Kino as fuck

I cant tell if adapting LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WORD from the manga is kino or retarded

>>213486900 (OP)
the shit i remember about this was when the deranged murdering guy dressed up like his twin sister and made his voice sound all cutesy an soft so he could seduce a literal child (im not bullshitting the kid was blushing and shit)

Dr. Tenma is the greatest man who has ever lived

>Die you crossdressing faggot!
Jesus, Urasawa.

>>213486924
most modern anime are pretty accurate to the imanga nowadays aint they?

>>213486900 (OP)
This and Death Note were my shit growing up. I wish there was more like that.

>>213486967
that's not the coffee guy

>>213486900 (OP)
It was but it also honestly could have been condensed to a third of its original length without cutting out any key plot points and it would have been much better

>>213486900 (OP)
Read the manga. This mangaka does not fucking know how to quit while he's ahead

>>213487346
Sounds like Hajime writing SnK. Coke to think of it don't both of these stories have some sort of Nazi plot?

>>213486900 (OP)
Stay on /tv/

>>213486900 (OP)
My favorite anime ever. /a/ is incapable of having any kind of discussion about it though.

>it wasn't me! It was the pyschotic boy!
I liked the anime version the Fugitive

>>213487456
I also like the capeshit version of the Fugitive to round out the trifecta

>>213487492
Forgot image

>>213486924
Its always going to be retarded because of how much gets lost in translation.

''People'' who like this shit are mentally ill.
The characters and plot are incredibly badly written. Johan is a smart person written by an absolute retard.
>y-you're a plotfag!
The style and themes of the show are terrible. It's low test pathetic Japanese pacifism where you should grovel at the feet of people who have wronged you. The entire premise of the show is that the writer doesn't understand why people supported Hitler so he writes a fanfic where Hitler 2.0 has magic powers and people just become his slaves because he rolled a charisma check on them.

Absolute fucking slop. Completely pointless and stupid story. Hitler 2.0 with magic powers and knowledge of everything just decides to shoot himself in the head so he can go to a hospital and poison people while being in a coma, then proceeds to torment the guy who saved his life for no reason, by turning thousands of people into zombie sleeper agents who activate when Tenma gets close to them. Johan puts clues and agents in places 10 years ahead of time just to give a mild spook to Tenma.
Johan has no goals, no personality, no point to anything he does. He just exists to look ''cool'' and ''smart'' but written by a guy whose idea of cool is lame and stupid.
Tenma is a pathetic cuckold who just takes it in the ass. He dedicates his life to taking down Johan, but we all know from episode 1 that he will just cry and drop his gun if he ever meets Johan in person.

Pokemon is a high IQ well written masterpiece compared to Monster. Brock has more depth than Johan. Pikachu has more character than Tenma.

>>213486900 (OP)
How come there's 74 episodes of this series? I've watched a couple episodes and honestly the premise and the plot so far doesn't seem like it need that much episodes.

>>213486900 (OP)
Why haven't they adapted this yet?

>>213487604
The vast majority of episodes are filler.
Tenma goes to meet some guy who maybe can sell him a gun or get him a password. The entire episode is Tenma solving the problems of the random guy. Or Tenma goes to a random house and discovers Johan predicted 10 years ago that Tenma would pick this random house and left a message behind a painting for him and then woah the mailman is actually a slave to Johan and he is now attacking Tenma and Tenma has to run away.
It's this shit for 90% of the episodes.

>>213487701
I'm watching right now. I started out thinking it was excellent but now I'm at around ep 60 and it's feeling like a slog. Moment to moment it's really engaging but the show has retread too many plot beats for me to forgive. I think it would've been a lot more interesting too if Johan followed through on his plans with Karl and Schuwald and we didn't get the big switcheroo. It would've raised the stakes of the whole show significantly if we see Johan being a real political force or even taking over the German state via his connections and influence. The library scene was kind though.

>I'LL TAKE A WURSTSEMMEL... AND EAT IT!

>>213487058
kek

>>213487282
you'd lose immaculate vibes though

Kino as fuck character

Monster is not deep, it’s not edgy, and it’s not good. It’s a poorly paced self-wankfest designed to appeal to imbeciles who don’t realize every single episode is the same exact thing. In short, it sucks. Monster is not some obscure fucking show you just found out about and need to share with the world. It’s the most overhyped piece of misery to come across my vision and every “intellectual” cunt-tard throws it out like it defines them as a thinking being.

Here’s why you think it’s good: you watched one episode, noted everything was covered in black and grey, and thought its edgy camera angles were the cat’s meow. Then you dropped it and said you completed it. Exactly like you did with Texhnolyze. Don’t fuck with me. I’m onto you by now. And you use this well to your advantage. That’s why you can throw it out as a recommendation, because no one’s ever gonna watch the show and realize you’re fucking wrong. See also:

>Legend of Galactic Heroes
>Slam Dunk
>Prince of Tennis
>Hajime no Ippo
>Touch
>Space Runaway Ideon

“There’s no way anyone would watch this series all the way through and still be sane enough to criticize it. Following that, anybody who did watch some of the show and ended up dropping it can be criticized for not ‘watching the best part’. And because these shows are old, I can play the ‘new anime sucks’ card. Brilliant!”

why is there someone spamming copypastas to no one?

Mk ultra and psychic driving seem to be what they were practicing in kinderheim. The documentary titled the minds of men goes into the genesis of this Cia program. Remember, johan did everything based on his ration skills to the point that he may as well be a Jojo villian.

>>213488686
When the fuck does this guy show up? I watched 38 episodes of this shit

>>213488709
I have Nostalgia for slam dunk intro and credit songs since they played them on tv a Tecate as a teen. Logh is on the backlog.

>>213488780
He is the agent Smith of monster, lurking in the background.
If you look at screen time he has it is a little over an hour for the entire series but he gets built up by the characters and your own imagination.

>>213487843
I dropped the anime for the same reasons. Ended up just reading the manga years later to finish it quickly. I liked it too, but it drags so much and there's so much filler. Way too boring.

You can watch the first three episodes and the last three episodes and you will have missed nothing of consequence in-between.

>>213486900 (OP)
the best episode is the filler one with the italian mafioso guy

Why did Johan wake up?

>>213488709
I know you're baiting but LoGH, Hajime no Ippo and Slam Dunk are enjoyable long shows
Monster is just psychological horror. The main antagonist Johan is compelling to men who like geniuses and women who like psychopaths and true crime. Tenma is a tragic hero, who is being punished for doing the right thing and it's a very German anime, about east and West Germany, the far right, neo Nazis, Turkish Immigrants. It's got a different flavour

>>213488709
Okay but LOGH is actually kino fuck you

>>213488902
This. A kid gets shot, and a doctor (Tenma) saves him from dying. A while later, the kid shoots someone in front of Tenma and Tenma gets all emo, thinking “what’s the value in saving a life if the person I save kills people?” So he decides to go on a journey to meet the kid and find out the answer to this moral dilemma of his. …for 76 fucking episodes.

And that’s it. No, really, that’s the entirety of the 76-episode plot. And don’t even get me started on the ending. Here’s the answer to Tenma’s moral dilemma: “Yes.” “Yes, there is value in saving a life regardless of how many people that saved person kills.” And he illustrates that by saving the jerkoff’s life again. Then he walks away, cue credits.

Were you hoping for more? Nope. That’s it. That’s the end of the show. It took 76 episodes for them to reset the entire plot back to episode one. I like to think this was Urasawa’s way of telling his fans to hang themselves with their turtlenecks, and I just wish more of them had respected his wishes.

>>213486900 (OP)
Yawnster

>>213489206
If you read Pluto it's going to seem really familiar
20th century boys doesn't quite follow the same formula but there's a lot of similar beats
He's telling the same story in different ways in different times.

>>213487552
You're unfortunately completely right. You're not even exaggerating about Pokemon, the extended opening of the first movie of that is written on a completely different level entirely and makes Monster look like a Sunday school edu-mation in comparison.

Urasawa is basically a litmus test for pseuds. The only reason people rate Monster so highly as an anime is because it's (surprisingly) one of the few things in the medium that pulls off the "mature and realistic" vibe it has, and this pulls people in who otherwise aren't good judges of quality. The ending credits and the mood they give off are honestly probably like half the reason which people feel it's 'deep'. It's immensely inferior to shows for elementary school girls like Sailor Moon, which has much superior writing talent behind it.

>>213486900 (OP)
Meandering soap-opera slop that's so full of holes that there's almost nothing left

Early HBO type shi. Only anime I can tolerate.

>>213488936
We're they have dinner in the backyard?

>>213487604
They just drag everything out as much as possible, and have filler episodes that just go out on pointless tangents

>>213486900 (OP)
>>213486924
Problem is you could cut good 75% of the episodes, but it's the JOURNEY itself that actually matters more than getting the blonde fucker.

>>213489910
But it's a good watch. Germany/Austria setting makes it even more KINO.

>>213489850
You're right. True kino lovers prefer Mushishi.

>>213489921
I like Mindhunter-like guy. Tenmas friend who cheated in Medical exam.

>>213486900 (OP)
kids today have no idea what a truly detestable character is

>>213487552
brainlet kek

K I N O

>>213489850
No he's full of shit and you're just hating because u did not understand any meaning or parralels to real life literature or philosophy. If you don't get Johan's character, its motive and psychology behind all of anime, including kinoest characters like Lunge, Grimmer, etc you're a brainlet.

And no, it is much deeper and meaningful than le Pokemon lmao

>>213489066
Johan is a 'genius' the same way that 'them apples'-guy is a genius, but even more poorly wrtten. He just knows everything at all times, and it's extremely silly that he can mind-break people using just his powers of fact and logic

>>213487058
>>213488686
>>213489921
>>213489993
what the fuck happened to anime character designs? every single one of these looks unique and not like a same face shape with accessories like you see today.

My problem with Monster is how it pretends to showcase a complex moral situation, but every single antagonist is pretty 2D in their cartoonishly evil motives. Of course, Tenma is going to look like a paragon of virtue next to his poorly flat opponents. There’s just no depth to his opposition.


For the record, LotGH suffers from this same problem, as was pointed out by grumpy Jii-San. But at least that show was entertaining, as the main cast sufficiently carried the show.

>>213489850
The ending credits is kino and I won't hear another word otherwise.

>>213490096
>Anime should be 100% realistic!!
Johans "super power" is manipulation and planning. It's much better watch than fireballs and superheroes doing dumb shit over and over. The anime works because it's more of a show than anime, since naime generally sucks ass and is made for children or pedos.

>>213490151
>It's much better watch than fireballs and superheroes doing dumb shit over and over. The
NU-UH

>>213490143
>There’s just no depth to his opposition.
You watched the series on tiktok retard?

>>213489921
The mnemonic device inspector uses with the invisible typewriter was great characterization. The anime Jean Val jean.

>>213489952
No, it's quite awful. The story is terrible, the writing is bad.

>>213490164
You're a manchild and can't grasp a serious anime, for once.

>>213490151
The problem is that THIS specific anime presents itself as being realistic. Then we get mind-control powers and premonition explained as "he's just THAT smart". Terrible.

>>213490073
Mewtwo was blowing my childhood mind with his monologues.

>>213488709

About him being a monster. He is a realistic portration of a psychopath (as far as anime goes) and I think the point was that we don't get to know if people are born as mosters or are they made monsters by life and other people.

And yes, we don't know if he was born a monster of maid one by life, but one moment that could have made him create his ideology was when his mother gave his sister away.

>>213490151
>The anime works because it's more of a show than anime
there's not enough material like that. at least not enough adaptations.

>>213487552
i hate when stories actually have really great concepts that then get delivered in a very subpar way. hitler may not have had as much sway if not for the weimar shit, but he could very well have been ushered in at the right place and time, as a pawn for much longer term strategies (any significant political figure would have to receive shady backing of a more powerful faction, whether to serve wittingly, or to make compromises).
the mkultra shit and nature of psychopathy is very interesting, deep and sad. the idea that a surgeon is forced into a dilemma on whether or not they should take the life of someone they gave new life to is also captivating in the same way as the fore mentioned.
the painter guy, wolfgang, and the inspector finding a shred of humanity in themselves not to fall completely in the black: also profound.
the picture book is a top notch chefs kiss idea, which makes the rest of it even more disappointing.
the protagonist is a bit of a wuss, but based on my experience with STEM autismos who never had to think too deeply of things outside their super specialised fields, it actually makes a lot of sense.
i only watched the show, and the pacing was dogshit. a lot of the dialogue is cringe inducing but it is a chinese cartoon after all.
im not a writer, so i wouldnt know how exactly to improve on it, but i'd say that the characters need to be injected with a lot more realism. the plot and procedural workings need more realism and grit, especially when handling the level of complex philosophy it draws from and a very heavy theme.

>>213490229
I see you and raise you, motherfucker. Two can play this retarded game.

>>213490215
?? He WAS that smart, what's your problem lmao
>>213490182
>writing is bad
tell me anime with better writing, dialogues, atmosphere and characters

>>213490215
...it is still much more realistic than any other anime tho? U want realism go read police files

>>213488709
>>Legend of Galactic Heroes
is pure kino, its the first anime i watched

worst anime ever, even more predictable than any kiddie shounen and every 2 episodes a new character gets introduced which doesn't add anything to the story, theres so much stupid filler shit
massive waste of time because it's so bad
>>213487552
kinda accurate

>>213490171
What’s wrong? Did I hurt your little feelings by pointing out your favorite cartoon lacks depth? You could have, if you were able, presented any character that could refute my claim. But that’s not what we see here, do we?

>>213490264
He was written as a retards idea of what a smart person is. He is just written to know everything at all times, and to have logic-based mind control powers. If you cant see why this is awful then I can't help you.

>>213490299
How does it lack depth? Give me arguments. Because I think it has lots of depth, philosophical and otherwise.

>>213490290
Realism doesn't make or break an anime. The realism, or lack thereof, isn't what makes this anime bad. One major part of why it is bad is the nonsensical writing (smart = mind-control powers) and all the meandering filler that leads nowhere.

>>213490304
He's the devil, in a cartoon form. What the fuck is your issue lmao. You can't expect 100% realistic grounded smartie in manga. His manipulative work was enjoyable, even if it's "unrealistic" for you.

>>213490334
There are no supernatural elements to this anime, you are just making excuses for the piss-poor writing

>>213490243
>Hidamari no Ki
literally never heard anyone talk about it. great show with two polar opposite leads.

>>213490073
>And no, it is much deeper and meaningful than le Pokemon lmao
The first Pokemon movie, Japanese director's cut, is absolutely superior to Monster in terms of what it explores philosophically. I don't even care about the Pokemon anime as a whole otherwise, but there is actually more merit and depth to it (and actual humor to boot), while Monster is far more about pushing a 'vibe' of being adult and philosophical than actually doing anything interesting with its themes.

Monster is actually disgusting because it pretends to present moral dilemmas where there aren't really any. Tenma is basically deliberately made to be as faultless and innocent as a character could be, to the point that they show a scene where he cheats on a test to make him seem human and relatable, and the series isntead strings shit along for reasons that barely have anything to do with the actual decisions he makes. How the fuck would anyone know the kid would coincidentally turn out to be a killer, the opera singer people wanted him to save instead is completely tangential to the whole thing.

>>213490151
Average monstertroon
His ''manipulation'' power is that when it's convenient for the plot characters will get a blank look in their face and become literal zombies because Johan brainwashed them off-screen.
His ''planning'' is that things will work in favor of Johan at all times, things that he has zero control over.

This is a tranime where Tenma will pull a gun on Johan and shoot him, but dohoho Johan 20 years ago went undercover as an engineer in an ammunition factory and he sabotaged a bullet on the assembly line knowing that this bullet would would end up under the seat of a used car that 20 years later Tenma would rent and Tenma would find the bullet and it would just happen to be the exact bullet Tenma tries to fire that day.
Or maybe Johan put a pigeon egg in a nest knowing that months from now that pigeon would hatch and grow up and it just happens to fly by and get hit by the bullet as Tenma fires the bullet.

>>213490356
>>213490331
>>213490304
It's narrative symbolism u absolute brainlets. Johan isn;t just a character, he's a symbol. Johan is representing the devil itself. He's "nameless monster" Obluda, (that kids book). His “all-knowing” nature shows how systems create “monsters” who understand human weakness too well, of course, hyperbolised for greater effect. It's a cartoon after all for fucks sakes. This is the same literary device used with characters like Iago (Othello) or Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men). They're not "realistic" they’re forces of ideology or chaos, dumbfucks. Johan is consistent with high-level psychopathy and sociopathic behavior, but in an anime form.
He gathers information through networks of people (like The Baby, neo-Nazis, even children) He plants ideas early, then lets them grow (as seen with Schuwald’s son or the reclusive serial killer)
It isn't bad writing it's meticulous plotting, often revealed in retrospective clues. Urasawa leaves breadcrumbs which u dumb fucks can't pick up because u speed watch the anime.

I just came in here to say that this is the worst piece of shit anime I have ever seen. Name a trope of hack writing and you're sure to find it in there.
Fucking god-awful dogshit, idk how it ever got 80 episodes.

>>213490561
>samefag
kys

>>213490258
>K-on
Do I even need to say any more?

>>213490557
Yes, if you just mentally substitute everything that is bad in this anime for something that is better, then I agree that it could be a passable watch.

>>213488936
The Baby?

>>213490625
What?

>>213490584
lol

>>213490557
What you write is not what happens in the anime. Johan snaps his fingers and then people turn into mind-wiped zombies that do his bidding. Johan has perfect prediction of what will happen in the future. It's silly, and presented in a deeply serious way which makes it even more silly.

>>213490408
You don't even have to talk about the movies. Just the regular Pokemon anime is better written and has more depth than retarded Monster.
Any shit-tier anime is better than Monster. Yu-gi-oh has more complex characters, themes and more consistent world building than Monster.

If a character as terrible as Johan was put into another anime, people would drop it because he is ruining it.
Compare ''genius'' in Yu-gi-oh and Monster
Yu-gi-oh
>uses illegal tactics to get rich
>blackmails people
>uses his wealth to kill small businesses and establish a monopoly
>is like top 5 in a card game
>threatens suicide when he knows he can't win and has to rely on people having empathy
''Genius'' in Monster
>knows literally everything
>has mastery of reality
>can teleport
>can time travel
>can kill people in his sleep/coma
>turns people into his braindead slaves by just existing
>knows every thought you are having, has mapped out every neuron in your brain firing to know your exact thoughts and frame of my mind to perfectly predict your every move and know every single one of your actions to the slightest movement
>has inspected every molecule in every building that exists to know the structural weakness, every hiding spot, has left clues and messages for people who haven't been born yet

>>213490135
Urasawa has unique character designs though

>>213490135
Because White People don't look the same

The plot is just an exscuse to reach those "moments".

>>213490665
why does this show offend you so much? i thought it was OK, an interesting failure at worst. but you seem deeply offended about it, going on about fucking pokemon again. what's your beef?

>>213490662
You never really watched the show I get it. I see

>>213490150
I'm not dissing it, my whole point is that it's good, and the dark storybook vibe it adds carries the rest of the junk that is most of the show.

>>213490802
Ignore that brainlet. He couldn't counter the argument for this whole thread.

>>213490802
Not him, but it wastes your time. People hype it up, and you start watching it. The dark themes and styling makes you think you are watching a mature, clever show. Slowly you start to realize that the show is all style and no substance, the plot-holes start to pile up, and the filler episodes keep coming. When you finish it you realize that you've been tricked into wasting hours of your short life on absolute drivel.

>>213490814
If that makes you feel better, sure.

>>213490802
I am not offended by you being retarded and the tranime being awful. Just saying it how it is. You are the one offended and dilating because I dared to speak the truth.
Capeshit has better writing and characters than Monster.

>>213490898
Yeah, that's the important thing to point out. The problem isn't that it's a bad anime that exists, there are tons that are far worse than it, it's that it's a bad anime that fans mistake to be something way better than it is, so recommending it is doing a disservice to people who want something actually good, but would otherwise have no reason to seek out or stick with it.

It's the kind of thing that should be criticized so that people aren't burned by what it is, because it would otherwise seem deceptively full of potential.

>>213490988
That's the major problem with many terrible shows. A show like The Boys can be easily ignored. Obviously it's bad so why even watch it. But the fans hype it up and you get tricked into watching so, so of course I'll talk shit and tell everyone the truth.
Monster is the tranime equivalent of Euphoria.

>>213491005
>Cope brainlet who didn't get any meaning whatsoever cuz he speedwatches

>>213487552
This board memed me into watching this shit. I'm not weeb but I've seen standard fare like SnK, Code Geass, Berserk, Death Note. Monster fucking sucks compared to those. It's so boring and whiny. It's utterly without charm.

>>213491005
It's probably better anime than your favorite animes combined

>>213491266
Even the dumbest isekai premise is less dumb than Monster.

>>213491322
lmao good bait. Ty for bump tho

>>213487552
Any manga/anime that tries to be "deep" and takes itself too seriously is like this.

>>213491393
the power to make anyone do anything he wants for no reason is a dumber power than the dumbest isekai powers. unironically.

>>213491434
No it's symbolic and works well. You just refuse to get past "le unrealistic manipulations" just becuase the anime feels so un-animelikey. your zoomer brain is fucked and needs re-wiring.

>>213486900 (OP)
I liked it, but it was unnecessarily long.
You could cut out at least 1/3 of the show without losing anything.

>>213491476
You would lose sovl and bunch of cool side-plots.
Also looking at cities of Germany and Austria in anime format feels so cozy and melancholic. I visited Heidelberg three times because of Monster. It's beautiful.

>>213491456
>any type of valid criticism
>I-ITS SYMBOLIC!!
What are his IQ-based mind control powers symbolic of then?

>>213491514
I bet u think No Country For Old Men sucks because it's le unrealsitic kek.
>powers symbolic
I wrote above what Monster, Johan tries to symbolize.

>>213491417
It's never this bad. There are similar cases like Griffith in Berserk who has everything go according to keikaku and he is so smart and knows everything. But it's explained with literal magic. The guy was fated to win all those battles and become a god.
In Monster there is no in-universe explanation for why Johan is able to do anything he does. There is no still no explanation for how Johan investigated Tenma while in a coma and figured out who Tenma's enemies all are and how he poisoned them all, while being in a coma.
I've never seen a bigger hack writer.

>>213491511
That's true, but I think it took more away from the show than it added. Especially considering where the big story climaxes are. It just went on for way too long. I think it detracted from it, a lot in fact.

>>213489993
hate fuck type woman. Would.

>>213491542
>He's the devil!
Thats not a symbol, and he isnt

>>213491550
Griffith is not an example of this, imo. He's just an effective leader and competent planner, but his plans can (and do) go wrong, he's not infallible (unlike Johan). Talking pre-god phase, after he's a god, well, he's a god.

>>213491456
>just becuase the anime feels so un-animelikey
But that's exactly why it attracts so many people who massively overrate it in the first place. It has so much "I'm not like those other anime teehee, I'm totally mature" energy, but handles its themes and scenario like some soapy melodrama and does nothing of significance. It appeals to the worst of the "anime sucks, but this one is totally different and I'm better for preferring it" crowd.

>>213491702
I had the misfortune of watching Monster after having seen Death Note. I found Death Note to be pretty mediocre overall, but it had moments of greatness and an interesting idea/plot, and people online sold Monster as "Death Note but more mature". Fool me once, I guess.

>>213491702
So u hate it because it shits on any childish anime u are into. Got it now.

>>213489993
Bigger problem is so much of anime/manga today runs on entirely intentional archetypes. Hell, back when harems were all the craze you could refer to character by their hair color because they were all carbon copies of particular archetype. Very few are looking for realistic or believable characters in their escapist entertainment, it seems.

Is everyone on this board retarded nowadays? The series is supernatural, Johan is the Anti-Christ and Tenma is Christ.

>>213491875
That's a cope. I know because I used the same cope when I tried watching it.
In the second or third episode I realized Johan was the anti-Christ and I was waiting for the reveal and for Johan to show his powers. When something that makes no sense happened I would justify it by knowing that Johan has magical powers.
Then the real reveal happened that Johan is just a random kid they recruited to be Hitler but he turned out to be super Hitler without needing any training, and then he perfectly manipulated hundreds of people to kill eachother by all of them becoming violent at the same time at the same place and perfectly orchestrated every hit, every stab, so that all of them would cause fatal wounds on eachother leaving not one survivor and no one questioning why there is a kid sitting in a chair none of us are attacking who just watches us all kill eachother.

At that point I realized this is irredeemable slop and there is no reveal coming.

>>213489959
>Mushishi
even back then people were already allergic to episodic shows

>>213491790
I would love to see "Death Note done right".

Something that basically has the same setup, but Light isn't some eccentric sociopath who fucks up in the first episode from being petty and impulsive, but rather someone with real conviction in their beliefs who does progressively worse shit as they dig themselves in deeper and feels real need to justify this to themselves. Essentially it should be like an anime Crime and Punishment.

>>213486900 (OP)
>>213491875
/tv/ oldfag weebs have switched to watching better Asian television.

>>213491941
It's not a cope. You just hate the idea that Johan is so capable and it makes it look so unrealistic. It's not about "realism", but what it tries to symbolize and convey. These are the kind of dumb motherfuckers who enjoy anime, hence they hate Monster, which is much better than any other shounen slop u guys like. The fictional picture book The Nameless Monster reflects Johan’s journey one by one. creature that eats others, searching for identity, when it finally gets a name, it becomes terrified of being known

It is a metaphor for identity loss, trauma, and nihilism, themes also found in works by Dostoevsky (The Double), Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil), and even Camus (The Stranger). You're just illiterate zoomfag who has no taste, and cant grasp any metaphors or meanings

>>213492060
What's the symbolism of 4 year old Johan smuggling in deadly poison into a hospital and somehow assassinating specific targets, all while he is in a coma?

>>213492060
If you have to repeat the mantra "its symbolism" and "its a metaphor" over and over while watching an anime to excuse the dumb shit that happens in it, that doesn't bode well for the quality of said anime. You can have symbolism and metaphores without having extremely contrived scenarios, a meandering plot and nonsensical bullshit.

>>213491941
You're misunderstanding the entire point of Johan and the show. That feeling you had “waiting for the magical reveal” is intentional. Urasawa plays with the audience’s expectations Johan is built up like a devil, but the truth is more terrifying thathe’s human, and humans can become monsters through systems and environment.
>He perfectly manipulated hundreds of people to kill each other...
That’s an exaggeration. The mass suicide at Ruhenheim wasn’t some magical hypnosis trick it was set up over time.
>People were already unstable and armed
>A town already full of paranoia and fear
>Whisper networks and planted rumors
>Guns distributed ahead of time
Have u even watched the show?
If he had "mind control" or "magic powers," that would actually make him less interesting.

>>213492006
based unnie

>>213492190
The truth is NOT more terrifying because hes human, the fact that hes human makes you wonder about why he has magical powers that are never explained.

>>213492190
Explain how he can turn people into drooling meat-puppets that follow his every whim, without him having magical powers. Prime example being the gardener/groundskeeper in the first few episodes.

>>213492148
This is a misread. first off, Johan wasn’t literally in a coma the entire time. The timeline is intentionally fragmented, told through unreliable memories, traumatized perspectives, and myth-like retellings. This scene functions on a surreal, allegorical level, not strict realism. Johan was trained, possibly experimented on, possibly used in underground projects involving psychological conditioning (Kinderheim 511, for example). He had access to knowledge and influence far beyond what a normal child would.
The story never tells us flatly what happened because it’s about ambiguity, memory, and perception. Urasawa wants the audience to feel the monster growing, not just explain it away. But of course you dumb motherfuckers can't feel a thing so u just try to explain every little scene with mathematics, in poetry. Truly disgusting I'm actually having this covnersation.
>>213492188
>0 arguments again

>>213492249
>>213492217
>I don't see how this manipulation could work in real life therefore it MUST BE wrong in an anime.
You guys are retards. Read/Watch more thrillers please.

>>213492272
Suddenly the story is told in a surreal, fragmented way, just so you can excuse the plot-holes. Lmao.

>>213492320
...so stories all should be linear and chewed up so dumb fucks like you can understand? I've been saying animefaggots are retards but THIS. Damn.

>>213492296
Whats shown in the anime goes way, WAY beyond 'manipulation'. You must know this, dont be disingenous.

>>213492190
Try and use your 50 IQ brain and figure out the logistics of speaking to hundreds of people and perfectly manipulating all of them to kill eachother without a single failure and no one attacking you
>mass suicide at Ruhenheim
Just look at the cope you are trying to slip in there. There was no mass suicide. Mass suicide would have made some sense, but these people were attacking eachother.
Johan manipulated every shot, every stab, every hit so everyone at that moment would die leaving no survivors.
The entire thing is completely insane. Johan would have to spend thousands of hours on research on every person involved and somehow find the time to spend hundreds of hours per person to manipulate them, and it all has to go perfectly so no one starts the fight a minute earlier or gets mad at Johan.
Johan had to have perfect knowledge of time and know the exact trajectory of every bullet to make sure there are no survivors. Every person had to kill someone and be killed and the killings happen in the perfect order so that at no point there are survivors who don't have issues with the other survivors.

tl:dr it's fucking retarded

>>213491554
Is the American Sherlock like this?

>>213492332
No, its more the fact that what you are saying just does not apply to this anime. Its not "surreal, dreamlike, fragmented, symbolic, allegorical" etc etc, its just POORLY WRITTEN.

>>213492272
Insane tranny pedophile cope.
Johan literally kills people with poison while he is in a coma.

He keeps talking about 'manipulation' as if it's some kind of magical switch that can be flicked and instantly make anyone do anything you want any time. It's an absurd premise. That's just not how it works, no matter how smart the manipulator is.

>>213492342
>It wouldn't happen in real life therefore it's bad
kys

>>213488709
Watching Galactic Heroes and Hajime no Ippo and they're both kino as fuck and blow modern weeb slop out of the water. Kill yourself.

So why hasn't it been adapted yet if it's so kino?

>>213492459
anon it's a cartoon, with a premise, that Johan CAN in fact manipulate people on his own will. Whether you think that's realistic or not doesn't matter, since it is a cartoon.

What matters is the depth of the show, what it tries to convery, not the fact that whatever Johan does is deemed "unrealistic" or "impossible". Your brain is limited. You motherfuckers have issue that Monster watches like an HBO show but main "villain" is too unrealistic, so you are in conflict with yourselv and can't comprehend that grounded, serious anime can also be symbolic, full of metaphors and hyperboles.

>>213492471
It wouldn't just not happen in real life. This would not happen in any story outside of something written by Linkara.
This is a Linkara-tier story. This is something the Lightbringer would do.
This is what a story written by Chrischan would pull. Sonichu would make this happen to all the trolls who trolled Chrischan.

This shit should not happen in an actual published story that gets adapted into animation.

>>213492539
>Should not happen becuase...ehm it shouldnt ok??
yet it did and was kino. You just have no taste. Go back to shounenslop

>>213492562
Dilate trans pedophile

>>213492581
Stop projecting

>>213489231
GOT HIM

>>213492060
>It is a metaphor for identity loss, trauma, and nihilism
This is just pretentious ass bullshit on your part. Johan isn't symbolic in any actually clever way, it's not simply a matter of being "not realistic", but of it being written in a way where all this shit is clearly an excuse to string along whatever new situation the author came up with, though it fails at exploring anything on a deeper level.

>>213492190
>humans can become monsters through systems and environment
I don't believe that anyone who praises this work genuinely cares about examining this issue through, you're just saying this because it's the deepest sounding theme it alludes to, not because there's honest artistic worth in how it actually portrays this.
Monster is in this realm of presenting shit that seems thoughtful to midwits but which amounts to nothing; it suggests themes, with the aim of impressing people by dealing with them, but does so clumsily, in the manner of a pretentious writer of airport novel slop.

>stokes your childhood nostalgia and memories
>I will now kill for you Johan!
>repeat 999x times

it was still cool during the first watch though

I enjoyed it but my memory of it is largely blank

>>213492688
You can't grasp meaning, nor can you introspect through medium on a deeper level, of course you don't see any symbolics kek.
>don't believe that anyone who praises this work genuinely cares about examining this issue through
Ok, don't believe. I believe because I had discussion about this topic multiple times with my friends, who also though about topics suc has "is evil born or made".
>which amounts to nothing; it suggests themes, with the aim of impressing people by dealing with them, but does so clumsily,...
Chatgpt post.

Diabeetus

>>213492837
>"is evil born or made"
What actual insight do have on this topic? Are you Christian? Do you believe that humans have souls that grant them free will? In which case can evil really be completely manufactured without the choice of the individual to go through with it? What do you think of people who went through MKUltra? What is evil to you? What do you think, say, of soldiers who ransacked medieval villages while under the direct command of kings who saw this as completely pragmatic and normal? What of the research into genetic determinants of personality?

I'm bringing this up because Monster does jack shit to really examine anything like this or get you to richly reflect on it, Johan is a freak who does whatever the author thought would come off as dramatic and mysterious and not a tool to invite deeper understanding.

>>213486900 (OP)
ITT overrated shit

>>213490135
to be fair, a lot of urasawas characters look similar across his works

>>213493146
This thread has gone too far. I wasted a lot of time discussing obvious shit. I ain’t gonna talk sbout the theme as big and complicated as you just wrote. It is interesting topic tho, and i disagree, once again, that Monster doesn’t discuss this stuff deeply. It is reflective, whilst also dramatic and mysterious which sets perfect mood for me

>>213493278
>It is reflective, whilst also dramatic and mysterious which sets perfect mood for me
Lol, this is exactly what I'm saying. It's poorly written, but gives you the 'vibe' of being deep, and that's the same thing as actually exploring a theme deeply to you, because you're a midwit who wants to feel like you'e watching something smart even if you can't discuss these ideas beyond a mitwit level.

I'm fine with you enjoying it as what it is, but it is simple schlock with a mysterious vibe, despite the setting and visuals suggesting that it might be something more sophisticated. Monster is a silly series.

so this is just the greatest anime of all time right? i haven't seen anything better

>>213493531
It's not even as good as Heartcatch Pretty Cure. And I mean that completely sincerely.

>>213493531
The greatest anime of all time is and will forever be boku no pico.

>>213486900 (OP)
Anyone who says this is a pretentious and tasteless moron.

>>213486900 (OP)
I wanted to pin Johan down and fuck his mouth.

>>213493531
It's no "Call me Tonight"

is this show hold the same 'prestige', high status in Japan? because i pride myself in having watching quite a good 90s anime and early 00's anime and once had a huge obsession with voice actors that were very active during that period. (so people who were born in 1960 to 1970)
and i've seen lots of old magazines and their rankings and shit and i dont' think i've seen this show or saw japanese talking about this show in their own anime sites (and trust me i lurked a lot)

>>213493531
It's top 20 anyway.

>>213491511
I wouldn't lose anything if you got rid of Karl and Lotte. They slowed the story down to a boring halt

>>213493531
Toradora is good.

I watched it when it came out and definitely enjoyed some of the side stories and the cozy 90's vibes but the overall plot feels janky once it starts being explained(common theme for 00's TV like Lost and Battlestar Galactica). The villain's ultimate plan was to turn some neighbors in a small town against each other?

Master Keaton > Monster

>>213494651
I believe he target that town because his MKUltra handler lived there under an alias. And to kill everyone who knew him personally (except for Japanese Jesus) or something

>>213487661
Del Taco has the rights and don't let anybody do anything with them as he wanted to make it as an HBO show but then said "oh well fuck it" and make retarded stuff with his new blonde wife's ideas.

>>213494651
The villain's plan was to be a Mary Sue who orbits Tenma for 100 episodes and be a million steps ahead of Tenma. His entire existence centers around being the bad guy in Monster. He has no purpose in existing outside of being the bad guy in Monster. Any and all bad plans he may have had exist only to give a reason for Tenma to pursue him and lead to the final confrontation.
The author didn't actually think about Johan as a character and what he would do if he wasn't stuck in a bad story. The author is a retard.

go back to /a/ tranny

>My first introduction to Edmund Kemper was in Monster
feels good man

>>213494825
This guy was a real jerk!

>>213494143
I must have seen it because it would be impossible to miss, like dragon ball. I just avoided because the title and the lead didn't seem that interesting. Johan is almost never shown.

>>213487552
this is true

>>213487058
>Dokuta Temnaa
>>213488686
I cry everytime.

>>213487552
IMO the story should have been about Grimmer and Johan as two generations of whatever MKUltra project they are framing there.
There is no conflict between Johan and Tenma aside from the moral conundrum of saving the life of a psychopath that goes on to do evil deeds. There is a conga line of side characters in the story that are so much more compelling than the main story it's comical.

i don't understand the rambling of some anons in this thread. Sure the anime is not perfect and takes some shortcuts, but i watched it 20 years ago and at the time it beat the shit of any anime that was available online.
If anything i was sad that the few friends who watched animes back then didn't watch it but gobbled 200+ episodes of naruto or pokemon.
Given i'm not a big anime/manga enthusiast, this is the only anime i have ever watched in its entirety with GTO and Popotan.

>>213495316
>i watched it 20 years ago and at the time it beat the shit of any anime that was available online.
That's the exact point, there was better around, just not as easy to get.

>>213495316
You are an idiot and inferior to your ''friends.'' It's not a high bar but I can say with 100% certainty that Naruto and Pokemon is better written and deeper than fucking Monster.
Monster is pure slop for people who think they are smarter than they actually are. That's not a compliment for Naruto and Pokemon.

>>213495396
Ho yeah i'm sure people are superior to me because they religiously watched pokemon and naruto lmao. Listen to yourself dude, you sound like a terminally online unhinged tranny ffs. Be a little less pathetic (or is it autist?), it's just poorly drawn cartoons in the end, I don't even care about this shit.

>>213495595
Tranny literally seething that his ''friends'' watched better written tranime than the slop he was watching. Literally seething that smarter more successful kids watched Pokemon instead, snubbing his nose at them because Pokemon has silly colorful designs and stupid jokes.
Some fag 20 years later still seething that cool kids watched Naruto instead of badly written boring slop like Monster.

Imagine being such a pretentious faggot over what is essentially the anime version of Benedict Cucumberbitche's Sherlock Holmes.

>>213486900 (OP)
crossdressing faggot lol

All anime and manga is awfully written. Read a good book or watch a good film for once.

>>213486900 (OP)
200 episodes of pure nothing happens boredome like 3 ok episodes

this gets only attention because its old and faggots repeat this without having watched it thinking it will give them some anime cred.

>>213490135
Because unless you're seeking it out yourself, you're probably only seeing the most popular stuff get posted online which is always going to homogenous.

>>213486900 (OP)
How? It's literally nothing happens: the tranime

>>213487511
Musical version

>over 70 episodes to tell a 20 episode story but show small flashbacks over and over unraveling small details to draw out the boring reveal

It was ok but 73 episodes in total? Fucking stupid

speaking of anime how come pic related never got one?

Some story bits were brutal, the kid sent to the red light district was nuts

>>213495316
I watched it like 15 years ago and thought it was boring as shit, I liked the setup and the characters are alright but got pretty far into it (30 something episodes) and dropped it because I was bored.

I thought maybe it was because I was a teen then but recently I tried watching Pluto and tried reading 20th Century boys and thought those were boring as shit too. I think I just don't like the author, he spends so long explaining the most basic shit.

I hated this anime. It could have ended at episode 10 or whatever if the detective wasn't a retard tunnel visioned of Tenma or Tenma wasn't a massive pussy who won't stop Johan from killing people

Can't tell if I'm just a degenerate or if the anime's theme was just dumb as fuck. Muh pacifism beat him by not shooting!!!! 70+ episodes just to blueball. Come on man

>>213486924
if you don't adapt every word then some important points will be lost, retard

>>213486900 (OP)
It's boring

>>213491979
>rather someone with real conviction in their beliefs who does progressively worse shit as they dig themselves in deeper and feels real need to justify this to themselves. Essentially it should be like an anime Crime and Punishment.

That's what happens in the show though. Light goes from killing major criminals to petty thieves to innocent people. Are you saying that he should have felt bad about it?

>>213486900 (OP)
https://youtu.be/wTiq9uyry4Y?feature=shared&t=579

>>213497570
>I tried watching Pluto
Read it, the anime adaptation is shit.

>>213497120
yes this is it's biggest problem, adapting a manga 1 to 1. A manga whose story was not laid out and complete from it's inception but rather started with a premise and theme to fit the economic model of recurring manga publishing serialization hence all the filler and "evolution" of the story.
It does not take reading many books to see why Monster has the pseud reputation it does but in a tighter format those flaws would be more forgiving

>>213495693
>cool kids
every kids who ever watched animes 20 years ago was a loser and you know it. Anime must be so important in your life for you to be this angry, i cannot imagine how to have such a pitiful life.

>>213498049
I'm saying that his main motivation is that he does this because he's bored and not because he has any goal other than to gain power for the sake of amusement. That's fine for a villain, but doesn't make it compelling when he's the protagonist and on top of this is stupid and impulsive enough to kill without consideration from the get go, which narrows things down for L too quickly and results in them playing silly shounen rival mindgames while playing tennis instead of spending more time setting up big plans to foil each other in a global manhunt.

It's less that he should have 'felt bad', and more that he never had moral principles to begin with to test, so you're just watching an utter degenerate psychpath with everything otherwise going for him destroy himself and everyone around him for no good reason. A Light who, at minimum, deluded himself into believing he was acting out of some real idea of virtue could work as a tragic anti-hero, but it's clear he doesn't care that much about the shit he says about improving the world or ever saw killing as even a dilemma to be concerned by in any instance.

Death Note is good, but had plenty of room for improvement.

Is this your post, anon?

>>213487058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NliXqttlDlE

>>213489993
She gets better.

>>213490143
>>213489850
>>213489206
>>213488709
>>213487552
Now this is some weird ass samefagging.

Is there a German dub? Given they're actually meant to be speaking German it would be neat.

I read the manga. The story is way too long and too convoluted. I just remember that at some point the Nazis showed up and the main bad guy started dressing like a girl.
Something about Stasi? Or maybe Czech communists? I read it 15 years ago or so, can't remember shit.

>>213493531
It's the best of what I've seen. I don't pretend to be an expert but I've seen a few dozen series. It eschews a lot of anime tropes for the better, in a lot of ways it might as well be a live action show that's animated.

>>213487552
The show had potential but protagonist and antagonist are boring as fuck.

>>213495206
The final fight should've been between Grimmer and Johan. Let Tenma get raped by Roberto. It would've been cool if Johan also had a "second personality" who fights "The Magnificent Steiner" to the death like Van Helsing vs Dracula. I think the show would've been redeemed if it went full supernatural action anime in the final episode.

>>213499231
Did he even solve anything? They kind of just dropped him from what I remember

>>213499271
Exactly one of those posts is (me).

>>213486900 (OP)
"Why was this animated?": The anime.

>>213499231
Do you see what happens, Kenzo? Do you see what happens?

So in the end, was Johan born as a monster or made to become a monster?

>>213500054
The monsters were you: the viewer.

>>213490702
Okay but Toriyama was the same in Dragonball and almost all his characters are aliens that happen to be Japanese

>>213494651
>The villain's ultimate plan was to turn some neighbors in a small town against each other
Picrel

>>213494790
>The villain's plan was to be a Mary Sue who orbits Tenma for 100 episodes and be a million steps ahead of Tenma
Picrel

>>213487418
Make me you weeb bitch. As soon as this thread dies I'm gonna make the exact same thread on /a/. And guess what? Its gonna hit reply limit there, too. See you there, cunt.

>>213495316
It's bad as a story in itself, not just bad aq an anime. Bet you liked Cowboy Beslop as well.

>>213500054
By simple contrast with Grimmer. He choses to be a monster. His sole response to life is being misanthropic.
Grimmer arguably had it even worse and had a far more damaged psyche than Johan, but despite having ample reason to lash out at the world, he pursues remedies for his inability to feel empathy, instead of giving up being human to begin with.
Meanwhile, Johan has to literally appropriate trauma to larp and justify why he is like this.

>>213500296
Tenma is a doctor who has sworn an oath to do no harm.

>>213499383
It's shock full of anime tropes

>>213500054
>>213500139
>In the final episode of the magnificent Steiner...
>I bet he realized that the real monster was the friends we made along the way.

>>213493492
NTA. What are good anime series in your opinion?

>>213500054
He was born an absurdly capable and intelligent wunderkind but was made into a traumatized manchild by MK ultra and merely thought he was a monster

>>213486900 (OP)
Great now go watch Manben. They're on youtube.

>>213486900 (OP)
I was watching Monster and I got maybe 15-16 episodes in and I just stopped. I agree with what most of the people in this thread are saying against to to be honest. And my favorite anime is Paranoia Agent.

>>213500519
I consider pic related to be the anime with the most total merit overall.

OTOH Soul Eater is my favorite shounen.

>>213500435
Oh, right. The oath. The oath for Kenzo. The oath recited hypoccratically to guide Kenzo. Kenzo's oath... that oath?

Monster is slop, starts off interesting in the first few episodes but then it immediately turns into filler and retarded plot progression that doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be. It's like the author had a bunch of different ideas but couldn't decide what to do with them so everytime something new gets revealed it feels less like it was planned and more that it just keeps adding on to it to extend the show which probably should have been way shorter than 60 episodes.

Psychopass is a much better show with mystery and psychological themes and a more mature vibe. Only season 1 tho, the rest sucks. I'm otherwise not into anime because I can't get interested in watching the 200th show about school girls acting cute and being boring as fuck.

There sure seems to be one guy with a comically self-important grudge against this show in this thread.

>>213500930
>starts off interesting in the first few episodes but then it immediately turns into filler and retarded plot progression that doesn't know what the fuck it wants to be
So Monster is the anime version of The Walking Dead.

>>213500919
>WRONG SHOOTERRRRRRRR

>>213500930
>turns into filler
This doesn't mean anything.

Another
>people say this is a 10/10 even tho really it's a 6-7, thus I have to autistically sperg out as if it's the worst show ever made
Thread

>>213490135
The only anime with a decent art style is ping pong, none of the characters in this thread look good.

>>213501032
We are at least two.

>>213501101
Sure it does. I understand exactly what he means.

>>213501124
I think I have it rated as 3 or 4 on myanimelist. It's not a good show.

>>213501225
>on myanimelist.
I'm sure you have.

>>213500296
Dr. Brenzo Wayne-Ma

Joe Han

>>213500930
Psychopass is the definition of slop though.

>It's like the author had a bunch of different ideas but couldn't decide what to do
Well it might be "like that", but it's not that. It's just your low attention span and the zealous belief that every episode of a show has to forward the main plotline. You think there's something wrong with the show, but it's all perfectly deliberate and you just missed the point.

>>213487552
Did you forget Johan and others got groomed to be hitlers and they all said fuck off and killed their groomers?

It's not about why would people follow Hitler. Literally fucking filtered you dumb retard it's about can a Hitler be crafted and can you overcome your base nature [your monster] . We see this with steiner the smiling no emotion fag.
Not once does Johan want to be Hitler. They wanna make him Hitler and he murders them.
A child is forced into being a monster to save himself and his sister and he takes revenge and joker pills his life. It's literally just that..

>>213500779
You like jerking off to teenagers in cosplays but ur coping that watching sailor fucking moon is some indication of superior taste and intellect. Insane fucking cope. Yeah the 200 million high school girls are all geniuses for watching their version of dbz slop and ur enlightened and not a retard. Sure..

>>213501345
If a Monster live-action adaptation is ever made, this song needs to play in a scene where something badass happens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjlM_RnsVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mjlM_RnsVE

>>213501345
All of the people who want to follow him for being Hitler he kills.
The rich guy and everyone else he charms is under the guise of being someone else. But definitely not Hitler. Johan literally views as the viewer should. He's like this is weird and gay and kills his groomers and basically scoffs at being Considered super Hitler. He has a competition his age the snivelly big nose fuck and he uses and manipulates the fuck out of that clown too. Every Hitler plot is a meme made by boomers that ruined his life and so he wants revenge. Stupid fucks on this board

>>213501124
It becomes more important to hate on something when it otherwise get praised and mistaken for something of higher quality (which you will see on /a/), especially when viewers might keep watching it even if they're bored because they're genuinely expecting real depth to it and assume they don't 'get it' yet.

>>213501331
>It's just your low attention span and the zealous belief that every episode of a show has to forward the main plotline.
The 'filler' is chiefly Sunday school level moralfaggotry though. Tenma gets through shit by being an innocent bitch while others act like humongous assholes and we all learn to be nice. It should be slammed for how childish it is.

>>213500930
First season was fine, I turned that shit off on 2nd, the characters are shit anyways.

>>213501560
He doesn't learn shit and being nice bricks his life. He loses his hospital promotion and job. Cunt gf he leaves after she chooses some other dude over him
He's in trouble with the police but he's a doctor. The most heroic doctor ever written in fact. His niceness gets him in trouble constantly. He should have killed Johan but Johan knew he wouldn't because he never killed anybody and it cost him watching dozens of people be burned alive. That's the question. Is it worth saving a monster. Even if he was groomed to be one and never had a chance. Is it worth saving as a doctor and human being?

>>213501560
Don't try to give some altruistic spin to your autism. Besides, that any 10/10 anime rating should be taken with a grain of salt should go without saying

>>213488709
Even if this is bait I couldn't agree more. It seemed great at the very beginning so I forced myself to finish it but god damn gets old fast. Looking back idk why the fuck i even bothered.

>>213486900 (OP)
I like this anime because part of it is set in Prague and Johan is (half)Czech (I am Czech too) :)

>>213486900 (OP)
It's a good premise and has a few interesting twists but it needed to be a 24 or 35 episode series. It drags way too much and takes way to long to get to the point, and that ruins some of the twists, the welcome home one where Johan took his sister's identity in particular you can guess way before the reveal because of that.

>>213501476
Not everyone who watches it will fully get all the depth it pulls off, but at the same time it's hardly pretentious at all and so a child or schoolgirl can be legitimately enthralled by the things it does that are great, which is part of what I admire about it. You are hardly automatically 'a genius' for liking it, but it's easily better than things that attract pseuds for dubious reasons and definitely deserves more respect than that kind of thing.

I have no qualms at all about admitting that I was partly motivated to continue watching it by some girls I knew from university who cosplayed as the characters.

>>213501683
>Is it worth saving a monster.
Not if we aren't capable of keeping him behind bars.

>Even if he was groomed to be one and never had a chance.
Yes. You don't put innocent lives at risk just because of a tragic villain backstory.

>Is it worth saving as a doctor and human being?
Uhhh, yes? Kek. Just because you kill a guy, it doesn't mean you have to stop helping others. Just whack Johan and forget about it. Besides, the guy was a honorary nigger the moment he burned a library. At that point, killing him becomes the greater good.

the thing i remember most about this is "Killing people is easy if you can forget the taste of sugar"
and that stuck with me for years now

>>213500779
I heard it's pretty good but I'm trying to quit fapping and that anime looks like it will make things even harder.

>>213494651
>The villain's ultimate plan was to turn some neighbors in a small town against each other
for the first half of the story, johan just wants to cause as much destruction as possible. he exercises his power over others, seeing what he's capable of. at this point he believes that he's a superior being and has fun fucking with people. he wants to kill as many people in the world as he can
for the second half, after he realizes his true origins, he wants to completely disappear from the world (this involves killing everyone who ever knew of him) while also showing tenma that the world is an evil place where even the nicest people like him can be driven to kill

>>213501345
Massive tranny cope.
A bit plot point is that Johan didn't get groomed. He was recruited to be groomed into Hitler but he turned out to be so evil he completely destroyed the organization and made them his bitch because he is a Mary Sue and the author is a retard.
Not only are you too retarded to comprehend the insanely badly written story, even if you were correct it wouldn't make the story any better or make up for the terrible writing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYdCd00TJhI

>>213502812
>Mary Sue
You have no idea what this term means. Stop spamming it.

>>213486900 (OP)
Looks boring

Just watch dragon ball Z

>>213502861
Johan is the definition of a Mary Sue and the only possible autistic tranny transgument (tranny argument) you may possibly have is
>DURRR IT'S ACTUALLY GARY STU!!!!
Gary Stu isn't a thing. Kill yourself.

>>213502905
>Johan is the definition of a Mary Sue
No, he isn't. You still have no idea what that term means.

>>213502998
Kill yourself trans freak

>>213502572
>"Killing people is easy if you can forget the taste of sugar"
Luckily for me, Ray... I have Alzheimer's.

>>213486900 (OP)
by far the most boring anime i have ever seen

>feels sad
>but it's a good thing

>>213501276
Is that what DC is now? Sad Keanu and Forest Gump references?

>>213490802
NTA, but it's annoying when an average show is constantly hyped up as 'the greatest', im sure anyone can think of an example or two

>>213504972
>Feeling sad? Here's why that's actually a good thing...

>>213505231
This.

>>213490802
Nta but you can't just hype people up and then not expect them to express their disappointment with the same level of intensity.

>>213486924
>characters in the comic talk to themselves constantly in order to deliver exposition because of the limitations of the medium
>they adapted this as well, instead of showing the audience what's happening they just have a character explain it.

It's bafflingly stupid and makes the entire series unwatchable once you notice it.

>>213486900 (OP)
There's nothing worse than a cartoon that's pretending to be a real story for grown ups, but leaving in all the stupid things from kids cartoons - like having characters talk to themselves constantly in order to tell you what's going on (because you're a stupid 4 year old), and having the story repeat certain things 500 times.

Absolutely god awful show.

Good premise and at first glance, seems like it actually might be a mature and intelligent show. But it's a terrible show for several reasons.
1 It's insulting. Absolutely everything is overtly explained by the characters in stupid expository monologues. Absolutely nothing is left to the imagination, or implied (like a real tv show would do) it's all just told outright, because the creators think you're an idiot and otherwise wouldn't get it
2 It's 3 times longer than it needs to be.
3 The characters don't behave like humans. Probably because it's written by and for people who don't interact with society. Not only do the characters talk to themselves non stop out loud (like even when there's someone else in the room which is utterly insane), they make ridiculously stupid decisions constantly in order to keep the show going

>>213490032
you need to change the shadows to follow the outline of his hair, maybe auto generate a displacement map from the hair and then play with blend modes

reddit pseud trash

>>213486900 (OP)
The same people who like this trash are the people who think that nolan slop is for geniuses.

Why is there one dude very obviously samefagging in this thread?

>>213488709
I agree Monster sucks but Texhnolyze and LotGH are kinos of the highest order

>>213486900 (OP)
good>>213506832
reddit wishes they had this

>>213488709
based

>>213502848

I havent seen this show in many years and im not entirely sure why but watching this OP looks weird for some reason, like its "off" or out of sync.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=t7N43hM925M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2WEZngxDFQ

>>213502812
>>213502812
Yeah but that's another can of worms where his ptsd and brain washing made him invent a narrative he never lived and is it just as real because of it.
Also I always knew what really caused him to be a psycho and it's literally the final question Johan asks lol. His mom gave him up and that's what fucked him up. Everything else he did was his psychotic nihilism and destruction to a society and family that failed him. Filtered lil bro keep yapping tho

>>213487552
>a fanfic where Hitler 2.0 has magic powers and people just become his slaves
that makes it sound cooler than it actually is

>>213500386
>there is zero hentai of this scene

>>213508894
we finally found an exception to rule 34, we did it reddit

>tenma realizes his friend at the hotel is going to get killed
>hijacks a car yells at driver to go to the hotel with a gun to his head
>driver realizes the killer knows where he lives
>they drive to the driver's house
>it's been broken into
>they find a note from the killer reading
>i have captured your friend Tenma meet me at this address
Phew good thing they didn't drive to the hotel or else they wouldn't have found the note that progresshey is that the script there on the floor?

>>213490176
I wish i hadn't been so drunk. I had the exact example from the anime where what you mentioned falls apart and it reveals the character as badly thought out, but i forgot. I used it once on /a/.

>>213500381
Well Cowboy Bebop was merely stylish and not pretentious.
It didn't try to be a thriller, a feelsy slice of life, a mysterybox, a philosophical analysis, a horror story, a political commentary AND a character drama AND a crime investigation AND a period piece AND a dive into criminal minds, all at the same time. Is it any surprise that it didn't succeed at any one of these?

Fun detail: Monster aired in 2004, 3 years after the Fellowship of the Ring. An episode features a Nazgul cry mixed into a dramatic sting during a scene of Grimmer sitting at a cafe and realizing he could be under surveillance.

>>213501186
Am i counted in? Can i be the third?
I got tricked into watching Monster by its reputation, i've crusaded a bit to try and rescue stranger from falling into the same trap. Avoiding disappointments is a way to avoid developing bad outlooks on life.

Monster is in the same area as Death Note. A serious anime that is essentially a detective thriller in which the only way you'll find anything in it compelling is if you're literally just starting out with media as a whole. I can see how people in their late teens, early 20s found Monster to be this amazing work if they've hardly ever watched anything else in their life.

As someone that watched the height of 90s and early 2000s procedurals, thrillers, and mystery shows like X-Files, Twin Peaks, movies like Ichi the Killer, Oldboy, Memories of Murder, etc. Monster is incredibly basic and gets by because its a "serious anime". I gave it 10 episodes before I completely dropped it because I could see every twist and turn coming a mile away, telegraphed harder than being hit on the head with a bat. It poses all these questions that I honestly don't think the show will ever answer in a satisfactory manner, and I've seen enough of these mystery box shows to know that they hardly ever do. I'm not giving 70 episodes of my time to a show that has simplistic dialogue, telegraphed twists, and is carried solely by atmosphere and vibes, praised by people who are easily impressed and never watched any good shows or movies in this genre to begin with. I don't care for the themes, don't care for the mystery.

I can easily see how if this was in my first 20 animes that I watched and it was the 00s, how I'd easily be impressed and led to believe its the greatest shit around and found myself nonstop praising it to everyone like a faggot though.

>>213510694
>>213501186
>>213501032
Well considering you're all one person...

>>213510957
That person's name: Johanon.

>>213510835

>>213510835
Alright. Jokes aside, Monster excells in style over substance. The visuals, the music, the characters, I just see it as a way of experiencing beauty. For me, the experience is similar to appreciating a painting. It's pretty comfy and relaxing to me in that sense. But I think you have to actually enjoy that type of recreation in order to like Monster in the first place. It takes a very specific type of people. A similar thing happens with the Saw movies or the Silent Hill games made by Team Silent.

>>213511043
You know too much, enjoy your death.

>>213510835
Name a better anime

>>213511431
Mononoke. New movie soon for us gaijins.

>>213511292
It's like you manage to hit every buzzword that can be used to excuse any type of media from any criticism whatsoever. You could literally use that to describe any terrible dogshit. Your thoughts are just literal opinions because you can't actually come up with valid reasons as to why the story is actually compelling, why the characters are good, or why the dialogue is actually more than just copy/paste from manga to anime with no thought to actually elevating it to the new format.
>>213511431
Pluto is literally better in every way than Monster and doesn't take 70 episodes to explain its themes. Monster should have never been longer than 26 episodes.

>>213511622
>Pluto is literally better
Mecha fantasy dogshit is better than KINO 90's germanic styled thriller. animefaggots are literal manchildren I swear. Pedo fucks.

>>213511525

>>213511686
Even if it's a thriller that constantly deflates its own tension using the cheapest tricks in the book of thrills, is it still kino then?
>two people are pointing guns at each other
>cut to black
>gunshot
>switch to B plot
This happens like 12 times.
Is it also kino the way it drops plotlines on wetfarts? 10 fucking episodes of Nina hyping the scary door and once it's revealed what was behind, it's inconsequential and she then stops being a character.
One example out of multiple dropped plotlines. Remember how Johan was ready to kill people to capture his sister and then he stopped. And that was never mentioned again. It all hovers near that level of writing, which is superkino for Anonymous.

>>213511622
>why the story is actually compelling
Because of style ov.er substance? 90s east Germany, conspiracies, shady characters dealing with their own demons, and so on. All of those themes are ialready nteresting by themselves to a lot of people. Now exploring those themes through an anime? Sign me in. Sounds pretty fun to me.

>why the characters are good
Again, style over substance. The way they look. And the way they talk, move and interact with each other. That by itself can be charming to some people. At least to me.

>why the dialogue is actually more than just copy/paste
I don't have any problem with that.

>>213512171
yeah but....where is le essay like my 18 samefagged posts whining about this show?