What the FUCK happened here?

He realized generic AI slop is superior to the trash he created

He never said any of that shit

>>213468171
he did though

>>213466990 (OP)
Is that real?
That's not real.
Is it real?

>>213466990 (OP)
He understands that generative AI is only as shit as whoever's using it because he was always something of a sensible guy.

>>213468592

>>213468171
He literally said all of that shit.
Reminder that AI doesn't even steal art. By design it transforms other works, and that falls squarely under fair use.

Lynch was always about manifesting the idea and never letting an idea get lost or forgotten, so this seems totally in character.

>>213470315
facts

>>213470454
It's just common sense.
You can kill a man with a pencil, so you're also gonna get pearlclutching faggots calling pencils deadly weapons.
They used to say cameras stole your soul so you'd hire painters instead. Xenophobic faggots never change because they hate anything that affects the status quo.

Lynch was an actually creative person who told it like it is.
This is in contrast to the millions of liberal women who create mediocre drawings and use that as an excuse to call themselves 'artists' and talk endlessly about AI being devastating because it produces better art than them.

>>213470597
Probably my favorite thing about generative AI is that the only job it actually replaces is "porn artist." Frankly, those degenerates need to put fries in my bag.
Any work of art that is meant do to anything more than make my dick hard is gonna be appreciated for its human technique, and therefore AI doesn't threaten it at all.
Meanwhile porn drawings isn't even remotely art. It's meant to illicit physical responses and make people masturbate. AI's much better at doing that.

>>213470665
>porn artists are degenerates
>masturbates to cartoons

>>213470814
Are you arguing that porn artists aren't degenerates?

>>213466990 (OP)
>visionary filmmaker is way ahead of his time and sees that it's the tool and how it is used that makes all the difference and knows how AI can be another tool in the kit of art making
Of course Lynch being as smart as he was knew this.

i was clearing out some of my youtube subscriptions and unsubbed to David Lynch theatre just earlier today
rip Davey I will miss the number videos

>>213470836
I'm saying you're in the concentration camp begging to be let out because you're not as jewish as the other jews. You're the politician banning gay marriage who spends his weekends on his knees at the gloryhole.

Have some sympathy for the people who selflessly made you cum for the last 20 years, retard.

>>213470930
He gets off on being a closet case and engaging in moral outrage of his secret fetishes. Sad! But also many such cases.

>>213470930
What the fuck are you talking about?
All I'm saying is that porn artists are the only ones being threatened by AI because their work only inspires physical responses, and AI can do that.
Nobody who watches porn gives a shit about the craftsmanship of porn. They just want to jerk off to it.
Art, real art, on the other hand has appeal because of its craftsmanship. AI can aid in that if an artist uses it as a part of its media, but it can never actually appreciate it because art by its very nature is human expression.
Thing is that doesn't apply to porn. There's a reason why I can post this, for example. There's a clear cut difference between art and porn.

>>213468171
You can't prove that he didn't

>>213471000
>but it can never actually appreciate it
It can never actually replace it*

>>213470665
Pic rel is better art than the majority of visual artists will ever make. If anything AI struggles more with making realistic human stuff than making ethereal looking dreamy images.

Although with that said I think AI was a lot better when it was worse. Not just for images but for writing too, when it would come out with unpredictable strange stuff it was more interesting, now everything has this glossy unreal sheen to it with all the weirdness being diminished.

>>213471000
>art by its very nature is human expression.
AI is created by humans and trained on human stuff.

>>213466990 (OP)
He was right, AI will continue to be used, and eventually it will be sophisticated enough that people with artistic skill and talent will start doing interesting things with it. There will always be a ton of slop but there have also always been a ton of shitty artists (the people currently seething about ai).

>>213471000
>clear cut difference between art and porn
Such as?

>>213471081
Thing is it can look better, sure, but I don't just look at a painting purely for what's on the canvas but also to ponder the mind that put the brush on that canvas in the first place. AI is incapable of replicating that, for obvious reasons.
With porn, however, I'm actually trying not to think about the guy painting it because I just want to look at bigass anime tits. If anything knowing that those tits were crafted by a bot instead is even better.
That's my point.

>>213471000
I will dumb it down for you because you don't seem capable of reading.

You're a hypocrite.

You're a degenerate who's been whacking their virgin penis to cartoon porn for seemingly a while but you want the people who entertained you to have nothing and be unable to do what they love? Because it's distasteful?

Sorry but you might be a psychopath, man. Good luck. Enjoy your goon sesh.

>>213471130
And I appreciate that side of it, but I'd think of the medium itself as the artwork there. Whatever it generates is just neat.

>>213471008
this is the mentality of an AI slopper
the burden of proof is on the one making the claims

>>213471136
>I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.
People make fun of this quote a lot, but it's right. A nation (not a country, a nation) share most of their sensibilities and don't need to quibble over semantics. You can discern between art and pornography when you see it. You're asking for a definition not because you're seeking truth, but because you want to win an argument. Jewish behavior.

>>213471145
The argument had nothing to do with me at all, or my tastes. What I jerk off to doesn't invalidate a single thing I've said about how and why porn is made.

>>213471136
Art, by design, makes me curious about its creator. Porn, also by design, doesn't.

>>213471145
Get a job, faggot. Nobody needs to pay you for inflation furshit anymore. You're outdated.

>>213471179
>entirely arbitrary "ill know it if i see it"
>cannot coherently name a single criterion that would distinguish the two
Worthless opinion.

>>213471193
it's okay as someone who jerks their giant penis to cartoons and text smut I largely agree with you and would say the same thing extends to chat bots

>>213471193
>artists should fill my fatass with fries heehee
>i love their work though
>bunch of degenerates
>not like me, I don't deserve to have my livelihood and passions destroyed because of my solosexual misadventures

>>213466990 (OP)
the reactionary shit against AI is as cringe as the people claiming it'll replace artists.

It will be a good tool for artists in the future.

>>213471282
>artists should fill my fatass with fries heehee
You're a pornographer, not an artist, and yes you should.
>I love their work though
Not really. I switched to AI very quickly.
>bunch of degenerates
Yes they are
>not like me
When did I ever say I wasn't a degenerate? I'm just saying I'm not your customer.

>>213471285
It's a good tool for artists right now.

>>213471311
>fuck them theyre degenerate scum
>yeah im degenerate but i dont need repercussions only other people

>>213471311
>You're a pornographer, not an artist, and yes you should.
based

>>213466990 (OP)
He was a tech forward guy. Go look at what he had to say about digital vs film in around 2004. Called film a dinosaur. Didn't fact check these statements but wouldn't be surprised if that's what he actually said. RIP King.

>>213471355
>i dont need repercussions only other people
For my porn addiction? All I need is a prompt, friend. I sure as shit don't need to pay fags like you.

>>213471336
it isn't specifically because of this reactionary response against it. But yes, theoretically it is but it will be even more so in the future, it's not gonna kill art, it'll just help it.

It'll make a shitton of art more soulless though, but good artists will know how to use it the correct way.

>>213467109
and less lolrandumb

>>213468171
>>213468521
remember when that retard praised digital over film only having to recant years later because obvious inferiority is obvious

>>213471386
I'm not a porn artist. Just shocked at the blatant double standards you exhibit.

>>213471390
>it isn't specifically because of this reactionary response against it.
Frankly the world needs to not give a shit about fags like that. I guarantee you there are real artists right now using AI and not giving fuck number one about failed twitter pornographers.

>>213468626
did he also realize that everyone in the 21st century is shit and therefore this is a de facto useless technology for creative endeavours

>>213471412
>I'm not a porn artist
Obviously not; there's no such thing.
You're either an artist or a pornographer. If you have the skill of an artist, but only make porn, then you're wasting valuable time and effort. Thankfully it's no longer a profitable venture so you won't have to make that mistake.

>>213470930
>Have some sympathy for the people who selflessly made you cum for the last 20 years, retard.
I might if they hadn't paywalled themselves off ten years ago, and by extension if they were upset about anything other than their finances getting hit

>>213471311
>Not really
>NO THE YEARS OF CUMMING MY NUTS OFF TO CARTOON PORN BEFORE THE ERA OF AI DOESN'T COUNT
>NO, AI STEALING ART FOR TRAINING DOESN'T COUNT.
>IM NOT A PSYCHOPATH I JUST DESERVE MORE THAN YOU

>>213471396
...we use digital instead of film now. That's normal and he was right. The Hateful 8 being shot on film was a gimmick and that's an old movie now.

>>213471139
That's true.

Right now I think the big step up would be better ai chatbots tbqh. Even the 'best' ones atm are fairly glitchy and unrealistic that I've tried. Like with image generation it seems ai chatting is stuck in this hyperrealistic unreal area right now.

>>213471416
>everyone in the 21st century is shit
Come on, not even you believe that. As general as generalizations come. If everyone in the 21st century were shit then no medium of any kind is useful for creative endeavors.

>>213470597
i have seen the return. it is AI slop by a mediocre liberal woman tier in quality
you can now cope and seethe

>>213470814
yeah? and?

>>213471448
>NO THE YEARS OF CUMMING MY NUTS OFF TO CARTOON PORN BEFORE THE ERA OF AI DOESN'T COUNT
Here's the thing, you increasingly angry faggot, I don't think about porn "artists" at all, nor does anyone else. That isn't the function of porn. I know it's a sad truth, but it's one you need to come to terms with fast.
>NO, AI STEALING ART FOR TRAINING DOESN'T COUNT.
AI isn't stealing art for training any more than any other human artist would. In fact, generations are by their nature purely transformative. This has never been a valid argument.
>IM NOT A PSYCHOPATH I JUST DESERVE MORE THAN YOU
I never said a single word of any of this. You're just putting words in my mouth now because you're angry and frustrated.

>>213471446
ALL the artists paywalled??? That's nuts. That must have been a coordinated thing. That's insane solidarity for all porn artists to paywall all at once.

Frankly all artists should work for free. If you're a concept artist or a storyboard artist, you shouldn't even get paid for that in the first place. Let alone complain about being laid off and living on the street overnight because everyone got pajeetpilled.

>>213471516
>Frankly, those degenerates need to put fries in my bag.

please just admit you have brainworms, degenerate. Goon to some AI generated ponut and clear your mind.

>>213471521
>Frankly all artists should work for free.
Most artists do. AI never changed that.
Again, porn is NOT art, no matter how hard you've deluded yourself into thinking it is.
It's created purely to make dicks hard. It isn't thought provoking. It isn't emotionally stimulating. It's intended purely to make your dick hard so you can jerk it off.

>>213471552
Please get a real job before you go out and force normal people to pay taxes for your foodstamps.

>>213471336
it's a good tool for indians to shit up the board you mean

>>213471576
Believe it or not I don't go to 4chan for artistic appreciation.

He imagined what he could do with it, in good hands it could be useful. Too bad it's going to be used by soulless studios to make slop.

I guess he was an optimist.

>>213471602
>Too bad it's going to be used by soulless studios to make slop.
So are cameras. So are pencils and word processors.
Plebs are also smart enough to use tools; it's how it's always been. Doesn't mean the tools or the media themselves are bad.

>>213471572
Actually I make patreon money from degenerate simps like you. I'm good. See you at the drivethrough wagie. Your pajeet porn can't stop me.

>>213471597
>the birthplace of great OC
>idgaf lol XD le 4chan is poopy
I hear reddit is more your speed, my very obvious newfag friend.

>>213471627
Enjoy it while it lasts.
As the tech grows and gets even more free and easy it'll dry up quick.
Really consider getting a real job before then.

>>213466990 (OP)
Eraserhead sucks

>>213471641
>the birthplace of great OC
4chan hasn't made great OC in years, retard. The reason reddit is even more dead than ever is because the well they stole from dried up.
Actual artists don't waste time here other than to pirate books and lesson videos when they're just starting.

>>213471597
we used to have standards here

>>213467109
This.

>>213471704
>we

>>213471249
What about a long shot of an erect penis spurting cum onto a pair of tits? I have a hard time imaging an example of that that I wouldn't consider pornography.

>>213471622
Yeah I guess I agree to an extent.

>>213466990 (OP)
Hatred for jews and their control over means of mass culture

>>213471736
The only people who would call that art are the kinds of people who want to call shit-on-board art.

>>213471736
But you could make art of that. Just because art has something sexual in it doesn't disqualify it as art. Just look at Giger for example. He has a ton of fucked up and highly sexualized art, but it's still art. Just because someone can jerk off to something doesn't make it porn.

>>213471849
>But you could make art of that. Just because art has something sexual in it doesn't disqualify it as art.
Art with some porn can still be art, sure, but porn by itself is just that.

>>213471929
There is art that is literally just people fucking going as far back as ancient Greece. If it was made today you'd be decrying it as porn.

>>213472008
I'm decrying it as gay porn right now.
Just because it was made a long time ago doesn't magically turn it into art. It's not fuckin wine.

>>213472008
Yes, anon, that's porn. Note how there's no meaning of any kind other than "people fucking".
Porn's been around a long time. Or is prostitution suddenly performance art after a few hundred years have passed?

>>213472043
>its not only porn but its gay porn
>its a man and a woman
You don't even know what gay is, much less porn vs art.

>>213472125
Do you exclusively save nintendo shit?

>>213471465
If a real human had created these works you'd say different and we both know it.

>>213472008
>If it was made today you'd be decrying it as porn.
It was considered porn back then. Porn isn't a recent invention.

>>213472149
Not an argument. And look at all this pornographic nature. Better kill it lest someone jerk off to it.

>>213471456
Funnily enough character AI is probably my favorite. Sure it'll try to cut off when it gets lewd, but it has this funny delayed reaction and you can just keep the conversation going as long as you'd like. Free voice models also sweetens the deal for me there.

>>213472250
>bringing up pareidolia out of nowhere
You're a fucking idiot.

>>213466990 (OP)
high IQs embrace change
troglodytes oppose change

then again AI should be limited to creative types
if you give it to the unwashed masses, Ghibli-slop and myriads of porn is the end result

>>213472250
Nobody said a single thing about banning porn in this entire, dumbass. That's also a shit example because it's just perverts seeing sex organs in mundane objects. Nothing about those images are intentional pornography or art of any kind.
The whole point is that porn isn't art, therefore AI can easily replace it, and it's already happening.
Art, real art, however, is irreplacable because there's more to it than just the visual medium. It runs deeper than porn.

>>213472283
>i le know it if i le see it
It's as valid as your already piss poor standard for what is porn or isn't. Basically if it involves sex or makes your little pp get hard suddenly you get insecure and has no artistic merit and is just smut for smut's sake. So one can say that those are pornographic. They look like tits, ass, and cocks. They're even reproductive structures. Flowers are essentially plant genitals. Better scour all life off the planet to spare your trad puritanical values.

>>213472357
Tell me you're a failed porn "artist" without telling me you're a failed porn "artist"
Porn by itself will NEVER be art. Nobody's saying art can't have sexual shit in it, but if sex is all it has it is not art and will NEVER be art.
You're as likely to be a real woman as porn is to be real art.

>>213466990 (OP)
this faggot was is and always will be a hack
he's a total quack, into some new age scientology cultist crap and his films reflect his spiritual poseurity. A con artist with a hairdo, nothing more.

>>213472306
>Ghibli-slop and myriads of porn is the end result
Real art, as it always does, will stand out above the slop.

>>213472412
I can tell you have an IQ around 80.

>>213466990 (OP)
I think he was just astonished at what he saw not really thinking of all the ramifications. Getting carried away by cool tech is everyones problem it makes him more relatable to me.

>>213472406
It's not about my artistic talent or not. You have no distinguishing feature between porn or art. Just whatever makes you blush and feel insecure is "porn". Just because some fag can wax poetic over a statue of Venus as "representing peak femininity and blah blah" I can say porn does the same. It's an expression of an aspect of human nature. Whether it be primal and carnal or loving and gentle. Two people engaged in the reproductive act and yadda yadda. You can slap pseud shit and meaning on fucking anything.

>>213472515
>Just whatever makes you blush and feel insecure is "porn".
Not at all. All of your "arguments" have been emotional assumptions and attacks on the people who are saying things you don't want to read. You've had no valid argument of any kind this entire conversation.
About average for a failed pornographer.

>>213472586
>has no refutation
>not a single criterion for what separates the two
>ur being le emotional

>>213472656
Refutation for what, your fallacies? No, anon I'm going to ignore those. There are plenty of posts ITT that explain the difference between art and porn, but since you're going to ignore those yourself, then I guess you'll just have to look elsewhere for this argument. It hasn't gone your way, but maybe some thread on reddit will take your side. Maybe one of em will even buy your "art"

>>213472730
I haven't made a fallacy. The only post that talked about the difference between porn and art was some guy quoting a dude who also said he didn't know how and couldn't do it and copped out with "i just know it if i see it". That's not an argument.

>>213471460
>Come on, not even you believe that.
it's an exaggeration but only a slight one. the only thing this century had going for itself was tv shows. music and movies, with very few exceptions, has gone down the drain

>>213471704
yes but they were very low

>>213471249
There's simply no need for such granular distinctions in societies of likeminded people. This is why jews prefer to engineer multicultural societies where they can thrive in the faultlines between different cultures' sensibilities, like you're doing. Like-minded people can look at the mona lisa and and brazzers and understand the differences. They can do the same with less extreme examples, as well. Your demands for strict definitions are useless outside of illuminating how hopelessly fragmented our societies have become.

>>213466990 (OP)
david is right, as per usual
all luddites will be abandoned to the sands of time

>>213470901
Did anyone ever solve that? I was holding out hope it was a code and not random. I imagined a good method for selecting the ball he wanted would be to leave the next ball in the sequence in the refrigerator the day before. You can see he’s fishing around in that jar a bit.

>>213468949
>that falls squarely under fair use
As does using AI generated content, created using a competitor tool, to create an A.I. tool of your own. Every A.I. company has TOS prohibiting this use case.
Rules for thee, but not for me. Everything about a liberal capitalist society makes sense until you start paying attention to the gigantic exceptions and carve outs made for jewish owned companies and Israel.

>>213470665
Too narrow but you're on the right track, the same rules apply to consumerism, "satisfying" Instagram video, "experiences". Just like porn, there is no artistic value required, only stimulation.
This is the real use case of gen AI: it's a stimulant for humans. Chat with it to flesh out your ideas, notice what it got right and wrong, revise your prompt and your perception of the problem or concept you're attempting to communicate.
>>213471081
This is not a work of art, it's a stock image of rocky ground with a stock image of a swampland pasted over the top quarter, with a green filter applied. There is nothing coherent or valuable about image, it looks worse than those steel posters you can order online with 10% off if you use the code...

>>213471372
my favorite lynch anecdote is him describing his introduction to photoshop as a euphoric experience. the guy loved tech not just because it provided him with new tools to experiment with, but also because it made his workload way faster.

this is how all the top niggas in the art game are working now btw. they gen smth and then clean it up.
i dont hate artists, i still comm sometimes despite genning stuff myself LOL, but i aint got sympathy for dudes who would rather cry like a chick and sink into the sea

>>213474430
>but i aint got sympathy for dudes who would rather cry like a chick and sink into the sea
A tail as old as time. Innovators define what can be done with tools, midwits flood the medium to make handmade slop, and then cry when something comes along to replace them, while innovators are already utilizing it to see what it's capable of.

>>213470930
>Have some sympathy for the people who selflessly made you cum for the last 20 years
It's because of them that I'm a shut-incel.

>>213466990 (OP)
Daily reminder he seethed about his Dune being a failure until he died choking to death