>/tv/ shills this series for 2 fucking years
>Culture war types shill this series like the second coming
>S2 finishes
>literally nobody mentions or talks about it again
Andor was absolutely fucking boring as fuck slop along with Rogue One. I have no fucking clue why /tv/ shills this nothing dogshit so much. S2 might have been the single most boring and terribly paced show I've seen in my life.
Between Trekkies desperately wanting to pretend SNW is good, and Star Wars fans pretending Rogue One is a return to form, both franchises are now coasting on insane fan copium.

seethe hardor troon

>>213514724 (OP)
It’s a Star Wars series embarrassed of being Star Wars. Its why it has barely any aliens and tries to do some weird revisionism where the separatists had a large human presence when that’s blatantly not true.

>>213514772
>seethe hardor troon
It's the troons like that Blandor, retard.
>THE ATTACK ON GHOURMAN IS JUST LIKE WHAT TRANS PEOPLE GO THROUGH!

>>213514892
you should be locked up starwarstheory, for being gay

I don't understand how Season 2 is supposed to be 5 seasons condensed into one when they barely have enough story and character content for 6 episodes

/tv/ is dead.
Star wars won

>>213514724 (OP)
It's a problem of low expectations. Star Was has been so shit for so long that when something slightly decent comes is made, fans praise it as a glorious return to form, because they desperately want to believe that. Truth is it was just okay.

>>213515175
tfw no mon mothma gf

>>213515260
that's what I thought until I actually watched it. you should try that.

>>213514724 (OP)
Yeah. But I GOT MANY FRIIIIIIIIIIIIIENDS IN LOOOOOOOOW PLACES
WHERE THE WHISKEY DROWNS AND THE BEER CHASES
THE SHEEV AWAY
AND I'LL BE OK

>>213514959
Biggest issue with andor is they rush through or even time skip the interesting stuff, then just focus on melodrama and absolutely wtf shit like characters just standing around or eating cerel or whatever for almost what it feels entire episodes on end. Also most of the characters have no impact on the plot whatsoever. What the fuck was the point of space arab boy or girlfriend or even Mon Mothma? They do nothing and have no impact on anything.
Almost dropped the show on the TERRIBLE wedding episode, but kept watching because people kept saying this show was awesome, but nope. Should have dropped it.
Also a lot of the drama comes from characters acting inexplicity retarded for no reason, which is one of my most hated tropes in media. Luthen's death was also massive bullshit lmao.

>>213515314
>Luthen's death was also massive bullshit lmao.
Why?

>>213514724 (OP)
I liked when the Indian girl got stabby. Andor was the only show I've even watched in the last like 5 years. It was definitely the only one I enjoyed. Andor haters are just assmad prequelfags.

>>213515294
I watched the first season and it was nothing special. Not a patch on the OT. Maybe you shouldn't get so excited over mediocrities.

>>213515294
this

>>213515357
Because there is no fucking way in hell he wouldn't have his store rigged to the fuck with explosives and thermite.
Nah, has to return to manually pour liquid solder on the radio. Total horseshit.

>>213515385
it shits all over rotj and anh. about equal to esb.

>>213515405
IMAGINE IF THEY RIGGED IT WITH THERMAL DETONATORS BRO HOLY SHIT!!!!! KINO

it could be like this

>Turn around!
>I cant.
>why not!
>because Im holding a THERMAL DETONATOR!!!.

then creatures Luthen keeps hidden behind fabric walls start laughing maniacally after the fabric falls down

>>213515470
I KNOW THIS!!!! HAHAHA EPIC

>>213515470
Because it makes no fucking sense dude. Why in fuck would this expert planner, have no plan for escape and destroying equipment if he gets burned? What if he couldn't even return in time? So he just lets the Empire get all the evidence and radio codes for the rebels?
This happens all the time in Andor, the characters are just retarded at points like the fucking Farm bullshit plot arc to move the plot forward.

>>213515405
How would an antique shop owner explain outfitting his shop with explosives when the ISB decide to inspect? How would he even manage to put something like that in place covertly without raising any suspicion in the middle of Coruscant? He was paranoid to the point of assuming the ISB was watching him at all times.

>>213515470
can i be one of the creatures i wanna be one of the creatures i'll be like that little apu guy they had near the end in corscuant just walking down the sidewalk you remember him that'll be me i'll laugh

>>213515559
he realized the force was guiding Andor to his destiny and it didnt matter what he did

>>213514724 (OP)
I didn't enjoy season 2 very much
Loved season 1

>>213515584
>they never actually pulled the bullshit with luthen being some jedi with the khyber crystal medallion or anything like that
thank FUCK i had forgotten that was even a concern until you said the force

>>213514826
It's a Star Wars series that's based on Star Wars and not a fucking cartoon.

>>213515610
>they never actually pulled the bullshit with luthen being some jedi with the khyber crystal medallion or anything like that

lol yeah, that was Rich Evans prediction after watching season 1

>>213515465
It's a grey, miserable show, made for people who don't really like Star Wars. It was produced in the UK and it bears some resemblance to the morbidly depressing dramas and police shows we have here. That's not Star Wars to me. Star Wars in meant to be fun. This was more like an episode of Black Mirror or something.

And no, it's not even as good as ROTJ.

>>213515584
I cried at the end ;_;

>>213515640
I love it when Rich Evans is wrong. He's unquestionably the worst part of RLM.

>>213514724 (OP)
test

>>213515641
its star wars to the fucking core, they even shot in europe like the OT with british people, and they didnt just stop at star wars lore, they made it George Lucas, by putting THX1138 in there, and the politics of Lucas. Its absolute kino.

>>213515650
I had to go watch Rogue One again immediately after and... It was actually much improved watching it as the finale for Andor inexplicably from some chick's perspective. It still wasn't as good as Andor but at least Andor made watching Rogue One a bit more fun

>>213515641
>made for people who don't really like Star Wars
It's made for people who care about Star Wars beyond just the cool action scenes and the bright colors. If that's all you see in the OT then this show isn't for you.

>>213515681
>its star wars to the fucking core,

No. Okay they filmed in Britain, but it's dour-faced modern Britain, giving it a different tone. And there is no charismatic scoundrel, no traditional boy-hero finding his destiny, no cute princess, and no sense of friendship and loyalty between the characters. It is NOT Star Wars, and you are blind if you can't see that.

>>213515850
>why isn't it the same story with the same characters again???

>>213514724 (OP)

>>213515902
he didn't explain it well and people were eager to reduce his argument down, but he did have a valid point. the world doesn't feel as fantastical and foreign as it should.

>>213515631
> It's a Star Wars series that's based on Star Wars and not a fucking cartoon.
But it’s already been established in the prequels the separatists are predominantly alien.

It was the last good Star Wars we'll ever get. It's finished. No more to say.

>>213515888
I didn't mean to make it sound that way. I'm really talking about atmosphere and themes. In Andor - in the first season, at least - everyone's a scheming backstabbing prick. There are no heroes, no real friendships, everything is mercenary and pragmatic. No one is even remotely likeable. I don't think you can say that this is like the first Star Wars film. It's more like Game of Thrones.

>>213514724 (OP)
>and Star Wars fans pretending Rogue One is a return to form
No one says that. Andor fans say it's the only good SW content.

>>213515175
Poor Kloris, he was definitely going to help

>>213515641
>It's a grey, miserable show, made for people who don't really like Star Wars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ciB4gfjAY

>>213515973
>but he did have a valid point. the world doesn't feel as fantastical and foreign as it should.
As opposed to what?

>>213516105
as opposed to the rest of established star wars media

>>213516045
Season 1 starts and ends with the people of Ferrix helping Andor for no other reason than because it's the right thing to do and the empire is bad.

Foreman Gollum helps plan an elaborate escape knowing he can't swim and so will die in the prison.

>>213516120
>as opposed to the rest of established star wars media

Where are the aliens?

>>213516010
Those separatists were destroyed. Vader chopped up a bunch himself.

>>213515850
>And there is no charismatic scoundrel
You mean Andor? Or Luthen, though scoundrel is just another mask he wears.
>no cute princess
Did you see Arjona's ass?
>and no sense of friendship and loyalty between the characters
Melshi and Andor are best buddies by the end of the show, and Andor has a fucking company of men willing to join him in a suicide mission for Rogue One.

andor is just the OT/prequel debate updated for 2025.

if you're not a fan of star wars and don't like andor, that's valid
if you're a prequel/clone wars fan who only pays lip service to 4-6, and don't like andor, that's valid too
if you're an OT purist and don't like andor, that's where you're baiting

almost univerally the ones hating on andor are the types who grew up on the prequels and unironically think rots is the best from 1-9

>>213514826
When are Separatists ever shown in Andor?

>>213516174
yes exactly. that looks like an alien planet. that webm someone posted earlier for instance was literally just some building that exists irl.

>>213516315
>yes exactly. that looks like an alien planet.
It looks like a fucking Italy/Late Roman Empire

>>213516217
>Andor
>charismatic

He was an unrelenting downer who didn't smile or joke once. Hardly comparable with Han.

>>213516372
Do you know what charismatic means? When people think of Hitler they probably don't think about him smiling and joking around, but he was extremely charismatic.

>>213516354
you seem to think I'm saying that star wars architecture doesn't take inspiration from real life?

>>213515566
So he's outfitting it with state of the art radios and transmission tech, but can't put a single thermite grenade attached to remote detenator in there. Come on dude. It was bullshit death because they needed him dead. That was it.

>>213516455
Either this or you complaining for no reason.

>>213515641
Yep, feels like a mediocre BBC thriller.
Also no idea why people think Canary Wharf and the Barbican look "Star Wars". It literally just looks like London. I mean, why in fuck would Coruscant have redbrick buildings and floors lmao.

>>213516468
>So he's outfitting it with state of the art radios and transmission tech
Anon, he just tapped into an imperial dish the shop was next to. And his shop was no longer an active part of the network.

>>213516495
no, I'm saying andor's set design and costuming is closer to real life than star wars typically is.

>>213516403
If your defence of Andor is "he was charismatic in the same way as Hitler" then you're just shitposting now.

>>213516568
>no, I'm saying andor's set design and costuming is closer to real life than star wars typically is.
And you've measured it by what? Miles? Kilometres? Tonns? Pounds? Pascals? Dave Filoni? George Lucas? Gina Carano?

>>213516576
Are you trying to say that Hitler isn't known as being charismatic?
Han Solo was a brutal murderer, I don't think of him as a grinning jokester.

>>213514724 (OP)
>literally nobody mentions or talks about it again
Because season 2 was a rushed piece of shit.

>>213514724 (OP)
I"m 3/4 though season one and it's amazing so far.

>>213516468
Or may be because Luthen supposed to be a living person rather than scripted NPC

>>213516630
Hitler may well have been charismatic, but a Hitleresque charm is not what I or most fans are looking for in a Star Wars protagonist.

>>213516217
>You mean Andor? Or Luthen, though scoundrel is just another mask he wears.
Andor is the opposite of charismatic, he spends 90% of the screentime just stairing and looking zoned out and every time he opens his mouth he speaks like he has autism.
>>213515732
Yeah pretty much. What people also don't realize is the Star Wars universe is shallow as fuck and pretty fucking lame honestly when it comes to politics and factions. The Prequels and even Clone Wars until S3 doesn't even explain what the fuck the CIS is or what they even want or are doing or who is leading them or any political demands or anything. Why does the republic want a massive civil war over some fucking alien rim worlds fucking off? Who knows.
It's also the same largely for Andor, when you realize they are literally just fighting to restore a dogshit corrupt liberal republic that collapsed under it's own corruption and cartoonish level incompetency, it removes a lot of the drive for what the characters are fighting for, especially when you know the Republic lasts a whole like 10 years, and was even more corrupt and incompetent than the Republic the Empire replaced before being Starkillered.
Reality is, Star Wars was always a more fun stupid EU pulp setting and Video game franchise than a "lore" film franchise, and frankly, Kotor and Kotor 2 are probably the best the franchise has to offer in story.
Hoping 40k comes in and puts Star Wars out of it's misery.

>>213516706
>Hoping 40k comes in and puts Star Wars out of it's misery.
>Star Wars universe is shallow as fuck
LOL
LMAO

>>213516730
Warhammer at least knows what it is.
Star Wars has been in an identity crisis since the credits rolled on Empire.

>>213515973
>but he did have a valid point.
no he did not

>>213516790
>Warhammer at least knows what it is.
Yeah MCU of the sci-fi

>>213516075
>Poor Kloris, he was definitely going to help
he probably left his blaster on the car seat too. I love all the little details.

>>213516705
>Hitler may well have been charismatic
No, he was charismatic.
>but a Hitleresque charm is not what I or most fans are looking for in a Star Wars protagonist
Just say you misspoke and charisma was the wrong word, since Andor is objectively charismatic.

>>213514724 (OP)
>blandor
only trannies watched this

>>213516619
>And you've measured it by what
observing things with my own eyes. you're free to disagree with my judgements, I just feel that whenever they deviated from the norm it lost a bit of that distinctive star wars feel.

>>213514724 (OP)
>ummm you're supposed to still talk about it

We already talked about it, discussed it and it's kino and it will forever be considered the best Star Wars content that there has ever been, you're a faggot and a retard and you should kill yourself

>>213516678
there's only one way out, and that's to watch the entire two seasons

>>213516790
>Warhammer at least knows what it is.
just wait until they make it like Halo

>>213516843
Okay, instead I'll say Andor is a sour and unappealing character who goes around with a face like a slapped arse, and I don't particularly want to spend my time with him.

>>213516863
>observing things with my own eyes.
So SWT-argument.
>I just feel that whenever they deviated from the norm it lost a bit of that distinctive star wars feel.
You can apply that to pretyy much every piece of Star Wars, including prequels or any episode following after ANH

>>213516908
He's actually the single best written Star Wars character but sadly you're too pleb to get it.

>>213516908
>Okay, instead I'll say Andor is a sour and unappealing character who goes around with a face like a slapped arse, and I don't particularly want to spend my time with him.

>>213516990
lmfao

>>213516934
>You can apply that to pretyy much every piece of Star Wars, including prequels or any episode following after ANH
not at all. star wars is rarely shot on preexisting real world locations like is frequently done in andor. you'd really compare bespin to ghorman and see no difference in worldbuilding scope? I don't really get a sense of wonder when looking at ghorman, I just see space france. which is cohesive with the themes of the show, but less so with the rest of star wars.

>>213516944
>single best written Star Wars character

I think you're forgetting someone.

>hugely hooked nose
>lives in the desert
>wears a tiny hat
>keeps slaves (including a little boy)
>is very greedy

I don't know how Lucas came up with this stunning original creation.

>>213514826
>>213514724 (OP)
See >>213515631

It also sucks how after watching S2 you go and rewatch Rogue One and it's even worse than before now.

>>213517085
Doug Chang came up with Watto bro, I seriously doubt George was like, hmm make him a jew ok

>>213514724 (OP)
I remember when every retard here hyped up the Mandalorian like it was the second coming. "Star Wars is saved bro, you have to watch it, it's so good". So I caved and watched it, and lo and behold, it was trash.
Then Andor came along and everybody hyped it up like it was the second coming. "Star Wars is saved bro, you have to watch it, it's so good". I'm not falling for that shit again. Fool me once.

>>213517108
>rewatch Rogue One and it's even worse than before now.
it just exposes what rogue one has always been. andor has the same effect on all the filoni slop as well. the fact that one semi-coherent and semi-competent series like andor can have such a seismic impact on the franchise should clue you in on how dogshit all of it really is. star wars is garbage and you should feel bad for liking any of it

>>213517271
I haven't seen Mandalorian yet but I thought the first season was supposed to be reasonably good?
Anyway, I don't think they are the same audiences. Andor is legitimately an adult drama with amazing actors set in the SW universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3RCme2zZRY

>>213517271
after the prequels and the decades of cartoon slop, Mandalorian WAS kino and legitimately good, for one maybe two seasons.

But Andor is on another level entirely and is adult and the closest thing to Empire Strikes Back in quality. The showrunner truly understood the essence of Star Wars

>>213517243
>I seriously doubt George was like, hmm make him a jew ok

Yet George wrote Jar Jar in the style of an old-fashioned minstrel act. If you read the script for TPM, you see that Ahmed Best said those lines exactly as George wrote them. He didn't ad-lib any of that stuff.

>>213517368
>Mandalorian WAS kino and legitimately good, for one maybe two seasons

The Baby Yoda shit ruined it for me. It took me back to The Phantom Menace, when George was making Star Wars much more cutesy and childish to drive toy sales.

You either make your badass bounty hunter show, or you make the Teletubbies. You can't do both at once.

>>213517444
>Yet George wrote Jar Jar in the style of an old-fashioned minstrel act.
yeah because he wanted to make it like a 1940 flash gordon serial kek he probably did tell Doug to make him a jew

>>213517505
the boba fett show should have been a badass show, and suffered what you are talking about far worse than mando, I still think mando was pretty good considering

>>213517368
It was good for like, 45 minutes. For barely 1% of its runtime it was about it's protagonist and bounty hunting.

I never really liked these shows that seem to exist just to like, flesh out lore for random corners of the Star Wars universe that don't need to be built out because they contribute nothing contextually. I don't care about the Empire's shitty prisons, I don't care about the Empire outpost on some fucking planet of gay multi-ethnic forest druids. I don't care about how the Empire got the fuel and metal to build the Death Star by setting up secret mining operations on a planet whos' primary export is spiders.

But simultaneously, I don't care about the events of this fucking show because I already know what happens. I already know that there's a rebellion, leading up to the death of the Empire. I already saw that movie. So the fact that you're trying to frame it so the entire fucking impetus for the events of Star Wars IV hang on the random doings of some charismaless retard who really just kind of constantly seems to be at the wrong place at the wrong time rather than anything else, doesn't interest me.

>>213517638
you care about a sith fighting a jedi over and over forever with endless options for renewal

>>213517675
Not really. I barely cared about the Prequels, and I didn't give a shit about the Sequels. We had everything we needed to know about Star Wars with the first trilogy, and maybe Knights of the Old Republic.

>>213514724 (OP)
>>he fell for the "it's KINO" meme
Andor is to be played in the background / 2nd monitor while doing chores / working with sound off, beautiful moving wallpaper.

it's all modernity sloptainment

to actually sit down and watch any of it with your full attention? no way, it's a lobotomy like experience

>>213517108
Rogue One has always been mediocre.

>>213514724 (OP)
>>/tv/ shills
Disney shilled it, they're the ones spamming cope about superman btfoing three marvel movies this year

>>213514724 (OP)
i watched season 1 with /tv/ which was a nice experience but outside of the kino subplot everything was shit so i skipped s2 probably a lot of people like me

>>213517065
>not at all
What do you mean? Amount of dark and gritty moments in the Empire Strikes Back certainly higher than ANH.
>star wars is rarely shot on preexisting real world locations like is frequently done in andor
One of the main planets in Prequel Trilogy is Naboo, and it's mostly based on real world locations. The rest is just Coruscant and desert planet (Tatooine/Geonosis)

>>213514724 (OP)
>>213514826
>literally nobody mentions or talks about it again
>Andor was absolutely fucking boring as fuck slop along with Rogue One
>no ayyliums

Immense bloat for 'character development' compounded by 5 intended seasons truncated into the 2nd. Didn't stay on the genre rails that kept Season 1 interesting (Spy Thriller, Prison Break, Heist). Aiming high elevates nothing if it doesn't hit the mark.

>>213515470
>IMAGINE IF THEY RIGGED IT WITH THERMAL DETONATORS BRO HOLY SHIT!!!!! KINO

WHY he doesn't even though this is the case: Lonnie's standing outside. He knows he's burned. It's stupid, but it's all tits up anyways-- and not drawing additional heat gives his stepdaughter time to GTFO. These are the kind of logistical setup-payoff questions that are supposed to happen in a writing room; the DIRECTOR AUTEUR shibboleth needs to die if the big studios want to make anything good the old way.

>>213519128
>Immense bloat for 'character development
Good joke.