What did Batfleck get right
If anything

>>213358893 (OP)
Everything, it's the best live action Batman. Not in the best Batman movies though.

>>213358893 (OP)
Basically nothing. The stealth was cool. The combat was cool. I would give that to Snyder, I guess. The best aspects of this version of come from the superior source material of The Dark Knight Returns, which is Batman media that actually "gets" Batman.

>>213358893 (OP)
best suit and car. who gives a shit about everything else, these movies were terrible.

>>213358893 (OP)
He has the best kill count of the batmans

uh other than a perfect real life adaptation of the 90s cartoon batman? idk bro you tell me

>>213359041
How can Snyderjeets say such retarded bullshit so confidently?

>>213359041
this

>>213359041
Their personalities aren't even the same, nor are their costumes even halfway similar..

>>213358893 (OP)
His suit was nice but he was too much of a sociopath

>>213358893 (OP)
He presents a much older and grizzled version of Bruce. He's between 45-50 years of age and has been at this two decades minimum. It's not established the identity of the Robin who died, but it wasn't easy. And Harley was complicit in the event with Joker.
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Taken a step further, this version of Alfred saw a Robin die and soldiered on. He saw exactly how this never ending war was destroying Bruce and did little to hold him back.

This Batman felt like he escalated to such a degree that is was borderline horror level. And it seems largely reactionary. Everything that this Batman has done has been a reaction to what the city threw his way. I don't think he started out this tortuous, but he def got there.

>>213359446
Based take

>>213359446
Yeah, so like I said, every interesting aspect is stolen from The Dark Knight Returns where it was handled much more interestingly, with actual understanding of Bruce as a character (he's simply not a killer, if he chose to cross that line there would be no coming back for him, it's part of his neurosis) and with more nuance.

>>213358893 (OP)
Batfleck was the only good thing about BvS. Ben was perfect for the role, although some of the writing was shit, like the branding.

>>213359446
Why didn't Batman just kill the Joker?

>>213359642
>capeshit movie is pulled from comic

Woah, so like every other capeshit film in existence

Why was he so angry?

>>213359642
It takes some aspects and mix it with others, like Morrison's Arkham Asylum. That's where the Michael stuff and the spear came from.

>>213359763
>>213359807
The writing in both of those comics is leaps and bounds ahead of anything in the Snyder films.

>>213359724
>although some of the writing was shit, like the branding.
Filtered.

>>213359732
He would have

>>213358893 (OP)
>What did Batfleck get right

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Worst live action Batman thus far. Which is a shame because Affleck would've made for a decent to good Batman if he just had good creatives behind him. But instead we got one of the worst filmmakers in the business to have did him dirty.

>>213358893 (OP)
>beats a warehouse full of armed thugs AFTER he's beaten a God from outer space
yeah it's safe to say that's the hardest batman

>>213359990
I really don't understand people who say he was good casting as Batman. He really, really wasn't. Maybe physically, he sorta looks like Wayne/Batman, but his vibe is totally off. He's a Boston blue collar doofus type of guy. Batman is supposed to be a genius. There's nothing genius about Affleck, especially obvious when he's mouth breathing in that mask.

>>213360039
Physically, he's the closest aside from Bale. But Bale overdid the performance by the second movie. Nolan's trilogy was good kind of in spite of him.

>>213359990
Clooney is the worst and it's not a debate. He disavowed his own performance.

>>213360076
Ideally, Batman should have an almost fatherly, trustworthy, sturdy presence. Affleck's character is simply too wild, not in control of himself, has to be talked down by Superman, who in the comics is usually the more idealistic, out-of-touch one. Gregory Peck is the ideal Batman/Wayne. I also think Alec Baldwin in the early '90s could've been a good candidate.

>>213360181
>Ideally, Batman should have an almost fatherly, trustworthy, sturdy presence.
Which happened in ZSJL.

>>213358893 (OP)
He did great

>>213360225
He was already a mass killer by that point which is something that would constantly haunt an accurate depiction of Batman. Batman understands that life is sacred and if he chose to start killing criminals it would be a suicide mission for him.

>>213358893 (OP)
What is there to get “right” about Batman? Hes a complete blank slate of a character with so many different iterations its a gag in itself at this point- it’s not like he’s Spider-Man- you can make him any way you want edgy, serious, campy, alcoholic, noire

>>213358893 (OP)
some faggots said he looked like the Animated version. lol

>>213360110
>Clooney is the worst and it's not a debate
Clooney was fine. The problem was his movie was that it was basically just a then "modernization" of Adam West Batman. And the concept of that clashed hard with the creative styles popular in the 90s.

>He's a Boston blue collar doofus type of guy. Batman is supposed to be a genius. There's nothing genius about Affleck, especially obvious when he's mouth breathing in that mask.
If I can buy him as a dick medieval French nobleman in The Last Duel because of good direction, I could buy him as Batman with good direction. Affleck just didn't get good direction because Snyder is not a good director.

>>213360110
>Clooney is the worst and it's not a debate
Clooney was fine. The problem was his movie was that it was basically just a then "modernization" of Adam West Batman. And the concept of that clashed hard with the creative styles popular in the 90s.

>>213360039
>He's a Boston blue collar doofus type of guy. Batman is supposed to be a genius. There's nothing genius about Affleck, especially obvious when he's mouth breathing in that mask.
If I can buy him as a dick medieval French nobleman in The Last Duel because of good direction, I could buy him as Batman with good direction. Affleck just didn't get good direction because Snyder is not a good director.

>>213358893 (OP)
Best live action fight scenes in a batman film, bar-none. Keaton's doesn't count since it's almost completely CGI.

>>213360307

>>213360039
>Batman is supposed to be a genius.
No live action Batman plays up that aspect.

>>213360299
>if he chose to start killing criminals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbbhwhIjrHo

>>213358893 (OP)
Great casting, bad films

>>213360377
>Clooney was fine
No he wasn't, and Forever already did the "what if West but it's today" gimmick better.

>>213360428
The other live action Batmans are believable in that aspect, though. It doesn't need to be played up.

>>213360447
Joker kills himself in this scene. There is the fan theory (which I actually like) that Batman killed Joker and then hallucinated the final conversation to cope, but Miller disagreed that that was his intention.

>>213360447
>>213360500
It's a joint euthanasia by both. Batman breaks his neck but the Joker twists it in a way that would ensure death.

>>213360536
Even still, Batman was acting in self defense as Joker was literally stabbing him to death, and even then he couldn't take it all the way. Joker could have survived.

>>213360500
Neither Keaton nor Baleman seemed particularly smart to me. Haven't watched the Pattinson one but I don't expect any different.

>>213360500
>>213360536
Or the end of the Killing Joke, where Alan Moore basically copies Frank Miller's idea and it's implied he kills the joker.

>>213358893 (OP)
He would have been good Batman if he had actually given good movies.

>>213360584
His solo movie sounded promising. Like a mix of BTAS and the Arkham games. But the DCU had a curse on it if you think about it.
>the ezra miller downfall
>snyder's daughter dying
>ray fisher's dead career
>affleck's downward spiral into alcoholism
>henry cavill being brought back just to be fired
etc, etc

>>213358893 (OP)
>i'm murder every bad guy I met except Joker.

>>213358893 (OP)
The scene from BvS where he talked about colonial era Waynes being hunters was metal as fuck.

>>213360403
They don't even look the same.
Is it because they're wearing grey overcoats?

>>213358893 (OP)
The horro-esque scenes when he is terrorizing criminals were cool and the batcave was interesting. Everything else was shit and he had the worst batmobile.

>>213360722
https://youtu.be/QfubcZaU1is?si=bGIhiB4tWwFIC1uF

>>213359041
>uh other than a perfect real life adaptation of the 90s cartoon batman?
What cartoon did you watch?

>>213358893 (OP)
He was so great. He did everything right.
>but he kills people!
All live action Batman kill people.

>>213360909

>>213358893 (OP)
Great as Bruce Wayne, servicible as Batman, the bad part were that the movies themselves were so-so movies at best.

>>213359927
This part was terrible.

>>213360909
Batman killing people is based. The more the merrier

>>213358893 (OP)
He's American, also the jaw.

>>213358893 (OP)
Batflecks characterization was the closest to the Batman TAS, who is the Batman millenials are most familiar with

I can't remember who Batfleck kills other than shooting a couple of people from the Batmobile.

The worst Batman was Keaton's. Burton made him a wacky psycho for no reason

>>213359446
>He saw exactly how this never ending war was destroying Bruce and did little to hold him back.

Wtf did you expect him to do, he serves the Waynes and thus serves Bruce. He did give him his opinion but at the end of the day, he still has to serves even if in a suicidal course of action. Thats loyalty.

>>213359850
Just because it references something doesn't make it good.

>>213360831
>I'm older now than my father ever was
Only good line spoken in the entire movie.

>>213359446
Man, Snyderverse had so much potential. Snyder aimed to craft a darker, more mature interpretation of the superhero genre in movies, much like what Frank Miller and Alan Moore accomplished in the 1980s with their seminal comic works. His vision was clear: a deconstruction of larger than life heroes, placing them in morally complex worlds that challenged traditional notions of good and evil.

In many ways, he succeeded in establishing the tone at least. Visually and atmospherically, his films captured a brooding, mythic quality that set them apart from more conventional superhero fare. There was a deliberate attempt to infuse weight and grandeur into every scene, echoing the operatic style of the classic dark graphic novels.

However, while the tone was compelling, the execution of substance fell short. The emotional and thematic depth that the visuals hinted at often lacked the necessary development to make a lasting impact. The storytelling felt dry at times, more concerned with appearing profound than actually being profound. The characters, despite being portrayed as gods among men, rarely felt fully fleshed out on a human level. Moments that should have carried emotional weight were often undercut by pacing issues or underdeveloped arcs.

In the end, he captured the "vibe" of dark, mature storytelling, but not always the "substance" that gave those stories their enduring power.

>>213358893 (OP)
He was great in the "Bruce is the persona, Batman is the real him" thing.

>>213362323
>deconstruction
This shit is always gay and lame.

>>213358893 (OP)
The only thing he did wrong was not give us the Batman Vs Deathstroke movie we deserved.

>>213360021
I liked how Batman actually struggles to take out some armed goons. He's not some perfect warrior. He gets shot a bunch of times and it definitely hurts him, but his suit can take it. And the bad guys don't just go down with one punch. He has to really fuck them up. It seemed like a very realistic adaptation.

>>213358967
the car sucks
>F1 sound
>CGI most of the time

>>213362323
thanks grok