Everybody who dies with their brain intactwill reanimate as zombies, so that's EVERYBODY who got killed at the end of the movie, except that one guy who got shot in the head, and another who shot himself in the head. Bub is going to get his fren back because Dr. Matthew "Frankenstein" Logan was shot in the torso only. That army gun who got pulled apart will reanimate as a sightless severed head unless the zombie fingers poked through his brains, but they probably didn't reach pass his eyeballs.

>>213359197 (OP)
The only army guy who got to mercy kill himself in the end was the guy who got to mercy kill his fren earlier. Steel was the only sensible army guy who wouldn't shoot Sarah just because Rhodes told him to, who TOLD Rhodes they must shoot Miguel who was bit -- it was BECAUSE Rhodes wanted Miguel to suffer that he wouldn't shoot Miguel, I don't think anybody would have attacked him for that, Sarah would just yell.

The irony is that Miguel died relatively intact, he's missing one arm but he should be walking around when he reaniimated, while his bullies in life are gong to come back as extremely crippled zombies since all the army guys in the end was torn apart.

>>213359197 (OP)

>>213359602
The last we've seen of MIguel is when he's lying on he platform, one zombie gnawing at his arm stump, the other tearing at his neck, not a big chunk but where he'll probably bled out quick, right after Miguel press the buttons the zombies would be distracted by the machine noise, the shouting humans below, then Miguel who wasn't screaming and died quick.

>>213359644
I don't remember this in Aliens

>>213359734
Why did Miguel done do it? murder suicide? was he processed by the zombies though the bite?

>>213359901
Director's cut

>Listen. You can hear it over the engine.
Fucking nightmare fuel.

>>213360375
>Choke on 'em! Choke on 'em!

is there food?

>>213360678
I'M RUNNING THIS MONKEY FARM NOW FRANKENSTEIN

>>213360078
Everybody was bullying him, including his girlfriend who basically medically raped him, twice, first when she drugged him absolutely against his will so he can 'get some sleep, then when she knocked him out with a rock so she can cut off his infected arm when she should know he would nt have wanted that and she put him through a lot of suffering when there was a high chance he'll die anyways.

>>213360375
Night of the Living Dead has an iconic ending, Day of the Dead has an iconic opening, the light hearted sunny music is kino too

Miguel's droning Hello is in the beginning of a Gorillaz video

George Romero never said what is turning the dead into zombies that wants to eat us, but if it's like the wildfire virus in Waking Dead, then it's probably something that turn the still living already infected into absolute retards as well. So they were 4 people in a fully loaded small helicopter calling for survivors to come to them when their helicopter can't actually fit more? Why did they let zombies gather in a crowd outside their base separated only by a metal wire fence when they have so many material underground that lets them shore up the fences around the helicopter pad at least? I see RVs they could have parked around the helicopter and entrance.

>>213360957
I always like the detail of the hard hat carrying zombie who look like she woke up perched on an electrical box up high -- I think as a human she got up there to get away from the zombies and then died of thirst or heat. Maybe she even had her hard hat upside down on her lap light that because she was trying to collect rain water.

>>213359197 (OP)
I saw someone on Facebook posted recently that they got ahold of one of the zombie masks from this movie. And I thought to myself huh?
I don't remember any masks; I remember a lot of prosthetic corpse makeup, but no masks.
Turns out masks were used for a lot of the background extra zombies--zombies I frankly never paid very much attention to since so many of the "hero" zombies steal the show--and now having seen that mask, I can't unsee them everywhere. All over this particular scene, there's just inanimate Halloween masks galore.

>>213361282
climbs up to get away from zombie, it's hot and you are thirsty, falls asleep, wakes up to the sound of "hello, is somebody there"

>>213359197 (OP)
>That army gun who got pulled apart will reanimate as a sightless severed head unless the zombie fingers poked through his brains, but they probably didn't reach pass his eyeballs.

Fun fact, that animatronic head was made when they were still working to the original script, and it would be a head that reanimates in a bag. They glued some facial hair on it to make it look like the soldier guy.

>>213360768
I'LL ASK AGAIN, IS THERE FOOD?!

>>213361405
Cute zombie
>>213361341
the masked zombies were meant to be in the back of the scene, but for some reason aren't
also I'm watching Savini's commentary on Dawn while browsing this thread https://youtu.be/vOYs6XMREOQ

>>213361341
That zombie falling out was unscripted, the actor couldn't see and stepped forward too soon, can't remember if he said mask or make-up though.

I really miss the days of practical effects, noting looks as good as real fire and real explosions too, but alas, it was really dangerous. Even something as simple as that lift scene, that falling actor could have broken something -- people have died falling of the stage.

I like watching David Caruso's cop/ gangsta movies, he's really active actor climbing over fences and he was in a car that flipped, it was really notable the switch from a real car fire in Michael Haytes vs all the CGI Explosions in CSI: Miami, I think a lot of shows that used the early CGI that's really obviously have a deliberate comic book / cartoon / soap opera feel even when those effects aren't being used.

Zombie is probably is probably one of the only genre in which practical effect is still used, to this day.

>>213361405
You are not hot anymore, you are hungry, where is that food noise coming from?

>>213361538
head recycling continues! There was a head in Dawn of the Dead that was originally supposed to be Frannie's death by chopper blade before test audience judged it too harsh, I can't remember what it was actually used for, a guy who got headshot in the apartment raid or a different zombie that got the top of his head taken off by helicopter blade.

>>213361817
I'd let her eat me
>>213362335
It was for the headshot in the apartment

Why did they make all the racist, bigoted, and rape-y characters out to be dishonorable cowards who leave their fellow brothers-in-arms behind?

>>213362382
There was a scene in the apartment, of a zombified "Miguel!", the swat try to get his GF or wife to stay away but she did not and he bit her. I wonder though if there was a part of Miguel that had walked towards his wife because he wanted to hug or kiss her, but he just smells so much like food he bit her instead. In Walking Dead, Morgan's zombie wife kept finding them even though they moved around.

In the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead, they wondered if Andy was alright after being attacked by a zombie at first, as they saw him on the roof writing something on the sign he then held up -- just blood smears instead of words because Andy is a zombie now, but why would a zombie do anything with the sign in the first place?

>>213362944
>why would a zombie do anything with the sign in the first place?
They comment on zombies returning to the mall cause it's what they know from before. Some of the dead remember a little. Flyboy leads a whole pack of zombies to their secret spot through the false wall at the end of the original Dawn.

>>213362810
>Why did they make all the racist, bigoted, and rape-y characters out to be dishonorable cowards who leave their fellow brothers-in-arms behind?
...because George Romero let political shrilling override nuances. I think it was out of character to how Rhodes was behaving before for him to abandon his comrades. He looked really upset when he found the bodies of his dead being used by Frankenstein to feed zombies. In order to get John to hellicopter his men out, it makes more sense if the option was for them to shoot John's friends OR leave them with the safety of the compound with all its resources -- Sarah wanted to keep studying the zombies anyhow, him riling John up like that was not a rational thing, but he was mad at all the non-soldiers, there was an us vs them mentality. Rhodes was reckless, but I don't get coward from him. This is such a problem with so many western work, lack of nuances especially with a 'racist' character.

I love what the Japs did with the Hellsing Ultimate anime, the Nazi Vampires (and werwwolf, and robot) were definitely bad guys, but they weren't cartoonishlly one dimensional. The head villain is because he loves war and death and nothing else, he is a hedonist in that way, but he doesn't fear death, he refuses to drink blood to become a vampire when he was given that choice or death, a temptation the vampire hero...or the designated hero's side's vampire, had failed to resist.

>>213362810
Only Rhodes is a dishonorable coward.

>>213362944
...oh, Dawn of the Dead (2004) has a better opening credits sequence thn the entire movie, which dragged on once they got onto the mall, they made a "Special Report" news sequence not a regular part of the movie that's good too, a news anchor at his desk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVH8J8iOUOw

The problem with the remake is that they got to the mall too soon and with too many people. In the original they didn't get to the hall till 30 minutes in and it was full of zombies they have to clear. In the remake they are opening the doors to the mall not even 20 minutes in, and it's already cleared. The remake's mall is just not a fun character in itself like the Monroe Mall, which had fountains, gardens, a clock tower, skating rink, an arcade and a gunshop (which was not in the real mall), the original Dawn of the Dead mall was like a small city full of consumer goodies.

>>213363733
The film would have been so much better if Rhodes wasn't a dishonourable coward, that he was brave and generally good to his men -- except for the Outsider, like the hispanic and the black guy, and that's his fatal flaw, the us vs them mentality, that he hates the hispanic guy so much he wants him to suffer, didn't put him down after he got bit, and after so much bullying the hispanic guy brought the zombies to him,

>>213363733
>Only Rhodes is a dishonorable coward.
at that point it was every man for himself.

>>213364304
A game at the Aracde. The old mall had a huge department store full of stuff, houseplants, beds, sports equipment, so many clothes, and the grocery store had steaks, it was a functioning mall and they filmed at night. The "Crossroad Malls" was filmed at a Canadian mall that was already closed and was about to be torn down, but even before it wasn't that big, felt like a strip mall

>>213359197 (OP)

Day of the Dead SUCKS, and /tv/'s wrongheaded affinity for it is is one of its greatest collective defects in taste. /tv/ Day appreciatiors shall always remain wrong. /tv/ looks at a turd and they see beauty where very little exists.

Despite a few redeeming qualities, Day of the Dead is in actual fact, and far and way, the worst of the original trilogy. The original crystallized the premise, and the sequel, the original Dawn (the best zombie film), apotheosized the siege concept which underpins the modern genre (the original film is a small siege). What is terrible about Day is the hamming and amateurish bitching among the main cast, and no, their situation doesn't excuse the amateurish delivery of the actors. Especially bad is the early scene in the conference room where the actors bitch at each other, establishing conflict. Equally stupid is the Snidely Whiplash "Bad Guy" who, although he can be argued to be a rational actor, nevertheless manages to come off as an asshole because that's just how bad his acting is, and that's just how stupid /tv/ are for liking him as a character. Nor is John Goodman sidekick any better. Nor is the weak swarthy "good guy" who somehow is the woman's boyfriend (what does she see in him?!). The official purpose of the lab is stupid (thus, so is its lead doctor). I cannot overstate that THERE ISN'T ANYONE WORTH LIKING. /tv/ only really likes the movie for its full-color gore, and they choose to ignore the crappy acting or worse, praise it. The Thing, by contrast, has both competent acting and gore to boot. I REALLY hate the acting in Day, and you should too. You should reject the idea that it is a good film.

Still, there's a few cool shots which /tv/ mistakes as markers for an overall good film: the dream sequence hands, the title screen itself, and the dread of the bus-sized lowered platform (shown in the OP), delivering doom. All these are overshadowed by a rational viewer's lack of concern for the characters.

>>213359197 (OP)
They found the original negative.

>>213364777
reddit opinion

>>213364777
>I cannot overstate that THERE ISN'T ANYONE WORTH LIKING

not a valid criticism and instantly invalidates any point you may have had (not that you had any to begin with)

>>213364875

Irrelevant reply. Not only did I get trips, I got triple seven. And you know exactly what that means in this place. I'm right.

>>213364777
>Nor is the weak swarthy "good guy" who somehow is the woman's boyfriend (what does she see in him?!).
Reverse the gender and you'll realise that the scientist is the abusive one, what she sees in him is sex, she was using him for sex and completely disrespects him to his face and is likely a big contributor to his break-down.

>>213364777
>I cannot overstate that THERE ISN'T ANYONE WORTH LIKING
I really like the gay couple and their comfy abode:

>>213364777
>he weak swarthy "good guy" who somehow is the woman's boyfriend (what does she see in him?!).

This is the only part of your post that I agree with.

>>213365084
wtf are they supposed to be gay? I thought flyboy wanted to procreate with science lady?

>>213364991

Yes, it is so a valid criticism, and you are incorrect. In the case of a horror flick, if they're all just meat, then the exercise is pointless. Things are more dramatically interesting when we start to care about/relate to a character and THEN they're horribly killed. None of these people matter at all. WE don't even care that they're strung out. That they're all strung out is not "the whole point". The conference room scene is so especially god-damned bad that when read properly we're checked out on everybody on the base from this point forward (and the sicko doc once we see his subjects spilling their organs out in the next scene, which amazingly does nothing to validate the military guys' frustration just before). We get a little bit of humanity with the doctor who is fascinated with his work and the "good guys" who hide out in their deep cave hideout for a bit, but it comes to nothing.

It's the same basic problem shared with Alien 3. No one cares about a bunch of violent criminals, nor should they.

>>213365084
John (the black guy) tells Sarah that they can "get some babies" and that they can "start over." He was laying his claim, but heh.

>>213365084
Sarah was the ONLY woman at the base, it's true that only the army guys made sexual comments about her, that the scientist guys had zero sexual chemistry too, but let's remember John was okay with leaving the only woman at the base, as far as he knows, the only woman left in the world, behind with the zombies, to make sure that him and BILLY is safe. If Billy wasn't with Sarah in the end (and if Billy wouldn't have insist that they left with Sarah), maybe John would have just left with Billy. One of the chill things about the original Romero films is that there is always a friendship between a black man and a white woman and there is always ZERO sexual tension.

>>213365154
That anon is joking. Sarah's boyfriend, that faggot who let the zombie horde in, now he was closeted. I think she only tolerated him because he was more intelligent than Rickles and Steel, is all.

>>213365168
>Yes, it is so a valid criticism

"No!"

>>213365090

Progress. Keep re-reading the post until you agree with more of it.

>>213365183
>it's true that only the army guys made sexual comments about her,

Did you forget the scene where she's told to watch herself physically? Then later a fight breaks out between the soldiers that spills out into the hallway and it feels as if it's over Sarah, who is quickly shuttled away from the situation.
Their captain even mentioned they wanted their turn at some "lovin."

>>213365154
The only reason John (and Billy) invited Sarah along was because there is safety in number, Sarah is a scientist so she's the closest thing to a doctor, and she does some of what the soldiers does, shes' a good fighter with gun. They knew she was with Miguel and they probably assume he'll tag along in the beginning since Miguel doesn't like the other soldiers. I'm not saying they absolutely must be gays, just that they could be, if they weren't gay though they still probably love each other in a platonic way that would be more than any desire for Sarah, like Holmes and Watson.

>>213365225
He was gay and she was the sole woman. Their 'relationship' protected each other.

>>213365260
haha

>>213365290
Agreed.
Btw Dawn>Day>Night

>>213365225
>I think she only tolerated him because he was more intelligent than Rickles and Steel, is all.
I think Sarah picked Miguel because he was the only one she can bulldoze over, mentally and physically since she drugged him against his will.

>>213365349
And he was homosexual and needed an ally.
I could more see the normal scientist guy(the who who gets his head blown off) getting with her than that guy.

>>213365275
What you said doesn't disagree with what I said.... There were the army guys, the science team, and then John and Billy. I mention that there was zero sexual tension between Sarah with John or Billy -- but note that it doesn't definitively mean John and Billy MUST be gay since the two science guys had no sexual tension with Sarah either.

>>213359901
James Cameron admitted that he designated random VHS collector's editions from way back to contain some special edition scenes integrated into the final film, leading to confusion as to what constitutes the original cut.

>>213365398
>What you said doesn't disagree with what I said
I know, I wasn't trying to disagree for its own sake, which is stupid, was just adding. My style was clumsy.

>>213365168
I think the film does manage to portray the characters in a way that is endearing when you consider their situation:
-they have no contact to any other group of suvivors
-every expedition to find more survivors ends in failure
-experiments to understand the virus have become much more extreme
-cabin fever is setting in, not to mention the pressure of the literal apocalypse

if anyones is acting over-the-top, its because they are actually slowly losing their minds, they are clinging to the old order of the world because its the only hope they have left

you may not like the characters, but i find them enjoyable, even the ones that are going insane like rhoades and frankenstein, they are very interesting to me

>>213365385
If Miguel was actually homosexual he probably would have been better liked by the army guys considering the woman shortage.

>>213365290
If he or anyone was actually gay then Rhodes and the rest of his men would have absolutely harped on the opportunity to throw some gay slurs around and would not have been shy to do so.

>>213365482
Read my post again, nitwit

>>213365461
You forget his crucifix, he would never let it out of the closet. That may have also been another reason why they tolerated him because to them down there after all that time, deep down they knew him as their de facto priest. That isn't to bash all priests, just saying.

>>213365451
it's cool, i get it now.

>>213365515

>>213365452
>I think the film does manage to portray the characters in a way that is endearing when you consider their situation:
>-they have no contact to any other group of suvivors
>-every expedition to find more survivors ends in failure
>-experiments to understand the virus have become much more extreme
>-cabin fever is setting in, not to mention the pressure of the literal apocalypse
>if anyones is acting over-the-top, its because they are actually slowly losing their minds, they are clinging to the old order of the world because its the only hope they have left

This anon McFuckin' gets it. Day of the Dead is THE END. It's the final end, the day that they wish they'd never live to see, but they did. And now it's dawning on them (ha) that they're it. They even mention that fact and are none too pleased. It's all very appropriate.

>>213365452
>>213365599
The remaining survivors are also no better than the zombies. Both are doing what they remember what to do from 'before.' Before death and before the apocalypse.

>>213365639
>The remaining survivors are also no better than the zombies.

1-800-come-on-now.gif

>>213360678
There is, but first we have to finish S A R A H S R E S E A R C H

>>213365666
God you're stupid.

>>213365599
>>213365666
double checked

Day of the Dead is certified kino™

>>213365670
>S A R A H S R E S E A R C H

I gotta remember to yell that out when enough people are dickheads in public, maybe. Depends on how cool the general makeup of the people involved are before I decide to commit to something so disgustingly nerdy.

>>213365544
The Day of the Dead is just so much more fucked up and strange once you remember that everybody who dies whose brain was not destroy will become a zombie, meaning that Frankestein has reanimated, how intelligent would he be as a zombie...is he going to be performing experiments on the crippled zombies the soldiers now are? Since, Rhodes is now just his top half, and Torrez is now a blind severed head -- and we've already seen what Frankestein did to another soldier's head that made Sarah really sick. Wait a minute, isn't Juan Torrez a spic name? So they were probably dunking on Miguel because he's squirrely, not because he's a hispanic.

>>213365698
>actually, saying mean words is just as bad as slowly ripping a living man's head off chudcelbigonazi

why didn't they think of making some spears and take shifts to stab all the zombies at their gates instead of just letting them gather in numbers?

>>213365501
Frankly the only sexual tension in Day of the Dead was between Rhodes and Sarah, I don't think Miguel thinks about sex with anybody at all.

>>213365750
Again you're an idiot. I'm talking about the cycles they're stuck in. Humans are stuck pretending everything is okay and trying to keep their microsociety afloat.

>>213365765
The Walking Dead hadn't come out yet.

>>213365765
Real answer? Full-auto guns were still plentiful in 1985 America so having characters rely on spears would have alienated the audience, says I.

>>213365788
Sure you were. Sorry you're mad and that your night is wrecked thoughimmer.
Maybe watch The Lion King again, pumpkin.

>>213365788
But the characters literally break the cycle at the end and go live out their days at an island paradise.
Why then are they the same as the zombies?

>>213365822
What the fuck are you talking about. Lay off the fucking booze old man.

Is this the thread where we all jerk each other off?

>>213365771
>Frankly the only sexual tension in Day of the Dead was between Rhodes and Sarah

Uhh....lol Rather one-sided, but technically you're not wrong. Frankly I think John was openly hitting on Sarah with the "get some babies" comment as he reaches out to her no less.

>>213365848
That's the point of the movie! To break the cycle!

>>213365851
You're so angry. Maybe you should leave since you can't handle reading words that are foreign to your brain. Might I suggest the lgbt board?

>>213365765
Maybe they thought they would find the cure to zombies before the ones at the gate became a problem, and then the crowd got big, really, they let what should have been an easier problem become a more difficult problem, giving the zombies time to learn -- like why the fuck did they have a corral of free roaming zombies in their base? It's implied those were captured specimens, why not keep these restrained in a box rather than free roaming in in the tunnels that were also the only other exit from the base? Oh, they had RVs down in the base they totally should have moved above ground too.

>>213365855
thats this way:
>>213347890

>>213365855
NO. Because if it is....they get court-martialed....

>>213365796
They don't have enough ammunition.

>>213365733
>meaning that Frankestein has reanimated,
Yet he didn't. That's the thing that most anons miss in the ending: the plague ran its course. It really was all over.

>Wait a minute, isn't Juan Torrez a spic name? So they were probably dunking on Miguel because he's squirrely, not because he's a hispanic.

They were dunking on him because he was a dork and a pompous fuck.

>>213365934
Right, that's mentioned too. Keep in mind that they're soldiers, who tend to do what they're told and Rhodes probably didn't order them to make spears because he's too busy staring at Sarah.

>>213365855
Shitposting must be rewarded, anon. If it isn't rewarded, there's no use for it.

>>213365725
I usually have a hard time out in public when anything tangentially related to baneposting says or happens. I either stifle laughter or I want to shout FOR YOU or something. I already understand I'm retarded, in case anyone wanted to diagnose me.

>>213366086
The attempt alone is proof of a soul, something Day of the Dead has a lot of.

>>213365949
they were just seething because the only woman around would rather drink horachata rather than their boring ass vanilla milkshakes

>>213365851
He'll have to lay off the fucking booze or their won't fucking be any of it fucking left.

>>213366144
fuck the booze
I'd rather be smoking some of that dank military zombie weed

Ive never actually watched day of the dead with another person IRL in my life.

Ive had one personneaych dawn with me and gave up halfway through.

I've seen dawn about 1000 times and fallen asleep to it countless times.

Love it so much.

Day I've seen about 250 times since it's hard and rough. Full of issues and stuff. The best damn special effects.

" fly this whirly bird somewhere ext lol "

Land of the dead is fuckinng retarded but slept to it like 500 times.

" like making fun of people? I'd make a lot of fun out of you "

Fuggg. I love you all

>>213366208
Do you think their pot was any good?

>>213365452

Thank you for your thoughtful reply, although I correctly reject your conclusions. All the plot and character basics you've mentioned are well understood by all, and easily explain why they're upset, going crazy etc. The acting is just awful, all the way through, and the apocalyptic setting does nothing to redeem the film. This isn't the case for the first two (Night, Day), which have good performances.

Of course, no rational viewer agrees that any of the portrayals are "endearing" in any meaningful way. Dawn does a much better job of that (they have more time to think about their lives, is this life worth living at all. The black guy briefly entertains suicide and then decides fuck it, let's go for the chopper). Again, you could chalk this up to stress per plot basics, but when confronted with the performances in Day which convey that stress, there isn't anything endearing. The woman is (understandably) shrill, the army guys are assholes, etc. They don't have any time to do, dream or think anything to make themselves endearing, except for the getaway in the cave.

For obvious reasons, there isn't anything "enjoyable" about any of these people, another useful word to think about it. They're a bunch of assholes going crazy together, and they manage to go crazy together in such a way that no right-thinking viewer cares about any of them, or sustains any serious interest in any of them, even taking their situation (and terrible, terrible acting) into account. That's the point. Rightly understood, the enormity of the apocalypse itself overwhelms the little drama that plays out immediately before, and invalidates it, just as it invalidates /tv/'s affinity for this stupid film. The only valid reason why any of you people like it at all is because it has slightly better full-color gore than Dawn.

>>213359197 (OP)
>no one left
>no mission
>no hope
>the only woman is a scold in her late 30's with a mentally ill beard
>everyone's just waiting for the fuel to run out so they can snatch whatever resources are available and make a break for it
>the only scientist who has an idea what they're doing is trying to domesticate zombies for a large-scale, industrialised society that doesn't exist
>the only guys who can fly you out think drinking themselves to death on a beach is as good as it gets
>you know that even if you convince the scold to try to create another generation she'll still likely have one, maybe two kids
>they'll live and die like tribals on that island as the last two people in all the world
Way better misery porn than Threads.

>>213366144
Billy can make his own moonshine with coconuts and/or bananas, but he probably has less reason to drink now. Although Sarah, what's Sarah is going to do when she runs out of paper for calender? Pretty wasteful the way she's doing it too.

>>213366232
*hug*
The thread is one great big TOMBSTONE
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tombstone
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ooooooooooohh

>>213365851
>Lay off the fucking booze old man.
Must be tired for me to miss that. You're still mad dough.
Bonus question: did Steel go to Heaven?

>>213366239
it was the 80s so it was probably good for the time.

but compared to what's available nowadays? absolutely not. but it's not a fair comparison. I only started smoking myself in 2016 and started with California so I'm fortunate and spoiled when it comes to weed quality. I feel bad for people who still have to deal with shitty dirt weed

>>213366242
Sarah's actor does much better than Francine's actor who is kinda wooden -- though that might be a deliberate choice since at one point Francie is compared to a mannequin, the three survivors in Day of the Dead just have a better chemistry with each other than the ones in Dawn of the Dead -- Roger and Peter were bros, but after Roger died, Peter was just mourning him, he wasn't really friends with Francine or Stephen, and Francine and Stephen really doesn't have much chemistry.. I don't feel like the last three survivors in Dawn cared for each other at all, the only thing tying them together was the mall.

>>213366371
>I feel bad for people who still have to deal with shitty dirt weed

When it isn't flushed right it can ruin some nice strains to be sure. Rhodes really should have smoked, but we'd be discussing a boring film once in that case and never again.

John Harrison made the best soundtrack for any movie here. The music is way better than it had any reason to be.

I just told you I was willing to kill you if you didn't post dubs.
You didn't post dubs.

>>213366397
Nta, but when Roger gets bit, it's one of those times that no matter how many times I've seen it, I still hate that he gets bit and I root for him to avoid it every time like a retard. :)

>>213366429
The vinyl rip is sublime.

>>213366121
Juan Torrez is also hispanic and Sarah wasn't fucking Torrez, she chose the one guy she can bully. If Miguel wasn't there Sarah might have picked her nerdy co-worker, except that he probably intellectually intimidates her, maybe the weed guy. I think she does find Rhodes physically attractive, and they are both pushy jerks, but then he might brag about it, or maybe he'll keep it a secret so that it doesn't cause a rift with his pals who aren't getting any?

>>213366438
>Post.
>but I don' wanna
>POST AND POST NOW.

>>213366419
he was definitely smoking something but it's unclear if it's supposed to be a cig or joint

weed doesn't automatically remove the cunt from a person's personality although I truly wish it did

>>213359197 (OP)
>watching day of the dead (1985) on youtube
>helicopter touches down
>hello.wav
>zombies in window
>zombies in stores
>zombies in croc
>zombies in tipped over dump truck full of sand
>waitasecond
>zombies falling from rooftop
>wut.jpg
>zombies in junkyard with spikezombie armored up
>whatthefuckamiwatching.mov
>zombies in some victorian wedding
>this goes on for another several minutes
>they get back in the helicopter and fly away from the zombies
>rest of movie just like i remembered
im never watching zombie movies on youtube again

>>213366533
Looks like a cig 100%, anon. No way was the captain smoking reefer right in front of his men anyway. I mean, he let them drink beer and smoke and grow pot, so....


>weed doesn't automatically remove the cunt from a person's personality although I truly wish it did

There is that too, but it seriously looks like a cigarette although I grant you that it could be a expertly rolled joint, and let's face it, Rhodes was wound tight enough to do it.

>>213366563
What the fuck?

Day of The Dead is the best of the trilogy, but

>Putting one woman in with 10+ other men
Is more retarded than putting 0 women.
The men would have done better with no women.
There should have been 5-6 women down there minimum. To prevent as much infighting as possible. Militaries have known this for hundreds to thousands of years. That's why most militaries let a healthy amount of pillaging happen.
It was so unrealistic it's the only thing that takes me out of the entire movie.

>>213366675
And then they want to throw her away instead of taking her at the end. I still wouldn't change a thing.

>>213366675
It was very rushed! This operation was put together in a matter of days!

>>213359197 (OP)
It's weird how this movie had several times the budget of Dawn of the Dead, but felt so much smaller in scope? I do admit that the make-up and gore effects were superior in Day of the Dead though.

>>213366890
>but felt so much smaller in scope?
The outdoors will always beat a cave in terms of scope, it's just how it is.

>>213366020
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>>213366533
Anon, download a fucking correct aspect ratio copy already, for FUCK'S

There's even a 4:3 open matte version on the internet archive that's better than this awkwardly stretched out shit

>>213366950
Yes but WHY did it have several times the budget despite still having no-name actors and being filmed primarily in one location? Those underground corridors could have easily been faked in a studio instead.

>>213367024
lol I know I need to download a new copy but I just haven't gotten around to it even after watching it several times now

I'm the kind of person that doesn't mind watching 480p porn

>>213367160
>I'm the kind of person that doesn't mind watching 480p porn
As disturbing as that is, this isn't even a resolution issue. You're watching the movie crooked. Even worse, you keep posting it HERE ALL CROOKED EVERY TIME.

>>213367261
you seem to be wound up really tight, anon
I got just the thing to chill you out

>>213367141
>Those underground corridors could have easily been faked in a studio instead.

I disagree, but I see what you mean. My take is that the special effects ate up a lot of the budget and the logistics of the cave complicated matters, which some of the documentaries briefly touched upon.

>>213366447
Roger was increasingly erratic because he was having a mental breakdown from his trauma conga line: his fellow officer on the roof next to him get shot, another goes insane and has to be put down, he sees a fellow officer commit suicide, and then while fueling up, a zombie almost snuck up on him, only to stopped by the chopper blade, in that moment he realise he almost died twice - either that zombie could have got him or the chopper blade could have.killed him.

The Night of the Living Dead got criticized for Barbara being a fragile woman who spent most of it in catatonia -- but she actually did pretty well until she found that gorey half eaten corpse on the second floor, then it was one event in the trauma conga line too many and she had her mental breakdown. Of note is that in the coloured remake where Barbara was a tom girl with short hair who girlbossed her way through instead, THAT Barbara never stumbled upon the gory corpse, and se didn't seem close to her brother at all. The original Barbara was close to her brother, so she felt great grief and guilt that she left him in the graveyard. Johnny had the keys and Barbara was pretty smart undoing the brakes so the car can roll down hill away from the zombies that surrounded it. Then she ran into a house, locked the doors, and tried the phone.

Frannie seem the most mentally table and I think it's because she got her sleep, she starts the movie napping, and was visibly sound asleep again on the helicopter in the daytime. Roger was pictured asleep when Frannie and Peter was talking when the helicoper took off at night but I don't think he got enough as he was yawning when he got to the mall and Peter wasn't -- the weren't on the same squad so Roger's day could have started earlier than Peter's, but even if it was same amount of time, Roger experienced more stress.

I just think Roger's fate was pretty much seal the moment they decide to go down to the mall without even sleeping first.

>>213366766
I know that's the script.
it's still bullshit.
No man would agree to do that for her safety or for their sanity.

>>213366713
i think that's when steel and rickles started realizing this shit was getting out of hand.
I know time is a bit weird in the film.
we are seeing a few weeks placed together in what makes it feel like a few hours/days.
whole shit is absurd.

>>213367451
>Of note is that in the coloured remake where Barbara was a tom girl with short hair who girlbossed her way through instead

(who makes me diamonds btw)

>The original Barbara was close to her brother, so she felt great grief and guilt that she left him in the graveyard.

Interesting take. I always thought thought she was merely insane by that time.

>Frannie

She was the girliest, thus the happiest. Your sleep hypothesis has some merit.

>>213367491
>agree
They were soldiers in the mid-80s. There's no agreeing about it. They do it or get shot, likely.

>I know time is a bit weird in the film.
>we are seeing a few weeks placed together in what makes it feel like a few hours/days.
>whole shit is absurd.

It's basically got the same time dilation as The Empire Strikes Back where Luke is fully trained for Vader, but not, but is! (lol Lucas, I love you, you fuck)

>>213359197 (OP)
Savini's a weird little fella.

>>213359197 (OP)
Sherman Howard not a fan of the movie.
At all.

>>213367708
The docs seem to contradict that account.

Steel praying before he shot himself always gets me, I like to think he wasn't all that bad deep down inside but was instead forced to act ruthless to survive.

>>213367631
>They were soldiers in the mid-80s. There's no agreeing about it. They do it or get shot, likely.
No I'm saying NO ONE making the decisions would agree to that.
It's a world ending situation, and you decide to put one woman with exponential amounts of men?
Not to mention she is the only virologist on the entire team?
I'm telling you for her safety, no one would agree to her being the only woman.
Especially since the idea that if she is hurt or compromised the entire BIOlogical study she is trying to determine goes out the window.
I'd have a few more women there just so if shit hits the fan she would be the least likely targeted.

>>213367770
>racist
>wasn't all that bad deep down inside

He was a piece of shit. If you're a racist then that means you're rotten to the core. Practically irredeemable. Racists CAN be rehabilitated, but it's extremely rare.

>>213359197 (OP)
i like how they all waited until the elevator came to a stop

VERY zombie-like

>>213367451
>>213366447
I've always taken it as Roger is really fucked up mentally from the apartment raid and never really recovers from it. Maybe in time he could have but I kind of doubt it. He had been growing increasingly manic and reckless by the time he got bit and if it hadn't happened when it did it would have happened later. In some sense you could say he did die back at the apartment.
The way Frannie is written is definitely in part a response to the criticism of Barbara's writing. Unlike Barbara who falls apart and spends much of the movie being somewhat useless, Frannie refuses to sit on the sidelines, demanding to help out even though she is the least physically able of the group(both from being a woman and being several months pregnant.) She's the one who suggests learning to pilot the helicopter in case anything happens to Steven.
I don't think it's quite right to talk about the character's mental states purely in terms of stress, given different people react to it differently and have different tolerances for it. Peter for example is attacked by and has to kill a few zombie children, and is nearly shot by accident by Steven. It's an understated part of the film, but he's definitely experienced racism before too. For Steven's part, he's never(or at least not often) fired a gun before and definitely has less experience in fearing for his life than cops Peter and Roger do.
I have heard occasionally over the years that the cast of Dawn is "incompetent", which is just a bizarre thing to claim. All things considered they did pretty well. They learn how to handle and deal with the zombies pretty quickly, and the plan to block off the mall is both smart and quite complicated, and they manage to pull it off with 4 people. They then clear out the mall of zombies, are able to set up a well hidden safe room, and for the most part do pretty well for themselves until a small army of humans fucks everything up. I love the characters in this movie.

>>213367870
Not true, and Steel (and Rickles for that matter) weren't even racist in the first place. As much as they liked to call Miguel a yellow spic bastard, they were just toughening him up.

Torrez was hispanic too but nobody gave him shit because he was one of them and did his job like anyone else

>>213367961
Torrez death was fucking brutal

>>213367770
The biggest problems Rhodes and his men have are stress, exhaustion, and most crucially, lack of discipline. How "good" any of these men would be under normal circumstances I can't say, but they definitely wouldn't be nearly this bad. Any acts that come across as cruel or even just ruthless are less pragmatic and more a result of the poor discipline. They crack jokes, throw things, and have to be told commands repeatedly. And it's kind of hard to blame them for this break down. They are, potentially, the last people alive. They're stuck underground, risking their lives for research that is, in all likelihood, never going to bring about actionable results. By the time the movie has started they've already lost 5 men, and the situation is getting worse by the day. Maintaining discipline would be extremely difficult for anybody, and Rhodes is only able to kind of do it at gun point.

>>213368023
Rhodes was smart enough to realize that whatever his orders were, there's no oversight anymore. They're not in contact with anyone. There is no government, no military anymore, as far as they know. He's willing to continue his mission on principle, but he needs the scientists to demonstrate that it's worth essentially volunteering his life and that of the other men following him.
The scientists are too nose deep in their research to realize that it's almost definitely worthless. They won't be reporting back to anyone if they make a breakthrough. It won't be corroborated by other groups of scientists. It won't be utilized by anyone to any effect. They're just killing time, in some ways keeping themselves sane, at the expense of everyone else who has to deal with the reality of the situation.

would have liked to see how Dr. Frankenstein would have been able to turn all the zombies into Bub. What was his plan? Mega speakers?

>>213368153
They were, in fact, just jerkin' off here.
>>213368247
It's literally fucking impossible. Frankenstein points out to Rhodes that trying trying to shoot their way out of the problem isn't actually an option, but making the millions of zombies "behave" is completely absurd, it's actually worse than Rhodes' plan.

>>213367928
Frannie went too much in the other direction, she came off as unfeeling towards Stephen. I think Sarah was the fix for the fix-it, Sarah is tough but she shows stress and does stupid things too. I can't get over how Sarah basically medically raped Miguel TWICE and the way she treats him, but I get why she did it, and why she threw him out, which was also cruel. Sarah has to be in control, to be the boss who know what's best, she's actually the Rhodes of the science team, she's losing it too, but she pretends she's fine, so she threw Miguel out when he draw attention to the fact that she just had a nightmare. Frankenstein is so out of control she deals with it by ignoring it, she could have said, stop doing this or I will tell Rhodes

>>213368023
>Any acts that come across as cruel or even just ruthless are less pragmatic and more a result of the poor discipline.

Rhodes didn't know that the other scientists weren't in on what Frankenstein is doing, from his perspective the scieentists have been sending out his men to die to then use his men as food for zombies, that's why when they threw Sarah and Billy into the mines they called those two lunatics, because even though Billy wasn't a scientist he was caught watching the fucked up thing with Sarah.

>>213367837
In spite of all the sexual comments the soldiers made they never once tried to rape Sarah or touch her inappropriately, in the end when they thought Sarah was a lunatic who was feeding the soldiers to zombies they just shoved her into the mins alongside Billy. So the soldiers weren't rapists. The soldiers weren't racists because Toreez is hispanic. I also got the feeling tat prior to the discovery of soldiers as zombiefood, Sarah got some respect from them for doing the physical work of zombie wrangling., even if they said she was too weak.

>>213368380
Yeah I think Sarah is another refinement of Romero writing female characters. That being said, I disagree with your characterization of her relationship with Miguel. Miguel was totally out of control and a threat to both himself and everyone around him. He nearly gets Rickles killed because he insisted on coming along to collect more zombies after Sarah attempted to take his place, and actually blames her for it. She sedates him after that, and when he wakes up he bitches at and insults her and says he's "done with her", which is why she throws him out. Miguel goes on to get two more people killed and himself bit, and in spite of everything Sarah still tries to help him. Clearly a mistake since he goes on to try to kill everyone.
No shit Sarah is scared, the difference between her and Miguel or Frankenstein is she makes a serious effort to keep cool and rational, and she remains one of the most even headed characters in the movie. The comparison to Rhodes is kind of interesting, because all things considered I don't think he ever acts particularly irrational in the film. Everything he does makes sense given the situation he is in and the information he has. He's an asshole but his men are literally getting into fights with each other and he correctly suspects the scientists' work is a complete waste of time. Threatening to shoot a couple of people really isn't that bad in that context.

>>213368689
...but if Miguel was always this bad, why was she ever with him in the first place, the way she talks to him while he was still in the helicopter, how openly patronizing she is, I feel like if the genders were reversed people would cry foul.

I wonder if Rhodes being an irrational coward in the end was added because test audience sympathize him too much? If Rhodes have waited for his men the could have all made it to the door and lock it behind them, that door was breached because Rhodes locked out men with guns.

>>213368689
>Miguel goes on to get two more people killed and himself bit,
The leather strap snapped, and Miguel flipped out because everybody was wrongly blaming him for it The zombie procurement process was insane. What the scientists were doing were insane and Sarah, as kinda the in-between, should have put her foot down and told Rhodes to ignore further request for specimen till everybody was more rested.Um, instead of having the zombies solely by a neck strap, treating them like dogs, they should have lowered a hoop that binds the arms t the torso before opening the gate, and there never should have been free roaming zombie specimen in the corral in the first place. The way Frankenstien kept the zombies in his lab was hideously unsafe, held by only a neck chain in the docks -- Bub pulled that loose in the end, there should be a cage so people don't walk into grabbing range.

>>213368314
They all do start to behave in Land of the Dead. So it just took longer and more smart zombies to help out.