I am watching Avatar 2
What do you think of this movie?

Completely forgettable

>>213366642
heh, Recombinant Quarich is cool.
Plus the crab vehicles look awesome.

fucking dumb
although maybe not dumber than the first movie

I really liked it

>>213366642
yeah.... except it's not I remember the whole thing, was definitely one of the best sci-fi movies of the last 10 years, I felt like a kid reading a novel from the 70s, was amazing.

>>213366840
Care to elaborate? Explain why you think this

>>213366825
I only remember the skull scene, completely forgot about the crab vehicles. Oh there were some whales too I guess

>>213368076
for example the memory download/upload tech invalidates the premise of the first movie

literally the only movie that has been worth going to theaters for in years

>>213368047
Nice PS4 game

>>213366606 (OP)
>What do you think of this movie?

Sublime.

The bit where Spider lets his dad get away out of a sense of duty or whatever is exactly the sort of dumbtatarded thing a kid their age would actually do, thinking they were doing the right thing. JC actually writes him as a kid, rather than as a child but somehow magically capable of the reasoning and experience of a middle aged adult as most other film makers and authors do.

>>213366606 (OP)
Rehash of the first film, except now it's in Water Land instead of Forest Land from Super Mario Bros. Now we get to see Blue KINGS butcher White DEVILS in Fire Land.

>>213366642
FPBP

>bro bro bro BRO
Did the Disney rats make Cameron write this?

>>213368120
>the memory download/upload tech invalidates the premise of the first movie
It's not even an upgrade to the avatar technology, they're just using a USB stick instead of a living person, how does that invalidate anything?

>>213366606 (OP)
i'm in love with britain dalton and jack champion

>>213369073
do you remember the first movie
>we have to recruit this scientist's brother because even though we're not even sure what he'll be doing his avatar is too damn expensive to waste
and the sequel reframes this
>even though we have the tech to do so let's not back up this scientist's memories even though he's already got an avatar
>btw we can create a fully independent sapient avatars with no need for a pilot but let's not use that
>also avatars can interbreed with native navi but let's not use that either
>let's back up a bunch of replaceable goons, but not our most valued scientists
>let's also create extremely expensive avatars for those goons, not for actual use but just in case they die, but not for any other personnel besides the goons
>and does this tech work for humans too idk why it wouldn't but we won't even try we'll just use it for avatars

>>213368120
It's a sci-fi film it's established already that they can move your consciousness, why is it so hard to think they can't back it up? Elon Musk is literally working on this right now, you're nit-picking.

>>213368506
I didn't really see it as a rehash, there's no kids in the first one or whales, what are you even talking about?

>>213369257
their use of the tech in the first movie implies limits that the sequel violates

>>213369219
>even though we have the tech to do so let's not back up this scientist's memories even though he's already got an avatar

Quaritch was selected under a secret program to have his backed up not everyone has a back up, it's a crazy procedure.

What's funny is I think Jake is a clone of his brother

>>213369284
you're reaching man nothing's implied

imagine being hung up about sci-fi shit that you can't understand it's pretty basic bro

>>213368506
>Rehash of the first film, except now it's in Water Land instead of Forest Land from Super Mario Bros. Now we get to see Blue KINGS butcher White DEVILS in Fire Land.
yea and every second was fucking glorious

>>213369290
>not everyone has a back up
yeah that's the problem, everyone should
if everyone did then the first movie's plot wouldn't even happen they'd just bring back that guy's brother

>>213369219
Fair point. It all relies on what >>213369290 said, it's secret military tech and basta.

>>213366606 (OP)
loak shouldve threw a nut shot

>>213369333
even assuming the military invented this tech or somehow suppressed it there's no reason for them to continue suppressing it
i guess you could just say
>military officials are dumb there's no excuse for their actions
and that might not be too far removed from reality but idk doesn't feel legit to me

>>213368047
The movie was just way too fucking long for the story. Humans including avatar Quaritch returned to the planet, that's all you need to know going into Avatar 3

>>213369257
They didn't "upload his consciousness" like the avatar program and later Eywa, alien Quaritch just has memory implants from his dead human self and he's fully aware he's a different person, while Jake the same Jake but permanently in the alien body

>>213369341
He had him by his hair dick, the boy couldn't fight back.

>>213366606 (OP)
The first movie was only "good" because CGI like that was considered new and breathtaking. Avatar is a 70's era paperback sci-fi book you find in the clearance bin turned into a movie. Entertaining, yet forgettable.

>>213369325
>yeah that's the problem, everyone should
Why should everyone, things cost, just like life insurance if you were to follow through with your though pattern it doesn't work. He clearly couldn't even afford spinal surgery because he literally said "they can fix your spine for the right price" in the first film so you think everyone can just jump into a giant machine and upload their memories?

Also how do you know he already hasn't? Maybe Jake will die but his brother did upload and when neytiri reaches earth in the 5th film she will fall in lvoe with his brother because of the resemblance.

The possibilities are endless, maybe open your mind and understand how sci-fi really works

>>213366606 (OP)
First one was inoffensively forgettable the second a scene was over. Second one was offensively bland to the point where you wanted it to be over.

>>213369803
Was an incredible adventure though, YOU might have seen this type of story a hundred times, YOU might be aquainted with this type of thing, but there's a whole generation or 2 under you that hasn't and is growing up with it, it's their Star Wars and it's actually magnificent in scope? He's already talking about animate series to expand the lore and things and how they got to Pandora, the first expedition, what was it like etc, this is incredible world building and people just brushing it off really shows they're closed minded to have new things

>>213366606 (OP)
I'm not a faggot, so I didn't watch it.

>>213371162
I disagree was refreshing in meaning of that word, every film coming out is horrendously bland, at least this has sincerity to try and build something new that isnt adapted or a comic, it mostly builds on classic film making

>>213371185
Im not a faggot, so I watched it 4 times.

>>213371176
>it's their Star Wars
Except it has no memorable characters or soundtrack. It has no iconic art either even though the film looks amazing. The weird birds and fishes and the mechs humans use are thoroughly generic. It is a complete memetic failure, hence forgettable.

>>213371185
>>213371236
I'm a faggot and I've watched it 8 times.

>>213371484
And yet every movie makes billions of dollars as huge audiences turn up to see it over and over since they love it. Curious. Almost like you're completely wrong in every way.

>>213366606 (OP)
We watched it till the end for Kiri

>>213371484

Objectively it does have everything you said, but this isn't the 80's anymore, kids don't play with toys, don't dress up to play and don't patiently wait in fervor for the next movie or comic. People in general are no more invested in cultural phenomenons and don't talk about a movie more than a week.

There is something wrong with the CGI in every single establishing shot.
Like it looks good/basically photoreal in the close ups and mediums but the wide shots look like actual ps3 games.
I can't quite pin what the issue is either.

>>213371484
Bro you're lost of you don't think James Horner's score is incredible. There's several themes throughout both films that are exceptional for example the death of Home Tree which is played in both films and used here in this trailer as a main theme.

Is jake as a father not protecting his family a memorable character? What about Lo'ak the kid who makes friends with the Tulk'un

How about the main hottie Neytiri?

Grace? Quaritch? These are some of the easiest ones to remember os you're either being an echo chamber guy that just copies what youtubers like Nerdrotic tell you and can't think for yourself.

No iconic art? It's literally old school Roger Dean fantasy novel and sci-fi art come to life.

The weird birds are called Ikran and they actually everything on the planet are hexapods by design which means 6 limbs, mostly evolved from the planets size and ecology, there's a literal science behind everything, Cameron created this with a lot of thought. YOU can say you don't like it that's fine, but don't dismiss the amount of effort put into it.

I disagree that it's a memetic failure (nice use of memetic btw not sure if you were doing that to signify what Arnold Says to John connor in Terminator 2 about the T-1000 being memetic poly alloy or just coincidence), either way you're saying it's a failure but haven't actually said why?

I'll even play on hard mode take the box office away we wont even talk about that but as a fantasy sci-fi film it has done what not even Star Wars could do through 4-5 films after the original Avatar came out, why is that?

>>213371742
No, it looks fine and amazing. Only morons like you think it should be paused and analyzed frame by frame with a magnifying glass on a tiny screen to be worthwhile.

>>213371742
It never looked like that in imax 3eeDee, you missed out.

>>213371742
These are promotional stills and are actually IMAX images so they may look slightly odd but when in motion look pretty much flawless, you can't take a single shot and try and make a judgement on these things

I honestly don't remember any of it except the breath training and the son dying. What a nothing movie. This shit was actual hypnotism for the masses. Next one will make 2 billy hypnotizing people

>>213371834
I'm not pausing to look at every frame. This is shit that took me out of it when I was watching it in theaters.

>>213371870
Those are shots I just pulled from a 4k rip of the bluray

>>213371742
Where are they travelling to with their Maglev trains?

>>213371484

your take seems more reactionary than reasoned

>no memorable characters
Jake Sully, Neytiri, and Colonel Quaritch are all recognizably tied to the film in pop culture. they’re not deep Shakespearean archetypes, but they’re memorable evidenced by people still referencing them over a decade later

>no soundtrack
James Horner’s score was nominated for both Golden Globe and Grammy awards. It’s not as iconic as Star Wars, but 'I See You' and the tribal leitmotifs are absolutely part of the film’s identity. A billion-dollar box office doesn’t happen without a compelling emotional core and music carries that a lot of todays films dont even have it

>no iconic art
the floating Hallelujah Mountains???? just because you didn’t internalize the visuals doesn’t mean the art direction isn’t iconic it just means you might not recognize iconography unless it’s sold on merch

>Generic mechs and animals
AMP suits? banshees? and direhorses???

>Memetic failure
you're hundred percent trolling now Avatar’s box office record stood for a decade. Disney built an entire theme park land around it. Countless memes exist about "becoming Na’vi," "unobtanium," (which is a real scientific term coined in the 50's) and even just “blue people.” You can dislike the movie, but claiming it made no memetic impact is just historically false.

You’re mistaking personal indifference for cultural irrelevance. They’re not the same and the data doesn’t support your claim!

>>213371784
I was using memetic as in its original usage defined by Dawkins. As for your points, to clarify, I don't think Avatar is a bad film with a bad soundtrack and bad characters. But that it doesn't have the equivalent of a Darth Vader, Death Star and Imperial March. Otherwise I enjoyed both films and will watch the third.

the scene with the capsizing ship and flooding compartments was pretty crazy tho
it's like everything Cameron learned on titanic turned up to 11

>>213371895
whats the issue? looks better than most slop out today

>>213372001
It's just bad compared to other parts of the movie. It's like they outsourced the wides to some company that has no idea what they're doing.

It's like that one shot in Titanic that has really bad, obviously fake CGI people on the ship and the rest of the movie looks incredible. It takes you out of it.

>>213372087
ok but gernally I dont see it and it didn't pull me out the film, I was still engaged for the rest of it

you do realise you have to suspend your disbelief in these types of films right

>>213372125
It's not a suspend your disbelief issue. It's a
>this looks lower quality than everything else

If you don't agree that they look worse than the rest of the movie then I'm not going to convince you of anything.

>>213371956
They make tiny baseless defamations then never respond to effortful, thoughtout reply debunking them. They'll just parrot the same npc talking points next time

>>213372175
I'm gonna barge in here on the side of the CGI looks bad take. I liked the first one but one rewatch the second one feels like a Disney film.
>I thought you were the intelligent species here
https://youtu.be/BmwFstc4oWM?si=LWvrGkcPHpO-qsX1&t=112

>>213372260
That shot is probably one of the only shots that has very little CGI. They did film quite a bit of live action stuff apparently and a scene that is mostly a boat with some real actors on it would make sense to do practically. The backgrounds are probably CG tho.

>>213372366
>That shot is probably one of the only shots that has very little CGI.
The boat? Dude the whole thing is practically CGI

>>213371645
did you find navi Quaritch hot?

>>213366606 (OP)
It's a good movie but the strength and power of Avatar is James Cameron's ability to create a "realistic" alien world that feels like you're visiting when you watch. That's why it has no "cultural impact" ie my coworkers don't have avatar Funko pops and there's no Avater cartoon for me to watch.

>>213372401
I'm not so sure anon

>>213366606 (OP)
Dull and kitschy

>>213372429
I think it looks fake because they used a really matte material for the boat metal.

>>213372429
Right, I was more commenting on the cheesy shot of them holding onto the boat

>>213371176
A lot more happened in Avatar 1 than Avatar 2, but 2 is longer than 1 for some reason

>>213372501
Because it was about exploring the world, getting to know the characters, getting immersed, rather than moving as fast as possible from thing to thing to thing so dorks like you could say a bunch of shit happened but you don't remember it

>>213372501
A lot of 2 is dedicated to just living on Pandora which I think was a response to the amount of people obsessed with the world following the first movie. I don't know if those people still existed by the time Avatar 2 came out which is why a lot of people felt it was padded AF.

>>213372501
Avatar 2 had the onerous task of restarting the plot when 1 had a pretty conclusive end, while also setting up the next movie. I think Cameron struck a good balance and now he gets to really go wild with the 3rd movie and onward

Varang a cute

Quaritch will cuck the RDA and become king of Bridgehead

When is /avtr/ coming back?

>>213366606 (OP)
It was boring and slow until the whales showed up, than it became loud and confusing.

>>213366606 (OP)
It had no business being 3 hours long
Bringing back the bad guy from the first one and trying to give him an arc with being a Navi and the son felt tacked in and the worst part of the movie
The leader of the sea people was a chad through and through
I felt bad for the calf of the whale
Im tired of cartoonish evil villains
The rest was decent, the visual spectacle and tech imagining was as good as the first one.
I CAN wait for the next one(s)
They arent that big deal

>>213373853
Me on the right

>>213366606 (OP)
Zero cultural impact

Avatar movies are very long tech demo reels.

Avatar 1 looked much more visually distinct, impressive, “epic”. I don’t know what happened with Anatap 2. Did they try to make the lighting more “realistic” at the cost of filmic gravitas? Something about it just seems less visually captivating, though there certainly are good shots. Also Jakesully looks way better in 1 vs 2

>>213366606 (OP)
its legit kino

>>213366606 (OP)
Avatar 2 was kino because my cute wife Kiri was one of the main characters of that film.

>>213373853
True, Varang is a cute.

>>213376127
It is more realistic. It's literally the state of the art, best graphics in cinema ever produced. It doesn't matter though, dorks on the internet will still call it terrible and a cartoon since they have to seethe about everything.

>>213376127
Nah.
I watched Avatar 1 again right after 2 and I was blown away by how much worse it looks. Nearly everything in Avatar 2 just looks real.

>>213376337
>Nearly everything in Avatar 2 just looks real
yeah it uses global illumination, Avatar 1 did not

AV1 is like a babies toy comparatively

>>213376127
I agree with you desu.
It feels like professionals drought in Hollywood and ILM and Weta took a toll on even Cameron's production.
While individual pieces like facial Mo-cap made a significant leap between the first and second movies, overall visuals feel less worked on.

>>213376127
>>213376394
I'm like 90% sure it is just you guys having a preference for jungles instead of the ocean.

>>213376188
based

>>213376394
Top had less issues with the lighting. They really kept it more shadowed and that boosted the visuals.
While TWOT and new one has the same design choice to lit everything on sunlight, and this underlined some rough sides of CGI, and made it look more cartoony.
I personally not a fan of it but can see Jim making that choice to attract the kids who never even seen Avatar 1.
I heard gen alpha does actually kinda like Avatar on tiktok.

>>213366606 (OP)
>leaked pages of script are getting randomly posted on tumblr and twitter

the fuck

So is Jake just going to be fighting Quaritch forever?

Loved the first Avatar. The second one was a major step down for me. The technical aspects were amazing and far surpassed the first one, but everything else was much worse imo. I was very disappointed coming out of the theater. I still consider myself an Avatar fan and am hyped for Fire and Ash but my enthusiasm is somewhat damped and not even close to what it was before The Way of Water came out.

>>213376547
Their stories are forever intertwined. Avatar 5 will have the two of them back on Earth in a fistfight against a backdrop of a destroyed Statue of Liberty

>>213366606 (OP)
Avatar 2 gave me faith in James Cameron. I thought he was a retard for years endorsing bad Terminator movies etc but Avatar 2 made me feel like I was in an adventure he made me like the kid characters Spider is a cool dude and the 2 blue prime teen pussy characters are super cute almost worthy of waifuing.

>>213376636
kino.

>>213366606 (OP)
So is he the guy from Small Soldiers because my brain processes his character 1:1 as the Small Soldiers villain

>>213376636
I actually do wonder if some na'vi will end up getting sent to earth

>>213375938
can't rally be a tech demo then can it, demos are 10 minutes or less

dude literally released 2 movies that no one else can even come close to technically, explain that

>>213376959
I will be extremely disappointed if Avatar 4 or 5 aren't set primarily on Earth.

>>213376547
yep they get put back into human bodies and it ends with jake waking up next to his brothers furnace

I'm the rare person that prefers it over the first

>>213376959
There are probably some avatars on eart already since they grow them in test tubes

>>213368279
No PS4/PS5 game looks like that. Not even close.

>>213376581
Any rational explanation for the twin cockpits? Why not merge them? It only degrades the field of vision.

>>213377144
me too

>>213366606 (OP)
>What do you think of this movie?
i think of tuk

>>213377201
looks cool what more explanation do you need

if you want to go deeper it's basically a giant drone and can hover on the spot so it's not flying linear all the time and the pilot can carry on while a secondary pilot can look for and focus potential enemies

>>213377201
A lot of military vehicles have separate control centers for the weapons versus pilots.

>>213377144
You don't have to prefer chapter two of a book to chapter one. It's not some contest between two properties. It's the same story and you don't have to set one on top and one below like an autismo.

>>213376547
I doubt it.
I think with Spider and Varang Quatrich is getting villain to anti-hero or at least anti-villain arc throught 2 to 4.
Also i suspect we are going to lose Jake in this one.
As far as i know, 4th movie will have time skip early on, which is interesting because what does A4 need that beginning part for if the rest of the movie will have grown up Jake's kids and Spider? I can imagine that part to be everyone's time to deal with the consequences of the third one. This means the consequences of the third one would be pretty significant.
4th movie being about Quatrich becoming what Jake was in the previous three makes sense.
Also, given that Worthington got 5 movie contract, i think he will still be the part of the plot.
All of that is just my speculation based on classic tropes, logic and rumors. Did not read the leaks though.

>>213377461
I think they're going to get kidnapped by the RDA and brought back to Earth at the end of the third movie and that'll give reason for a time skip + leave it on a huge cliffhanger.

>>213376581
It's hilarious that Quaritch was calmly sipping coffee, seeing himself as invincible, laughing at the dumb savages using arrows, then like a few minutes later they're one shotting every copter easily with arrows through the windows.

>>213377371
Never in separate cockpits.

>>213377324
>looks cool
I'm satisfied with this explanation.

>>213377501
For some reason arrows just don't work for the first half of the movie.
Whenever I rewatch Avatar I always think it's bizarre that Sully doesn't give the Navi some new strategy to help defeat the RDA.
Just him switching sides is enough to make their tactics and arrows more viable.

>>213377461
It's not a leak, but they've said the Wind Nomads somehow play a much bigger role in the fourth movie. This one is more introduction for them

>>213366606 (OP)
>What do you think of this movie?
It's kino

>>213376581
the thing I noticed about the 2nd one, was that they cranked up the toyetic stuff all the way. literally every thing in every scene feels like it was designed to be sold as a toy.

>>213378305
>Everything in the sequel is too much the same! There's nothing new!
>Everything in the sequel is too different and all these brand new things must be to sell toys!
Can you people make up your minds on your complaints?

Tuk a cute

So we all only watched the whole movie for Kiri, right?

>>213368279

>>213378768

>>213366606 (OP)
It's a big CGI waste.

>>213379012
it looks better than real life on shitty earth

The Avatar series is an event, not a movie.

>>213366606 (OP)
I think I was shitposting on here for the entire duration so I have no idea. Looked boring as fuck.

im gonna see the third one to check out 48 fps

>>213379425
it is awesome in high framerate, the action scenes are so great to watch as you can see everything clearly.

>>213378805
yup

>>213366606 (OP)
Average story, looks amazing in theater or on a high end display. When the third drops they should let you marathon all three in theater

>>213366606 (OP)
Honestly I don't remember much of it but I remember enjoying it

>>213378968
She's 180cm tall btw

>>213376547
They will team up to fight a third faction