Why was this made?

>>213790800 (OP)
Sony wanting to capitalize on its tights to the character after venom's moderate success.

>>213790800 (OP)
Young men today are edgy. They are tired of Spider-man "do good" attitude, they want Venom instead, doing bad ass thing and being evil. Kroven is also a spider-man villian and is bad and they thought young mean guys that are edgy would watch Kroven.

At some point they probably had a vague plan for some big crossover, where Spider-Man would fight a Sinister Six or similar team with Venom and Morbius and Kraven and Vulture etc.
Back before they pulled the plug on all of these

>>213790800 (OP)
This was released? hahahha when? wtf?

>>213790800 (OP)
Madam Webb

>I'm you, but shorter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-dw5K1BVD4

>>213790800 (OP)
Avi Arad. Thats it. For years he was trying to get a soulless Venom movie going. He is why Venom was forced in Spiderman 3. The original Venom unfortunately did well so it gave him more power to attempt to create his own mini cinematic universe. He's also in control of the Metal Gear Solid movie rights so that has absolutely no chance of ever being good

>>213790800 (OP)
Even less cultural relevance than Morbius and that's saying something.

>>213791036
December last year. It flopped horribly, $62 mil gross on a $120 mil budget.
You probably didn't hear about it because it's an extremely generic and formulaic movie which everyone forgets after watching it once- whereas Madame Web had some "so bad it's good" meme and mockery value and was talked about a lot more

>>213790800 (OP)
to be fair this had the most chance of being good without spider-man, as a concept

>>213791170
>>213791176
These movies are so fucking bizarre because it already is extremely difficult work selling these side characters as their own franchises so you would think that you want to get the best people imaginable but it's the opposite. Like I could understand putting a Taika Waititi om a Spider-Man project since the movie generally prints money whoever makes it but you think with these lesser known characters they would try but they don't. The movies are just bad. Completely unwatchable garbage. What is the goal here?

>>213790869
venoms a good guy in those movies.

2016 - 2023 or so will be known as a pretty funny time where every movie company tried to amke their own shared universe/expanded universe and most catastrophically failed.

Just some pretty weird ideas like the Dark Universe, the Hasbro Toy universe, The Hanna Barbera Universe, The M. Night Shamylan Universe. And they plan all this shit out, and it all fails by the first movie as nobody actually cares to see these characters crossover/most of the movies are about literal whos to the casual audiences. It all got real worse after Infinity War and companies thinking they can make the same amount of money but rushing to the big crossover movie.

And this was one of those. The Spider-Man villains an no Spider-Man Universe.

It seems the shared universe crossover fad has died down, but sadly the make a spin off of/try to franchise everything fad is still there.

>>213790800 (OP)
the fans were kraven it after morbius

Like half the shit I see in previews
>Roofman
>Novocaine
>Argylle
>Madame Web
>Borderlands

>>213791374
Venom 2018 was a massive success, grossed $850 million without being much better quality than the others.
So they all (wrongly) thought they could replicate that, by making bad and lazy movies which hopefully would strike gold and be entertaining enough to make money without needing to be good at the same time.

They didn't understand that Venom is a popular enough character to be a box office draw, the others are not and their movies needed to be produced for like $30 million or less, if at all

>that weird time when Venom was put in the MCU and then booted out almost immediately
How we get the back story of that one day. I really think there was more to it

>>213790800 (OP)

I also wondered why they did this.

On paper it's something I would have watched, but in execution I wouldn't even bother.

This movies are the bad result of studio and copyright meddling.
All this shitty Sony movies are spiderman sidecharacters.
But they don't have the rights to make Spiderman, so they are stuck with crazy lame origin stories of otherwise cool characters.
It's tryin to dive into shallow waters.
Like making a Legolas origin story

>>213790800 (OP)
Madame Web was awful and embarrassing with how it tried to reference Spider-Man as much as possible but Kraven was somehow a worse movie.

>>213791675
Sony probably wanted it all to climax with a huge Tom Holland Spider-Man crossover, but Disney/Marvel was only partially open to the idea.
So they got as far as Tom Hardy having a cameo in the No Way Home post credits scene, but then Sony's other movies turned out to be such complete garbage that Disney went "Nah, go and do your own thing but we're no longer interested in working with it"

>>213791517
Theres a big trend with movies now where they'll adapt absolutely anything because they think
>This has a pre-established fanbase, of course they'll see them ovie!

>>213791480

>>213791675
I guess the point still stands as to why? Why make these movies about literal who's especially when they're so expensive to make at times. Like during the boardroom meetings nobody spoke up and asked "Does anyone care enough about this character to watch tis movie?" or "Will anyone actually come to see this?"

>>213792069
It doesn't matter once Venom did good Avi Arad and Amy Pascal earned the power to ram down their vanity projects.

>>213790800 (OP)
They released the first 10 odd minutes on YouTube a bit before the movie came out, some of the action was a bit iffy when it first started but then when it came time for his actual mistake it just totally fell apart and killed all interest I had.

>>213792468
>mistake
*Escape
Mistake describes the movie in general though.

>>213791170
these movies are made to tank the studios earnings on paper so they dont pay taxes
the '120 million budget' is really like 4 million when you unfuck the hollywood accounting shenanigans

>180 million dollar scifi film
>entire plot is less interesting than a single quest in Cyberpunk 2077

>>213791723
kraven isn't even bad, you're retarded if you think Web even remotely close to being better. Madame Web is one one of the worst movies ever made.

>>213792669
>like 4 million
More than that because actors like ATJ and Russel Crowe are in demand and on the expensive side.
And, have to give Kraven the Hunter credit for a few things, it has some decent action and impressive stunt work and so on, and was shot in a wide variety of locations (Iceland, London, Scotland), instead of tiny greenscreen studios or whatever.

>>213790800 (OP)
You're all fucking idiots.

This was made because Sony is Japanese with an American media office that out influences it, producing actual shit, and he stars in it because his pedo groomer wife realized he doesn't have the acting chops to take roles that should go to tenured actors, as he's a plastic soiboi, so therefore pushing him into a role that can help pay for their lifestyle. He is basically a genderbent Weinstein victim and it's funny.

>>213790800 (OP)
Watched The Omen remake the other night. Completely unnecessary movie that adds nothing to the original and manages to make the kid feel like a secondary character instead of the center of attention.. The Thewlis kill was clever but that's about it.