP)
Lesbians, fags and anyone else that hates America

>>213330235 (OP)
>Who the fuck was NuTrek for?
Bluesky users

>>213330235 (OP)
>Who the fuck was NuTrek for?
Zoomers. They thought zoom zooms would just take whatever they shit out. So they filled it full of woke crap thinking they were talking to people just like them. Now you see zoomers actually liking much older stuff. Even they can tell how much better things used to be. Nu-trek is full of so much cringe they run the other way. Gen Z would rather enjoy TNG than fucking STD

>>213330235 (OP)
Massive amounts of money was being poured into the streaming service grift and nu-Trek was Kurtzman's way of scamming Paramount out of it with the most Jewish, iron-clad contract he could squeeze out of the company. Something along the lines "if you fire me in the next 10 years I expect a 250million payout"

>>213330235 (OP)
Not was, IS.
They're about to drop a new slop that has
BMWF kissing in the trailer

>>213330235 (OP)
Apparently that piece of shit Kurtzman had some sort of deal with the last head of Paramount that let him continually rape Star Trek and keep his production company in business. Literally no one is watching this shit except for a handful of leftoid faggots and trannies. Even the low effort reaction channels on YouTube aren't watching it and instead watch the old shows and movies.

I was a hardcore Star Trek fan who watched everything from TNG onwards as it aired but even I couldn't stomach more than 2 seasons of STD and 1 season of Picard before checking out. They've literally raped the franchise to death at this point with the upcoming Academy series being their last gasp before Paramount gets takes over and they finally but it out of its misery.

>>213331393
>BMWF kissing in the trailer
That's pretty cool

>>213331518
Normaloids idea of star trek is racemixing and faggots having ass sex

>>213330235 (OP)
Blue ocean strategy or something they call it. And it's not just Paramount. Outside of a lone fluke here and there it's been a colossal failure. Not only did they not meaningfully expand the audience, they lost a huge part of their original male fanbase in the process KEK

>Who the fuck was NuTrek for?

From left to right:
1. Racial and sexual minority Netflix viewers who might not have watched Star Trek before along with people who liked the JJ movies.
2. Old fans were promised a serious character study to make up for STD - but didn't have the writers and Patrick Stewart should never have editorial control after the TNG movies. Floundered but the final season was 'okay'.
3. Again, Old Fans liked the Pike episode of STD and it got a lot of praise for following a TOS style. This was supposed to be a return to classic Star Trek but had the same problems as 2 in the writers and by now most of the old fans have bailed so it's having to pander to STD viewers.
4. Adultswim viewers and people who liked Orville. Wasn't bad outside of a few bazinga moments but should have gone more realistic and straight faced on a Lower Deck life.
5. Children. Unironically I knew a few people who had kids that liked it and who now get to experiance their own letter-writing campaign after cancellation.

But Star Trek was ultimately ruined by being written into a corner sometime around Ent/JJ Trek along with the studio deliberately sabotaging the franchise around Ent, breaking up the rights and then playing too much timey-wimey stuff. Let's also be real that in 2020 the show is starting to have an untenable premise with the audience knowing too much science. For example we're already imaging planet's atmospheres and the Habitable Worlds Observatory will be able to either find life in the galaxy or it won't, that requires a change of science fiction going forwards either way.

I liked Strange New Worlds :)

>>213330235 (OP)
Reddit.

>we have to attract the "wider audience" of slop loving morons to our Star Trek show, while also alienating the legacy fanbase of white male nerds because Trump is president or something
It's was a really stupid era. We were all there. TV is dead now. Be happy.

>>213331604
>>213331621

>>213331604
It's pretty retarded but it might be the least offensive out of all of them.

>>213330235 (OP)
>smug lesbian black woman

>>213331500
How come we got stories of him being punched by fans?

SNW is interesting, because you get the sense they are trying with that one, and it's still just never anything more than okay.
It's inoffensive, but the stories aren't good, the original characters aren't good, and the aesthetics are still all wrong and it looks more like Mass Effect than Star Trek.
Goes to show that they just don't get it, and need a whole new creative team.
Lower Decks is actually the closest they have gotten to making a show that feels like Star Trek. The only problem there is it's a comedy that isn't very funny, so it still kind of fails to be "good", past the point of getting the aesthetics right, and having some fun references.

>>213331744
>It's inoffensive
They turned Spock into Sheldon Cooper
>Rick and Morty is actually the closest they have gotten to making a show that feels like Star Trek
Now you're just trolling

>>213331744
>It's inoffensive
Some of it, but some is straight cancer
>Gorns retconned as Xenomorphs that rape and implant eggs in humans
>Le trump started WW3
>Diverse cast of strong women
>The constant drama
>The constant quick cut fighting action scenes where 110lb women beat up steroid gorns and klingons
>Safe masculinity Numale crew
>Spock glazing as if any TOS fans are watching

>>213330235 (OP)
40yo Women with 5 cats

>>213332115
im a 36 year old woman with 4 cats and I hate nutrek.

Anyone who hates early Trek.

>>213331602
>it won't
It won't. The universe is dead. The speed of causality cannot be broken.

Streaming service bubble money being wasted

>>213332125
YWNBARW

>>213331828
It is though. And that's telling off how totally off the mark everything else is.

>>213330235 (OP)
The older I get the more I realise, star trek was always gay and retarded. It was the american Dr Who. Flamboyant theatre kid produced gay propaganda.

>>213332125
Bounce on my fat cock PUTA

>>213331643
The "legacy fanbase" is dying of old age. Paramount rightfully doesn't give a crap about them.

>>213333292
>Paramount rightfully doesn't give a crap about them
So who are the memberberries for exactly?

>>213330305

fpbp

/thread

>>213333632
That's all oldtrek fans get...memberberries. They don't get any other aspect of old Trek. Like white characters, or fit characters, or lack of irony, or optimism.

>>213333838
And that makes you happy?

>>213333968
I don't care either way. I enjoyed "Lower Decks" because it needled all the ridiculous aspects of Star Trek I'd noticed over the years. The franchise is essentially ridiculous, after all.

>>213330235 (OP)
At least Lower Decks was good.

>>213330235 (OP)
Nutrek is for basically the same audience it had in the 90s/00s, only everyone has become more radicalized and retarded since like circa 2008

>>213334101
Yeah, it's a show for people who hate Star Trek

>>213334975
Fuck you. You just fail to realize that all old Trek comedic episodes are the same as a Lower Decks one. Some are even lamer.
It's just that this show is entirely comedy.

I like LD and SNW. SNW is okay/decent and occasionally good. LD was fun and funny. Disco was meh at best and bad at worst. Picard was trash.

>>213335055
The death of sincerity is the death of verisimilitude. Stories like Star Trek need to treat themselves seriously. After all, if the writers don't treat the setting seriously and poke fun at the ridiculousness of it all, why would the audience treat it seriously? To be immersive, to convince you that this fictional world can exist, it has to treat itself seriously.
Lower Decks irreparably damaged Star Trek. It's a very devious type of cancer. By being meta, it forever destroyed the believability of Roddenberry's world. And now all other NuTrek slop shows follow in its footsteps. Strange New Worlds is a parody.

TL;DR Self-awareness is the death of immersion and believability. Star Trek is dead.

It wasn't for anyone.
It was an organized movement across multiple media fronts to infringe on hobbies and fandoms they thought to be bastions of male toxicity.
That's why video games were inundated with fat minority characters, why we got a woman and then a male Doctor, why franchises like LotR, Witcher, Halo and now Warhammer get pozzed.
Maybe it was an operation against what they perceived to be white domestic militia/terrorist or incel breeding grounds, which drastically backfired on them.

>>213334101
Lmao sp random XD XD epic bacon for the win!!!

>>213335243
>muh immersion
What a fucking childish argument. If you believe for a moment any show is real, you're retarded. Comedy sci-fi is just as valid as serious one.

>>213335325
>If you believe for a moment any show is real, you're retarded
It's called suspension of disbelief. It's the building block of any fantasy story worth a damn. Star Trek was powerful because, for just a minute, you could imagine that this could be humanity in the future. Now it's dead because a bunch of millennial hacks decided to turn it into a joke.
Imagine if Lord of the Rings was adapted like this. Imagine if they had Aragorn point out how ridiculous it is that they're fighting a giant flaming eyeball.

>>213335259
Esg guidelines investment funding

>>213330235 (OP)
>>213330305
>>213330794
>>213330918
When will you fags learn the message is always more important to profit for these people.

Repetition is truth and status is intelligence to idiots.

>>213331967
>Spock / Tranny, it's not what you are allegory episode
>Quippy Whedon humor.

I just finished binging season one. it's not bad, and I like the weaving in and out of ToS stories. And yeah they had to make the gorn more fearsome, somehow.. I was a bit surprised by the xenomorph thing though, like the series goes from a kids story in space to jumpscare horror in one... I'd prefer if they stuck to the more serious side of things, but it's clear they are trying to recreate TOS in many ways.

>>213335413
That's not entirely true. Maybe for some products, but not everything. Consider NPR and PBS. After their government funding got cut off, now theyre closing. Their message couldn't survive the loss of money. Same with Colbert's shitshow

>>213330235 (OP)
>JJ Trek reboot
Worth a watch. If they stayed with only this continuity then it would have been tolerable.
>STD
Skipped the whole thing. It's not Trek.
>Picard season 3
It was good and what it should have been from the start.
>Lower Decks
Rick and Morty Trek. Why?
>Prodigy
Ignored. Not interested. Voyager was enough.
>Strange New Worlds
Some episodes are great. Others are not supposed to occur in that time period. If they created a story-line that introduces the temporal war from ENT and have La'An be the centre of it, then it would make more sense.

i don't know why everyone here is saying leftists like it, i don't know a single leftist (or anyone of any views) that said good things about nutrek

>>213335605
I'm saying good things about SNW and LD

Why do people like Trek & Morty so much?

>>213333292
The "legacy" fanbase is growing if anything, relatively speaking.
TNG/DS9 get new fans every year while Nu-trek even turns off the most woke cunts even bothering to tune in.

>>213335742
Do they? The show is practically irrelevant. It's pushed by a small but incredibly vocal subset of autists and lesbian shippers, who I assume are probably just trolls.

>>213335806
how is LD even lower than Picard?!

>>213335864
Like I said. Irrelevant. Lower Decks' only contribution to Star Trek is making Kurtzman realize that he can placate stupid Trekkies with lazy memberberries.

>>213335742
People keep trying to convince me that it's good but it's just everything obnoxious about modern day adult animation except with Star Trek flavor. I don't understand the praise.

>>213335969
They just jerk off to CalArts lesbians and convince themselves that this makes the show good

>>213336111
I figured as much. I hate how every cartoon looks the same since last decade.

>>213330235 (OP)
>Who?

>>213335969
I think the only reason it gets praised because at least when they drop old references, you get the impression the writers actually did watch what they were referencing.
It's still not really Star Trek, but the show at least acknowledges that good Star Trek actually exists

>>213333292
Autism diagnosis are going up, actually.
If anything, it's the time to make something as much like TNG as humanly possible.

>>213330235 (OP)

NuTrek is the natural consequence of having nihilistic, jaded hack writers who have never served in the military writing what is, at its core, military science fiction combined with morality plays set in a big scary universe but with a Utopian ideal of humanity rising.

You can't have morality plays if you believe in moral relativism/hedonism.
You can't write good military fiction if you've never served or have zero interest in the military.
You can't have decent stories or settings if you view space as just one big ocean instead of the terrifying cosmic horror that it can be.
You can't write a transcendent humanity if you think humanity is shit, thus they mistake Roddenberry's Liberal Utopian vision as just Space Communism.

This is why all the villains and antagonistic elements of NuTrek are retarded. This is why all the protagonists are insufferable. This is why the doctrine of StarFleet no longer makes any sense. It's why the Federation behaves so schizophrenically in NuTrek.

But, the final nail in the coffin is that the new writers are just plain awful and create their stories by committee, instead of having a unified vision by keeping the writing team small and sticking to their principles (of which they have none). Every idea has to go through a bunch of woke idiots so as not to offend anyone. They couldn't write episodes like "Duet" or "The Measure of a Man" or even "The Best of Both Worlds" because they don't have the narrative skill and it would offend SOMEONE during the writer's meetings.

>>213337110
>Umm actually, I think comparing Data's situation to "slavery" is offensive to real life african american slaves. I think we'll have to shelve this script

It's about killing fans.

What do Trekkies want from a modern Star Trek show and who could even make a good one?

>>213337438
>What do Trekkies want from a modern Star Trek show
protocol

>>213337438
At this point I just want it to die for good

>>213337438
competent people, all over 100 IQ, who believe in things very different from each other, but can work as a disciplined unit by observing chain of command

>>213337764
You'd need writers with over 100iq to pull that off.
Good luck finding them.

>>213337449
Roddenberry was a air force pilot, and a cop, he wrote a military show in a time post WWII where of American men went to war.
You really expect millennials who chant death to America to write Starfleet

>>213337110
I think you may be onto something with the veteran comment. The American military hasn't been a force for good since WWII, so of course anyone familiar with the military is jaded AF these days