This is the best of movie of the past 30 years. I've seen it 20 times and I still cry. Just beautiful movie

>>213487258 (OP)
Bumping your thread because PTA is the best filmmaker in this country.

>>213487258 (OP)
Its true, and sadly it seems like PTA thinks this too because he has gradually declined since this movie and seems to have given up trying to achieve something on this level ever again.

>>213487258 (OP)
Is very good

>>213487258 (OP)
very good yes

>>213487258 (OP)
Even the fucking trailer is 10/10 kino

>>213487258 (OP)
I was filtered by the ending...

TO THE WINDOW
TO THE WALL

>>213488591
Which part of the ending

>>213487258 (OP)
>This is the best of movie of the past 30 years.
OP can't count. Zodiac was released in 2007.
You might get away with saying something like:
>This is the best of movie of the past 15 years.
But 30? Nope.

>>213488852
Lol. No.

>>213488852
Funny. OP here Zodiac is my second favorite for the 21st century. I watch it at least once or twice a year. The only thing is that it's not an original work. There was already a Zodiac movie before it and of course Memories of Murder (haven't seen). It's just not as deep and personal as The Master.

>>213487258 (OP)
I agree completely.
Anderson has never let me down, and he always writes complex and nuanced characters. As such, I am confident that the trailers for One Battle After Another do not reflect the film itself, but rather the regret of its $150m budget.

>>213488852
>Fincher
Kill yourself retard.

>>213487258 (OP)
You should watch Inherent Vice. Not only better than The Master but one of the best films ever made.

>>213489115
YES!!!
Inherent Vice is PTA's best movie.
Kino AF

>>213489335
>>213489115
It's also great but The Master just has more of those sublime moments

>>213487258 (OP)
Could someone please explain the appeal of the movie? I get that every frame (literally every frame) is a wallpaper, but story-wise, I really didn't think it made any sense or amounted to anything.

>>213489115
>>213489335
Inherent Vice is my favourite film of his, and definitely the most underrated. PTA's films tend to have no plot, and Inherent Vice's "non-plot" fits his style perfectly. As usual, every frame is a wallpaper too, though not to the same extent as The Master and Phantom Thread.

I didn't get it. What was the message? Why did they send him away?

>>213489605
>what was the message
you should just die in the forest and feed a tree, man

>>213489335
>>213489115
>>213489363
>>213489553
Thanks for wasting my time retards. Watched 30 minutes of this shitty film and the voiceovers not only ruined the vibes of the movie but they also ruined the theme. Felt like I was watching a theater performance. Dogshit movie.

>>213489945
It’s a comedy, but aparently the jokes on you.

>>213488308
The trailer with Joaquin getting interviewed is probably my favorite trailer of all time.

>>213487258 (OP)
Boooooriiiiing!

>>213489792
smug cunt

>>213490266
Sorry that guy was mean. Freddie realized Lancaster was a fraud earlier in the movie and then he left on the motorcycle to go back to Doris but when she was married already he went back to Lancaster who gave him the ultimatum to be fully dedicated to the cause or to leave because Peggy didn't want to deal with Freddie's shit

>>213487258 (OP)
I feel like this came out like 5-6 years ago but it was 2012 what the fuck...

>>213490467
Don’t pity him. The movie is layered with lots of contrasting themes and your description does it a disservice. The most mundane superficial reading imaginable.

>>213488852
If only Mark Ruffalo wasn't in this. I was about to rewatch this the other night but I forgot he was in it

>>213490562
I wasn't giving a reading. It's factually what happens in the movie. I wasn't giving any message

>>213490599
In that case, you left out the part where he gets jacked off in the bathroom.

I've never seen Inherent Vice sober and I've watched it at lest 4 times.

>>213490709
I think he understand that part

>>213487258 (OP)
Greatest movie of the 21st century

>>213490909
It was a shitty century...

>>213489980
the teaser one? Yeah same here, legitimately my favorite of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofY6r6xDY_Q

Also, has anyone realised that Arthur Fleck in Joker draws heavily from Freddie in The Master and Doc in Inherent Vice? Apart from all of them being played by Phoenix, of course.

>>213489980
>>213490939
It's interesting that it does not feature Lancaster Dodd. What did you like about the trailer?

>>213487258 (OP)
Agreed it’s better than TWBB

>>213490933
One day you might be lucky enough to realize that The Master is kino of the highest order

>>213488852
Zodiac blows. Sort of like Prisoners or the vibe of Longlegs but nothing happens and hollywood actors do drama acting at each other.

Phoenix's performance was so fucking cringe

>>213487258 (OP)
It used to be one of my favorite movies until Joaquin went and did those disgraceful Joker movies for the money and I can't watch it again because I keep thinking about the goddamn showers scene in that awful sequel.

>>213491240
>What did you like about the trailer?
The mood and mystery it creates, it is edited so well, the music is perfect too. Every shot in it is stunning.
I remember I was 19 when I first saw that trailer and I had barely seen any real movies by that point, I had no like pretentions about my own taste in anything really, just being a complete pleb and yet that immediately sold me on this movie to the point where I rewatched the trailer over and over. It became the first PTA movie I ever watched because of it, I didn't know what to make of it at all, I kind of felt like Freddie watching the film itself, but it stayed in my mind.

>>213491240
LOOOOOL
are you dense? Arthur Fleck and Freddie Quell as characters could not be more different. Quell is a "chad", for lack of a better word atm, whereas Fleck is the complete opposite. Don't compare those two great characters to some shitty capeshit Joaquin did for the money.

>>213491525
You can't understand the movie unless you also have autistic obsessions

What's with this place and worshiping mid movies

>>213489945
Filtered. It's adapted from a Thomas Pynchon novel (the first ever), and gis novels are labyrinths, which the film emulates. Maybe put down the phone and pay attention.

>>213491626
You're not allowed to criticize a movie unless you understand it.

People are very bad at articulating why they like this movie, people just like it. I get the feeling it is too smart for most people, including myself.

I thought there was supposed to be some truth to what Lancaster Dodd was saying, that he was this intellectual man that knew something others didn't, and he clearly is intelligent, but also full of shit. The first time I watched this movie I was wondering what anything he did meant, why is he forcing Freddie into these exercises?
Also has anybody noticed how fast everything moves in this film? There are a lot of time jumps that seem so unassuming, gives it a unique feeling having such an unconventional pacing where scenes are slow but then you'll jump ahead and just have to infer that they've grown closer to each other off screen

>>213491774
It's a film meant to be experienced and not dissected. That's the point. It used to be that people would just watch films and that's it.

>>213487258 (OP)
it's mid

>>213491774
>why is he forcing Freddie into these exercises?
How about this? Here comes, a large dragon. Teeth! Blood dripping! Red eyes! What do I got? A lasso. And I whip it up, I wrap it around its neck, and I wrestle! Wrestle! Wrestle him to the ground. I snap up, I say "Sit, dragon!" Dragon sits. I say "Stay!", dragon stays. Now it's got a leash on. Take it for a walk. And that's what-where we're at with it now. It stays on command. Next we're gonna teach it to roll over and play dead.

>>213491563
I suppose it's just the way Fleck and Quell laugh.

>>213491963
Yeah the first time I watched it, I very much did not make that connection. Freddie is very much a wild animal, a wild but free animal and putting a leash on him did not accomplish much of anything. Dodd probably needed Freddie more than Freddie needed him.

The ending juxtaposes Freddie with the real woman against the woman in the sand, and I suppose that could either mean he's literally back where he began and nothing changed at all. Or it could mean that his connection with woman is more real than anything he went through with the cult, as he very superficially applies their methodology on her before they go back to being animals (having sex)

>>213491549
>The mood and mystery it creates
That's what I liked about the world of this film too. But I still think the plot per se just was lacking in substance.

I still struggle to see what PTA was actually trying to say with this film. In the screenplay, there is a scene where Freddie fantasises beheading Dodd. In the deleted scenes, we see what happens when he opens the chest (it bursts into flames). Both the screenplay and deleted scenes suggest that there was more to the Split Sabre subplot. Whatever the heck was that about, even?

>>213487258 (OP)
I cry every time I watch Jersey Girl and Ollie shows up in time to perform with Gertie but it doesn’t make it a masterpiece.

Kevin Smith’s best movie.

>>213492012
Because they're played by the same guy? But as characters, they could not be more different. Fleck was an effeminate faggot loser whereas Quell was an alpha male.

>>213492046
>as he very superficially applies their methodology
I could be entirely off but I was thinking the relationship between Lancaster and Freddie was so strong even when he departs that he was using the interviewing techniques sort of as his way to create this real connection with this girl the same was Lancaster did with Freddie when he interviewed him because that first interview made them so much closer. It's what took his mask off and be honest and real and he was trying to do the same to this girl. Trying to recreate that bond even if it wasn't entirely serious

>>213492288
Yeah that could also be it, it makes the cut to the sand woman feel a bit more thematically appropriate maybe. But the last time I rewatched it, it gave me the feeling that he never really understood Dodd or anything he did, because he didn't have to. Freddie was always living, he was his own master even though he's a bit of an animal. Him and Dodd were total opposites of each other, their relationship makes sense, but it also makes sense that it had to end.

reel men don cry

>>213492750

>>213492750
If Tom Aspinall the UFC heavyweight champ of the world can cry you can cry anon.

>>213492762
lol

>>213490585
What being terminally online does to a motherfucker. Hilarios lmao

>>213487258 (OP)

For me best film since 2000 are


1. Tree of Life
2. Batman v Superman Ultimate Cut
3. The Master
4. Only God Forgives
5. Inception

>>213487258 (OP)
yeah it's pretty great, i hope he has more of those type of movies in him, those great and potent and focused ones (TWBB, The Master, Phantom Thread)

>>213493008
Good bait

no better looking movie since

>>213487258 (OP)
not even the 5th best PTA movie of the past 30 years (yes Hard Eight is better)

IIIIIIIII
WANT TO GET YOU
ON A SLOW BOAT TO CHINAAAA
AAAAAALL TO MYSELF
ALONE

>>213489553
>>213489605
>>213491774
>stupid drunk joins a cult; fucks a sandcastle
The meaning of the movie is that PTA did a bunch of coke and wrote a pile of nonsense that pseuds can read 1000 different meanings into, none of them with any relevance to anything.

>>213495999
standard reductive shit opinion. I'll give you credit though, you didn't call it "Pretentious" that's the go to one for basically any movie that does anything even remotely unconventional

>>213487258 (OP)
This nigga cries at movies lmao

>>213495917

>>213491774
The structure of the film exactly matches Freddie's mental state. When Freddie is spiraling, the movie is fast paced and jumps all over the place. When he's stable, the movie is more straightforward. >>213495999
good bait

>>213496914
PTA films are for deeply estrogenized, broad-hipped, low-IQ men who cry at pretty pictures in sequence and tend towards pederasty.

>>213487258 (OP)
I agree, OP. Some of the best acting I've ever seen. Good thread.

the film is great but the first 20 minutes in particular are amazing, I've never seen anything quite like it in how it shows somebody's time during the war, after it, coming back from it and being unable to assimilate back into society.

the way the scenes flow, how it conveys these things and what it chooses to show. Those first 20 minutes are incredible, it could be a short film.

>>213488591
Look at how milky/clouded Freddie's eyes are. Also, pretty sure "slow boat to china" is a euphemism for heroin.

>>213497261
I would beat your ass in person. You would not talk to me like this

>>213491839
Only someone who isn't a master of himself would think this.

>>213497261
You wanna say that to my face faggot? Meet me at the New York Public Transit Authority Men's bathroom, second stall from the right. I'll have my asshole spread and my mouth open to show you how much of a faggot you are.

>>213497261

>>213495999
two men that love each other but over time realize they are too different and can't ever make it work and the pain that comes with "breaking up"
if you ever had a friend you drifted apart from you'll know the feeling

>>213491834
you are retarded

>>213487925
is this shot even in the movie?

>>213498659
I don't know, anytime I've ended male friend relationships it hasn't been dramatic, we just stopped talking. Maybe it's more of a gay cult thing?

>>213491545
Autism must be a debilitating condition.

>>213499815
Who knows, he cut so much good stuff, even shit that he marketed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G192RC5vito

The movie is gorgeous, but PTA forgot he was supposed to tell a story. The improv between Dodd and Quell is great but in retrospect it deprived the film from having any real substance. That's really the main problem with PTA. He doesn't give enough attention to making an actual point. It's more about vibe than anything else.

>>213497302
Yeah, I like to rewatch it from time to time, up to Freddie's voyage on the boat.

Mcdonalds Arthouse

>>213490724
Kek I was trying to think of my opinion of it but I was fucked up when I watched it and lost sight or what was happening altogether

>>213487258 (OP)
I watched it when it came out and don't remember anything from it

>>213491240
As a former violent drunk i find it relatable.

>>213501266
shut up man, you'll say this about anything that gets popular
hipsters are so annoying

I like the rorsach test where he says they all look like pussies, literally me

>>213502980
The Master isn't popular tho

>>213487810
fpbp

I've seen it 20 times and I still don't know what's the plot.

>>213487258 (OP)
I don't disagree

heroin must be good as fuck if PSH picked it over being an alive millionaire goat actor

I was filtered by the scene where they keep making him touch the wall over and over again

>>213487258 (OP)
Yeah. I hope Parent Teacher Association is operating on this level for One Bat Aft Ano

>>213505260
It’s just about breaking him down psychologically. At its core it’s just hypnotization. But the point is that Freddie can’t be hypnotized because Freddie can’t lie to himself, unlike Dodd and the rest of the cult. Dodd hates Freddie precisely because he can’t run his trick on him. In a way, it’s kind of allegorical to God and mankind, where mankind cannot help but disobey and do their own thing which results in the complete collapse of meaning which is really what’s at the heart of this film.

>>213505451
Insanely rare Fiona Apple reference Based

>>213504450
are you sure?

>>213504450
Freddie is haunted by his past and falls in with a group that is all about eliminating your previous billion haunted pasts. Then they slowly make their way to a convention for the leader's second book, which is supposed to answer all the questions raised in the first, but doesn't, and slowly everyone kind of realizes he's a crook. Then Freddie splits because the group prohibits booze and sex with beaches.

>>213487258 (OP)
dubs means a 4K release hopefully soon
GOAT movie

>>213489335
I still lose my shit when Brolin is going to town on that frozen banana

>>213505502
Dodd doesn't hate Freddie though, he loves and needs him. He wishes he was him

>>213487258 (OP)
That's not Animal Kingdom.

>>213505932
I agree but I would say the nuance is that he hates him because he loves him. In the last scene, Dodd makes it clear that if Freddie doesn’t join they are going to be enemies. Dodd says this is going to be in the next life, but if we dig at the root of this claim we see that Dodd really means it in this lifetime, as in, we are now enemies because you reject me, and because you can live freely without being a control freak.

>>213505260
same thing on first watch, I kept looking for some meaning to it but I think you're just supposed to feel like Freddie does, it's just complete nonsense

>>213487258 (OP)
>This is the best of movie of the past 30 years. I've seen it 20 times and I still cry.
lol
lmao

>>213495999
pretty much. PTA sucks, although some of his frames look good. nice trips

>>213506016
>>213505932
something I didn't realize until the second time I viewed it, Freddie is sleeping in a public place and gets a phone call from Dodd despite him having zero idea where Freddie could be
then Freddie travels to England despite having no resources to, at which point they have their final conversation
I hate being one of these fags, but what if the entire ending is imaginary?

>>213506725
Imaginary would be cool if it wasn't an eye-rolling trope. But, I do think it'd be cool if Dodd knew how to find Freddie due to psychic powers like remote viewing or just having an unexplainable connection to him.

>>213487258 (OP)
The protagonist fucked his aunt

>>213506725
>>213506945
doesn't Freddie tell Dodd about that dream in the theater? I'm paraphrasing but he said something like "I had a dream you told me you remembered where we met before"
so the specifics of how Freddie actually found him just isn't shown, we're only shown the dream that probably lead to Freddie tracking him down

>>213507806
holy shit, you're right. I was misremembering
the bit with the phone call and it's explicitly portrayed as a dream but it leads to him actually seeking Dodd out
sorry, haven't watched it in a decade. Might have to rectify that

>>213487258 (OP)
It is very good. But not to that point. Respect to you tho.

I would like to see PTA working with early charlie kauffman

>>213492046
Freddie is a bad dog. He keeps running away from home. He stumbles on a new master who loves him very much and tries to teach him to behave. Freddie loves his new master very much too, and tries to learn new tricks for him. Unfortunately, the call of the wild proves too much for Freddie and he runs away again. After a time, he returns to the master he loves so much only to find that his master has made the very difficult realization that Freddie will never be happy on a leash. And so Freddie's master has to let Freddie go. Freddie is sad to leave, but realizes that he can survive in the wild. Freddie is loose, Freddie is happy, Freddie is his own master now.
Yes, I still browse.

>>213508793
>And so Freddie's master has to let Freddie go
Dodd is literally begging him to stay at the end, maybe he knows Freddie doesn't need him but he needs Freddie.

>>213508968
Dodd letting him go was ending the search after the salt flats. If the dog you chalked up for lost showed up in your backyard months later, a little emotion and attempt to get him to stay can be forgiven, even if you see in his eyes that he's gone feral.

>>213506725
The script is built around having Freddie periodically imagine things in a fairly obvious way, almost all the scenes were cut except the nude dancing one. However, I think the phone call is just supposed to be weird and unexplainable, a moment where the superstitious elements of the premise poke their head up mysteriously for a moment, maybe there was some cosmic connection between them. PTA does this often, he'll set up an atheistic, earthly framework to a story and then drop divine details here and there that challenge it.

>>213489115
It's fucking awful. He fell off by that point and has been making shit ever since.

>>213509511
I am one of few people that loved Licorice Pizza

>>213509048
I think though there's a difference between life forcing you to let go of something and you yourself letting go of something. I think the end scene can be read as Dodd having not let go of Freddie, at least not emotionally. There's an unspoken resentment in Dodd which he may not even acknowledge. We can infer though that he doesn't see himself as the cause of Freddie's absence because he constantly demands to know "who got to Freddy."

In my opinion, I don't think Dodd is ever going to get over Freddy. That's why that "we will be enemies" in another life line is important. Dodd is literally going to hold onto the resentment past this lifetime into the next.

To me this speaks to the profundity of their duality. For some strange reason they are drawn together powerfully even though they can never really ever converge. It's the opposite actually. They reach a point where there is so much tension that the relationship explodes and they both repel each other. I think this tells us that these two are trapped in a never ending cycle of coming together and tearing apart. This psychic friction is what makes this movie so powerful. We can't describe it, but we can feel something sublime about the interaction of these two archetypes.

you thought it was over? This summer...

>>213510508
you could've at least cropped the grok watermark

It's not a unique choice, but Mulholland Drive is the best movie of the 21st Century, and of all time for that matter.

>>213497898

>>213487258 (OP)
One of my female best friends that I always had a crush on was a wannabe actress that manged to get some small roles, and she played one of the nude girls during that party scene

I think about how the universe gives me these ironic life moments a lot

>>213510929
Anon I think the five fists do enough to tell you where that image came from

>>213487258 (OP)
Uneven tone and awkward progression of story. PSH-Adams is why it works. Fenix is fine but the dynamics make more sense if Adrien Brody's more organic style is the broken one sucked into the cult.

>>213511029
>female best friend
Dis nigga here

>>213511282
I've since been married and divorced and in several other long term relationships but I never met a girl I could talk to with 100% comfort and zero stress like her.

>>213509666
>an unspoken resentment in Dodd
Absolutely, because Dodd is a lust for power personified. Dodd sees Freddie the entire time as a rube like all the others, easily malleable into his pawn. Freddie, who has been used like a pawn his entire life, from childhood to the military, to even his alcoholism, has just assumed that's all he's good for. It's Dodd thinking he's smarter than everyone else, who tries new, shinier methods of subjugation, awakens Freddie's independence by lifting him up. This is the conflict. Control vs. kindness. Dodd is dumbstruck and broken in the end when he realizes he's been hoisted by his own petard. He's beaten himself, and Freddie reaps the benefits.
"Then go, go to that landless latitude and good luck. If you figure a way to live without serving a master, any master, then let the rest of us know, will you? For you'd be the first in the history of the world."
Dodd hates the part of himself that loves Freddie.