>Hey remember when the Night Kang bought a baby from that weird guy that was like the main villain of the entire Jon Snow plot for 10 episodes of seasons 2 and turned him into some kind of baby walker, clearly hinting at the night kang being intelligent and having some kind of grand plan?
>NAH FUCK IT'S JUST ZOMBIE SKYNET NOW, HE WON'T HAVE A SINGLE LINE BUT IT'S OK IT'S GONNA BE EPIC, YOU SEE, ARYA CAN STAB HIM WITH THE VERY THING THAT MADE HIM OR SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS AND HE JUST SHATTERS LIKE GLASS AND STUFF, THAT'S EPIC IT'S LIKE POETRY I'M IN TEARS JUST WRITING THIS

>>213660722 (OP)
making 4 whole seasons with no books to base them off should have never happened

>>213660722 (OP)
speaking of which - do you think the show was actually much closer to what GRR Martin had envisioned than we thought and it is due to all the negative feedback that he decided to redo a lot of it and cant seem to be able to fix it?

>>213660722 (OP)
lmao'ing at this lil ugly nigga rn

>>213660815
In fairness, there was no way to have known Martin was going to be the most uselessiest useless cunt to have ever useless cunted and never write another sentence for the series.

>>213660722 (OP)
>kang being intelligent

how does he getting kill contradicts this?
The night king is intelligent.
I think the baby became one of this general, I think said generals are actually in the show, ahead of his army.
I dont know anon, thee show ended and was forgotten 10 years ago

But all the mysteries in GOT were not supposed to be explained. Why do you feel entitled to know it all?

DABID

>>213660815
It's Martin's fault for being a lazy fat fuck who is incapable of finishing what he started. Great beginnings are meaningless less when all the started plot points never get resolved. Any retard can start stories. Only actually talented creators can finish them properly.

>>213660901
>you're not allowed to criticize lazy storytelling

>>213660901
>Big bad villain of the show
>Ends with less plot development than fucking Euron Greyjoy who was introduced as a joke character in the last few arcs of the series
Are you retarded or do you work for HBO?

They should've scrapped the white walkers entirely.

>>213660933
what if s5-8 were actually directed with close consultation from martin and he felt bad about what he wrote after the immense backlash and then got lost trying to rewrite it, which seems like an unsurmountable task given the 100 plotlines?

>>213660857
>the more he ate the less he wrote

>>213660976
>>Big bad villain of the show

how the fuck is he the villain?
He is the good guy. Life favors some and ignore others, but in death we are all equal, cold, silent and canon fodder of the night king.

>>213660846
I doubt it, i mean, if you look at the books it's completely different. In the show Euron Greyjoy is a meme character, in the books he's a main villain on par with NK and Cersei and with grand goals that are going to shake up everything. Bran's plot is way more complex than just an autistic kid becoming king, and the great Other, NK and etc are supposed to get developed further and their motivations revealed, especially considering that in the book canon the NK is supposed to be a former commander of the Night's Watch and an evil Three Eyed Raven/Greenseer. It's just not possible to have the same ending.

>>213660996
Without the WW and magic GOT is just a medieval play.

*high pitched voice*
WHEERE ARRE MYY, DRAAAGOOOONS

>>213661081
ah I see, didnt know it was that different.
makes sense.
the books still get celebrated a lot but yeah. GRR is doing too much sidework on all these shows, theyll never finish

>>213661081
Euron Squidchad is the ultimate incel filter. Every thread you have some raging sperging absolutely seething that Euron Squidchad chads about all over GoT and isn’t some gay cringe wizard. All bookcels are like this
>hurr durr I’m on the television and film board but I can read hurr durr muh book is better hurr durr look at me I’m so smart I can read
It just reeks of intellectual insecurities.

>>213661289
It's not any different from capecoomers discussing bad capeshit adaptations. If you don't like the topic, move on.

>>213661289
The hightower wizard finna btfo his gaysquid

The problem with the walkers is that the build up to them (“winter is coming”) is cooler than the actual white walkers attacking


really the only way the show could’ve been interesting is if the white walkers won and took over the continent. Not sure how you could have a satisfying ending from that but still would’ve been a lot more interesting than what we got

yes, we are tarnigyans from the islands

>>213661382
Well from what we know that's actually what happened last time. The WW almost took over everything, the world turned into a never-ending winter, even as far as the south, until NK or his predecessor got BTFO'd by Azor Ahai.

wtf was the point of Bran gaining vision powers?
They kept building on it to just never really do anything in the end

>>213661659
The implication is that he did the same thing everyone else would do. Watch random people have sex.

>>213661081
Not to mention lady stoneheart

why did they put the siege weapons outside of the walls

>>213661910
They're rednecks - they keep all their random shit out in the front yard.

>>213660722 (OP)
what happened to the baby wight when the night king got murdered

>>213661005
I think he just doesn't know how to tie his ever expanding universe back in to a coherent ending, book 4 and 5 just went sideways because he was stuck and moved all the important plot points to book 6

>>213660857
Dude’s probably burnt out and tired of dealing with a massively caustic and autistic manchild fanbase. I too would spend my days fucking around with wolves and posting about my sanctuary, normiecore ‘current thing’ opinions, and anything but ASOIAF content just to enjoy the constant spergouts from these absolute losers.

>>213661382
At least have the walkers win at Winterfell and have them push south toward King's Landing. As long as they were rushing the final couple seasons and shitting the bed with the writing that wasn't going to happen though. Honestly cracks with the show were already showing up in season 4. The show was at its peak in the first two seasons when they had to keep the budget low and focus on the writing.

>>213662331
>At least have the walkers win at Winterfell and have them push south toward King's Landing.
That's the worst part. If you look at the map Winterfell is still really far up north. It's just a hop skip and a jump away from the wall which means the dreaded White Walkers and their terrifyingly spooky invasion of seven kingdoms... Made it about the distance I drive every day to buy a pack of smokes into the kingdoms before petering out. What the fuck anti-climactic doesn't even begin to describe that why was anybody ever afraid of them to begin with?

>>213662146
He just writes slow. It's been calculated, the Winds of Winter will come out in 2030 at the earliest.

>>213662042
The main theory is that NK, being a greenseer/warg himself, can't die, and can transfer his consciousness to other bodies, supposedly the body of the other WWs that also share his same mind, and maybe that baby is supposed to grow into another WW/body, but apparently they all die together with the NK, at least according to the show, so who the fuck knows.

>>213662630
but he wrote the first 3 books in like 5 years, it wasn't until after storm that he slowed to a glacial pace and started branching out and delaying plot points

Brans had like 3 chapters in 25 years

>>213662183
George is a fat liberal loser that spends half his time sperging about Trump and the other half eating ice cream out of a hooker's asshole. Hard to be a writer like that.

>>213662808
Cope, 2030 is the earliest possible date, that is if he hasn't given up by now.

>>213662848
cope with what? I just said he writes incredibly slow dipshit

d&d kinda forgot that setups must have payoffs

just hire someone to finish the books for you, you fat fuck, we all know youre gonna die before finishing them anyway
also, in the show they should have gone full WoW and did a "there must always be a night king" with bran becoming the next one and leading the zombies back north, like who cares its shit anyway, might as well make it funny

>>213661081
You say this like the series isn't mainly famous for killing off important characters and brushing their plots off for the most part. I guarantee the original plan was the ending we got but the journey there was different for the most part. Still, no one was ever gonna be okay with Bran being king and Jon's true heritage amounting to nothing. I want to say most people would have been okay with Dany turning into a psycho because that's something that has always been there, but after the general audience's reaction I doubt Martin even wants to think about it.

>>213663162
You know that might actually be a thing in the book because the actual NK is not supposed to be the OG NK or the Great Other (Whoever that guy is, might not even be a corporeal thing like Rh'lor and the other Gods or maybe it's the identity of the supposed rogue COTF/greenseer that is driving the WW army from a corrupted heart tree far off in the Heart of Winter like some of the Bran chapters seemed to hint at.

>>213660722 (OP)
How is babby formed?
How is babby formed?
How king get praegnet?

>>213660722 (OP)
Keep seething OP, also, Dany did nothing wrong

>>213662808
He wrote three books in five years because he was hungry. He doesn't need to do anything ever again these days

>>213663283
how many chicken dinners can grumm buy with his fortune

>>213661005
It doesn’t track.
The sample chapters of winds wouldn’t have stopped at cut chapters from dance if he had more to show for it. All evidence indicates he’s written literally nothing, which wouldn’t be the case if he’d been steadily writing only to see the backlash and pull a 180.
You have to remember that normalfags are it up even during the worst parts of s7

>>213663210
>I guarantee the original plan was the ending we got but the journey there was different for the most part
So, it's pretty much completely different. Sure, we know Dany losing it is a thing, but if the whys and hows of that are not the same, then it's a new story. It's not the same. It's like saying Smallville and MoS are the same because both feature Superman fighting Zod.

>>213663282
Fuck is that a goatee stubble i see below her lips? thanks for killing the boner; i thought that was the only thing GOT couldn't destroy.

>>213663359
The thing is no one is gonna hate the "Superman fights Zod" plot point no matter the incarnation, but it has already been proven that no one is happy with useless Jon, king character that barely exists, crazy Dany and, most importantly, the end of the fucking world amounting to nothing

>>213663282
You seem like you're mentally ill. You're upset when someone mentions that the writing of GOT became awful and you like Dany. Mentally ill freak

>>213663417
>Dabid, why are you filming my scenes first?

>In March 2020, Martin stated that he was writing The Winds of Winter every day, and in June he hoped to be done with it in 2021.

A Dance with Dragons came out in 2011.

>>213663486
You still don't get it. People don't hate crazy Dany, people hate the terrible setup. The way they wrote this in the show it's like Dany had nerves of steel until she meets Cersei and then suddenly loses her mind. There's no reason for her to go apeshit in King's Landing because she had a flying nuke sniper weapon that could be used to just take out her main targets.

>>213663417
>Big nose
>Small lips
>Alopecia
WW are kikes confirmed.

>>213663574
At this point it's just sad more than anything else. He knows he can't finish the books. We know he can't finish the books. He knows we know he can't finish the books but he still pretends to be
>writing every day
The only one he's fooling is himself. I'm sure he sincerely believes that someday soon, he's just going to sit down and bang out the remaining chapters and release his magnum opus. But he's going to keep putting that someday off forever. Maybe he's not feeling good today so he'll try again tomorrow.
Ahh he had to go do a con tomorrow so he'll try again next week.
Damn he spent all week writing nonsensical political screeds on his blog instead, oh well, there's always next week.
It's time to stop pretending, George.

>5 books in 15 years
>0 books in 14 years

>>213663613
Nerves of steel? Bitch she tried to burn half the people she met alive throughout the whole show. She was always her father's daughter and it was always up to her tard wranglers to reign it in. How so many people went all that time thinking she wasn't a psycho is wild to me.

>>213663613
>People don't hate crazy Dany, people hate the terrible setup.
No, just a bookfag cope to distance gurm from his mess.
People hated crazy Dany because they they unironically loved her as girlboss.
And they hated because shocking swerves like Ned's death and the Red Wedding are exciting in the early part of the series, but feel cheap and manipulative in the finale

>>213663705
The TV show started out 3 months before his 5th book and would last 8 years

If it took him 5 years to write the 5th book, and the TV show lasts 8 years. They probably thought the 6th would release and the 7th would be over halfway done by the time the show ends.

When the producers realized he had only rough drafts for book 6 and jackshit for book 7, they came up with their own shit to end the series.

>>213663705
Every time he imagine something mildly interesting for that book, he realises somebody else already wrote it on some forum out there.

>>213663879
>When the producers realized he had only rough drafts for book 6 and jackshit for book 7, they came up with their own shit to end the series.
im 99% sure thats why D&D wanted to bail as much as they did. they knew there was no way to end it well and they just wanted out and hoped they could salvage something of their careers when it was all said and done.
im not absolving them of their guilt because their writing sucked ass but its pretty obvious GRRM left them holding the bag

>>213663842
I would argue it's the same with Jamie. People shriek about how they 'butchered his redemption arc'. What redemption arc? Throughout the series he's just been an amorall asshole who sometimes does good things because it feels right in the moment. There was never any deeper revelation about changing who he is, and his only constant feature is his toxic devotion to Cersei

>Unga bunga, maybe chop down tree in back for me to use as club like in Hardhome?
>Nah, bro, just rush them with your bare hands #YOLO

>>213663705
GoT was originally supposed to be only 3 books
He kept writing more books with more characters and more subplots that somehow all have to tie together these last 2 books

In 2022 he said he was 75% done with Winds of Winter, going by this snails pace math that means he SHOULD release the 6th book around 2028.

I do not expect him to live long enough to release A Dream of Spring.

>>213663904
1. You'd have to be retarded to think that your writing can only be successful if not a single soul has thought of its twists and developments before
2. It's his own fucking fault giving the fans over a decade to come up with every conceivable theory while waiting for Winds

>>213663990
>You'd have to be retarded to think that your writing can only be successful if not a single soul has thought of its twists and developments before
That or incredibly arrogant which is exactly what GRRM is. He thinks he's a lot more clever and subversive than he actually is and he also gives his audience no credit at all. The fact that everybody figured out Jon was Rhaegar's bastard long before he could write the grand reveal annoyed him, along with a lot of other obvious plot points the fanbase have already predicted.

>>213663931
Well I absolve them.
It's a fucking disgrace that this fat cunt throws every mystery box that came into his head, fucks off with resolving them and then tries to spin it as oh it will be different when I do it when his adaptors crash and burn

>>213663939
100% He was always a dick, just because he got his hand cut off for saying "guys, maybe don't rape the giant knight girl" doesn't excuse him crippling Bran (an failed attempted murder) or all his other bullshit. Having a bit of guilt sometimes and having a soft spot for Brienne doesn't make him a hero.

>>213663931
At some point, maybe around 2016-/+ GRRM must've decided the tv show was going to be closure for the fans as he himself wasn't going to be able to finish the series in time.

>>213664068
yeah but the absolute nonsensical slop D&D wrote in grums absence was a travesty in its own right. where suddenly all of the previously established rules of the story got thrown out the window and now you've got armies teleporting around the continent when convenient and shit like that. they were rushing to get to the end and weren't even trying to write something halfway decent at that point which is just lazy. even if you know it sucks and its hopeless you still gotta try

>>213664063
The funny thing baout Jons parentage is that it's all over the first book, then gets pretty much forgotten after, and seems incapable of actually affecting the wider plot at this point.

I realised this a lot on rereads. Gurm makes a huge deal of some plot point in one book, then literally forgets it in the next.

>>213664111
Teleporting armies and stuff is sloppy but it isn't the story's biggest issue. They literally didn't know what to do with all of these character arcs, let alone how to tie them together, because it branches off way too much in the first place. I'm not sure there's a single satisfying conclusion to any character's story at the end, they all just sort of die unremarkably or get tired and stop trying.

>>213664111
>now you've got armies teleporting around the continent when convenient
I don't get this argument at all. In s1/book 1 the Lannisters conquer most of the Riverlands in five minutes off screen, with no mention of them even raising any army and no reason they would have one on standby.

>>213663842
You're choosing to zoom in particular moments of Dany's life when she actually managed to rule for like what? 10 years? And she never went crazy. Also like i said, she was pretty fine in the last season til they reach KL. She even handled Varys betraying her like a champ. I don't even like Dany btw.

>>213663939
>>213664083
Never post on my threads again, brainlets.

I haven't watched the last season since it aired and I may be foggy on the details but what became of the Vale? I legitimately don't remember what happened to them. Like they had an army that Littlefinger raised to go save Jon in that really shitty Battle of the Bastards episode but then... What happened to them? They should have theoretically had the largest, most intact army out of all of the kingdoms but I don't remember them doing anything but save Jon in one episode.

>>213664366
>no reply
concession accepted

>>213663720
If the trend continues, there's going to be -5 books within next 13 years

>GRRM wrote too many characters with too many subplots that he doesn't know how to end in a satisfying way
>Make shit ton of money on a TV show
>Throws producers under the bus by never releasing the last 2 books
>6 years after the season finale disaster, 11 years since the 5th book, he still hasn't released Winds of Winter

>He's going to die of a heart attack and leave millions of fans unfulfilled

>>213660815
fagtin did tell them how the story would go so wouldn't been much different

>>213664345
She went a little crazy now and then, but the people around her regularly shamed her out of going too far over and over again. Too many for her to be considered a rational and sane individual. A mentally sound person doesn't need an inner circle of advisors to keep them from just occasionally committing sadistic atrocities.

>>213664366
Your sister never loved you Jamie, she fucked your cousin every time you left the city.

>>213664374
Well they didn't even care when Sansa murdered their lord protector, Littlefinger, under little actual evidence besides the word of a crippled Jedi. I think Sansa probably took his place and is ruling the Vale until Sweetrobin grows up.

>>213664441
Again i'm not arguing that Dany is of a perfect sound mind, i'm saying that the way they wrote her downfall is down there on the Anakin Skywalker tier crap.

>>213660722 (OP)
I remember when this episode aired and the whole asoiaf fandom went ballistic because we haven't seen anything like this about the others

>>213664422
>GRRM wrote too many characters with too many subplots that he doesn't know how to end in a satisfying way
This I would like to reiterate because it's pretty much the same thing that killed Disney's Star Wars: it's really fucking easy to write an intriguing mystery, but it takes skill to properly resolve it.

>>213664419
>all knowledge of his previous 5 books is erased and we can pretend this whole debacle never happened
I can live with that

>>213660722 (OP)
>Season six, talk like a normal person
>SEASON HURR DURR ALL CAPS, LE EPIC SARCASM
this is not a critique

>>213664520
Well the books had them buying Craster babies as well, and apparently he worshipped them. It's pretty much hinted that the Others have a society far off in the Heart of Winter, they are ruled by NK, a former commander of the Night's Watch and possibly a Stark, and his wife the Corpse Queen. Their God is the great Other who might be a rogue Greenseer and the actual enemy of Bran and Bloodraven. It's too bad we are never gonna get any further than this. There was supposed to be a HBO Jon Snow spin-off featuring the Others but it was cancelled.

>massive threat of undead monsters waiting behind the wall to take over the world while mortal rulers engage in petty politics
>ok let's kill all of these monsters in 5 minutes so we can go back to politics

>>213664563
JJ Abrams tried to bail on the sequel trilogy too, only to be forced back after Johnson shit the bed. I wish gurm had that kind of ability forced on him

>>213661659
>Sansa...

>>213660722 (OP)
that baby has the skull of yakub

>enhances your Thrones

>>213664623
which is dumb because at that point the political shit was already played out. after cersei became queen it stopped making any sense or even having any purpose. the white walkers should have been the endgame, not a sidequest that is resolved in one episode

>>213661659
Just one of many character plots that fizzled off and didn't go anywhere. A time traveling manipulator trying to fix the shitshow that is Westeros could be a whole story in itself, but they tried to cram him in as a side character so all he ended up being was a creepy voyeur that everyone decided to prop up on the throne instead of the thematic main character who has spent the whole story learning how to be a leader.

>>213663931
>there was no way to end it well
false. the key plot points could have been strung together well.
they just needed editors and to listen to feedback from people that cared, such as the actors

>>213664614
Also there's the whole Euron/Drowned God and the Faceless Men/God/Meisters in the whole clash. That's the actual GOT behind the GOT. ASOIAF is crazy as fuck. If only George wasn't a lazy fat fuck...

>>213664744
>people that cared, such as the actors
holy fuck dude get off reddit

>>213664744
Oh they certainly could have done better and trimmed a lot of fat to make room for the actual plot, but I doubt there's many people who could tie all those threads together. The number of sub-plots he wrote into that story just isn't good writing. Even LOTR splits into four separate threads for a while and that was really too much.

>>213664674
>>213664765
Theorycrafters need to be into a rocket and flown directly into the sun
And on the way a looped voiceover needs to tell them over and over:
>EURON IS BARELY IN THE BOOKS
>EURON IS BARELY IN THE BOOKS
>EURON IS BARELY IN THE BOOKS

>>213664422
It's okay because at this point nobody cares. The show killed the hype.

>>213664933
The show was supposed to be closure since GRRM is never going to finish the series.

But they couldn't even do that right.

>>213660815
The most recent book was released the year the first season was broadcast. They obviously never anticipated Martin to just do nothing for 8 years. Why would they even think he would do that? Had he released at least one book during the height of the show's popularity it would've sold like Harry Potter at its peak.

>>213664849
>He thinks lack of POVs is evidence of relevance
lmao how many POVs does Litttlefinger, Varys, or heck, any meister has?

>>213664817
To be fair to the fat guy, in it's structure LOTR is a much simpler story (which doesn't mean it's bad). ASOIAF is more like if Tolkien tried to write LOTR and The Silmarillion in the same paper and got overwhelmed by the sheer scope of the thing. A more fair comparison would be ASOIAF vs Malazan

>>213665018
Well if you look at the release dates it was already clear he was a slow writer even before the show got started. Now with fame and money the laziness has reached critical mass.

>>213662183
His fanbase is only caustic because he's a useless fat fuck who cant finish the books. If he even took 5 years between books no one would say shit.

>>213665105
leave the man alone he's a good old man who makes goon fantasies well jerk off to for ages to come

>>213664576
Basically what happened. the TV show was so bad even normies just want to totally forget about the series.

>>213665043
Redditor detected.

This dude Carl reccomended the series to me. Bought me the DVD box set of S1. Read the back and was like.... that's a cool premise. Ill read the books.

I read them ALL in a few weeks and I was like.. OK so when is the next book coming out?

He wa like. Oh it took 10 years for dance with dragons.

Fuck you carl.

>>213665043
literally nobody mentioned POV's except you retard, also:
>heck

>>213665294
lel that's why I stopped after I think 2 books, that was a long long time ago. I dont want to start on an epic journey and then be left there without a conclusion.

>>213660846
GRRM was already years into his hiatus when the series started becoming shit. I think he just checked out when it became successful

>>213665225
Aren't normies eating up House of the Dragon tho?

>>213665294
So some dudes just buy you little presents sometimes? Did you thank him properly?

Growing up is realising that there was never anything more to the series, books or TV, than mystery boxes and cheap shocks.
A few kino scenes and characters distract you from the basic truth there is nothing of substance underlining it all, it's a glorified soap opera

>>213665311

Safe hold was a similar torture of naval warfare and hundreds of pages of nothing.

Best book I've read recently was blindsight

>>213665105
First few books only had a gap of two years between them. Even Dance only had 6 years between it and Feast and I'm sure his publishers held back its release to coincide with the release of the show. Expecting a writer to just throw away his supposed magnum opus and stop writing when interest in it hits fever pitch is the kind of thing no one could possibly anticipate.

>>213665294
Based Carl pwning /tv/ noobs

>Danny just kind of forgot about the Iron Fleet

>>213664849
>EURON IS BARELY IN THE BOOKS
criminal that between victarion and euron they decided to put euron in then make him ultra gay and retarded

>>213665324

Yes. Pretty often. I try to get to know people i work with so it wasn't hell. Like. Helped one girl with her book report. She was black and i was like..... here's your final essay " the benefits of slavery " she got an A+ so hard.

I hate work but enjoy the people.

Being a manager was fun. We made lamellar samurai armor out of cardboard one night for hours.

Carl was special. He worked as a prison cook for 20 years and saved like 300k and blew it all in a few years with some girl so was very reserved.

We clicked and had a lot of fun chatting and stuff.

I really hated working though. Its ao awful we just have to slave away all day instead of talking and enjoying our time.

>>213662845
yeah because trump is such a good thing right
holy retard

>>213665342
To be fair the only other writer to experience this adaptation-before-conclusion situation i can think of is JK Rowling and while she did finish the books it's widely accepted by some fans that the last 2 HP books are quite underwhelming and there are elements that show she was influenced by the movies in turn with certain decisions she took. Imagine if Martin decided to write Arya quickstabbing the NK because lesbians thought that was AM-A-ZI-NG?

>>213665344

He had heart papatatiins and destroyed like 5 hard drives being fearful of the contents lol.

God damn I had a motley crew at that store. I would mark down markers and paper so I could make colorful fun work lists with cat people and if you got the work list done I did not fucking bother you, just keep a broom handy in case DM shows up.

Sigh..... I stopped watching the series after season 3

>>213663931
they are WRITERS. if they write dumb shit they deserve shit for it. not to mention the many instances we just publicly know of where actors tried to change scenes or plotlines.

>>213660933
fuck I just got reminded of Harry potter

>>213665426
yeah because showrunners let their actors write their own scenes, lmao retard
>>213665399
Why are GoT threads always absolutely riddled with blatant reddit tourists?

>>213663352
Normalfags just want crowdpleasing endings, which isn't George's style. They'll still seethe that jon would eat shit and daenerys dies even if it's better written.

>>213663971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G4262KfRJY

> The giants kind of forgot the had bows and shit

>>213665639
You're delusional. George hasn't and won't write an ending. Go back to your cope cave.

>>213665652
The fact that episode is so widely praised pisses me off more than anything else. Everything that happens is so dumb and unsatisfying from start to finish.

>>213665294
I read them like a year ago hoping the next one would be out by the time i finished. Nope. Now im in the same boat as all the other fans

>>213665716
What? The battle of the Wall was like the closest they ever got to true LOTR tier kino. The only cringe worthy part is the little kid pwning Jon's hoe out of nowhere. What do you hate about it?

>>213660722 (OP)
Wouldn't exceeding expectations mean Jon fighting the Night King? Like.. double bluffing or whatever. Jesus christ Dumb and Dumber were fucking horrendous I'm glad theyve essentially been blacklisted. They'll literally never recover.

>cancelled The Long Night series
Why?

>>213665717
what species of retardation led you to believe that? It's been obvious gurm doesn't give a fuck about them for a decade now

>>213665803
Battle of the Bastards isn't the same fight, my guy. I'm talking about the one where Jon and Ramsay fight. The one where Jon challenges him to a duel at the start and Ramsay acknowledges that he would probably lose but if he refuses all his northmen forces would ditch him for being a coward, then he refuses and nobody talks about it again anyways. The one where they fill the episode with four minutes of Jon being smothered by a literal hill of corpses that pops up. The one where Jon's whole army gets fenced in by a circular, one rank deep phalanx formation and is rendered completely helpless without surprise cavalry reinforcements. That episode, anon.

It wasn't about the money. George just wanted his name to be compared to Tolkien even if it was just for a second. He didn't give a shit about the rest

>>213665875
He was talking about the battle of the wall you dumb cunt

>>213665904
Not if you actually follow the conversation that started here >>213663971 you ass.

imagine if he suddenly just releases winds of winter and a dream of spring at the same time, each book having over 2000 pages.

>>213665935
its fun to dream sometimes

>>213665935
He hasn't been writing for the past five years.

>>213664933
>The show killed the hype.

The last two books also contributed to the demise of the hype. In the first three books, there were always some POV characters I did not care for. Bran's adventure north of the wall invariably put me to sleep, and it was worse than in the show because it was longer and more detailed. The Daenerys story was became and unforgivable exercise in procrastination, and was again worse than in the show and for the same reason. At this early stage it was already a cumbersome, sprawling tale with a large amount of crap you had to put up with to get to the good stuff (King's Landing).

Then he started adding in sand snakes, Euron, a fake (?) Targaryen, POV narratives for old characters like Cersei, and a ton of other shit we really did not need, like Catelyn coming back as a zombie for another superfluous subplot. He also ruined Tyrion in the bargain. This means that if the last book/s ever arrive, they will spend about 50% of their word count bringing resolution to Shit No One Cares About. I don't have much enthusiasm left for the book series.

>>213665826
If anyone still has any doubt Gurm is a hack: He greenlighted a bunch of nobodies to make up all the past lore for him in TV form.
>In his interview with The New York Times, Martin stressed that the Long Night prequel was "mostly" the creation of Jane Goldman.

>In his own words: If you look at the published books so far, there's really very little material about [the Age of Heroes and the Long Night] — a sentence here, a sentence there. Old Nan tells a tale that takes up a paragraph. So Jane had to create the characters, the settings and some of the events, and we had to look at everything that was said and say, "O.K., here’s what was said at this point, we need to make it consistent to that." We kicked around some ideas and I made some suggestions. But mostly it's been Jane running with it.[4]

I wish now it didn't get cancelled, it probably would have been cringe kino to talk about here.

>>213662183
>Dude’s probably burnt out and tired of dealing with a massively caustic and autistic manchild fanbase
Bullshit. BULLSHIT
>1996: A Game of Thrones is released
>1997: Nothing happens
>1998: A Clash of Kings is released
>1999: Nothing happens
>2000: A Storm of Swords is released
>2001: Nothing happens
>2002: Nothing happens
>2003: Nothing happens
>2004: Nothing happens
>2005: A Storm of Swords is released
>2006: Nothing happens
>2007: Nothing happens
>2008: Nothing happens
>2009: Nothing happens
>2010: Nothing happens
>2011: A Dance with Dragons is released, the Game of Thrones tv show begins
>2012: Nothing happens
>2012: Nothing happens
>2013: Nothing happens
>2014: Nothing happens
>2015: Nothing happens
>2016: Nothing happens
>2017: Nothing happens
>2018: Nothing happens
>2019: The Game of Thrones tv show ends
>2020: Nothing happens
>2021: Nothing happens
>2022: Nothing happens
>2023: Nothing happens
>2024: Nothing happens
>2025: Nothing happens [You Are Here]

He was already becoming a lazy fat fuck before the tv show even started. All that did was hypercharge his laziness.

>>213661081
>in the books he's a main villain on par with NK
The night king doesn't even exist in the books, retard.

>>213666439
Just because he hasn't appeared yet it doesn't mean he isn't out there. We know the legend of Night's King ends with him getting killed, but that's just a legend. Someone is commanding the Others, whether a commander on foot or the Great Other.

>>213660846
definitely what grrm envisioned. they did cooperate closely with D&D with showing his notes and ideas etc. Bran ending up as the ultimate king is exactly the kind of dumb subversion of expectations move that fat man would pull off. Now that it got such a bad backlash and D&D were scapegoated he is never going to finish anything as he is so spooked

granted not every idea was shit. Daenerys ending up torching kings landing in a streak of her own pyromania and the throne being literally dissolved was a kino idea. only fault is that it was rushed to hell without proper build up with a stupid aftermath. Kings landing is no more, there is no reconstruction to do and the throne should be officially dissolved with all the kingdoms gaining independence

>>213663440
Bro, you didn't know she was indian?

>>213660815
Only season 1 was good and even then it was hard carried by the murder mystery and Sean Bean's writing and realistic reactions to everything happening. Season 2 and beyond was an immediate cliff dive where we went into a boring standard war plot full of theater kids trying to larp like intelligent adults and soap operashit.

Fact is the show - like the books - was never good and never had the potential to ever be good but a very strong opening act tricked many of us otherwise. I said on here back when it dropped that season 2 was a huge drop in quality and there was never going to be a good ending to this show and you all were gonna get JJ'd and Gilligan'd like you did with Lost and Breaking Bad but you faggots called me a neckbeard contrarian. Then in 2018 you faggots all tried to larp like you had caught on early that the show sucked and had always known so.

>>213661081
Book Euron is a meme character, most of the hype around him comes from YouTuber contentsloppers like picrel

>>213666576
>you faggots called me a neckbeard contrarian.
they were right, have sex

>>213662183
>Dude’s probably burnt out and tired
his whole shtick was endless world building with minute details with a loose over-arching story. Even the myths and prophecies are all over the place.
Anybody with half a brain can see hes betting on dying before coming up with an ending that will be a massive disappointment.
Even warhammer has more balls than him.

>>213666602
>Meme character
>Only non-wizard character to cast literal spells with human sacrifice
>Has a magical eye
>Literally gets same visions as Bran about the One Eyed Raven, as in literally word by word
>On his way to steal a dragon
>His brother who is also a priest has visions of him taking down the wall and ruling over the Iron Throne
lol

>>213666708
>Even warhammer has more balls than him.
Its funny you say that because for a completely full of himself author who devoted most of his energy to world building his universe is ridiculously bland and boring compared to Warhammer Fantasy. A setting that exists as an excuse to sell plastic crap to old men

>>213666576
Season 2 had the story about Tyrion organising the defence of King's Landing and it was pretty good just for that reason. The Night's Watch story was also decent during this period, when the impending supernatural threat was still a mystery to the audience.

book fags have known or 16 years he cant fix the mereenese knot. He hasnt written a word in close to 20 years either. May be the most colossal fumble of a legacy in history

>>213660722 (OP)
>>213660846
>>213661081
You idiots are coping so fucking hard. The ending of the show was GRRM's intended ending - all the major plot points are there - he's even said so himself. It was just executed extremely poorly.

>>213667515
His own ending is even worse because it will not be executed at all. It will require four more books at least, and none will be written before he dies.

>>213666727
>meme character
>headcanon
>speculation
>vague foreshadowing
>hasn't happened yet
>vague foreshadowing
You are exactly the kind of retard who thinks gurm is some kind a genius lol

>>213660846
The books are deliberately unfilmable, and proved to be
People thought otherwise briefly because HBO threw hella money at it, but (a) it wasn't enough, and (b) all the money in the world can't make that story work on TV

>>213667515
>Mad danny is correct, the bells are the catalyst, its not cersei its griff but yes overall spot on

>jaime is not, in fact, his ending is diametrically opposite of his current book, more likely to kill Cersei then go die with her

>Clegane bowl, this isnt happening
>Bran leaving the cave, this isnt happening
>Sansa winning the GoT, this is happening
>Tyrion surviving, this is happenin
>Arya is completely butchered, there is no Night King, she shouldnt even be at the wall
>Euron was castrated, he is THE definitive final battle while Danny is the final form villian.
>Jon will kill Danny

the overarching plot points i agree were attempted to be finished but only a few reveals like Hold the Door etc were actually from GRRM. They dropped too many characters to show you this war is really LF v Varys and Three Eye Raven v Marwyn. And, the likely outcome that the white walkers are just a blizzard

>>213667609
youre being willfully dense, the worldbuilding of Euron collectin priests and merging power of the old and new are in the first book. greyjoys are part of the original plot, only arya, dorne and the south are filler. Euron has an explicit arc built through surrounding characters. And he is the ultimate battle in GoT, likely gets a dragon and summons a kraken

>>213660815
There are authors who pump out doorstopper books every year. Why couldn’t fat pervert just write his stupid books while the first few seasons were filming?

>>213667775
m8, selling asoiaf to HBO was precisely bc he gave up writing and needed a retirement plan. If youre like me, you believe he got sold on adaptating only up to the Red Wedding, regardless, there hasnt been a moment in close to two decades any book post Dance was in the cards. Dance itself, is a few years old and largely from Feast, a book 5 years prior. ALL released chapters since Dance, were cut from feast, meaning, 20 year old chapters are the only new material weve gotten and that includes the peak worldwide hype. The series simply will not be finished by GRRM

>>213660857
I unironically wish he just passes the torch to someone else like Brandon Sanderson. Dude can pump out 1k page long novels every 2 years, while jugling different genres on his Cosmere. Only challenge would be to see if he can write the gritty, overly sexualized way that Martin writes ASOIAF

>>213667742
yeah yeah thats all swell anon
Genuine question: do you actually know the story behind this image: >>213666602

>>213667844
had to check the image title, preston had a few decent theories but nothing he didnt farm from forums a decade old like Westeros. And GRRM absolutely deconstructed fantasy on the levels of what Clint eastwood did with Unforgiven. Granted, its a failure but if this series finishes, he is coming directly for Tolkeins throne

>>213667933
I mean specifically about the image
hint: salad dressing

>>213662183
>Dude’s probably burnt out and tired of dealing with a massively caustic and autistic manchild fanbase.
Nigger stop making fucking excuses, if his fanbase was half as autistic as you whiteknighting cunts say it's someone would've shown up at his house to break his legs and threaten to rape his ass if he doesn't finish the books.
In truth nobody cares, he's riding the high life making scripts and books no one fucking cares about.

>>213666602
Preston is so goddamn cute imagine cuddling on the sofa with him watching the show and he just rants about it and explains book lore to you. Life is unfair.

>>213667824
Just get Joe Abercrombie and Sanderson to finish the books, Sanderson can plan out the storyline, hes amazing at this, and Joe has the same dry dark humor as the fat fuck.
They would be done in a year.

Problem with sanderson is that he writes more of a idealized Tolkien style, Martin is just a nihilistic leftist twat.

>>213664623
Nobody watched GOT for the undead monsters.

>>213660846
At first i assumed this, but with time its clear to me Martin was never working on the sequels, once he got big and rich his publisher said they have not seen anything new from him.
I legit dont think Winds of Winter is real, and that there exists even a rough draft for it. While Martin said yesr ago that he wrote 2/3 of it, its contradicted by what he said in recent years.

>>213668847
and nobody watched it for "you go girl" feminist fantasy
it was supposed to be a nihilist depressing jewish revisionist take on middle ages but with a fantasy spin
they failed at their own gimmick, and couldnt even get the tone right in later seasons

>>213667515
yup. copers cope hard while ignoring as hard as they can that grrm worked closely with d&d and even took them to his cabinet to show them his notes and drafts

they had a pretty good idea how the broad strokes would culminate and followed exactly that. who else but grrm thought it was a great plot twist to have bran coming out of nowhere with exactly zero political and military support and be crowned king with little objections

>>213669036
>grrm worked closely with d&d
He can't even finish his own story, I doubt he was all that interested in working on the butchered version D&D produced. I imagine he said "yeah whatever" to their dumb ideas so it could be over.

>>213663931
>>213666487
pretty sure the fat man said the nights king is a tv only character

>>213669173
even he says he wasnt involved past season 5 in any way, he supposedly delivered a roadmap for how he wanted to finish it and thats all

>>213666602
That video of him going around bars to drink and eat with Shay was legitimately comfy as fuck.

>>213667959
lmao I'm not that anon but your such a faggot in a funny way

one of dumb and dumber on those official recap shows literally said "George told us Bran would get on the iron throne".

he must have told them all the other endings for characters too. However the shit thing is wasn't the endings its how each character got there in the last two seasons by dick and doms horrendous rushed writing.

>>213665201
Game of Thrones is to blame for my deep attraction to 13-17 year old girls. I don't even think it's pedophilia because I feel nothing toward prepubescent girls (I'm actually grossed out the rare times people on 4chan start CP dumping) but a teenage girl with big perky breasts and insatiable sexual curiosity gets me really going.

The more time passes, the worse GoT ages. It truly does rank in the top 5 maybe even top 3 of worst drop-off in quality of the story and garbage ending out of the entire history of television shows.

>>213666576
Season 3 and 4 is the peak for a lot of character story lines. Season 2 drags a little, but it still has plenty of great moments like the Battle of the Blackwater.

>>213662760
>being a greenseer/warg himself,
Wtf are you talking about? It can't be a 'main theory' if it's based off headcanon. The baby popped with the rest of the white walkers.

>>213663210
>I want to say most people would have been okay with Dany turning into a psycho because that's something that has always been there, but after the general audience's reaction I doubt Martin even wants to think about it.
It wasn't the fact that she lost it that was the problem, it was the fact that it seemed to happen instantly and inorganically. Same as Anakin becoming Darth Vader at the end of Episode 3. There is nothing wrong with a character having a fall from grace; it's the execution that was the problem.

>>213662183
Reminder that George originally set the publication date for Winds of Winter IN FALL 1998.
People have been born, started families and fucking died during the time he has spent procrastinating.

>>213662015
kek
true

>>213660815
But then the show would've stopped dead in its tracks and never continued.

>>213665381
Holy shit shut the fuck up you desperate loser

>>213665875
>my guy
Another fucking redditfaggot. Please get murdered

>>213661659

>>213668707
what must his taiwanese american wife think

>>213666245
>2000: A Storm of Swords is released
>2005: A Storm of Swords is released

>>213669173
>>213669953
oh that really clears it up
>I was totally only involved with this super popular blockbuster show based off my works until the last of the good seasons!

he started saying that after got show started getting flak. fat fuck is just covering his ass and trying to distance himself. you have to be a idiot to take him at his word after all the broken promises and fake hype he spun up over the decades. If it had been a success he would do a 180 claiming how it was his genius guidance that had decisive creative input

Grrm was intimately involved with the show and d&d were his students. only real mistake latter did was not stepping down after they concluded the red wedding episode which was their original intention wanting to bring the storyline to live action

>>213660846
If he ever did finish it, Jon and Danearys are dying at the end for sure which will mindbreak the fandom regardless. So yes.

>>213673026
or ... hes just a lazy fuck
people like to imagine that the books were almost ready and the last season fucked it up, but the truth is even his own publisher said he hasnt written shit
he was only involved at start for the money, once he got his paycheck he fucked off

>>213661031
kek

>feed all storylines to AI
>Let it come up with some shit
>Rewrite it where u have better ideas
Easy-peasy