I thought they both sucked, this has to be the saddest cinematic fanbase rivalry of all time

why did you dislike superman 2025? i thought it was pretty good. a lot of stuff going on, but otherwise pretty good. it was one of most accurate portrayal of superman in live action.

>>213511480 (OP)
Truth nuke

>>213511513
>>I like to suck jewish cock
Yes, yes you do!

>>213511480 (OP)
I'm rooting for Gunn Superman because the Snyder fans are so annoying.

I didn't see either of them.

>>213511513
>accurate portrayal of Superman
No such thing exists since there isn't just one kind of Superman. Why can't normalfags ever understand this.

Snyder movies actually look like movies

>>213511480 (OP)
Its rivalry, its one side being insane and the other side party rocking and getting ready to watch an actual Superman sequel.

>>213511513
Overstuffed, bad writing (dialogue in particular), bad CGI, AWFUL cinematography, and hit or miss James Gunn jokes. The worst part for me though was it completely failed to create a believable world, Lex Luthor would pull universe altering technology out of his ass for some dumb gag and it wouldn't be addressed again.

>>213511480 (OP)
Cope jeet

>>213511480 (OP)
its the Israel v Palestine of movies, want them both to lose

>>213511560
you are being dishonest. yeah, there has been a bunch of different interpretations of superman, but the most common one is being portrayed in this movie.

>>213511601
You forgot to add a selfie

>>213511643
Most common doesn’t mean definitive, you said it’s the most accurate- based on what?

>>213511643
I never read a comic only watched the animated Superman and he's nothing like him so you're wrong

>>213511601
>overstuffed
>cgi
agreed.

>dialogue in particular
>jokes
what are you referring to? nothing that took me out of the film. it wasn't very comedic nor did the dialogue seem odd.

>>213511480 (OP)
I've never watched either and have no intention to but I shit on both on /tv/ and insult their fans as low IQ

>>213511480 (OP)
I just like the fights on Man of Steel because it feels like DBZ kinda shit. Which it should be. The New Superman was a comedy, it's not an action movie.

>>213511659
But you didn't ;^)

>>213511688
>Most common doesn’t mean definitive
in this case it does. if you ask any random what supermans ideals are you would get the same answers from all of them.

>>213511480 (OP)
When the very best possible version of the character was done 45 years ago, there's no good way to "update" it. You have three choices:
Make it darker - doesn't fit the character's positive tone (Snyder)
Make it goofier - all gravitas is lost and it feels cheap (Gunn)
Make it the same - everyone complains it's just copying the old one (Superman Returns
Honestly, the best option would have been if Superman Returns hadn't gone full retard with the weird suit, the kid and the kryptonian tech real estate scheme. Some of its scenes are among the best Superman scenes ever done (plane rescue, bullet to the eyeball, saving them from the ship)

>>213511749
bodied that freak

>>213511692
what is this webm supposed to imply?

>>213511513
>Clark kent and superman are both whiny pussies
>Cries about Twitter hashtags
>Has several therapy sessions with his girlfriend of 2 months
>Never gets to win one fight or save himself, even when it's contrived as hell
>Gets beaten down by every one of his allies
>The Kents, who embody Superman's American heritage and values, are bumbling retarded hicks
>And he's never going to get stronger, because it goes against Hollywood's wishes
It's a good movie with a good message if you're a leftist, maybe.

>>213511828
you are literally parroting ben shapiro. get off 4chan, ben.

>>213511643
No, you're wrong and I'm more honest about this than others who think there's a one "accurate portrayal" of Superman. Normalfags have a perception of Superman despite not really getting into actual Superman content and then projecting that into what they want him to be portrayed as. When people say, "This is so Superman", it doesn't really mean anything concrete. I could as easily say this film fits more a Shazam! film and nobody would bat an eye.

>>213511643
The ultimate Superman is John Byrne's Superman, cope, seethe dilate and kys reddit tranny

>213511857
I watched the movie with my own eyes and noticed it all immediately as it happened
>Leftists hate jews now too
Glad to have you on my side brother

>>213511812
MY Superman has aura

Imagine Superman doing this to a vape smoker, or would that be too "inaccruate of a portrayal" of Superman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDRMeeuP3F0

the most insane thing to me is how there has been almost no shitting on Gunn superman. Its al just snyder shil faggotry. Does no one have anything negative or derisive to say about this movie aside from fucking fag snyder? It was a terrible movie.

>>213511865
>there's a one "accurate portrayal" of Superman
there is. elseworlds and incompetent writers being inconsistent doesn't change anything.

>>213511643
But Superman neither looks nor is a faggot.

>>213511560
>Why can't normalfags ever understand this.

Because most people don’t read capeshit. When people think Superman they think of pic related. Even if never seen Donner Superman they still see him as that version. Big Blue Boyscout

>>213512088
No there isn't. Please really think deep and hard on what YOU think an objectively accurate portrayal of Superman is. You'll quickly realize that it's a mishmash and caricature of alot of Superman stories and runs mostly influenced by people TALKING ABOUT Superman. Do you think Superman in Hitman is more "accurate" to Superman? The whole idea of "Superman shouldn't do X or be Y" is superfluous because Superman has been and done everything.

>>213511480 (OP)
OP is correct.
Can't imagine enjoying either of these.
Subhuman slop.

>>213512119
Brown faggot ende lord hands wrote this

>>213511772
>kryptonian tech real estate scheme
This actually feels like a classic superman plot tho

>>213511545
The movie literally sided with Palastine

>>213512119
where do you think his son got it from?

>>213512136
That's because, regardless of what comicfags want to claim, the Donner version was a light-years elevation of the source material. Sadly, the comics, despite a few attempts over the years, never came close to living up to it.

>>213512216
>This actually feels like a classic superman plot tho
Much like Gunn's new Superman, I think most movie viewers feel it's too childish and silly

>>213512178
>Brown faggot
just like the new fatgirl I mean hawkgirl?

>>213511772
People, especially normalfags, project REALLY REALLY hard onto Superman. Sometimes he's a butt of a joke, sometimes he's a government stooge, sometimes he's a writer's punching bag and a write in for things he hates, sometimes he doesn't even want to be Superman. ALL OF THESE are Superman.
>but he's an allegory of Moses rather than Christian allegory!
Initially yes but he's been depicted more and more in a Christian sense than Jew sense.
>but he's an allegory for illegal immigrants!
Patently false, he's a foundling and doesn't actively spite the American people and instead devotes his day and life into helping his nation and to an extent the entire world.

This is not to say there are stories that delve more into him being an illegal immigrant and more Jewish version of him.

>>213511480 (OP)
It's completely manufactured.

Man of Steel should have been a trilogy.

>>213512267
Gunn's Superman is more akin to Superboy (Clark Kent) than Superman. I don't know why people think naive childlike Superman is an accurate portrayal of him. That's literally another hero's thing entirely.

>>213512155
>The whole idea of "Superman shouldn't do X or be Y" is superfluous because Superman has been and done everything.

you are not wrong, but the most definitive superman is what is being portrayed in the movie. different writers wrote him differently, but that doesn't change anything.

>>213512348
when has superman ever been a government stooge?

also, superman stands for truth, justice, and the american way. he's the man of tomorrow.

>>213512391
It is. The Superman Trilogy goes from his Life, Death and Resurrection.

>>213512424
TDKR Superman.

>>213512234
Exactly and is why the Donner movies influenced the comics and every adaption since has used some parts of the Donner movies. Snyderjeets probably think Snyder started the whole Jesus symbolism

>>213512420
>the most definitive Superman is Gunn's Superman
False. It's not even close. Both Gunn and Snyder's Superman are both different kinds of Superman on their own right. Stop trying to carve out legitimacy out of a false notion of accuracy.

>>213512488
Snyder SPECIFICALLY said that is where he got the Christianity from Superman from. Most people who hated Man of Steel are the ones that also don't like the allusion of him being messianic or Jesus-like.

>>213512088
Superman is the most reboot character in DC comics. I think the only other DC characters to suffer more reboots are Hawkman and Wonder Woman.

>>213512348
To 95% of movie viewers, this is not true. To them, Superman is simply the Reeve Superman and none of those other things. You're overcomplicating it by bringing in what 5% of the audience squabbles about.

>>213511480 (OP)
The greatest trick India ever pulled on /tv/ was reinventing the original term "DC Pajeets" to "Snyderjeets"

>>213512424
The in-canon 86 main comics started with superheroes being hunted because of Darkseid's scheme and Superman doing nothing about it because Reagan told him so. Search it up. It was called Legends.

>>213512699
I'm trying to relay to you that saying it's an "accurate portrayal" of Superman is retarded. Just say that it's closer to the Reeves' Superman then (even though I think that's not true).

Gunn literally fucked up Lex's character to make a political message. It's in poor taste.

Having pretty much all of pre-2011 Superman comic possible i'd say that the most 'comic accurate' Superman is actually Disney's Goofy, and the version of Goofy from those animated shorts where it was about him being a random dude going about his work or his personal life that was all about poking fun on a working man/married man's life.

Basically his most famous comics was about him being a working man or trying to date but everything would be made super or weird, and he was pretty much a huge exasperated asshole using his superpowers as some sort of cheat code to escape the insanity that was his life.
Something that stopped at the early 70s and is completely different from any movie or cartoon ever made about the character.

>>213512742
>I'm trying to relay to you that saying it's an "accurate portrayal" of Superman is retarded. Just say that it's closer to the Reeves' Superman then (even though I think that's not true).
What I'm saying is that, to the overwhelming majority of people Reeve's Superman is the one and only definitive Superman. There is no other viable version to them, so "accurate portrayal" is, to the masses, the very same thing. Almost everything discussed in here, and references to costumes and even the Snyder films, is only relevant to sliver of people. Ask 100 people to describe Superman and 99 of them will probably be picturing Reeve as they do it and naming qualities of the character from Superman I & II

>>213512178
brown like hawkgirl or dark brown like Mister Terrific?

>>213512841

>>213512857
>but it's normalfags that decide a comic book character's accuracy
Then LITERALLY say that. Just say it's cribbing from Reeves' Superman or an overcorrection of Snyder's Superman. Just don't say it's the "most accurate portrayal of Superman in a live action film" because that's giving this film undue credit for something that it didn't do.

I watched Man of Steel this week, it's such a strange movie. The 1st 30 minutes, I think are about as great as they could be. Then the plot just kind of gets pear shaped and so many weird jarring leaps are made. I got taken out of it when Zod brings Lois on the ship and she just so happens to have the Jor-El AI key to put into the ship. It felt like it needed a lot more time, I can imagine Snyder probably has some 5 hour cut of it somewhere. It was not as good as I was hoping I remembered it to be but I think much better than the current movie which is just chaotic nonsense and saying that in comparison to a Snyder movie is really saying something.

>>213512983
Snyder, Nolan and Goyer wanted it to be more sci-fi version of Superman. Which is why they put so much effort into redesigning Krypton and Kryptonian tech. Even down to Cavill's suit looks more alienlike with basically no straight edges like everything Kryptonian in the film.

>>213512983
The idea in MoS was that Clark and Lois, for a magical reason, always found one another, no matter what, specially in a moment of danger or crisis, as some weird metaphor about sex havers just not being able to help themselves because they want to fuck really, REALLY bad.
This in juxtaposition to Zod and his crew of incels that are constantly splitting and doing different things apart, which is why they end up losing.

It's just a weird metaphor being pushed by the movie and not really working.

>>213513080
That's just your usual plot contrivance. In Gunn's film, the initial incident was never addressed and was just handwaved off in a happy moment (Metahuman interference infringing on the sovereignty of nation-states) of "yay we killed the bad guy even though Superman doesn't like killing?".

>>213512949
The funny thing is that even in comics you've writers disagreeing about what Superman is all about.

Take Kingdom Come, which is pretty famous and one of DC's evergreen comic books.
Alex Ross and Mark Waid stopped talking to each other after making that comic. They fucking hate each other. Why? They disagreed about how to portray Superman.
Ross thought that Superman, the real Superman, is Clark Kent, and thus should be not only human in that he's good and such, but also flawed and prone to making mistakes. Waid, meanwhile, thought that Superman, the real Superman, is Kal, and should always be perfect because everything about him should be super. He's human, yes, but superhuman. He's always super good. He can't ever be wrong. So they fought, and fought, and stopped talking over it.

>>213512544
That wasn’t the complaint. It was pic related. “See it the Jesus stuff, let me pound you over the head with it because I think you’re stupid and want to make sure you get my brilliance”

>>213513189
That was sort of the point of my pic as well. Pic is also a rendition of Superman people give Kelly flak for because Superman never really addressed the issue of "might makes right".

>>213513210
The Donner films have Jor-El as a literal voice of God telling Superman to not reverse time because that isn't natural and that he should only lead humanity by example.

>>213513210
>pic
That's hyperbolic and you know it. The Christian imagery in MoS wasn't nearly as bad as people think it is they just like to hone in on that because it was the popular thing to hate at the time.

>>213513210
You have to realize that some people REALLY do not like Superman having anything to do with Christian America. They are often found saying "Um actually, Superman is Moses not Jesus!", type of argument.

>>213513054
I don't mind movies not being 1-to-1 with their comic counterparts. I really liked the world-building in MoS actually. Like the reason Kryptonians are powerful is because they had to evolve on a hellish nightmare planet. I thought that was kinda cool and it's even kinda making it's way into comics with Absolute Superman (it's not quite the same thing but its close-ish).

>>213513270
A few wackos? Superman ‘78 was a massive box office and critical success the moment it came out. It was not at all divided like MOS. Not even close to the same. You didn’t have Superman doing Jesus poses and standing behind crucifixes.

>>213513232
The funny thing is that later Mark Waid wrote his own sequel to Kingdom Come, and later Alex Ross wrote his own sequel as well, and both sequels are basically totally different.

This is a thing that basically started with John Byrne's 80 reboot, when Byrne ended the whole "Kal" thing, but making so that Superman doesn't have things like 'super memory' or 'super intelligence' and so grew up mostly as Clark Kent. Thus Clark being who he is, and Superman just what he does.
Which goes against with how Superman used to be before, where Superman had 'super memory' and 'super intelligence' and thus could remember his infancy back in Krypton under the care of his biological parents. So Superman was mostly Kal and would use to say things like "Great Rao" and such. The Kents were seen just like the kindly couple that took care of him for a time.

So for the longest time you had writers like Waid that just hated the change brought by Byrne, and wanted everything to go back to how it was where Superman was perfect, single, and mostly lived as some super alien capable of anything. He used to be even against Superman and Lois being a thing, because Superman being with a human female was wrong.

>>213511707
>nothing that took me out
Everything took me out. Everything. Every single line was crafted to be an ironic, insincere joke. It was complete shit and Gunn clearly does not like Superman or care about Superman. Half of the movie is the Justice Gang being assholes, that's the only type of movie he knows how to make.

>>213513366
The Kryptonians are mostly powerful because they bred themselves that way. They have an ultra-eugenics program that ensures that you are born to be drawn towards a certain role in Kryptonian society. Without the film explicitly stating it, Kryptonians sort of solved both the work and birth crises. Superman being infused by the literal blueprint of every Kryptonian is what also makes him above every Kryptonite ever in terms of everything.

>>213513270
The Donner films have Jor-El telling Clark that he is a god to mankind.
>Come with me now, my son.
>As we break through the bounds of your earthly confinement traveling through time and space.
>Your powers will far exceed those of mortal men

>>213513409
Yes, you and I are in agreement, anon.

>>213513341
I’m in that camp because I’m bored of it and it’s gone too far. Making Superman some symbol has made the character boring and unrelatable. Chris Reeve’s Superman wasn’t like that. He was goofy and had a lot charisma and made mistakes. He wasn’t some stoic borefest

>>213513398
>Superman doing Jesus poses and standing behind crucifixes.
Those were only ever did once and people like Snyder made Cavil do it every 5 minutes in the film

>>213513496
Most people just don't know how much Superman changed over the years. I feel he changes a lot. Every time the DC editors want to shake things up they reboot his comics and throw things around.

>>213513536
and people think like*

>>213513522
You're never getting away from Superman being a symbol of something. Gunn's film has him as a symbol for something as well.

>>213511513
>most accurate portrayal of superman in live action.
>>213511643
Fucking nigger(s)
>https://youtu.be/MDduk0Unn1k?feature=shared

>>213513536
I can literally take several scenes of Superman doing Jesus poses in Superman Returns. That whole movie has a weird anti-Church bent.

>>213511560
This. There's a reason why the writer's name is always attached to Superman

>>213513429
Oh I know. Zod was literally faster at adapting than Clark and probably would have won their fight if it went on much longer.
But I just thought the supplemental material was kinda neat.
Like in MoS Krypton is tidally locked to Rao, so there's no magnetic field protecting the Kryptonians from all the solar radiation. [This is the explanation for why Kryptonians have super resistances to heat and cold and radiation.]
Also the planet is super dense and has immense gravity. [Obviously leades to super strength.]
And the atmosphere is so caustic and thick with particulates that you can't see through it and it burns your skins. [And that explains why they full electromagnetic vision and super senses.]

>>213513589
It stars with a B and ends with endis.

>>213513636
No it does not

>>213513576
I do find it odd that the JL cartoon made it seem like Apokolips is just some random planet like any other and not an actual realm that exists outside the multiverses that can only be accessed via boom tubing (you cannot literally fly to New Genesis or Apokolips). I think even Snyder made that misconception.

>>213513605
One of the cool things that did in MoS is that they explore the different explanations given to Superman powers over the decades.
Originally there wasn't any of this sun thing, where the sun rays empower his cells giving him his superpowers. Originally the only explanation given was that the planet he came from had a denser atmosphere, and so because of that he was like an ant. He was strong and could just high. He didn't have any of the super senses or any of that. He couldn't even fly.
Then during the 50s, thanks to the cartoon and the radio show, they come up with the sun thing, and now he could fly, he had heat vision, and so on.

So in MoS they show the kryptonian crew all just being super strong, super fast, and being able to jump high. Because they're shielding their bodies with that armor, which is shielding them from the sun's rays. So they're pretty operating under the golden age explanation.
Then the moment their armors break and they're flooded by the sun's rays, that's when they start to develop their super-senses and be able to fly. Now you've the classic explanation.
This is all done visually. I thought it was neat.

>>213511513
Shit costume (not as shit as MoS but still pretty shit)
You don't have anything clever to say with what if wars between nations existed in a world with superman
Anti Russian hit piece for the apparently abhorrent crime of standing up to American aggression.

>>213511480 (OP)
I haven't seen either movies. Is Man of Steel worth watching?

>>213513761
How the fuck are you in this board posting and you haven't even seen MoS even ironically?

i like both movies

>>213513562
Gunn’s Superman was the most human version of Superman we’ve seen. Basically the point of the movie is him rejecting his alien heritage for his midwest parents who raised him to be a good person. He is dearly flawed and his interview with Lois shows this when he admits putting a dictator on a cactus

>>213513884
>He is dearly flawed
What are his actual flaws? And not flaws in the cute way in that he cares too much. Actual flaws as making mistakes that cost others or being rude or unpleasant or something.

>>213513884
Technically if we're discussing flaws being correlated to one's humanity, Snyder's would top out. Cavill's Superman is even apprehensive and anxious about being "a Superman", along with his parents agreeing that he doesn't even have to be a Superman if he does not want to or if he's not ready yet. THAT is a very unique and interesting take on Superman, even compared to the comics. Some might say, "Oh Clark doesn't need to doubt about being Superman, he doesn't need a tragedy to help others!" which is also true but Snyder's rendition of Clark being a wanderer helping people out his own way a la incognito is really fresh and introspective of the character.

>>213511480 (OP)
It's just marketing, dude. Don't think too much about it and laugh at the jeets accusing each other of being jeets.

Visually Man of Steel was a tour de force. Which is why you can rewatch it a hundred times and never get bored of it. Because a plot might be interesting one or two times, but amazing visuals are never ceases to be inspiring.

Meanwhile this new brand of Gunnslop has nothing going for it. It's cringeworthy and ugly throughout. "Oh look at the funny face Superman is making while getting kicked in the junk lol," and don't get me started on the terrible camera angles and messed up AI generated imagery.

People* only force themselves to like the new movie because it's the current thing. They think it's better to be served a dog turd on a platter than be served nothing, so they eat it and pretend to like it.

Zod just makes Man of Steel so great he was handled perfectly

>>213513785
Pure kino