It makes no sense to die in the Matrix. When I unplug my Laptop neither it nor any other electrical device on the circuit dies. You can clearly see the machine interface on the back of the human head, where you plug into the Matrix. It's not a short circuit or anything dangerous. Maybe if you get shot yes, but the Matrix doesn't send a death signal just because you unplug.

they THINK in their mind it's real so they really die in reality. Neo gets it in the end, that it's just all in his mind

>>213789766 (OP)
Unplug your computer during an update. It's bricked forever.

>>213789766 (OP)
Death in the matrix cuts the mind-body connection. Think of it as if your soul is being injected into the matrix and extracted through the telephone system. You have to accept that a fictional movie engages in fictional responses to fictional events.

I wonder if consciousness is essentially just software in the Matrix universe then are the machines are capable of reanimating human corpses by uploading new consciousness into them?

>>213789766 (OP)
I read this in Morpheus's voice

They could have explained it better, but I think the idea was that part of your consciousness leaves your brain and is uploaded to the Matrix servers when you're jacked in.
So if the plug is abruptly pulled, then it kills you by fully separating the two

>>213789892
The brain of the corpse would probably need to have been preserved a certain way. Under normal circumstances, the cells and circuitry in the brain quickly break down and fall apart when it dies, making it non-functional and unsuitable for anything like that. Smith took over and possessed Bain when he was alive, and kept him that way- he probably couldn't have done it if Bain was killed in between

>>213789766 (OP)
Dreaming doesn’t kill you either so getting unplugged shouldn’t. But there’s no tension if you just die and wake up in your chair.

>>213789766 (OP)
I unplugged my laptop once and I got COVIDAIDSPNEUMONIA.

Ok but how does getting punched or shot in the matrix make you bleed irl, what's causing the physical harm to your physical bodyparts that aren't your brain if all the danage is simulated

>>213790674
How your brain moves your foot?

Now imagine you have a metal probe stick in your medula oblongata

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>>213790796
Kino

>>213790674
Matrix is a deeply platonic movie, the point is that the mind shapes your own reality. If your mind believes the pain, the pain will follow.

>>213790707
how is babby formed???

>>213789843
>in their mind it's real

But it doesn't happen in their mind. In their mind they are in the Matrix and when you unplug the neural pathways are redirected back to your real body. The Matrix works by intercepting electrical signals from your brain like a remote control. Does your /tv/ explode when you throw the remote control against the wall and break it?

>>213790796
>none of them turn into agents

Fake.

>>213790544
I'm sorry that happened.

>>213789766 (OP)
we're living in a boltzmann brain so you can't hack into it using 0s and 1s because it's a living organism that dreams up this reality. escaping to the outside universe it inhabits requires communication with the brain.

>>213790674
I have neuropathy which means I'm in a kind of superficial pain constantly. It doesn't physically affect anything but god damn does it hurt. maybe it's the same if you're in a brain simulation, you get punched in the liver real hard by an agent and you're going to feel it in reality.

>>213790796
>Were you listening to me, sweetie? Or were you looking at the black dude in an overcoat? Look again.

>>213789766 (OP)
Fair but it's to raise stakes. If you didn't die in the matrix there'd be no weight or stakes to anything happening.

>>213790796
What the fuck is up with that bollywood tier editing? Did an Indian shoot this video?

>>213790796
Where's this 4th world country? UK?

>>213789766 (OP)
The body cannot live without the mind, anon

>>213791541
>construct a very elaborate "what if" preamble scenario
>derive a room temperature IQ conclusion
>call it theory
I rather believe in god than in stupid shit like boltzman brains or that we are living in a simulation

>>213791597
heh

>>213794336
>typo at the end
ruined it

your laptop is the culmination of a half century of progress , im pretty sure if u improperly shut down down early ibms they would brick out pretty easy . also even now if u r using some programs suddenly turning off ur pc can brick shit up

>>213794544
I think phones are a better analogy. I still can't believe that I can emulate PS2 games in 4K upscaling without any lag and only 20 years ago I was playing them on something almost the size of a microwave and it constantly broke.

>>213790952
And if you die in the matrix, the brain shuts down because it believes it's real.
The matrix functions on belief, the communication between your brain and the matrix goes both ways when you are connected, you are telling the matrix what will happen as much as it's telling you what is happening, so if it's telling you that you are dying (and you believe it), then you actually die. Equally, if you believe you can fly, or move faster than possible or your muscles are stronger than possible, then you actually are because your brain tells the matrix.

>>213790796
>All the men instantly recognizing Morpheus
>women oblivious

>robots create a fantasy world to keep humans trapped in
>still make people wagies just for the hell of it

lmao

>>213794915
i think the Architect or Smith or someone says that humans thrive on suffering, so it checks out i guess

>>213795030
was that in the og films or am i also remembering it from the new one where the psychic from starship troopers says that's how it runs

>>213795030
>>213795125
It was in the first film. Smith is spewing a bunch of nihilistic shit at Morpheus to try to hack into his mind, and he says that the first matrix was a utopia, but the human mind recognized it as unrealistic and kept trying to wake up from it.

>>213790674
For some reason the machines built the Matrix to both send and receive signals to and from your body, maybe it's because they want authentic biological reactions from your real body as feedback to the simulation and for learning. That's why getting punched has the Matrix sending the ouch signal to your real body. Otherwise it would have to calculate the ouch response to keep the simulation authentic and you dreaming.

>>213794764
You don't die in the Matrix just because someone unplugs you in the real world. It happens in the movie because it's a plot hole, but it wouldn't happen in real life. That's the point of the thread.

>>213790952
with HDDs, if there is a power failure or interruption during heavy read/write operations, the needles will "crash" into the discs and essentially kill them.

>>213794623
That literally is his point, emulators today are not a couple of lines of code that allow PS2 games to run, it's a chinese nuclear plant that allows you to create children's books in german

>>213795813
Next time you watch a movie, pay attention. They literally spell it out that the brain makes it real, as if it wouldn't be so fucking obvious that it's a 2 way connection from what happens in the story.

>>213796050
I did and it doesn't make sense. When you unplug there is no more signal from the Matrix so the brain should resume normal operations.

>>213789766 (OP)
I thought it was the premise that it's so realistic you can taste touch smell feel, etc, and so when you get shot and die, your body actually simulates those functions in real life thinking they're real, like going into cardiac arrest from getting shot in the chest.

>>213789766 (OP)
REAL Matrix hasn't even been tried yet...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OHQRo3Uz_VQ

>>213797978
Wtf did I just watch?

>>213789904
>NEOOOOOO I THINK SOMETHING IS BURNING DID YOU LEAVE THE DINOTENDIES ON FOR TOO LONG AGAIN

>>213797064
Why would it? The brain thinks it's still connected to the body in the matrix, and that body just died when you pull out the connecting rod.

>>213789766 (OP)
Death is more of a safety mechanism to keep the rules of the matrix running smoothly. Remember, they're machines, and they like things precise and synthesized.

>>213790674
Your mind makes it real.

If you die in a dream, you wake up. Who's to say that life is any different from a dream?

>>213795813
>It happens in the movie because it's a plot hole
Do you know what a plot hole is?

>>213797064
>When you unplug there is no more signal from the Matrix so the brain should resume normal operations.
Okay, but it doesn't, and you die. As explained explicitly by the film. That's the premise. If the mind didn't make it real there wouldn't be an entire story of Neo overcoming the illusion and becoming the One, you autismo triple-retard moron.

>>213789766 (OP)
>>213789766 (OP)
>When I unplug my Laptop neither it nor any other electrical device on the circuit dies. You can clearly see the machine interface on the back of the human head, where you plug into the Matrix.
Let's analyze this
You're trying to describe a client-server connection where the human body and it's mind work as some kind of browser and every stimulus produced by matrix related events are transmitted as a live connection, so human consciousness never leaves the mind, therefore it never leaves the body. Assuming this is what you're trying to say, human-matrix connection is not different from a simple ssh connection with a secure hash algorithm, however, the main difference between a computer using a ssh connection to use other machine resources and a human connecting to matrix is the body reacting to trauma. That means human connecting to matrix is more like using your gamer computer to reach call of duty servers and somehow, every kill your suffer in the game is translated to some damage in your graphic card.