How do you respond without sounding mad?

>Intelligence of movie goers

In other words, films are no longer made for high average IQ western audiences and are instead dumbed down so they can be just as easily grasped by Indian slum donkeys.

>uses capeslop as a point of comparison

Nevermind he's retarded

>>213401900 (OP)
We should take away the 3rd world's access to the internet

>>213401900 (OP)
lul wut

>>213401900 (OP)
>It's the consumer's fault if they don't like what's being offered!
Keep thinking like that.

>>213401900 (OP)
Blaming the customer is a sure-fire way of destroying your own career.

>>213401900 (OP)
If people making capeshit are so smart, why can't they manipulate the dumb masses into watching their movies?

ad times when 4chan is just a backbord for twitter and reddit retards

>>213402022
It's really just /tv/ and /pol/

>>213401900 (OP)
>u stupid
Yes this will make people watch your movie.

>>213401900 (OP)
Superman and Fantastic Four is literally the same slop as Jurassic World though...

vagina boob

>>213401994
>>213402015
He's right about that actually. Thanks to globalization, the intended audience for blockbusters now includes impoverished "developing economies" and they are lowering the intellectual barrier to entry. In the 80s and 90s when all the legendary film franchises were made, they were made with the intention of educated English-speaking Europeans being the primary audience so you could have more complicated and intellectually demanding plots and concepts.

Of course the faggot is also a onions so he thinks capeslop represents the pinnacle of media, but his first point is spot on.

>>213402076
80s and 90s films weren't intelligent either. Indians are annoying but the average Westerner isn't a fucking rocket scientist. The image of an over zealous redditor obsessed with Star Wars or Marvel is a balding white guy with a beard.

>>213401900 (OP)
>phenomenally stupid films like Jurassic Slop
>implying the other two capeshit slops aren't precisely as stupid

>>213402117
>fat retard who hasn't seen any of them weighing in with his unbelievably shit opinion

>>213402104
>80s and 90s films weren't intelligent either.

Terminator, Jurassic Park, and Alien blow the fucking doors off any blockbuster released in the past 10 years and those types of movies used to be released yearly as entirely new films.

>>213401900 (OP)
KYS

>>213402042
This but it can't be helped, both boards live by news and leaks and those come from social media nowadays, at best some article, but those are irrelevant.

>>213402149
They're better movies for sure but they're not more intellectually demanding. Blockbusters always aim to satisfy everyone.

>>213401982
What would that achieve, aside from indians making your games run shittier, 3rd worlders contribute very little to the box office

>>213402179
>they're not more intellectually demanding

Yes they are. To fully understand them they are.

>>213402130
Not even worth pirating. Take your slop and shove it.

>>213402203
I'll shove it down your cake hole you obese nigger

>>213402194
>What would that achieve

Are you kidding?

>>213402130
how much capeshit do i need to watch to realize it all sucks?

>>213401900 (OP)
jurassic world rebirth is unironically good though, i'm enjoying the hell out of it

>>213402221
You sound like a depressed /r9k/ fag so you think everything sucks. Opinion? Disregarded.

>>213401900 (OP)
His statement doesn't mak sense. Jurassic Slop, Superslop and Fantastoc Slop are all low brow, low effort slop for retards. While one may be marginally better or worse than the other, all three are ultimately in the retard camp. If intelligence levels were collectively higher, none of those films would make even as much as they managed.

>>213401900 (OP)

>>213402238
I love the smug faggot tone of your post like you're a brain surgeon when you're actually a dumb retard that hasn't seen any of the films but still wants to weigh in with your uninformed take

>>213402238
i'd say "that's the joke" but he's dead serious
capeshit and its consequences has been a disaster on cinema

>>213401900 (OP)
Movies made people stupid on purpose so they'd be superior consumers.

>>213402272
>superhero movies have made it so my art house surreal film about two trannies having butt sex can't get funded

>>213402224
It’s a hodgepodge of scenes from other films in a row with huge plot holes and has no memorable characters

>>213402271
>Movies made people stupid on purpose
I'm not him but if you cant identify low effort quip-slop from a mile away at this point you really shouldn't be posting here. Reddit, people like you, would be better

>>213401900 (OP)
False equivalence. His point is poorly argued and predicated on an ad hominem attack

>>213402234
enjoy your capeshit

>>213402310
>I'm not him
Then butt out? Rude bitch. Your'e not part of this convo

>>213402314
Are you offended?

>>213401900 (OP)
>my capeshit is smarter than your capeshit
lol/rofl

>>213402314
>False equivalence. His point is poorly argued and predicated on an ad hominem attack

>>213402334
It's a discussion board faggot. Anyone can comment on anything and I think it's worth pointing out how much of a fag you are.

>>213402332
Enjoy your fat wops eating sandwiches drama
>NOOOO ITS ACTUALLY FUCKING DEEP BECAUSE TEH FATTEST WOP GETS SAD SOMETIMES

>>213402354
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Make a separate post unaddressed to me and if it's worth my time I'll respond. Otherwise you're being a rude faggot intruding on someone else's conversation

Dinosaurs are more fun than gay superheroes.

>>213401900 (OP)
>go to restaurant
>get served shitty meal
>"IT'S YOUR FAULT THAT YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SERVED!"

>>213402271
I love that you're a faggot post 2012 plebbit migrant unironically defending subhuman jeet-centric shit like fucking children's comic book movies on /tv/.
>Actually watches, likely PAYS FOR, the three above mentioned films and calls others retards
Incredible.

>>213402301
i like the family, i think there's a fun dynamic there. i also like how dumb everything is

>>213401900 (OP)
i would not say a thing. i would sit down and watch these crappy movies, and thats what nobody did (apperantly)

>>213401900 (OP)
He's right.

>>213402397
Not defending them just pointing out youre running your fat mouth without even watching them
>post 2012 plebbit migrant
LMAO youre not proud of posting here for more than a decade are you?

>>213402372
>Otherwise you're being a rude faggot intruding on someone else's conversation
nta but you are a fucking faggot

>>213402271
>yeah it smells and looks like shit, but have you even tasted it?

>>213402443
>movies smell

>>213402356
i skip those parts

>>213402436
>nta but
Cool but not your convnersation is it dipshit? Same advice as before, want my attention then make a post worth my response instead of parasiting off your fellow boardmembers

>everything is dinosaur or superhero movies

I think we have bigger problems right now John

>>213402396
Ok let's use your analogy

>go to restaurant
>indians and other thirdies are all over the floor scraping slop directly into their mouths without question
>sit down expecting to be served a fine meal
>get served slop
>restaurant still makes money because slop is consumed regardless of its quality due to a change in audiences

>>213401900 (OP)
People are dumb. They're getting dumber. It's ridiculous to blame them though. This is the result of underfunded education (and you'll notice that European audiences have much better tastes than burgers and Indians - coincidentally their public schools are to a much higher standard). Fix education and you fix the issue.
The problem is that the person complaining here is whining that capeshit isn't making enough money, completely unaware of the irony that his tastes are fucking garbage.

But yeah, free market. People watch what they want. Fix education or accept it. You can't have it both ways. (And social media/tiktok isn't exactly helping)

>>213402492
>want my attention then make a post worth my response

>>213402515
>This is the result of underfunded education

Alexa, bring up statistics about the Baltimore Public School system

>>213402468
Oh, you have autism. Enjoy your dino mobies and crayons, son.

>>213402076
>implying like americans have good film taste

>>213401900 (OP)
>the writers of Jurassic World are slack-jawed retards
That wasn't mice.

>>213402542
*nice

>>213402430
You think you need to suck nigger dick before you know it makes you a faggot. What more is there to say.

>>213402532

IF ONLY WE COULD ADD ANOTHER $10K PER YEAR FOR EACH NIGGERCHILD MAYBE NOW THEY WOULD GET SMARTER

>>213402130

>>213401900 (OP)
I agree though moviegoers are retarded

>>213402532
I don't get the point you're trying to make?
Are you saying that burgers aren't fucking idiots, it's just black people? The people complaining that F4 deserves more money are mostly white. You think hoards of black people were watching Barbie? Have you actually thought this through at all or do you just want an excuse to complain about black people?
(PROTIP: you're one of the uneducated dumbfucks with awful film taste)

>>213402541
Day 90,949 of seething over America

>>213402607
I'm saying funding a broken system that produces broken results while ignoring contributing factors that may be more to blame isn't a recipe for success. Libtards think moar funding = moar results but that's not how things work. A population of really smart asian kids with caring parents with an underfunded school is gonna wipe the floor with the wealthiest black school district every time. It's never a funding problem, if it was Africa would be literally Wakanda at this point with the trillions the world has poured there to help them out.

Guilting and bullying audiences in to purchasing their slop is not a successful business plan

>>213402515
People aren't dumb, they're actually really smart but in very niche ways. The problem is hyper-specialization. To produce ever greater STEM lords, we sacrificed the previous demands of cultural engagement.
There was a reddit AMA with a NASA team and someone asked about their favorite movies and it was all generic Hollywood sloppa. Intelligence doesn't imply good taste. Good taste needs to be honed through supervision and cultural participation. But it's really easy to go through life avoiding your own culture completely.

>>213402684
I wish people like you would run for public office or own a movie studio. Why is it only on 4chan I find people who also "get it"?

>>213402673
>if it was Africa would be literally Wakanda at this point with the trillions the world has poured there to help them out.
The average African public education system is actually better than the average American public school too. It African schools kids are taught math, physics, biology and multiple languages without any woke shit injected in to it, and standards to pass grades are higher. The problem is most African kids don't go to schools in the first place. In America every kid goes to school but the curriculum is so retarded they actively get dumber when they do.

>>213402673
So yes, you just want an excuse to whine about black people.
This isn't a debate about iq or which race is smartest, as much as you want to postulate over that. This is about film tastes (and art appreciation in general). And the reality is that audiences have "worse" tastes when they're more uneducated. And this can easily be shown by looking at the state of european education versus film tastes versus that of us education, or Indian education or even Chinese education (which is shit outside of private schools, focuses on stem subjects over the arts, encourages cheating and is very cold and impersonal).
But I'm sure you're going to find a way to seethe about black people again in response to this.

>>213402713
That's a nice thing you said. I appreciate it.

>>213401900 (OP)
It's the writers lmao. When I was growing up all the films were original, the stories were unique, the actors were good and it was comfy. Now they put fat black lesbians in everything and have them make gay political statements all the time. It's like they're appealing exclusively to redditors or something because every young person I know doesn't give a fuck about any of this woke shit. Most people aren't even into politics until they get a little older it's weird. If you're a writer and you think the audience is not intelligent enough to understand your shit you're a shitty writer and you should go write a book or something.

>>213402744
What the fuck are you smoking? The entire world consumes the same American slop and when and if a local movie becomes financially successful it's because it's the same retarded slop just in a local language.

>>213402684
>Intelligence doesn't imply good taste
Maybe I explained it badly.
First off, I wouldn't conflate intelligence with education. I wouldn't say that a doctor is smarter than a painter just because a doctor is qualified in doctor shit (anyone who knows doctors on a personal level knows how fucking dumb a lot of them are).
But more than that, when I talk about education, I sort of assumed, stupidly, that it was obvious that a good education isn't just passing exams. A good education is being taught the arts and the sciences, and how to engage with different mediums in a way that's interesting to you. So no, I'm not praising nasa scientists and assuming they have good film tastes.

>>213401900 (OP)
No, capeshit is not highbrow entertainment KEK

>>213401958
Dumb movies have always been made and often they were also highly popular.

It is also true that audiences are at fault for “creativity” and “originality” being basically dead as far as it goes for movies with any meaningful budget.

>>213402502
kek

>>213401900 (OP)
>posting on twitter
>about IQ
its truly embarrassing this diarrhea gets backwashed here

>>213402938
True, we lost another thread about some truly enlightening reflection by the Commander in Chief.

>>213401900 (OP)
How about they release some movies that arent endless sequels and remakes based on things for children? theres like 5 of those a year and most of them are still bad. worst decade for film of all time, easily

>>213403000
BECAUSE THE FUCKING RETARDED AUDIENCES CONSUME THE SLOP REGARDLESS SO WHY WOULD THEY GO THROUGH THE EFFORT AND RISK?

How are you fucking retards not grasping what the studio's incentives are?

>>213402340
No
>>213402351
Redditors are the queens of ad hominem non-arguments, Timmy

>>213403000
There are hundreds of films released each year that aren't sequels or remakes. There are entire acclaimed festivals dedicated just to showing them.
You just don't know or watch any of them because you're a pleb.

>>213403043
nta but I think the issue is with blockbusters specifically. Sure there's a ton of niche projects every year cause film production has gotten quite inexpensive, but blockbusters are representative of society as a whole so should be criticized when they are fucking terrible

>>213402486
>skipping parts of the show that arent just basic level thrills of sex and violence
wow, you sound very cultured. Ive heard people say they watch the sopranos but skip all the dr. melfi scenes and I used to think that was a joke

>>213403043
He means real films, not home movie slop.

>>213403031
>>213403043
look, all I want are good movies and tv shows to still get made. and right now theres very few. I dont care why this is the case I just want it to stop

>>213401900 (OP)
I agree with him.
Look at how that Endgame crap turned out such a huge audience.

>>213401900 (OP)
Why would i go to the movie theater if the same movie is on a streaming platform in two weeks?
Literally don't release them on streaming until at least 6 months later. Like we used to do with DVDs.

>>213403113
Last year winner's of Best Picture was an original movie that definitely wasn't home movie slop.
>inb4 it doesn't count because prostitutes trigger you and what you really want is a specific safe-for-burgers patriotic action film starring mel gibson

>>213403122
Then you have to ban globalization and I'm afraid there's only one man up to the job

>>213403000
They have done that yet you whiny cunts never go see them so they bomb at box office telling studios not to bother make them while Jurassic Slop make so much money that they’re green lighting another trilogy immediately.

>>213403122
>and right now theres very few
There are a lot. You just don't like them because you're a pleb. And you're not alone. Which is why they don't get nearly enough attention as something like Superslop - because the plebs all spend money watching Superslop while complaining that good films don't exist (because they don't enjoy watching good films but they (You) enjoy watching Superslop)

>>213403207
Name 3 examples.

>>213403203
getting the president or the government to mandate film quality is like what china and the soviet union did. thats not the solution. unfortunately our culture just sucks so much now the average person has terrible taste and wants to watch nothing but dogshit.

>>213402149
that's like 3 movies from 3 different decades. Look at the box office for any given year and a lot of the top movies were dumb shit.

>>213403085
i accept your concession

>>213403214
if there are a lot then name them. name 5 good movies that came out this year that arent remakes or sequels

>>213403225
Anora
Killers of the Flower Moon
Anatomy of a Fall

>>213401900 (OP)
Just stop making movies. Nobody asked for them.
Or make something totally bonkers. Something that wasn't done better in the 90's.

>>213403288
killers of the flower moon was terrible. worst scorcese movie in decades

>>213403275
Independence Day is frequently sighted as the turning point where Blockbusters started phoning it is and becoming "turn off your brain" slop, so maybe don't use that one as an example.

Twister, Mission Impossible, The Rock all kicked ass so I really don't get your point

>>213403288
>not blockbusters

Do you see the issue?

>>213403313
cited*
I'm retarded, pardon.

>>213401900 (OP)
>Fantastic Four

The “world’s smartest man” tries to lure the villain with Bugs Bunny antics. That movie was for retards.

>>213403280
The year's only halfway through and good films by and large wait until awards season at the end of the year for release.
Having said that, you can easily look up the Cannes or Venice official selection.
>inb4 whining about how I can't answer the question so I lose where really you want me to list 5 arthouse films so that you can complain that they're all shit even though you haven't heard of any of them or seen any of them
>inb4 "you can't complain that shit tastes like shit unless you eat the shit" - as if that's at all comparable to universally critically acclaimed films like Sentimental Value or It Was Just An Accident

>>213403313
the rock started the michael bay phase of blockbusters that really dumbed down everything. Ive never understood why people think the rock is a good movie

>>213403275
>Twister
>Mission: Impossible
>The Rock
I want to go back bros...

>>213403339
oh, so no movies then? ok gotcha

>>213403326
>Do you see the issue?
That studios won't give blockbuster budgets to arthouse flicks because they won't make as much as capeshit?
You think that's the studio's fault? Killers of the Flower Moon had a capeshit budget for the record.
The actual issue is that you want blockbusters to appeal to you specifically, completely disregarding the fact you're a basic pleb who just wants capeshit but with a different coat of paint.
>>213403312
Case in point; you're a pleb who doesn't like good films.

>>213403342
they made twister 2 last year, the 8th mission impossible just came out, and action movies like the rock still get made. if this is all you want out of cinema then nothing has changed in 30 years.

>>213403288
All three of these are shit though? Boring too.

>>213403382
>The actual issue is that you want blockbusters to appeal to you specifically, completely disregarding the fact you're a basic pleb who just wants capeshit but with a different coat of paint.

I want movies like Terminator 2 and The Mummy to become the norm again. I would not describe those as capeshit.

>>213402057
Superman is an 80 year old established brand with games shows merch etc

JP is a 30 year old franchise with 2 good movies and a fuck ton of mediocrity and a few good toys

>>213403421
>2 good movies
>2

>>213403412
>Terminator 2
A sequel? Avatar 3 is releasing in a few months btw.
>The Mummy
The Fountain of Youth released a few months back. It was pretty mid but you'll enjoy it if you just want films like The Mummy. And if you want them to make more films like that, you have to support the mid films like that.

>>213403288
anora is ok, didnt deserve best picture but whatever. killers of flower moon was painfully long and disappointing. didnt see anatomy of a fall because a french melodrama about somebody falling down doesnt interest me

>>213401900 (OP)
>if shit movie number 1 can crush shit movies number 2 and 3
i'll agree that most people have awful taste but i'm still gonna blame studios and the so called creatives for copy and pasting this shit over and over.

>>213403446
Sorry, I meant to say 5 good films

>>213403339
>awards season will save us
It hasn't saved us for over a decade now. A hollywood studio or one of it's "independent" shingles hasn't released a film better than a 6/10 since 2013. Or at most, you get 1 or MAYBE 2 somewhat better films slip through a year. Mikey Madison's ass doesn't count. Anyone pretending the well hasn't run dry over the last 15 years is deluding themselves.

>>213403225
Horizon
Companion
Megalopolis
Bikeriders
Dungeos and Dragons: Honour Among Thieves
A different Man
Sing Sing
Northman


>in4 they’re shit!
That didn’t stop Jurassic World movies from being successful. The point is original movies are being made and unless it’s horror they’re not making any money outside of handful of exceptions.

>>213403475
You are treading on thin ice, pal

>>213403484
>Megalopolis

>>213403484
This. It's not lack of originality. It's lack of quality. Look at this list of garbage. It doesn't matter if it's based on a book, a children's toy line or sprung fresh from someone's mind, the industry just can't make anything that is both entertaining and good to anything more than very specific niches. Kino competency crisis.

>>213403478
>A hollywood studio or one of it's "independent" shingles hasn't released a film better than a 6/10 since 2013.
This is a dumb lie. Several masterpieces and great films have been released since 2013
>Good Time
>The House that Jack Built
>Arrival
>BlacKkKlansman
>Portrait of a Lady on Fire
>The Childhood of a Leader
>Tetris
>Killers of the Flower Moon
>The Neon Demon
>The Instigators

>inb4 "all shit" or some generic seething about the one or two you actually watched while ignoring the rest

>>213403313
Stupid blockbusters have existed for decades. There was an entire era where shitty disaster movies were made and only handful of them are any good, like Towering Inferno is still fantastic thriller where as something like the Swarm, City on Fire, Avalanche etc. are shit.

>>213403560
No everything from my childhood was great because films back then had SOVL and now they're shit and I don't watch them because I know they're shit.

>>213403585
This but unironically because even the worst movies from back then used practical sets and real special effects.

>>213402221
Based

>>213403551
>The Instigators
That film was really underrated.

>>213403551
even I could come up with a better list then this. if this is what you think the best movies of the last 12 years look like then I weep for the future

>>213403538
>Kino competency crisis.
I don't think it is exactly that. Competent filmmakers still exist and their movies are still shit, not because they are incompetent, but because technology has made them lazy. There is no need to have control over your set, because if there is shit left in frame you can just get a jeet to paint it out in post. Don't like the way that line was delivered? Just fix it in post. Getting blocking and timing correct for a helicopter scene too hard? Get the actor to act at a tennis ball and pay a jeet to cgi the helicopter in frame.

Keep in mind this isn't cheaper than traditional methods, it is just easier, and for the people making films these days shitting one out as easily as possible is preferable to doing the hard work to make a good film.

>>213403606
>why yes I am a literal parody of the generic retard who thinks everything from my childhood was just better while ignoring the extremely large role that nostalgia plays in that, how could you tell?

>>213403412
> I want movies like Terminator 2 and The Mummy to become the norm again.

They’re doing nothing but remakes and sequels, mate. You’re being given what you’re asking already.
>I meant good mov-
That’s not how it works. You can’t guarantee quality. T2 is a more expensive (the budget was over ten times as big as the first one) blockbuster sequel to a popular movie, those type of movies are being made all the time. The Mummy is a reinvented remake of the Boris Karloff movie and turned a horror story into a CGI action adventure blockbuster. That type of thing is more or less also continuously being done with all the reboots and remakes yet you cry bloody murder because the difference between 1999 and now is that with the internet you probably know the original movie and are conditioned to throw tantrums they’re remaking something you have probably watched and think it’s sacrilegious even though you like all kinds of modern remakes where you never even know it was based on an earlier movie

>>213403713
This, movies just keep getting better
Look how hard The Hobbit mogs LOTR

>>213403759
Imagine the kind of schizo who writes something like this sincerely
>Yeah Terminator 2 and The Mummy were slop they make slop all the time still
Kill yourself lol

>>213402042
Have you seen the state of /pw/?

>>213403759
there are of course examples of remakes and sequels being good. but when seemingly 2/3 of all current movies getting released are remakes and sequels it drags the quality of everything down.
>oh, this newest reboot of fantastic 4 is less bad then the reboot from 2015. Hooray?

>CAPESLOP IS BETTER THAN DINOSLOP

>>213403761
>yes I can only think in binary extremes... wait how did you guess that I was american?

at least Nosferatu was good. havent seen a good movie since

>>213403551
>Good Time
6/10
>Lars Von Trier Fetish Film
5/10
>Arrival
5/10
>Blackkklansman
3/10
>Portrait Of A Letterbox Feminist Wank
1/10
>The Childhood Of A Leader
4/10, should have picked Brutalist (Brady will never be a real director)
>Tetris
The tv comedy?
>Killers Of The Flower Moon
I think this might be both the worst film Scorsese has ever made and finally signals the end of his career
>The Neon Demon
5/10
>The Instigators
Did not see

This list refinforces my point.

The reason I said 15 years is because if you go back to 2013, the awards season had like 3-5 really solid films for consideration
>Her
>Inside Llewyn Davis
>12 Years A Meme
>Gravity (even if I didn't like it)
>American Hustle
>Wolf Of Wall Street
>Captain Philips
>Nebraska
And they were decent box office money makers, so they connected with audiences too.

Obviously if you go back further, to like 2007, or further again to 1999, the quality decline becomes sharply, inarguably apparent. The argument that the audience is to blame because they don't show up is hard to guage, because Hollywood has stopped making stuff for them to show up to.

>>213403551
Nta but the movies you listed aren't all released by major studios or their specialty labels
>Good Time
A24 movie, not one of the big studios
>the house that jack built
Not produced or distributed by a Hollywood studio
>Arrival
Made by a major Hollywood studio
>Blackkklansman
Distributed by a major studios
>portrait of a lady on fire
Not produced or distributed by a Hollywood studio
>the childhood of a leader
Not produced or distributed by a Hollywood studio
>tetris
Not produced or distributed by a major Hollywood studio
>killers of the flower moon
Technically co-distributed by a major studio
>The Neon Demon
Technically co-distributed by a major studio
>The instigators
Not produced or distributed by a major Hollywood studio

The ones major studios actually had a hand in are Arrival, Blackkklansman, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Neon Demon.

>>213401900 (OP)
US ticket prices have been jacked up so much they're really not for shelf stockers to go to on the weekend anymore. They sell like half as many tickets for the same gross as 15 years ago. If anything the median IQ of audiences is going up.

>>213401994
He’s not wrong. The only reason they still make capeshit is because people DO still pay to see it. Not all of them have been actualy bombs like Captain Marvel 2, enough people are still seeing them to justify making more and continuing this cinematic universe slop trend. Not enough of these movies are bombing to be able to definitively say that capeshit is dead or DEI is dead, because it’s not like the movies that include the latter elements are making less than 1 million dollars like Cuck did. Look at the Lilo and Stitch remake: that movie was terrible and came right off the heels of Snow White, and people saw it anyway. Snow White being an absolute dumpster fire meant nothing to the masses, they saw it as an isolated incident.
The money is still coming out of the consumer’s pockets, so it is the consumers who should be most held responsible for things staying as they are.

>>213401900 (OP)
The smart audience streams, so give them a movie worth getting together with people and leaving the couch.

>>213403906
>giga pleb trying to talk about films
Not my fault you have shit taste. That you're genuinely listing crap like Inside Llewyn Davis and Gravity as solid films while shitting on Portrait of a Lady on Fire and calling Killers Scorsese's worst film says everything anyone needs to know how dumb you are.

>>213401900 (OP)
IMO major point of this is that people going in to cinema don't know if movie is actually good, all they knowledge is based on trailers and if trailers are good they go to cinema.

I know that they can check reviews but let's be honest why should anyone bother in checking reviews for 2 hour long movie that cost 20$, at this point it is better and faster to check that movie myself than search for review that is similar to my taste.

PS. I do check reviews before going to cinema but only because it is longer trip for me and it cost me more than 20$ (there is no cinema in my city).

>>213403913
>>tetris
>Not produced or distributed by a major Hollywood studio
You don't consider apple to be a major hollywood studio? I guess you want to talk about the "big 5"? But that means that netflix also wouldn't count which is just stupid since they're the largest studio in the world.

>>213403538
>the industry just can't make anything that is both entertaining and good to anything more than very specific niches. Kino competency crisis.

Hogwash. They are still making good stuff, the issue is audiences aren’t interested in watching them so it creates a feedback loop where you can’t get decent budgets or even projects green lighted or studios meddle and demand stupid changes or they don’t know how to sell it so it gets dumped on streaming and barely anyone see it.

Adding to this, for the longest time television began taking over as prestige format so a lot of stuff that once would have been a movie were turned into tv shows instead because longer run time etc. allowed you more freedom and space which was great for creativity. Trouble is that networks are cutting costs at every opportunity so even television is suffering from everything being dumbed down and copying whatever is hot because broadcast television is dying and they can’t make money on tv ad breaks like they used to, and Netflix model doesn’t work for everyone and has also incentivised making things just 6-12 episodes long instead of the old standard 26 episode seasons.

We’re in the midst of a very major systematic change in how entertainment is being produced and they’re cutting costs everywhere because of the constant mergers which kills innovation and competition and they also haven’t figured out what the future is and how it can remain profitable as before. That’s why they’re putting all their money on safe bets ie familiar IPs, sequels and remakes because even though most of them flop there’s always couple that make bank and the hope is that it helps to cover the losses. But as we’ve seen that isn’t working as well as it used to precisely because it’s not a healthy environment long term.

>>213404031
Netflix counts Apple doesnt.

The big studios are Netflix, Disney, Universal, Sony, WB, Paramount and AmazonMGM.

>>213403606
You haven’t watched all the piece of shit movies that were being made when you were a kid. You have rose tinted nostalgia glasses on.

>>213401900 (OP)
i thought all three movies are shit but only the shit tier two superhero movies got glowing reviews which are completely unjustified and hence explain the insane drop off after bad word of mouth got out that reviewers lied about these shit movies

>>213404036
>Adding to this, for the longest time television began taking over as prestige format
but modern tv is even worse then modern film. theres basically nothing on any major network worth watching today

>>213403788
They are slop. Especially the Mummy.

>>213404045
Where are you getting that list?
Google/ai/wikipedia has amazonmgm as a mini-major that's on the same footing as a24.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_film_studios#Mini-majors

>>213401900 (OP)
You know
He's not completely wrong.
But don't show him racial IQ statistics.

>>213404045
Netflix isnt a studio. As in they do not own a studio lot like the big 6 do.

They are working on aquiring one but as of now they arent a studio. A studio requires a physical building to film on.

>>213404073
You joyless blackguard

>>213403981

>>213404036
>They are still making good stuff
They should release it then.

>>213404073
The Mummy is one of best movie for DnD players, honestly whole movie look like one session of DnD you can even tell when people was rolling dice and when they got critical fail or success.

>>213403981
what do you think is Scorsese's worst film out of curiosity? and who actually enjoyed killers of the flower moon? Its always explained on a technical level why it was good but not in an honest, coherent way.

>>213404101
>>213404087
Volume of movies made/distributed per year

>>213404060
Yes, now it is. But for a good decade plus it was producing a lot of good shows. Some of which you never even heard of and were cancelled because not enough people knew they existed.

>>213404107
You can enjoy slop but you’re delusional if you think they’re anything special

>>213403981
Inside Llewyn Davis is one of the best films by two of the best American filmmakers. Killers Of The Flower is a genuinely embarassing release from Scorsese. I don't think calling it his worst is crazy. What else would you say is worse? Boxcar Bertha? The Irishman? His entry in New York Stories?

>>213404227
Nta but Silence has never worked for me

>>213404275
Silence was great.

>>213404173
>what do you think is Scorsese's worst film out of curiosity?
Hugo
>and who actually enjoyed killers of the flower moon?
Kinosseurs

>>213404275
I think that's his best film since Goodfellas, but fair enough. It's a bit religiogay. Not exactly a good one to our forward for appealing to audience interest either.

>>213404227
>Inside Llewyn Davis is one of the worst films by two of the most inconsistent American filmmakers
ftfy

>>213404316
yeah, Hugo. why did he decide to make a random 3D kids movie?

>>213404173
I liked the part in killers of the flowers moon when leo the dumb redneck murdered indians. then he did it again, and again, and again. all with the same dumb, pained look on his face. then 4 hours went by and it ended.

>>213404385
>all with the same dumb, pained look on his face.
Did you just not watch the film and only watch a youtube review? I can't think of any other way you'd genuinely say that

>>213401900 (OP)
>If people stop seeing superhero movies than the audiences have gone retarded
How does someone even reach this level of dependency on superhero movies?

>>213404343
>Coen brothers
>Inconsistent
They had a very short rough patch of like 2 or 3 films. Other than that they were always top tier and have a resume with multiple 10/10's, probably matching any other director across the world, all time.

>>213404412
He's kind of right. Leo employed a 'tard look for most of that film. Which would have been fine if Scorsese had not decided to extend his 'tard side character into a main character for the first two (very long) thirds of the film, for some inexplicable reason.

>>213404346
It was supposed to be a love letter to cinema. I think he also wanted to make something for his kids/grandkids. To be fair, it does have some great moments. The majority is just pretty shit.

>>213404425
Even their so-called terrible films have huge redeeming qualities and upsides.

>>213404425
>rough patch
Do you just not know their filmography at all?

>>213404412
I watched the whole fucking thing. the way its presented it gets tiring very fast. they took what should be an interesting story about the fbi uncovering a criminal conspiracy and made it 3 hours of the dumbest, most poorly written characters ever openly murdering and stealing to the point of being eventually, obviously getting caught. then theres leo's fat wife whos sick in bed half the movie. Its like they took the real life history of this story and made the most tedious, least enjoyable version of that story to be the movie.

>>213404471
I would agree that Leo looks like a simpleton the entire film. But I wouldn't describe it as a constant pained expression. And the killings were very much not portrayed in that way at all. The realisation of his involvement is a very classic slow burn as we, the audience, slowly become more and more aware. It's not a film of Leo just murdering injuns and looking upset about doing it. That's wildly inaccurate and there's way to come away with that impression - unless you watched a youtube retard presenting the film in a dishonest way.

>>213404498
Im guessing he means when they made intolerable cruelty and ladykillers back to back. which are their worst 2 movies by far

>>213404551
So you dislike that a film about a the trauma of native american community intermingled with the manipulation of the white family that married into them wasn't a film about an fbi detective solving the easiest murder case in history?
You really missed the entire fucking point of the film didn't you? They only spent 3 hours, complete with an explicit monologue from Scorsese at the end, on trying to explain it.

>>213404562
>The realisation of his involvement is a very classic slow burn
what the fuck are you talking about? 30 minutes into the movie hes already murdering people for their money? how is that a "slow burn"? Theres never any question of leo's involvement to the audience. the only question is will leo be too stupid to understand that murdering people for oil rights is actually a bad thing to do.

>>213401900 (OP)
the absolute insane irony of a person questioning the IQ of movie goers while simultaneously being flabbergasted that a franchise like Jurassic Park that has always been aimed at older children and teens is still popular with older children and teens who get their parents to take them to see it.

>>213404645
>wasn't a film about an fbi detective solving the easiest murder case in history?
thats what the book its based on is. and thats what the movie was supposed to be, until for some fucking reason leo switched roles at the last minute and they had to change the whole movie around to accommodate him.

>>213404645
if thats all the movie is, It could be 90 minutes. theres nothing added in this version of the story in having it be over 3 hours.

>Implying children's capeshit is high-brow entertainment compared to a dinosaur movie

>>213404726
>until for some fucking reason leo switched roles
Injun pussy

I like how in killers of the flower moon robert deniro is basically live action mr. burns. everyone is so cartoonishly on the nose the movie might as well be a cartoon

>>213404726
>thats what the book its based on is
Then go read the fucking book? Holy fucking pleb. If you were like "oh the writing felt sloppy, I couldn't buy Leo being smart enough to x while also being too dumb to do y" then I might disagree but I'd at least respect your opinion.
When your complaint is that the entire film should've been completely different, I have to wonder if you're literally 12 years old.
>>213404764
It was 3 hours of entertainment. A very carefully crafted story with a lot of moving parts. It absolutely justified its runtime.

>>213401900 (OP)
It simply isn't my job to pay to prove my intelligence, Mr. Roach.

>>213404891
>3 hours of entertainment
that would be Casino, a much better scorcese film

>>213401958
fpbp /thread. He had a great point until he came to the defense of fucking Superman and Fantastic Four as if they aren’t in the same boat as Jurassic Park

>>213404891
Literally nothing can justify a three-hour runtime.

>>213401994
>ughhh eww a Lilo and Stich live action remake? Who the fuck asked for that?!
>makes over a billion dollars
the consumers are absolutely at fault

>>213401900 (OP)
Why would I be mad? It's true. As the world, especially the West, becomes browner and dumber everything gets worse. On top of that we also have social media/constant screen time raping everybody's attention span and dopamine receptors.

>>213401900 (OP)
>importing the third world is not going to lower our average iq
>also everyone is dumb for not making a snap decision to see our movie

>dinos vs man part 273!
>flying sun god alien part 394!
how can you accuse anyone of being dumb for choosing one over the other? They're just entertainment

>>213401900 (OP)
It’s still not that simple though because
>people have always been dumb
>there have always been stupid blockbusters
The difference now is that the good films aren’t being made. Because obviously Superman and FF don’t exactly rise up to the level of the English patient.

>>213405058
I was with you until you said English patient. that forgotten romance oscar bait bullshit shouldnt be the movie you choose to represent a quality film.

>>213401900 (OP)
terrible movie comparison...cringe tweet is cringe

capeSOVL

>>213404928
zoomzoom pls

>>213405214
>c-can you pls stop staring at my child?
>no can-do ma'am, it's for the gram

>>213401900 (OP)
>This stupid film is bad
>Watch these stupid films I like instead

>>213401900 (OP)
Superman is phenomenally stupid film though. The plot is absolute nonsense. I haven't seen F4, and I probably never will, but I presume it's as dumb as Superman. Acting like these movies are intellectually superior to Jurassic World is ridiculous.

>>213404928
>>213405233
It’s wild that lit zoomies can’t sit through a structured 2-3 hour film but will mainline 7 hour live streams about nothing directly into their veins

>>213401900 (OP)
This guy doesnt understand it.
Disney killed movie theaters, there's no point showing anything else than these big blockbuster - seasonal events. Because that's why most people go to see movies, into a theater : its an event. Not only the movie.
We had 'Barbenheimer' as event, and recently the Chicken Jockey. Now everyone is trying to replicate it.

t. screenwriter

>>213401900 (OP)
fuck superhero movies

>>213405214
>be young black boy
>go to watch spiderkino
>some weird soi creature in the front row is turned around staring at me the entire 2 hour runtime with a really creepy smile
>threatens to do the same thing to my sister when we see Captain Marvel
>day ruined

>>213401982
>We should take away the 3rd world's access to the internet
If we included all the fly over states and texas in that it would have a pretty good effect. Very nearly as much as banning india from the internet.

>>213405214
>Joe Cuckold

>>213401900 (OP)
EVERYONE INVOLVED is fucking retarded. The audience is retarded for consuming any goyslop. The studios and everyone involved are fucking retarded. The only winning solution is to not consume.

>>213405214
this has to be bait

>>213401900 (OP)
Look I'm all for blaming consumers. As an insufferable hipster myself, companies almost only respond to the real or perceived consumer demand, and so many things I like have been ruined in order to appeal to the wider audience that I've lost track of it all since the early 2010s.
HOWEVER, all of those movies are dumb blockbusters made for the lowest common denominator. I don't see any substance in trying to rank them because zero of them have actual artistic merit as films.

>>213405214
Good societies punish this behavior.

>>213405506
I love when Americans play pretend like there's some difference between each other.

>>213401900 (OP)
>VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET

>>213401900 (OP)
And where does Naked Gun come in?

>Some people won't want to hear this

>>213406906
Normgroids say this to prepare you for their tepid common sense observation from 20 years ago.

>>213401900 (OP)
His sentiment is correct, but it’s applied incorrectly. Obviously modern capeshit is itself dumbed down garbage. But his notion that it’s not the fault of studios is completely wrong. They’re doing this on purpose and don’t want to make good movies, because good movies don’t usually have the broadest appeal.

>>213401900 (OP)
>duh dumb movie beat other dumb movies, people dumb me smart!

>>213405214
One of the all time funniest tweets. He's a comedian and retards are still falling for it

We're under a retard president again. It's a celebration of illiteracy. Face it. You're all fucking stupid.

>>213406013
It's not bait. It's a literal joke made to laugh at. Your autism is too strong. You don't even recognize it staring you in the face.

>>213406335
the state of texas is bigger than your entire irrelevant country

>>213405214
What exactly causes this phenomenon?

All three performed similarly in the US. JW did gangbusters overseas. They yearn for their booba white goddess.

>>213407274
Gotta fit the zionists and mexicans somewhere.

>>213401900 (OP)
I actually disagree.
Jurassic world was actually cynically designed by lots of focus groups.
It's not a 'dumb' movie, a lot of thought and effort went in to it. It's carefully curated to be a family friendly, feel good, theme park movie.

You absolutely know what you get with Jurassic world, and you're not left disappointed if that's what you wanted.

Fantastic 4 on the other hand, is actual CGI slop. People need to understand that audiences are extremely put off by CGI slop. And they don't even do all the cool fantastic 4 stuff!!

>>213401900 (OP)
You do not feed honey to those who will not take it.

>>213401900 (OP)
He's 100% right. How do Jurassic World movies keep making so much money when they're just getting worse? Are people really that desperate for dinosaur action?

>>213402515
>European audiences have much better tastes
Lol no. Euros are fucking retarded.

>>213408739
Indians, and maybe the chinese. but yeah, its crazy theres 4 Jurassic world movies now

>>213408940
>>213408739
At the very least Rebirth is better than the previous 2
Maybe a push with the 1st one

>>213401982
SPBP

>>213407809
keep coping

>>213401900 (OP)
>STUPID film like [action adventure franchise entry] can crush films like [superhero franchise movie #1] and [superhero franchise movie #2]

>>213408940
>there is four

>>213409749
Yes, this is the fourth one.

>>213409771
>doesn't know the difference between plural and singular
post haircut

>>213410034
>being autistic about grammar on a taiwanese animated porn website

>>213401900 (OP)
Capeshitters are absolutely seething at Jurassic World Rebirth winning the summer. Biggest profit and lowest budget too.

>>213410142
>knowing her difference between "is" and "are" is "autistic"
post haircut

>>213407194
Yeah had me going until the second post

>>213407248
he has one of those commie flowers in his name

He's right, but this is just a symptom of a more general disease (the cancerous proliferation of nonwhites globally). Is it that big of a surprise that the basest of lowbrow slop does well when a supermajority of the global population is retarded brown diarrhea?

Sitewide ban on twitter screenshot threads.

>>213410390

The scale of this isn't even known on here. Literally 30% of the GLOBAL population was white in 1950. It's now 7%.

>>213401958
fpbp

>>213402042
And /v/.
You could clean up 4chan substainally if you banned everyone who had tried to post while also having cookies to twitter or reddit.
Or even just start a thread with a screenshot from there.

>>213401900 (OP)
Weak part of the argument is using Superman and FF, but the Jurassic World sequels SHOULD have killed the franchise.

>people like <absolute shit> rather than <absolute garbage> because they're so stoopid
ah yes brilliant analysis

>>213410765
>>213410765
>>213410765
This.

>>213410765
fuck, that would be amazing.

>>213410142
>knowing the difference between "is" and "are" is "autistic"
post hair

>>213410034
>>213411308
What's this post hair bullshit? Some new meme I've missed?

>>213401900 (OP)
This is the exact same thing happening in western video games. I am NOT interested in entertainment tailored to the sensibilities of american critics centered in LA & NY.

>>213412106
He said without sounding mad

>>213401900 (OP)
Okay so from what he wrote it sounds like the answer is to dumb down all movies?
Idk wtf he's trying to say also using cape slop is the worst fucken example he coulda used

>>213401900 (OP)
is the implication here that superman and fantastic four are somehow more intelligent, or otherwise better movies than jurasic world rebirth?
because "audiences" measured in the millions are stupid as shit. plus you have to account for women, children, and foreigners
but all three of those moves were awful

>>213401900 (OP)
Imagine saying this publicly where everyone can just see it.
Calling this retard a midwit would vastly overstate his intelligence.

>>213401900 (OP)
Maybe you should have released superman before that hunk of shit came out and before the holiday weekend where everyone spends their money during a recession

>>213403421
>Superman is an 80 year old established brand with games shows merch etc
Is that supposed to mean something to anyone who isn't a corporate retard? You think that it should automatically print money because it has a history, you soulless fucking ghoul.

>>213401900 (OP)
>did we make a shitty product nobody wants that combined with Hollywood accounting means on paper we never profit?
>REEEEEEEEEEEE ITS YOUR FAULT YOU FUCKING PLEBS WTF MAN WE WORKED HARD ON THIS GOYSLO- CINEMA.AND YOU DONT EVEN CARE FUCK YOU INGRATES YOU FUCKINGNIGGERURJRJERJFJRRJDJFJFJJFJREIJD
Lmao. Fuck you kikes.

>>213412559
>without sounding mad
there is no conceivable measurement for my anger and If I ever see ryan mccafrey I will physically beat that faggot to death with my bare hands

>>213401900 (OP)
Capeshit fans are literally the dumbest people in this world.

>>213401900 (OP)
He's not wrong, but all 3 examples are slop that aren't made for the intelligent.

>>213401900 (OP)
>crushing
It made 768 milli with a budget more or less the same as Superman and F4, that's good but not exactly "crushing" worthy. Meanwhile the previous JW movie made 1 billi and was even more shit.
Just stop crying while defending the honor of fictional characters and cope with the fact that capeshit is over while dinos are evergreen.

>>213402221
>bought all those movies
>pretends to be smart
what a fag

>>213410202
thats entirely padding and pushup having seen her pre preggo nudes from in the skin