>tortures animals on camera

>>213791467 (OP)
You just read this in his voice

this post too

>>213791467 (OP)
what's this in reference to?

I don't particularly like the Peruvian natives but I wouldn't call them "animals"

>>213791631
https://youtu.be/mnTU_hJoByA?si=9oAc-0AfW9XD1lQJ

>>213791631
Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970) features
Details:
1) A dead white hen lies in the dirt and is pecked at by another hen, 3:00-3:27. We later see a motorcycle run through the flock of chickens, probably the cause of this hen’s recent death.
2) A chicken dashes around with a dead mouse, 34:39-36:00.
3) The dead hen lying in the dirt, again, 39:35-39:40.
4) Mother and baby pigs tormented with a stick, 40:07-40:27.
5) It is announced that the pig has been killed. Cut to the mother pig lying on her side barely able to move at 44:25. We watch her die as the babies continue to try to suckle.
6) The baby pigs are tormented and handled roughly for comedic effect, 46:19-47:42.
7) Return to hen pecking the dead hen, this time the dead hen is much more mutilated and distorted, 1:03:15-1:03:30.
8) Two blind dwarfs discover the dead mother pig and explore her body, 1:04:45-1:05:34. Nothing additionally offensive here, just weird.
9) Another clip of the dead pig, 1:07:54-1:08:23.
10) A dead chicken is set on fire and carried on a stick, 1:19:04-1:19:09, as part of the general carnage that comprises the final 30 minutes of so of the film.
11) Two roosters are made to fight to the death. We see the entire event including the killing, 1:21:09-1:23:08. After this, cut immediately to . . .
12) A monkey we saw previously leaping around in a cage, now is tied to a wooden cross and carried at the front of a mock religious procession. The monkey is in great distress and trying to free himself, through 1:24:18.
13) Chickens are thrown aggressively and handled very roughly, obviously causing injury and pain, 1:24:37-1:27:03. Less than a 30 second break before . . .
14) A chicken is swung carelessly by her feet during other action, as though in preparation to be thrown, then finally hurled, 1:27:30-1:28:54.

>>213791683
15) The movie ends with a very long scene of a camel kneeling in the dirt, frequently starting either to stand or lie down completely, but never doing so. The particularly idiotic dwarf who is the star of the film stands and laughs stupidly at the camel throughout. Although there is no abuse depicted, the scene goes on for so long and the psychological distress is so immense that a real feeling of horror and dread is created, for, around, and about the poor camel. She seems to be next in line for abuse and murder.

>>213791631
he fucking hates chickens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMo4WlBmGM

>>213791631
He acknowledged the mistake of torturing animals in his 1970 movie and pledged to never do it again, only before going on to make 1977, which featured more animal torture.
In particular, its most famous last scene featured an animal being tortured by placing it on a heated plate, having it move its feet frantically out of pain, with music playing in the background. It's called the dancing chicken scene.
None of the reviews I've read seem to realize that the chicken was filmed being tortured.

Werner Herzog noted that his whole crew refused to participate in the shooting of this scene in his DVD commentary (presumably due to concerns of animal cruelty, which he did not mention), so he chose to shoot it alone.
In a later interview he lied about the incident and claimed that the chicken was especially trained to dance that way, to mask the cruel reality that it was being tortured on camera.

>>213791759
>>213791799
No, it's about him filming torture of chickens while making Stroszek (1977). It's fine to hate chickens, you shouldn't torture them. He was also extremely deceptive about it, making BS claims about the chicken being especially trained.
Here is an example of him lying about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-H05U6EYE&t=78s

>>213791662
No he tortured actual animals, not peruvian natives. In particular, he tortured monkeys and chicken.

>>213791759
I don't understand his point? Chickens are domesticated livestock bred to be stupid and docile like slaves. Animals that have to survive on their own are smarter. Unless he means most people are chickens.

What's crazy is that none of the critics have called him out for animal torture in Stroszek. He actually seems to have convinced the audiences that the chicken was trained to dance that way, and lied about it in interviews.
People talk about the scene where a chicken is being tortured as a brilliant memorable scene, not realizing that it's not actually dancing but frantically shuffling in pain.
I think if anyone does an interview on him they should call it out, since nobody else has acknowledged it yet.
Ask him how he would like if we took of his shoes and made him stand on a hot metal plate. Does he think he would "dance" well on the hot plate?

People genuinely have no idea that the chicken was tortured.

there is no more animal cruelty in his films than human cruelty, in his and thousands of others's

>>213792158
Oh really? Which humans were filmed being tortured in his movies?
Which humans were deliberately killed in a cruel way to make a scene?
Please do tell.

>>213791467 (OP)
>NOOO NOT THE HECKIN CHICKERINO
it's just an animal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ-oTs8YXF4

when the schizo busts out the MS Paint speech bubble, you know it's time to abandon thread

>>213792457
Lol yeah good point after posting it I realized it kinda looks like a typical schizo post with the speech bubble.
I am not a schizo though and you know that.
Werner Herzog tortured animals on camera in the movies Even Dwarfs Started Small (1970) and Stroszek (1977) and lied about it and tried to cover it up interviews.

>>213792558
nobody cares

>>213792607
I would have liked to know before becoming a fan of Herzog that he filmed himself torturing animals in multiple movies and lied about it in interviews.

>>213792691
why, because you are gay?

>>213792728
No, because I don't like people who torture animals for entertainment.

>>213792755
so you are gay

>>213792773
Are you ok with animal torture?

>>213792262
Not killing but there is human torture in almost every film in existence

>>213792815
doesn't exist

>>213791467 (OP)
And it was kino

>>213792859
Animal torture cannot be kino. It's disgusting.
>>213792834
Science disagrees, schizo.
>>213792831
No there fucking isn't. Give me a single example.

>>213792966
go back you absolute faggot

>>213791467 (OP)
Multiple people died in the making of Fitzcarraldo as well, a shitty film no one needs to see. Why are Germans like this.

>>213793033
it's called taking risks to achieve excellence. a brownoid like you would never understand.

>>213792966
Animals cannot feel pain. They are mindless automatons.
t. Rene Descartes

>>213793088
What risk is there in torturing a helpless chicken?

>>213793136
He was obviously wrong on that one.

>>213793088
Is that why all his films have shitty dubbing instead of actual audio? The pursuit of excellence. Kys.

>>213793148
hey homofaggot nobody gives a fuck about chickens i replied to a post about people dying

I will be happy and gladly press S when this piece of shit dies.

>>213793185
>brownoids never getting it: the post
namaste

>>213793180
Rene Descartes is much smarter than you.

>>213791886
Monkeys are nasty. Chickens are tasty.

>>213791467 (OP)
God Herzog is the greatest filmmaker of all time. He can torture whatever he wants, I permit it.

>>213793250
1. Just because some person in the past is smarter than some other person, doesn't mean that the smarter person is right on all points of contention. Regular Joe is more right than Galileo was about how gravity works for example.
2. No he fucking isn't lmao.

>>213793572
None of the points justify deliberately inflicting pain on animals for entertainment purposes only.

>>213793655
Inflicting some pain on others can be very entertaining. An entire genre of comedy regarding this phenomenon exists: Slapstick.

The Germans even have a word for this: schadenfreude.

If we do it to each other, why not on animals (within reason)?

>>213794000
Animals cannot consent to it and do not understand why it's being done to them. They just feel the pain inflicted upon them without reason. They are helpless to prevent it.

>>213794162
Animals don't consent to anything, their consent is irrelevant: they are animals. Left in the wild they would eat and be eaten, often in ways so cruel and meaningless.

If I don't care about the suffering from the friend I hit in the nuts, why should I care that a chicken is dancing on a hot plate?
It'll end up there soon enough anyway.

>>213794253
>Animals don't consent to anything, their consent is irrelevant: they are animals. Left in the wild they would eat and be eaten, often in ways so cruel and meaningless
Animals can't consent. So don't fucking torture them. It's that simple.

>>213794253
Why do you think his whole crew refused to participate in the filming of that scene?

>>213794449
Because they found it retarded, and didn't understand his vision.

>>213794371
Animals don't consent to anything, if they wanted a say they should have involved intelligence.

>>213794701
>Because they found it retarded, and didn't understand his vision
According to you it's just a coincidence that the only scene they all refused to participate in filming and actively rebelled against was the scene where he tortured the animal? The two facts are completely unrelated in your mind?
>Animals don't consent to anything
Exactly, they don't and cant consent to anything, including having pain inflicted on them. Therefore you aren't justified to torture them.

>>213792365
and you're just a soulless bugman.

>>213794819
What do you consider torture?

Is the threshold any discomfort, whatsoever?

>>213795397
By torture I consider deliberately inflicting severe physical pain on something or someone.
Yeah I think there is a threshold. If you just lightly pinch someone, I wouldn't consider it torture since it isn't severe, even though it's a little bit painful.
I think the discomfort has to be high to consider it torture.

>>213795397
>>213795462
As an example of what I would consider torture, is where you take someone and make them stand on a heated metal plate which is very painful to stand on.
How would you like it if we took of your shoes and socks and forced you to stand on a hot metal plate, to see how well you would "dance"?

>>213791467 (OP)

>>213795501
I would tell you you're a faggot, and walk off the plate, because I don't have to stay there.

Also, chickens have bony feet, and an attention span of maybe 10 seconds.
By the time he's off the plate, he's already foraging for worms.

>>213792966
>No there fucking isn't. Give me a single example.
i've worked in films you fucking faggot

>>213795826
Because someone forgets about being tortured later doesnt make the torture ok, psycho.

>>213792104
dude nobody cares about fucking chickens most people eat like 200 of those a year

>>213796613
Most people care when someone tortures animals for fun. Apparently you dont psycho.

>>213796583
>>213796971
But anon, you said
>deliberately inflicting severe physical pain on something or someone.

A hot plate isn't severe pain.
Do you think the chicken gives a shit when it tears a mouse apart?
Have you not seen how birds of prey eat their kills, still alive?

Morality is a human concept, that nature doesn't care for.

Also, you're a massive bitch, so you've lost the argument by default.

>>213797179
You think it's fine to torture animals. You have no say in matters of morality.

>>213797702
By your own definition it isn't torture.

>>213791467 (OP)
I have always and will always ignore directors who don't give a shit about animals.

Before watching anything, I look at the director and see if he has any problematic scenes.
At this point I have seen like over 2000 movies and I've been on this shit board since 2008.

No Tarkovsky, no Tarr, no Herzog.
I'm not even a vegan.

Maybe animal suffering in a god awful conditions for us to eat processed meat and get cancer is worth it because that's how it is.

But animal suffering for some shitty flick ? Not worth it. It's just not worth it.

I know any type of physical pain would make these sissy directors pass out.
Nobody who has experienced actual pain can stand looking at another being suffering.

>ohh le reddit pain is not exerienced if you don't have spirit or some shit, deez nuts consciousness
subhuman argument, coming from people who have no problems betraying what they stand for and should be eaten alive, these people are enemies

>>213797991
I can smell your vagina from here

>>213797991
Well said

>>213797991
Based

>>213791631
he admitted to dragging a dangling a fish on a string to lure the penguin away

>>213797991
calm down

>>213797991
the free range animals taste better anyway

>Warner Herzog: Animal Torturer thread and his Magnum Apex Aquirre isn't even mentioned
>Kills two llamas on a boat to test how dangerous some rapids are, then makes his cast and crew do it anyway
>Chickens and animals routinely dying and being mistreated the entire film

>When asked how he feels about it, Warner's response is basically: I regret nothing and I'd do it again

>>213799939
>>213799462
>>213798057
>>213798046
These are different people occupying different points in spacetime each with different histories and lives.

>Ze ratz! We must releaze ze rats for ze plague szene
>Herzog some of them are lab rats, albino.
>Don't matter, paint ze rats with ze dye
>But to paint the rats we must dip them into boiling water first.
>Yez. What seemz to be ze problem?
>Herzog, they are going insane from the dye and being dunked in boiling water. They are licking it and eating it off from each other
>Good, ze rats are ready zhen! Releaze the ratz!
>But how are we going to catch them?
>What for? Ze rats will scurry and thrive!
I always wished I could have been even 1% this cool. But you either got it or you don't.

he can't keep getting away with it