I'm not even religious and I cried. He really went through all of this?

Nah crucifiction was just letting someone die on a cross.
Probably wasn't even any blood loss.

>>213796208 (OP)
>He really went through all of this?
Nope, it was all made up.
The whole story is really stupid but probably the worst is the arrest and trial. A Roman governor saying "oh no, there's just too many Jews to execute, we can't possibly execute them all, guess I'll randomly release one" and people actually believe this shit

>>213796307
The historicity of the crucifixion itself is not in contention chuddie.

>>213796307
Even your jewish masters don't believe Jesus didn't exist nor that he didn't perform miracles, they just say he was a sorcerer.
I can't imagine being an atheist in the big '5

>>213796372
>jewish masters
>atheists
Atheists make fun of the Bible all the time, including Torah. You realize that?

>>213796347
It is, it almost certainly didn't happen. And if it did it was nothing like the Gospel account
>>213796372
>if you don't worship a Jew then you are one/are influenced by them
This is your brain on Christianity

>>213796444
The state is your master, you are nothing, jews own you, follow God.

>>213796465
>Didn't happen
Source?

>>213796473
Sorry, I will not believe in talking snakes and similar nonsense.

>>213796517
Yes trust the "science". oh no look out, an alien is floating over your house haha. what the logic?! that can't be right!

>>213796275
>wasn't even any blood loss
Have you ever read a book? There are hundreds, if not thousands, of accounts of crucifixion, almost all handed out by Romans.

They began the process by whipping with a flagellum with bone and metal to rip open the back of the victim, in order to make it painful when they breathed on the cross-which was accomplished by pulling themselves up and ripping their backs open even more.

>>213796517
>talking snakes
Look up the Hebrew root word, cross-reference it to others in the Bible, and then make another comment.

>It is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

>>213796610
Yes, it's better to believe in stuff that is clearly mythology. You Christians became by far the most annoying retards on this website.

>>213796631
>Look up the Hebrew root word, cross-reference it to others in the Bible, and then make another comment.
Why should I? Does this change the fact that the entire story is incorrect?

>>213796208 (OP)
>I'm not even religious and I cried
Why not just read the Bible? Does it really take a gore movie to make you cry for Jesus? Do you also cry when you see spic beheadings and chink traffic accidents?

>>213796670
Hey Einstein, you're being played by Avi Loeb while your country gets raped.

>>213796208 (OP)
I'm extremely religious (Christian) and I laughed. Why is Mel Gibson so bad making movies?

>>213796741
What are you even talking about?

>>213796208 (OP)
Yeah, the only person in human history to ever be put through this. The Jews invented all these new torture methods just for him. That's how evil the Jews are. Now they're doing it to Palestinian children btw

>>213796779
>It's better to be and atheist believe a lying israeli professor that we're being invaded by aliens than be a christian because umm, it just IS okay????

>>213796818
Christianity is a silly old religion. Nothing about it makes sense, nothing about Judaism makes sense.
Are you fucking retarded? How is this guy even related to this thread?

>>213796208 (OP)
Yes but remember it was after he got arrested for sucking off a young boy in the public park. He was also a prolific drug user while also being a child trafficker.

>>213796724
No cuz they probably had it coming.

>>213796775
Doubt

>>213796208 (OP)
If it was me it wouldn't have gone down like that

>>213796891
>gringos who got beheaded had it coming
zased

>>213796208 (OP)
corny aahh garbage

>>213796886
>Ha ha, I'm doing the blasphemy! Look at me!
Meh.

>He really went through all of this?
for you

>>213797143
But why

>>213796208 (OP)
This movie made me hate the jews.
>NOOOOO HE'S JUST GOING AROUND AND HEALING PEOPLE AND TEACHING THEM TO BE KIND TO THEIR NEIGHBOURS AAAAAAAHHHHHH WE HAVE TO KILL HIM AAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>213796775
>Why is Mel Gibson so bad making movies?
*blocks your path*

Jesus died like a dog, that was the entire point of Christianity.

>>213797200
>HE'S JUST GOING AROUND AND HEALING PEOPLE
but when mrbeast pays for cataract surgeries he is the antichrist

>>213797252
He should do it and not tell anybody about it as per Christianity. Keep your good deeds a secret to yourself if you want them to mean anything.

>>213797285
jesus should have done the same then

>>213797200
Ironically it's Jews that pushed this cult and integrated it with their Old Testament. And it looks like they succeeded in creating a breed of docile slaves for them.

>>213797252
This.
Mr Beast is the 2nd Coming of Christ.
Asmongold is the Anti-Christ.

>>213797327
Maybe he did a lot of good things we don't know about. It was the 12 disciples who spoke for him.

It's ok for others to talk about your good deeds.

>>213796208 (OP)
>remember he's an aspect of God who knows he's an aspect of God and has existed since the beginning of time
Uhhh... yeah.............
My empathy dries up pretty quickly.

>>213796631
>There are hundreds, if not thousands, of accounts of crucifixion, almost all handed out by Romans.
No there aren't.

>>213796208 (OP)
Someone who can effortlessly magic away all of their suffering is never actually suffering in the way a person would. The entire crucifixtion is less severe than a toothache, than a lost pair of keys, than anything unplesant that an actual person experiences and has to just deal with without any miracles.

>>213797338
The weird cult of people who call themselves Christians but then also proclaim jews as God's chosen people are not really Christians.

The jews are no longer God's chosen people in Christianity.

>>213797359
>. It was the 12 disciples who spoke for him
How very convenient

Reminder that Christianity declined by an astonishing 30% in the west since that shit movie was released. You know it's bad when you have 4chan contrarians larping as christians now because it's starting to become counter-culture.

>>213797409
You'll find a lot of convenience in the truth, yes. It will facilitate every aspect of your everyday life to engage with the world as it really is, yes.

>>213796465
>alt-right chuddie disagreeing with actual historians
sad

>>213797409
Yes. It's ok for others to talk about your good deeds. Unless you paid them to do it or something, which is what you're going to say next.

>>213797449
Shame a lot of good people didn't have 12 boyfriends like Jesus did to do PR for them, they will be forgotten in history.

>>213797438
>The West becomes less Christian
>The West becomes inversely shittier and gayer and now we are teaching children about trannies in school instead of Bible study
really gets the noggin joggin.

>>213797438
>because it's starting to become counter-culture.
No, it's just called growing up.

>>213797503
>zoomie can't imagine having even 1 friend let alone a dozen

>>213797522
>>The West becomes inversely shittier and gayer and now we are teaching children about trannies in school instead of Bible study
No we aren't.

>>213797553
Yeah a PR team of a dozen is pretty tough to come by, especially since most people don't usually have an unlimited supply of fish and bread to feed them

>>213797627
UH OH.

>>213797670
Maybe if you did nice things for people, you'd have friends too, zoomie.

>>213796810
wtf chat how could the juice do this?

>>213797756
Kek, maybe if you had an unlimited supply of bread and fish you would have friends too, boomie

When this movie came out my christian parents took me to it when I was 9. I was pretty horrified while they were crying by the end. The whole theatre had a bunch of christian weirdos that were crying.

>>213796208 (OP)
no need to take it literal. It's a parable of an ideal, of great self-sacrifice out of great altruistic love.

>>213797812
You have an unlimited supply of kindness you can give zoomie boy. You have all the fish and bread in the world.

>>213797828
This was a normal phenomenon. Why didn't you cry too, devil spawn?

>>213797359
11, the one killed himself

>>213796208 (OP)
Honestly not even that bad by the standards of the time.

>>213797849
I love the story and I love Christs teachings, but come on. You'd have to be retarded or schizophrenic to really believe any of the magic shit was real.

>>213797902
Yes, true.

>>213797849
kek no, boomer faggot

>>213797910
Whoops meant for>>213797840

>>213797910
With prayer you can move mountains, buddy.

>>213797943
So do it and film it and show me

>>213797714
This the type of nigga you see before some child sacrifice ceremony begins. (((They))) want to normalize the appearance of this first.

>>213797910
if Jesus miracles were "obviously retarded" then why were they kept in the bible for dozens of edits over hundreds of years? they cut plenty of other stuff, why keep the fairy tale stuff in?
the people doing the work of preserving and copying those stories obviously had an intention behind it.

technology, scientific understanding of the world and societal advancement obviously didnt play a part in this because even to a bronze age goat farmer it was obvious that two loafs of bread aren't gonna feed a thousand people.

>>213796818
You might actually be schizophrenic my guy, I would say go to a doctor but I'm sure you'll have a reason not to.

>>213796208 (OP)
yes, he did if For You

are we ready for the sequel?

>>213798024
>tranny in a costume is le terrible and dangerous for children
>right wing bureaucrat in Washington who scraps school lunches for children is le good family man
why are rightoids always afraid of smoke and mirrors instead of the actual wolves in their herd.

>>213797943
I love this phrase irl, but since you're not here I'll just make the offer to bring some shit for you to lift to prove this to me or come on over to my place and life some shit in my basement. If you can prove prayer can lift a suitcase I'll give you an inch to a mountain, very in your favor offer btw.

>>213798137
You are not a woman but you are most definitely a predator. 41% yourself.

cartel people do worse stuff all the time
so if that person is supposedly god and allows that to happen, I don't see why you would feel le bad for him

>>213798187
friendly reminder that your local church pastor is 400x more likely to rape your children than some book reading tranny.

>>213797933
Yeah I was forced into Sunday schools. It was pablum to me. Haters can say it's mind control, but there are fundamental values for a species to self-sustain, instead of backstabbing + abuse everyone into oblivion. Plus it's mental health support for some, who may come from bad homes and need to feel "sky daddy" sees worth in them that loving parents should've given.

>>213798055
Because they knew that dumb commoners (like you) will believe absolutely anything so they kept the magic in to inspire awe in retards and let them know they were worshipping something that had the power to make real change in their dreary lives.


The very fact that the books were edited at all should tell you it's not the word of God, but it was shaped by the will of powerful men who sculpted it to their own advantage to keep themselves in power. This is blatantly obvious

>>213798243
my observation is more along the lines of embezzlement + grift. They aren't too sexually repressed + have less exclusive access to unaccompanied kids.

>>213798055
>why does my cult's propaganda book have retarded shit in it

>>213798309
Statistically it's true.

>This summer, join 13 best friends on the road trip to end all road trips! J.C. is a man on a mission to party. But his overbearing Jewish mother is always nagging him, and his dad is a bit of a "control freak". All J.C. and his best friend Pete want to do is chill with their buddies and spread good vibes, but Pops has another thing in mind for J.C.'s future. So J.C. and the boys decide to go on one last wacky bender before his dad makes him join the family business. They have all the booze they can drink, totally trash a synagogue, and meet a bodacious hooker that J.C. totally falls head-over-heels for. The gang gets into hilarious mishaps and learns a valuable lesson or two, and our hero rides into town on his hilarious wise-cracking Donkey (Eddie Murphy). But not everyone can be as hip as J.C.! The town mayor is a total square, and some sneaky locals are trying to ruin the crew's fun! When one of the gang sells out everyone's favorite loveable rascal, it's time for J.C., his girl, and his mother to think fast... and maybe even call in a favor from Pops!

>>213798243
Wrong, faggot/faggot enabler.

>>213798528
you are a danger to your children by allowing them to go to sunday school.
you have no sense of risk assessment, might as well allow them to skip the seat belt too because "you are a safe driver" anyways

>>213796208 (OP)
>He really went through all of this?
Yes. Lucifer didn't anticipate the impact the torture and death of the Christ would have on the world. His memory and message lives on after Him exactly because of the traumatic nature of His death, and the fact that He arose from the dead to prove that He was, indeed, exactly who He said He was from the start.

>>213796208 (OP)
Probably not

>>213798137
>right wing bureaucrat in Washington who scraps school lunches for children is le good family man
made up nonsense, just like your belief you are a woman kek

Why did the jews kill Jesus? Even when the Romans met him they liked him. Pontius Pilate thought he was a good man and wanted to pardon him but the jews were like "NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE KILL HIM AAAAAAHHHHH"

>>213800091
Because the threatened the power of the Pharisees (high priests) so they used their pull to incite the people against him

>>213796372
>nor that he didn't perform miracles
Wait, you guys really believe, seriously, that some dude did change water into wine etc? Awesome.

>>213800128
But Pilate even asked a crowd of Jews to choose between a murderer and Jesus and the jews chose to condemn Jesus. And then they chanted the line "HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND ON OUR CHILDREN".

At what point is it simply "the jews did it"?

>>213800091
Jesus was basically finna set off an occupy wall street type rebellion scenario so they had to do it to em. It's why they still hate him to this day

>>213796372
>fellow religion also believes in stupid shit
Okay

>>213796347
post contemporary sources. NOT interpolations, either.

>Jews did 9/11
>Jews killed Jesus Christ
I'm beginning to see a pattern bros.
Jews are..... le evil?

>>213800404
anon there’s more contemporary sources for the crucifixion than there are that some Roman emperors (aka “the single most important and well-known person walking the earth at any given time”) existed at all. We even have four that are widely read and discussed. You just don’t like them because they make some other claims you disagree with

>>213796208 (OP)
jesus never existed. he was completely made up in apocalyptic visions by peter and later revelations by paul. thought everyone knew this by now

>>213796208 (OP)
yes, he did it for all of us

>>213797522
Based African and South American Christians will save us

>>213800813
he did it for free?

>>213800872
Yes. That’s how you can be sure he’s not a jew despite the idiots screeching otherwise on here

>>213801151
he's a janny then

>>213797370
yes there are, any sort of slave revolt alone would hit hundreds

>>213796208 (OP)
Aren't you just jew/atheist/commie pushing doubt?

>>213800596
post them please. contemporary sources. not interpolations, and not anyone talking about the existence of christians. christians arent jesus. post the sources.

>>213801619
Not him but aside from the gospels which are sources whether you like them or not;

Tacitus:
Refers to Jesus as the founder of "Christians" and mentions his execution by Pontius Pilate during the reign of Emperor Tiberius

Josephus:
Passage about Jesus in his work "Antiquities of the Jews". While the authenticity of the passage is debated, many scholars believe the core account of Jesus's crucifixion under Pilate is genuine.

Mara Bar-Serapion:
This Syrian writer, in a letter to his son, refers to the execution of "the wise king" of the Jews, which some scholars interpret as a reference to Jesus.

The Jewish Talmud:
This collection of Jewish writings contains references to Jesus and his death by crucifixion

Lucian of Samosata:
Refers to Christians worshiping "the crucified sage", providing indirect evidence of Jesus's crucifixion.

It is not debated on whether or not the crucifixion of Jesus occurred because it very clearly did so rather, the biggest and most important reason for Christianity is whether or not Christ rose from the dead to which I would say, based on the evidence, he most certainly did.

>>213801619
Read section one. Most aren’t contemporary, but very, very, very few things are from pre-modern history (example: show me contemporary evidence of Aristotle’s existence). The gospels are four of those exceptions. You not liking the supernatural claims doesn’t change that

>>213800404
>contemporary source
An eyewitness who was alive 2000 years ago?

>>213796208 (OP)
>He really went through all of this?
no, this is what's called making shit up 500 years after he died because you need to be like WOW HE TRULY SUFFERED SO MUCH FOR ME OK

>>213796275
>>213796307
>t. imbecile

>>213797338
lol, uneducated retard

>>213800404
yea, post a video for this idiot

>>213796347
>Not in contention
NTA, but just like the 6 gorillion is not in contention, right? Frankly, its probably bullshit. Why torture someone to death when you can just kill them and end the problem?

>>213802161
You will burn in hell for denying Christ's suffering and death and resurrection.

>>213802850
its well documented how the religion of christianity was created.

>>213802850
Yeah and watch out for those leprechauns yourself

>>213802850
Don't forget they deny Yeshua's foreskin as well.

>>213796208 (OP)
>movie claims to be historically accurate
>doesn't show crucified victims as being completely naked

>>213797098
Then why was he in a public park with a naked boy?

>>213796741
You believe everything chatgpt tells you lmao