Can you have 1 beer without needing 20?

No

>>213604319 (OP)
no thats why i want to quit

>>213604458
>>213604475
why not?
just dont grab another beer lol

>>213604319 (OP)
I'm too apathetic to even have one.

>>213604529
thats a whole different scenario
drinking one and not being compelled to drink another is different to having none

>>213604527
Because beer tastes like liquid shit (all alcohol does) the whole point in drinking is to get drunk.

No. I’m all or nothing when I drink.

>>213604564
That's what I'm saying. Life was actually better when I was an alcoholic. At least there was one thing I enjoyed as opposed to none.

>>213604612
>>213604475
>>213604458
Can I ask you guys why this is for you? I want to know what happens to you in your brain that makes you unable to stop drinking once you start? Is it a choice or does your brain switch over into a fiendish insatiable need?

>>213604319 (OP)
No, I always drink until I pass out or it's empty.

>>213604671
Its similar to sex, once you start you NEED to finish. But unlike sex there is no finish line when drinking.

>>213604671
Well it takes 2 to even feel anything and by that point you might as well have 3, but that's all.

>>213604671
>Just one more game bro... Then we will call it a night
>repeat that x50 times

>>213604671
What’s the point in drinking alcohol if I’m not going to get drunk?
There is absolutely zero point in consuming alcohol if not for the effects.

>>213605128
To get a slight buzz? 3-5 beers?

>>213605086
>>213605108
>>213604679
Im this same way. I never was able to stop, but none of my friends were the same way, which is why I dont have any friends anymore, and also dont drink anymore.

>>213605351
Nah. It makes me sleepy if I have 5 or 6. I enjoy the act of drinking too.

>>213604319 (OP)
I can only have 3-4 beers when i have to go for a drive. Maybe during social events where not having a drink in hand makes people think less of you. With friends i try to time it taking two shots every 30 minutes or so, an enjoyable buzz. By myself i see no better option other than consuming as much alcohol as possible in a very short timeframe, it is the better option, to get as fucked up as possible, forget life

>>213605369
Right on. I could never stop either. I just know that other people can and could never understand

>>213605351
I don't get a slight buzz. I have to go pretty hard to feel anything or else I'm just slamming tons of calories for no reason.

>>213605397
>By myself i see no better option other than consuming as much alcohol as possible in a very short timeframe, it is the better option, to get as fucked up as possible, forget life
This is another thing. None of my friends ever drank alone and got hammered. Only me. And I fucking loved it. Just speed running getting ultra drunk in the safety of your room alone feels so beautiful .. worst you can do is make a phone call to a friend or get black out drunk and sext your friends wife

>>213605429
>sext your friends wife
That hot bitch loves it.

>>213605429
I had to stop with it because i started passing the fuck out, waking up in my bed full of blood, with wounds from falling out and hitting my table or some other object. Only benzos and opiates for me now, thank God

>>213605462
Shes had a crush on me for years. She says so in front of her husband, my friend, to me.. how handsome i am.. how she would have married me instead of her husband. Idk its kinda fucked desu

>>213605507
Oh right on. That blows. I stopped because I almost died and saw my sad cry for the first time in my life which fuvked me up

>>213604319 (OP)
I was hanging out with 5 friends one time and there was only a 12 pack left, so I took it, went home, drank and played video games and they blew up my phone asking where the beer was. Im a piece of shit

>>213604319 (OP)
>I don’t know Marty, can you have 1 woman? Can you mow your own yard?

>>213604671
no, its just fun

>>213605567
woah? why not just buy your own

also drinking alone defeats the purpose

>>213605567
lol they gonna murder you bro , when they ask you to go camping/hunting/vacation dont go

>>213605604
Can't buy alcohol after 2 am and I just wanted to leave. They dont talk to me anymore dont worry

>>213605651
They just stopped inviting me

>>213604319 (OP)
Yeah if I was trying to get drunk I'd be drinking vodka not fucking beer.

>>213605514
Your friend is a loser.

>>213605907
Nah hes cool. Shes cruel.

Two beers is enough for me, three beers is definitely not enough.

>>213604319 (OP)
No, I'm an alcoholic. 22 days sober

>>213605604
>also drinking alone defeats the purpose
How else am I supposed to get drunk by myself?

>>213606084
Nice. Im at 401

>>213606205
Its fucking terrible by the way. Sobriety i mean >>213606084

>>213606084
>22 days sober
so you cured alcoholism. you deserve a drink

>>213606205
401? a beer never hurt nobody

Finishing a 12 pack of pounders right now

>>213604319 (OP)
at a certain point, a sneed without feed is seedy

Yeah but only because beer is shit. I smoke a lot of weed

>>213604458
no i'm my life 5th already

>>213606359
You seem drunk
Are you drunk?

>>213604671
>Can I ask you guys why this is for you?


here you go champ:

Alcohol becomes addictive due to several physiological mechanisms that alter brain chemistry and function over time. Here's a breakdown of the key factors:
How Alcohol Affects the Brain
• Dopamine Release: Alcohol triggers the release of dopamine in the brain’s reward system, creating feelings of pleasure and reinforcing the behavior of drinking.
• Neurotransmitter Disruption: It alters levels of neurotransmitters like GABA and glutamate, which regulate mood, inhibition, and arousal. This can lead to both calming effects and impaired judgment.
• Tolerance Development: With repeated use, the brain adapts by reducing its response to alcohol, requiring more to achieve the same effect—this is tolerance.
• Withdrawal Symptoms: When alcohol is removed, the brain struggles to rebalance, leading to withdrawal symptoms like anxiety, tremors, and even seizures. This discomfort can drive continued use.
• Brain Structure Changes: Chronic alcohol use can damage areas involved in decision-making, impulse control, and emotional regulation, making it harder to quit.
The Addiction Cycle
According to neuroscience research, addiction develops through a cycle:
1. Binge/Intoxication – Seeking pleasure and reward.
2. Withdrawal/Negative Affect – Drinking to avoid discomfort.
3. Preoccupation/Anticipation – Craving and obsessing over alcohol.
These changes are reinforced by the brain’s plasticity—its ability to adapt—which means addiction can become deeply ingrained, but also that recovery is possible with proper support.

>>213604319 (OP)
Is this a uh... philosophical question?

>>213606376
tipsy hence missing the word "on" in my sentence

>>213604527

>>213606387
Its as straightforward question as it gets

>>213604319 (OP)
Beer? I need gin.

>>213606084
I'm at about 24 hours. I have 10 beers in the fridge but that's not enough to do anything so they're just sitting there until the store opens and I can get more.

>>213604671
monke brain needs to feel pleasure as much as possible
alcohol, when considering its ease of access and time to kick in, is logically the best way to achieve this
therefore monke needs to consume as much alcohol as possible

>>213604319 (OP)
1 is enough, alcohol tastes like shit.
just stop pretending you like it and your life will be better

>>213606508
taste is irrelevant when getting drunk is a possibility

>>213606381
My question is moreso why we have no discipline to stop once we start whereas others can have 2 beers and stop without question. Dont reply to me again.

often neglected is how bad beer is for you aside from just the alcohol. it's insane people have so many. so many calories, all carbs, which is all converted to glucose and ups your blood sugar. combined with the alcohol which is literal poison.

>>213606508
Your brain associates that shit taste pleasure after drinking many times. Just like how Pavlov's dog salivates after the sound cue.

>drank heavily from 2019-2021
>started drinking again 8 months ago
>can go through a pint of liquor in less than a day ez
>26 year old khv
>intense social anxiety
>zero social life
>have never stepped foot in a bar
how cooked am i

>>213606574
Liquid bread is delicious

>>213606629
alcohol is as degenerate as heroin just fucking quit

>>213606614
That's nonsense, plenty of fermented foods are acquired tastes. It's not because you're a conditioned dog that you're eating sauerkraut

>>213604319 (OP)
One beer does nothing to me. I can drink a liter of vodka a night. Yes I am unironically dying. My heart is fucked.

>>213606644
if i'm gonna spend all day in my room i might as well get drunk

>>213606671
stop being so self-defeating faggot ur punishing yourself because you hate what you are so become something else

im just gonna not drink

>>213604592
>tastes like liquid shit (all alcohol does)
You've really never had a good wine?

>>213606727
i kneel (i'm incapable of doing this)

>>213606671
The one good thing about booze is that if you just don’t start you generally don’t feel cravings for more. Also solo drinkers are pathetic

@213606542
It's because you are addicted so it's harder to break that cycle I outlined the physiological reasons for this. It's not discipline for other people they're just get a slight buzz then stop because they aren't addictive and their brain isn't screaming at them to have another and another to get more and more drunk because the brain is addicted to the dopamine rush.

Then when you get properly addicted as others have outlined then tolerance becomes a problem you can't just have one to achieve a buzz you need at least three and then the brain wants to get even more drunk so you kick on to 5 or 6 and the vicious cycle continues until you've had 10 or more and you pass out.

>>213604319 (OP)
If I'm at home, yes, if I'm at the bar, no.

>>213606084
Good on ya, man, keep it up.

>>213604671
It's the latter. I know when my switch turns on. It's after 2 high % beers or 3 standard units in under an hour and a half but 20 min absorption time per unit. Anything less I can stop pretty easily. Checked my pulse and blood pressure every 5 minutes, was very autistic about it. Bloodpresurre rockets up after that and I'm off to the races.

>>213606629
Damn dude bars in your 20s is fun. You dont have any friends do you

>>213606629
You've never overpaid for drinks. That's pretty based.

>>213606969
Mine switch flips after the first sip. I really lost everything as a result.

>>213604319 (OP)
Yeah when I'm alone
If I'm drinking with other people I just keep going, and I think that's an issue

Why does this board have so many alcoholics?

>>213607055
Because drinking while watching movies or shows is easy.

>>213607034
Interesting, I can drink a sip of straight liquor and be fine, but more than a shot and then a sip in 20 min and I'm fucking blacking out for sure especially starting with hats stuff.

>>213607055
Watching kino while drunk and alone makes it amazing

>>213607078
Yeah i mean youre pretty much right there with me. I started doing it everyday for a year starting in the morning . Ruined my brain, lost all my friends, dick wouldn't get hard w my oneitis

>>213604319 (OP)
Yes.
I'd rather have 5 though.

>>213607116
>starting in the morning
Oof, that is the beginning of the end times man. Been there twice and it was pure hell, wound up in the hospital twice, lucky I'm not dead.

>>213606629
sounds pretty normal to me, you'll be fine

>>213605514
>how she would have married me instead of her husband
bruh. Sounds like you could twist his arm into letting you cuck him

You retards are so fucking weak willed. I'm a raging alcoholic, I have about 50 bottles standing in arms reach and have no trouble not drinking any right now.

>>213607209
You are just a binge drinker and not an alcoholic. Count your blessings

>>213607209
50 bottles of what? Post pics

I can have 1 while needing 20.
I've quit booze for 3-4 months many times over the years and I always came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth it. I've never considered myself an alcoholic. If I drink during the week it's 1-2 beers at most, and I don't even get stone drunk at t he weekends anymore. I just need to take a break from myself now and then and drinking is the only way I know to achieve this.

>>213607158
Hah same here man. Twice. Sober now

>>213604319 (OP)
no
i either have to drink until i black out or just not drink at all

>>213607189
She said that in front of him.. I had to scold her. And im not interested.

>>213607304
After one sip does your brain go into insatiable fiend mode?

>>213607324
NTA but two 50ml shots of 50% liquor does it for me. Add weed, cigs/dip or coke and I'm fucking done.

>>213607324
yep cant help myself

>>213607221
I want to drink right now. I would feel better if I did. But now is not the time.

>>213607225
Mostly belgian beer, image related times 6. Takes up the entire bookshelf in my office. I also have a stash of cheap lager and vodka for when I simply want to get drunk.

>>213607434
>Mostly belgian beer
Giga based

>>213607673
>double the strength
>tastes amazing
What's not to like?

>>213604319 (OP)
I'll drink everything in the house. It's why I wait weeks or months in between liquor store runs. My dry times can only happen when there's nothing in the house to reach for.

>>213606727
Very based and strong of mind.

>>213604671
Alcohol makes us feel a kind if euphoria you can't really get normally. I'd value the alcohol "high" 3x as strong as busting a nut in a woman you live. When I start drinking it literally feels like I'm in heaven. Naturally, my body doesn't want this to stop. And I won't stop. I know what the consequences will be but it doesn't matter. It's a compulsion

>>213604319 (OP)
God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time;
Enjoying one moment at a time;
Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;
Taking, as He did, this sinful world
as it is, not as I would have it;
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His Will;
That I may be reasonably happy in this life
and supremely happy with Him
Forever in the next.
Amen.

>>213604319 (OP)
I drank a 1.75L of Skol vodka today. I work at my local DMV.

>>213607828
Isn't that part of the job description?

>>213605429
Man I miss this so much. Sober for 15 months now, it's miserable. I just want one night off out of my head.

>>213607828
Working at the DMV sounds like hell.

>>213607844
Try microdosing psilocybin if you are bored with sobriety. It helped me.

>>213604458
fpbp

>>213605514
Hot.

>>213606542
Retard

>>213607861
I have no friends I can't acquire psilocybin

>>213604319 (OP)
I had 2 beers and one cocktail last weekend and had a 2 day hangover. bros, what a life is not my life.

>>213607722
The farts

>>213607924
Spores may be legal in your cunt

>>213607924
I don't know where you live but you can legally buy kits to grow shrooms. You buy the substrate in bags and can buy cultures to grow. It's pretty cheap.

>>213604671
Let's reverse the question: what satisfaction do you get out of 1-3 beers that I don't? I technically don't know what drinking is like for normals.

>>213607861
What kind of dosage are we talking about? I've been thinking about this. Seems basically free and pretty harmless way to get a some kind of a "feeling" going without drowning myself in expensive shit that fucks up my body.

>>213604319 (OP)
Beer is shit drink
i prefer 70% vodka or isopropyl alcohol from hand sanitizer

>>213607924
Psilocybe semilanceata, the strongest psychoactive mushroom, grows wild and abundant in all white countries on Earth.

>>213608048
I started out with .08 grams which is small but it worked for me. I dosed daily which I wouldn't recommend in retrospect. I would start off 1 day on, one day off. You can go between 0.1-0.3 grams, which is pretty standard.

>>213606230
401 chug it faggot

>>213608087
Thanks. You really get something out of it with so low doses? I thought there would be a threshold and anything less wouldn't do anything. And isn't there like a "reverse tolerance", that they don't even work if you keep taking them daily?

>>213608143
>You really get something out of it with so low doses?
Yes. The goal is to reset your brain, not feel a buzz. Even at 0.08 grams, I felt a slight body high the first time I took it but it wasn't much. The biggest benefit I've had from microdosing is being able to control my stress response to things, and being able to analyze how my body interacts with my mind and vice-versa. It takes time and effort to accomplish this. The shrooms are just a tool to make it easier. They won't do it on their own.

>>213605351
5 beers is drunk, with a hangover the next day. i usually go to sleep after 5-8 beers

>>213604319 (OP)
What’s the point? I’m drinking beer to catch a buzz. It’s a diuretic, so I’m clearly not drinking it for hydration, and the taste is honestly just something that I tolerate.

>>213604319 (OP)
i want to stop drinking beer because of the calories and carbs. what would be a better option to drink? spritzer? vodka with coke zero?

>>213608212
Sure. Just to be clear, are we talking about some "pure psilocybin extract" with those dosages or mushrooms? I figured dried mushrooms.

I come from a line of alcoholics, yet I can easily take or leave alcohol but struggle not to eat like a pig. I wonder which is worse

>>213608444
when you abstain for some time, a single beer can boost mood and lower stress.

>>213604319 (OP)
Yes, I don't want to stop at a small amount but I do. There is no okay this is enough I didn't want anymore amount of beer like there is no okay this is enough amount of chips or pizza. It's just that you have to make a limit or suffer the consequences.

>>213608473
>are we talking about some "pure psilocybin extract"
No, I've never tried it. I'm talking about just good old fashioned caps and stems. I used to turn them into powder and pill them. I liked this because it creates a uniform blend. Depending on the strain, certain parts of the mushroom are more potent, sometimes it's the stem, sometimes the cap but often the knuckles are most potent. If you chop it up into powder and mix it, you avoid accidentally dosing too high. However, I'm at a point where I just eat a small amount without pilling them up. I will typically test the potency by tripping on the weekends recreationally.

>>213608572
Thanks. Good talk. Might try it next weekend.

>>213604319 (OP)
while I understand most people here are loner faggots, am I an alcoholic if I always go out to bars with friends and get blackout drunk ~2 days a week?
I'm talking going out at 8 PM and coming back home at roughly 6 AM, 11 AM if the night was fun

>>213608816
Depends on your age

>>213608824
29

>>213604319 (OP)
Oompa loompas beat the fuck out of my black son in 1997.

>>213604319 (OP)
No. I might have to have 30.
I can't drink anymore. I don't know where I'll wake up and if I'll wake up.

>>213604656
You were lucky to get out when you could still get any enjoyment out of it. At my end I was drinking so fast that I couldn't enjoy it at all. Straight to blackout. And the blackouts would somehow retroactively erase my memory too, so I'd only remember my first couple drinks and not up until the 17th or whichever one would black me out. Not a lot is understood about the progressive element of destructive drinking. And it's different for everyone.
Whoever is able to stay sober is damn fortunate.

>>213604319 (OP)
No, until your alcohol intake starts affecting your health and you have to go completely sober or just go full bore in on your life ending vice. I stopped as soon as my blood panels started getting even slightly elevated. You can do whatever you want though. I don’t feel like I’m missing out on my old life.

>>213608907
That's nothing, wait til you hear what happened my pal in 1992

>>213605514
This sounds like the delusional hallucinations of an alcoholic kek

>>213609041
That was a hot summer as I remember it.

>>213604319 (OP)
just here for my beers marty

>>213604671
Normal people don't respond this way to alcohol. It's an allergy. If you don't have it you can never understand. I will drink until I can't stand up to get more. I've drank so much I couldn't get out of bed except for diarrhea for 3 days. Total alcohol poisoning. Dry heaves with burning yellow bile. I must never return to boozing. What a nightmare. And yet every day a taste sounds like a nice idea.

>>213604319 (OP)
If I can't have at least 6 I'd rather not drink.

>>213605429
I don't miss that life. I lost a friend that way.

>>213604592
Child lol

>>213609054
maybe he is so fat and ugly, they're prolly mocking him lol

>>213604458
this guy gets it

>>213609021
That happened me. You can't unring the bell once the kindling and hallucinations start. I'm done with alcohol but I still wish I could go back.

>>213609480
Knowing you can never go back is how you stay sober.

>>213604592
how's elementary school going?

>>213607821
Based aa member

>>213609509
I failed going sober over 15 times before this shit forced me to. 18 months now. I used to struggle like hell just to make it to 6 weeks. I fear ever accidentally having a beer now and it not killing me, I'd go right back if another drink did anything but put me in horrific withdrawal.

>>213605042
I only finish with a sissygasm and the majority of men can't get me there