How do bad movies get made? Aren't there people involved at some point in the production that say, "yeah, this is shit. Shut it down." ?

But that's a cult classic were very thankful exists

Why did you use a picture from Master of Disguise? Are you implying it's a bad movie?

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>>213502753
Nice try, you're not fooling me this time

>>213502715 (OP)
One of the worst movies ever made.
Up there with movie 43

>>213502715 (OP)
By the time it's being filmed any chance to stop it has passed, it's moving under its own inertia

Most bad ideas get stopped long before then

>>213502715 (OP)
Watch part 2 of RedLetterMedia's review of Jack and Jill. They go into how Sandler gets his movies made. Basically it's nepotism and Hollywood accounting.

>>213502833
>Watch part 2 of RedLetterMedia
Nah I'm good bro

>>213502829
>>213502833
Is it just money laundering then? There's no way shit ass movies earn more than they cost to produce.

shit still makes money, it's easier to just say yes to a project already rolling and then pin the blame on others when it bombs than it is to explain why you're saying whatever amount of money the studio already spent is best eaten as a loss rather than a prospective turnaround

also for most people involved it's just a job, they don't particularly care for the quality and any repercussions of it bombing are invalidated by the fact that hollywood is not a meritocracy and is solely about connections

>>213502715 (OP)
Have you never worked a job before? Idea comes in, sounds okay, we’ll figure it out along the way to make it better. Oops turns out everyone is overworked, underpaid, drama happens, shit happens, things end up worse than expected, people don’t know what they’re doing, but you finish the project so you can get paid. Projects done, surprise it’s a dud, you move on to the next one and hope to god that it’s less of a disaster. Life is a comedy of errors, it’s more surprising to me that things go well as often as they do.

>>213502715 (OP)
Yes men, blind faith, greed, and sunk cost

A movie has to be truly hellish during production to be shut down. It's also very difficult to ascertain a movie's quality while it's being made. The script is really all you have to go on.

In the case of Master of Disguise, someone clearly liked the script or didn't care because they thought they had an Austin Powers competitor on their hands and thought people would love it regardless

>>213502925
>Have you never worked a job before?

>>213502715 (OP)
I remember reading somewhere that this turtle scene was filmed on 9/11

>>213503142
You know, I remember hearing that also, is it true though? That Arnold Blacknigger movie Collateral Damage was delayed release because of 9/11

>>213503142

sounds like bullshit story

>>213502715 (OP)
Four major reasons
1) The people in charge have colossal egos and/or their subordinates are spineless yes men
2) Everything goes to shit and they just want to get it out the door and be done with it
3) It's a nepotism project gift wrapped to someone, usually masked by bolting an IP the studio owns onto it and hoping for the best
4) It's an excuse for someone to return favours or transfer money by proxy

>>213503375
>transfer money by proxy
this seems like the most obvious one

>>213502911
It would cost more to cancel production at that point, is the point.

>>213502911
No. You see back in the day most movies didn't have a budget that would bankrupt a small country. They were made with like 20 million bucks max and and even the biggest duds of comedies could still turn a profit. The occasional action movie or crazy special effects sci-fi one would break that mold and pray to God it was a box office success to make money

Its nowadays that everything cost like 200-500 million just to make.

>>213503531
i think money has become an excuse for talent, and its a poor substitute

>>213502911
More like more money goes to actors (friends)

>>213503481
that makes sense to a degree

>>213502792
Sorry you don't have a sense of humor. Me and the wife love this movie

>>213503142
God I hope so. I heard they had to tone down the terrorist character because of 9/11

>>213502822
The original theatrical cut of M43 is fine. The wrap around with Dennis Quaid is good and some of the skits are great. There are a few stinkers mixed in, to be sure.
It also impresses me how they conned a star-studded cast into making it.

>>213504329
>conned
Hollywood is a town of IOUs, dirty laundry and skeleton-filled closets.

>>213502715 (OP)
That looks funny to me. He looks like a turtle. Are you saying the rest of the movie doesn’t rise to this level?

>>213503637
I don’t have a degree and it makes since to me

>>213502715 (OP)
>>213502911
It's not "money laundering" its that if you just shut it down all the money you already spent on it was wasted, but if you finish it and put it out in theaters it will at least make SOME money, so you just have to make a judgment call and ask which will result in a smaller loss
1. costs you already spent on the movie (lost if you shut it down)
2. costs you already spent on the movie + costs to finish the movie - expected revenue

If 2 results in a lower number then it makes more sense to finish and release it even if you know the movie sucks and will probably not make its money back. Plus sometimes bad movies can be unexpectedly successful, so producers remain hopeful that it might still pay off.

Studios also take into consideration what their revenues are for that year and may want to wait to realize losses. Financial losses will offset income for the company's tax burden. But this is only for profits and losses from that year, and if losses exceed profits they don't owe any taxes. So they may have a movie done that the studio doesn't believe in, and thinks will bomb, so they wait a year or two to release it because they want to time it right to offset their profits.

>>213503142
that's true, Carvey also said a few words and had everyone pause for a moment of silence when he was in the full turtle costume/makeup

>>213502911
It's probably a matter of sunk cost. Even if your movie is total dogshit, it might eke out a profit.

>>213502715 (OP)
its a film executives vanity project. the people involved in production are just so thankful to even be employed in the industry that they arent going to say anything.

>>213502911
>money laundering
you're a fucking moron

>>213504575
you're not entirely a fucking moron, but it's really more that hollywood is basically wall street west, so they just make whatever for the subsidies and preferential tax treatment, and they decide themselves whether it made a profit or not, and always qualify for government handouts the way the rest of corporate america does

>>213502911
sometimes movies make a loss, but that's obviously never the intention. That's not money laundering.
if you don't release something then you will make no money back whatsoever but if you release something, regardless of how shit it is, then you will get some money back to offset your costs and reduce your loss
by the time you've got the cameras rolling you've already hired the sound stage, the actors have contracts, you've got all the production crew being paid and are lined up- it's pointless to pull the plug at that stage

>>213504575
> Financial losses will offset income for the company's tax burden. But this is only for profits and losses from that year, and if losses exceed profits they don't owe any taxes.
this part isn't correct- you can carry forward losses

>>213505794
>>213505692
>>213504575
If what you guys say is true, then why didn't they release the Bat Girl movie and make some money back?

>>213502715 (OP)
the master of disguise was a fucking gem and they did the bit during 9/11.

>>213502715 (OP)
They're paid extremely well so they just go along with it.

>>213502833
>RedLetterMedia's review of Jack and Jill
That was really good, super informative.
Man, remember how much effort they used to put into their videos?

>>213502715 (OP)
You might recoup some money if you get it made

>>213502715 (OP)
Everyone on set is getting paid. There might be some loss of reputation, and the producer and company might lose their ass, but ‘the show must go on’ as in ‘as long as I perform my role, I’ll get paid, no matter this whole thing is shit’. The debt goes to the company, after all, they take it on to fulfill your payroll

>>213502715 (OP)
i miss the days anything got greenlit and they made 100 shitty comedies a year and just hoped a couple would be fluke hits. better than today where nobody takes chances and only makes a comedy if its existing IP or some 30 years later reboot.m

>>213507041
*30 years later sequel i mean

>>213506821
some sort of strategic move to improve the WB brand's image before some sort of merger
also wasn't that a streaming release? different market

>>213504631

>>213502822
>>213502792
I remembered liking this movie and laughing my ass off at the turtle club line, but I was 13 when this released lol

I saw taco you say taco
>taco taco taco!

>>213506821
because they saved more money by writing the movie off for tax purposes than releasing it on HBO Max or selling the rights to another distribution company (like they ended up doing with the new Looney Tunes cartoon movie and live-action Wile E. Coyote movie). That was during the WB merger with Discovery, it wouldn't have happened under normal circumstances.

>>213502715 (OP)
That's part of why Warner shitcanned the Batgirl movie, because it was so bad they worried about overall brand damage, which considering the shit they've let out the door, that's saying something.

>>213507175
The only reason anyone mentions that line is because it's in all the trailers, and it became a sort of proto-meme. It's literally all anyone talks about in relation to this movie. I'm convinced like 20 people have actually seen the thing.

>>213507345
>because it was so bad they worried about overall brand damage
that didn't stop them from releasing all those shitty zack snyder movies

>>213507386
I've seen it in theatres, anon

>>213502715 (OP)
Some of it is
>>213502829
Some of it is Hollywood Accounting. You can claim you lost more on a bad movie than you did and then write it off on your taxes to offset real profits and pay less in taxes overall.

>>213507386
That's just all I remember of the film, I definitely remember seeing it, and I remember sitting in front of my family's bigass CRT in the living room while watching it on a summer evening.

>>213507433
I wasn't implying that you hadn't, just that it's all anyone ever mentions. There's people who are surprised to know the turtle guy isn't the whole movie.

.maybe people can't tell during filming.
Think of the 1st Austin powers movie. During production it must've looked like a stinker many times. I reckon plenty of people involved had doubts. And thought it would be a bomb.
It turned out to be a classic and spawned two sequels.

Maybe you can't always tell how somethings gonna go?

>>213502715 (OP)
Everything is compartmentalized so that people rarely see the whole thing all at once. Then the movie has to be edited and tons of films are shit until they're saved in editing so many people are like 'well, this looks terrible but what do I know, I'm sure they'll fix it in post!' and they're not even wrong it happens all the time.

The real answer however is that jobs in the entertainement industry are hard to come by so if you get one you shut the fuck up and keep your head down and collect your paycheck.

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>>213503275
>>213503714
https://ew.com/celebrity/dana-carvey-turtle-man-september-11-master-of-disguise/

>>213506895
No

>>213502822
lol i like m43 thats the one with moretz having her period and wolverine with balls for a chin right? just dumb shit you can just laugh at if you know, have a sense of humor.

master of disguise is a cult classic now
turtle turtle

>>213503142
this is still one of the funniest things to me

>>213502715 (OP)
>Shut it down
Fuck no. You have all kinds of contractual obligations, its usually the path of least resistance to just release a stinker and bury it on release quietly.
If a movie does, for whatever reason, falls apart during production for external factors (your lead dies, or the director gets arrested, a hurricane blows down your set, teamsters set off a bomb etc) you have big insurance policies that pay out.
That was the whole Lex Grossman plot in tropic thunder.

>TURTLE
>TURTLE
L O L
this made 90's kids loose their shit!

>>213507386
>>213507493
The jaws captain impersonation is the best part of the movie

>>213510852
To this fucking day, if there's a turtle character in any game my friends and I quote that scene. It genuinely did make us lose our shit lol

>>213502715 (OP)
I think it’s hard to know how a movie will turn out until it’s done so it makes sense that some don’t work out

It it makes a profit it’s a good movie simple as

>>213502715 (OP)
am I not turtley enough for the /tv/ board tuuuuuurtle

>>213503142
Apparently Dana was laughing when he saw the second plane come in and hit the tower, and was later seen cheering as the first tower collapsed. He insisted on continuing the scene, saying "use the comedic energy"

0. There is a producer that has a gigantic ego and terrible taste.
1. People are still getting paid
2. People don't care.
3. The director also has an ego

>>213509782
nice

>>213507386
Yes, I saw this in the movie theater opening week. I too was a naive child easily won over by a well delivered turtle line.

So according to OP only "good movies" get made today? There hasn't been a good movie in years.

>>213502715 (OP)
Sometimes they just trust the wrong people. With Lady in the Water after Shyamalan had been a money printing machine for about a decade disney gave him full creative control. By the time they got to see the final cut of the movie contractually there was nothing they could do aside from not giving him that kind of control again.

Other times (most of the times being fair) people just underestimate how literally retarded some producers in (((((hollywood)))) are. Will simply be literally brain dead and push their shit ideas into the movie.

>>213502715 (OP)
overwhelm the masses with shit entertainment so they dont know what good entertainment is anymore, redefine what is cool by manipulating women, its all so tiresome, literally the goal of dadism/surreal art and dance chorography and why are based uncle A was denied art school entry

>IT'S CHERRY PIE MAN, GET HIM!

>>213506821
tax write off, also hackers will eventually "leak" the entire movie or make hype and release it eventually like the new coyote movie

It's 9/11 kino. Dana stayed in character in the turtle suit while giving a moment of silence on set. Name a more American moment than that.

>>213502715 (OP)
>yeah, this is shit. Shut it down
After you just spent however many millions to get to that point?

>>213502911
Kind of and probably in a lot of cases but no. It's something along the lines of
>Imagine if you have a really shitty movie that needs 1000 leafblowers and you happen to own a leafblower company, you mark up the price of leafblowers to generate a large profit for your other company and if the movie makes $0 you really only lost staff cost.

>>213502715 (OP)
Sometimes it's not obvious a movie is shit until it's nearly finished. At that point, it usually will make slightly more money than the cost of finishing the movie so you might as well finish it. Also, you never know. Maybe it'll be popular despite being shit or become a cult classic because it's shit.

Your OP is a good example. Master of Disguise sucks, but there's a lot of people that love it, even if it's ironically. People still talk about it even though it's 25 years old. It has probably recouped its budget by now. If they just shut down before finishing, then its legacy and all the money spent making it would be lost with nothing to show for it.

>>213502833
I have a friend that enjoyed that movie so much she bought it. There is a steady market for what that guy does.

>lol I wipe my ass with my hands

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>>213504494
Sadly no

>>213504529
Gebaseerd.

>>213514125
One tower wasn't turtlely enough. Now two towers? That's very turtlely

>>213502715 (OP)
It usually involves a celebrity that’s funding the movie or using the movie as a vehicle. Master Of Disguise was Dana Carvey’s project that would help him crossover into films, same with Tom Green in Freddy Got Fingered. Battlefield Earth was homosexual actor John Travolta’s way of spreading the space alien religion.

>>213503142
not quite. they filmed this scene a few days after 9/11, but they did hold a minute of silence for the victims before starting, with dana on full turtle attire

We get anon, 10 times the same joke about turtle man and 9/11. It sucks he showed indians accurately being goofy, animal people that talk funny and shit anywhere. But like turtle at 9/11, both are true. But shitting anywhere and using your hands is funnier