Even though they got a lot right, was there anything the dark knight trilogy fumbled?

>>213810723 (OP)
They fumbled making bad movies.

>>213810723 (OP)
Entire third movie was a fumble.
>bane's entire design
>police vs merc "fight scene"
>catwoman
>fake death ending
>robin

Not having Harvey Dent be Bruce's childhood friend like early drafts planned

>>213810723 (OP)
third film could have been way better, the first two are as near perfect as you can get imo.

>>213810783
Everything related to Bane was shit.

The Dark Knight is a shite movie people pretend to like because Ledger heroed. That said, his suicide is odd;Malcolm McDowell played a similar character without killing himself. The film has laughable action, boring characters, dumb dialogue, and a nonsensical idiot plot full of bored idiots. IRL mob would have just shot the joker and be done with it.


The Dark Knight Rises is even dumber movie. The intro scene is retarded, IRL CIA wouldn't just believe Marketta man, IRL entire police department wouldn't just enter the sewers etc. Action is even worse somehow.

>>213810723 (OP)
A lot of the dialogue was stupidly written. Two face was wasted. Fight scenes were average. A lot of batman stuff was underused overall. And nothing felt like Gotham, it was almost too grounded.

I'm thinking most everything about these films sucked. Joker had some okay lines and they were well delivered and Two-face looked cool in my opinion but other than that I can't think of anything I like about this trilogy and I haven't been able to fully rewatch any of the three films in like the past ten years, I end up switching to something else.

>>213810938
>The Dark Knight is a shite movie people pretend to like because Ledger heroed.
Wrong.

Ledger's performance was a masterpiece, the way he articulated the character was unique and his delivery was masterful.

>>213811286
Hello sar

The third movie
>Batman fucking retired over GF dying
>Bane's voice
>Terrible choreographed action scenes
>Bad acting and line dialogue
>Bloated plot that could have been cut down by half
>Ignoring Joker cuz actor died was bullshit
>League of Shadows go from secret society of ninjas to generic terrorists
>Batman is barely Batman through the entire movie and loses constantly
>Gotham now just Chicago and Wall Street.
>Characters acting like idiots so the plot can happen

The trilogy already started to derail off a cliff by TDK but people overlooked all of the fumbled details because of Ledger's performance, which btw, while it was good I will give it that, people like to act like it's the greatest performance of all time which it's not it's just that people were shocked to see a performance like that from ledger of all people.

Anyway lets talk about all of the shit that sucks just from The Dark Knight alone, not even mentioning rises.

>Maggie Gyllenhaal was a terrible replacement for Rachel and all of the scenes that include her are either forgettable or don't make enough sense to work.
>Gary Oldman as James Gordon is still easily one of his most famous roles, while yet every scene with him barely allows room for him to show off his real acting chops. Every scene involving him and GPD is very generic and shallow.
>Harvey Dent. I mean, do I need to say more. Most people forget that he was even in the film.
>Lucius Fox is so terribly underutilized people forget Morgan Freeman was even in the movie. Like, how do you have a film with Morgan Freeman and then upon rewatch go "Oh YEAAHHH, I forgot Morgan Freeman was in this!"
>Decent, but not nearly enough good Batman scenes. Where is the Detective work? Why does this film almost feel like a psychological thriller rather than a dark crime action movie like it should with batman?
>Christian Bale's voice as batman is still laughable, he doesn't sound monotone but imposing, he sounds like he's trying his hardest to hold in a shit.
>Whole 3rd act just falls completely to shit especially with Rachel dead already she should have been part of the final dilemma but they blew the smoke way to early so the ending didn't hit nearly as hard as it could have.

>>213810723 (OP)
They had so little involvement from major female characters (not even Barbara Gordon as a little kid, instead replaced by her obscure brother) that my sister actually bought into the "Bane is Ras Al Ghul's kid" misdirection because she just accepted that they had retconned Talia.

>>213810919
Nah. You were probably 4 years old when the dark knight rises came out so you have no idea how cool bane was. Everyone in highschool thought Tom hardy was so jacked as Bane. Tom’s Bane left an imprint on an entire generation of teenagers who were just starting to hit the gym. He was a meme but he was a cool meme. I remember some jacked kids going as bane for Halloween that year. Bane was cool. The trilogy as a whole hasn’t aged very well tho. Batman’s voice is retarded, the fight scenes are corny, but Bane is still a fun villain.

>>213810723 (OP)
The dialogue with its long-winded monologues is really unnatural and cheesy. All three movies have this issue.

>>213811272
Sounds like a you problem.

>>213812681
Nolan's dialogue has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, everything has to be explained in excruciating detail, even the characters' emotions. Actually calling them characters is a stretch, they're more like ciphers.

>>213810783
>police vs merc "fight scene"
kek

>>213813151
Somebody get this hot head out of here!

>>213812666
>Muh Bane
>t. fa/tv/irgin

>>213813108
The characters in Nolan's films talk like how aliens mighty perceive how humans speak.

>>213810783
I fucking hate that batman wasn't "batman"
He wasn't clever, he didn't do detective shit, he didn't use cool gadgets, he basically just barreled arms flailing every fight, and not even elegantly, just plain punches.

The only gadget he used was shooting some stupid flare up during his fight with bane, but otherwise he just was punch punch punch

>>213813225
But enough of the clown

>>213811381
>>Gotham now just Chicago and Wall Street.
that happened in TDK.

>>213813238
I guess I forgot, he had some weird exoskeleton iirc that just made him punch harder. And he had a floating motorcycle tank but batwoman just took over it the whole movie

>>213810938
Nah, it was genuinely a great theater experience. Back then this was just something you'd expect to see on a given Sunday, with shit like No County For Old Men and other successful Oscar-bait coming out in between, and this being the "popcorn" cinema. Meanwhile today it's a small miracle when something that's even watchable comes out once a year.

>>213810723 (OP)
Begins is good all through; Dark Knight starts off good but the whole last act is utter garbage; The Dark Knight Rises just doesn’t make a scrap of sense start to finish. The memes are still big though.

>dark knight is heady, philosophical, operatic
>dark knight rises is childish nonsense
what the actual fuck happened here lol

Worst depiction of Batman ever put on screen. Strip all comic book elements out of Batman to make it as boring and generic as possible. Strip all mystique out of the character and have everything spoon fed to you. Have Fox the Magic Negro Man figure shit out and make all of Batman’s shit. Have Batman accomplish nothing in Dark Knight except get outsmarted and out played the entire movie by the Joker. And Rises is a dumpster fire of idiocy

>>213813410
Not even close. Clooney Batman is still the worst.

>>213810756
FPBP. The entire trilogy is uninspired shit for normies and comic book posers. Batman Begins is an overly long and boring origin story with nothing notable to say. The much acclaimed Dark Knight, was all hype. I never enjoyed the picture nor it's babies-first-crime-drama themes. If Ledger didn't die, nobody would have given a shit. Then there's TDKR which might as well be only remembered as a meme at this point. Bane is a joke, the plot is nonsensical and the effects are somehow worse than the film that came out 3/4 years earlier.

Tldr, awful trilogy from a hack director

>>213813306
This, but replace The Dark Knight with The Batman 2022. Kino ass opening, mediocre middle and end.

>>213813410
They're basically spy movies featuring imitations of Batman characters

>>213810723 (OP)
For better or worse, it's still the only comic book trilogy, well, mostly TDK, to receive praise from real directors.

>>213813439
That was purposely campy. Rises is far worse because it’s so far up its own ass yet it’s terrible. Why entire movie is a meme

It was always midwit slop. Just like everything else Nolan does.

>>213813491
>That was purposely campy
Yeah and it was shit. I know /tv/ contrarians jerk off to "so bad it's good" material, but no human being with actual taste would prefer that shit to Nolan Batman. In fact, if Nolan Batman came out today without any alterations to it (to appeal to modern political sensibilities), it would be praised just the same.

>>213813410
>>213813454
>awww man these movies suck, they are just dumbed down for normies. If you read the comic you'll know how deep batman really is. Like the time where he built a suit of armor that was powered by demons from hell and he flew around the universe fighting darkside, but then the batman who laughs showed up and they clashed in space as millions of batmen from alternate universes rained down from the sky, and batman used his 12th level super intelligence (even though againg he's just a normal guy) to deduce the antilife equation in an alternate universe and threw them all in arkham with the condiment king!

They're shitty piss yellow and teal-colored Nolan movies

>>213810756
first post worst post

>>213813533
It isn’t a Batman movie. As a precious anon said, just Nolan making Batman into Bond. Shit the entire plot of Rises he lifted from World is Not Enough. Funny, since Bond later ripped DK off with Skyfall

>>213810723 (OP)
Not enough quips, too many white people

Most of The Dark Knight trilogy is great, except for the Dark Knight himself.
>Ridiculous armored gimp suit with a terrible cowl
>Chain smoker with a cold voice
>Horrible fighter
>Barely does any detective work
>Poor man's Batcave
Don't even get me started on the Tumblr. One thing he did that was good was the gliding, which i prefer over swinging from ropes, which is Spider-Man's thing.

>>213813600
>most successful Batman movies aren't actually Batman in nature
Damn.. Batbros we can't stop taking Ls

>>213810723 (OP)

Batman quits multiple times, hell i think he's only actually Batman for a couple years tops. That's not Batman!

>>213813551
No, Batman better with less is more. He didn’t even have a fleshed out origin. He was this mysterious boogieman people didn’t know if he was even human. We don’t need to know how his shit is made. Who cares.

>>213810723 (OP)
I actually liked them. This is before my cancerous generation (millennials) started being afraid of movies taking themselves seriously. Everything since has been reddit coded.

>>213810723 (OP)
I don't remember the first 2 well beyond vaguely bats refusing to kill for the league of shadows but then deciding he didn't have to die, and was 2 the hero we deserve scene or was that a different batman trilogy?
But man I can shit on rises plenty, I actually think the plane scene is good unironicly (justice for dr pavels lack of sticky) but pretty much everything else is truly awful, the particular stand out stinker for me is that big horde of cops getting stuck

>>213810723 (OP)
fight choreography

>>213813656
I actually spent time rushing through wikis to make that post indirectly shitting on the comics, I was hoping people would come in to defend the comics.

>>213813686
that's one aspect where taking the realistic approach was a mistake, as that fight style is applicable irl
snyder's batman had the best fight scenes by a country mile

>>213811381
>Bane's voice
Is great you tasteless fag

>>213813695
While I think comics mog comic book movies overall, they also have lower lows, and cinema is a different medium, with different strengths. A direct comic book adaptation isn't always the best idea, especially if it's some LSD ridden silver age crap.

People now shit on Burton’s Batman but he was closes to the golden age Batman. Mysterious boogie man, only a flashback of his parents getting killed. Cops want to arrest him, he isn’t working with them. Kills bad guys. Actually figures out how The Joker is poisoning people. Very surreal environment

>>213811381
banes voice was fantastic you little homosexual

>>213813749
Burton's Batman is generally pretty well received. People shit on Schumacher Batman and it's mostly justified. Only /tv/ likes that shit out of contrarianism.

>>213813732
Bane is a deep voiced Cuban, not a posh mustache twirling queens english Britbong.

>>213813613
Also simps for Rachel

>>213810723 (OP)
They're alright. To the surprise of everyone, vidya got Batman the most, with the Arkham games. Good blend of BTAS and a more realistic Nolan approach.

>>213813206
I overhead press your maximum deadlift for reps. I have a six pack and a bodyweight of 220lbs. I’d beat the fuck out of you and your limp wrist we pussy daddy at the same time. I could fuck your mother but she’s too ugly and fat for me.

>>213813838
Kevin Conroy>Any live action Batman actor

>>213813987
While he's indeed a great voice actor, just the depiction itself overall was really spot on, imo. It has the fantastical elements of the comics without being ashamed of it and being too campy, it still takes itself seriously.

>>213813987
Just a retarded take. Let’s compare a gay voice actor who died of AIDs to live action

>>213812876
Hasn't been one

>>213813838
Vidya is slept on as a medium for this genre. MvC and Marvel Rivals also did well with the same material. The Telltale Batman games got a lot of things right too.

>>213814079
BTAS is objectively better than any of the live action movies, you fucking retard.

>>213813970
Muscles are incredibly gay coded, you will die a decade younger than me since your muscle-fat and I'm a cute otter, and my mother is content with Tyrone, who is 221lbs, 7 pack abs and more inches than a novelty slide rule.

>>213810723 (OP)
Not re-casting The Joker was a mistake.

In the comics The Joker has done all sorts of crazy shit to his face including cutting it off and using it as a skin mask. So it would have been easy to cast another actor and stick a latex death mask taken from Heath Ledger's corpse on his face, but Nolan chickened out.

Instead we got the Scarecrow taking The Joker's role in part 3 at the last minute with minimal re-writing, the whole scene feels off as a result of the character not matching its actions and means there is no point at all to the 2nd film in overall.

>>213813151
The one of the worst “charge” scenes in history.

>>213814445
Most of Heath was hidden under makeup, and theirs plenty of good impersonators out there to carry his character.

>>213813410
Nolan certainly forgot about Batman being a trained ninja who deals in stealth after Begins. Him showing up throwing big wide haymakers getting his shit kicked in by random goons ganging up on him.

>>213810723 (OP)
Only things I don't like are Robin and Talia.

I think all of these movies are boring and soulless. They certainly are better than the marvel slop that came after it but there's something to be said about making a super hero movie and being ashamed of the fact that it is a super hero movie.

Spider-Man 1 and 2 are so insanely superior to these movies that it's not even funny

Only begins is somewhat a batman movie

>>213813306
>The memes are still big though.

For you.

>>213810723 (OP)
The editing. Two face character progression. The entire third film. Stunt men.

>>213810898
Second film has a fucking mess of a third act. This is nornal with Nolan though, as is his horrible editing (which is obvious when he cites Michael Bay as an inspiration).

>>213813749
The only people who shit on Burton's Batman are the Batman doesnt kill autists.

>>213817625
I prefer the Dark Knight films, but your point still stands and is indicative of pre-Spider-Man capeslop between the O.G. Superman and Spider-Man. All the directors were like
>Fuck, I have to make a cape-slop
>Okay, I'll make something else entirely and put a cape-fag in it
Spider-Man was when a director said
>I'm just gonna put a Cape-Slop as-is on screen

>>213810723 (OP)
I think Nolan’s Wayne/Batman was the worse of the new trilogy

He just didn’t had the appeal

>>213813600
Casino Royale was Batman Begins, Skyfall was TDK, Spectre (secret society and a big guy) was TDKR

>>213810723 (OP)
Nothing, they were kino

>>213810723 (OP)
Second half of TDK is actually way overrated. Joker's plans make no sense and Health Ledger's performance gets old. And Aaron Eckhart was a total miss, he can't emote for shit.

>>213810723 (OP)
Batman could have had better fight choreography. Also the third one was underwhelming compared to 1 & 2. Still the best Batman movies though.

>>213810783
This. I don’t ever rewatch TDKR, just the first two as a duology.

>>213810723 (OP)
not referencing joker in the third

>>213819983
Same. I can't even watch the beginning of TDKR without thinking of Bane memes.

>>213810723 (OP)
the entire last movie was a big fumble that only gets remembered for its meme potential

>>213810723 (OP)
Still the gold standard for cape kino

>>213813987
>>213814015
Based.

Batman would never retire. His tech somehow got worse each movie. Rachel is ugly.

>>213810898
I enjoy the first half, then the movie falls apart as soon as the police get trapped underground.

I really can’t get over what a colossal fuckup Rises was. They had the perfect setup for a great Batman movie coming off of TDK.
>Batman wanted by the cops, no longer working with them and a true vigilante
>mob is all but destroyed between Joker and the Dent Act
>good foreshadowing about Gotham slowly being filled with more looneys due to Batman’s presence
This last point especially. It was hinted strongly during Gordon’s escalation speech at the end of BB and Joker’s interrogation scene in TDK. This was also a major theme in Long Halloween and Dark Victory. Batman’s presence marks the turn from organized mob violence to comic book freaks coming out of the woodwork. We could’ve had a third Nolan movie where a hunted, jaded Batman is fighting an assortment of classic villains in a changed Gotham. Instead Nolan decided Batman was going to just quit and Gotham was going to become boring. I truly believe he nuked his own trilogy plans after Ledger died and phoned in Rises.

>>213810723 (OP)
TDKR is a mess. I actually appreciate the time skip and Bruce's story in that movie, though. It's not all bad. It's a more entertaining and more interesting movie than The Batman.

>>213810723 (OP)
TDKR was a trainwreck like you could only make in the late 2000s/early 2010s

>>213821092
>I truly believe he nuked his own trilogy plans after Ledger died and phoned in Rises.
I used to believe that too, but he wasn't under contract to do a 3rd one. He was the one who approached WB with a script and he keeps going to bat for this movie.

If it was phoned in he would've just ignored it in interviews

I couldn’t understand a fucking word Hardy was saying

>>213821482
Damn, so he really did just botch it himself.

>>213810723 (OP)
TDK is full of awkward exposition and dialogue, and some other silliness, and TDKR is just lazy and generally terrible, although unintentionally funny. The only think that was done right is Batman Begins is mostly okay. And Ledger is pretty cringe in TDK.

what was nolan actually thinking with this shit?

>>213821549
Everything points to that - no one forced him to do it, the entire script was written well after Ledger died and he keeps talking about it like it's some misunderstood masterpiece

Just doesn't sound like a movie that he never wanted to do

>>213819983
>>213820165
I watched it last week. It is terrible, but hilarious.

>>213811286
>dude I'll lick my lips and smack them
masterful indeed

>>213810783
I assumed they were planning a third movie with ledger but after he died they just shitted out whatever for contractual reasons

>>213810783
TDKR is better as just the plane scene in isolation as an experimental short movie.

>>213810938
I figured CIA might have noticed that one of the hooded mercs he picked up was like a foot taller and 150 pounds heavier than the rest, but then I remember that Nolan's Bane is sometimes 5'7 when he can't be standing on a soapbox (like he obviously is in the 'I'm necessary evil' scene)

>>213810723 (OP)
Batman Begins is the only one that even pretends to happen in Gotham City and has a minimum of mystery about the setting.
The latter two are just set in Chicongo.