Why is modern Sci-Fi so shit?

>>213818352 (OP)
Because we're living in a tech dystopia.

>>213818352 (OP)
Non-whites, who have no authentic relationship with the genre.

>>213818352 (OP)
You have to be one of two things to write good sci-fi, either be highly intelligent, or not afraid to appear sincerely cringe. And since sincerity of any kind is the biggest nono and everyone is a retard, you get shit like ex-machina lol

>>213818361
This is probably true, but I'll add that we have become more individual and therefore see our own personal issues as the most important now (hence the rise of things like gender identity). We no longer dream of a future together

>>213818361
Basically if we take tech any further than what’s currently feasibly possible within the realm of current level of advancement and possibility it’s just magic

>>213818352 (OP)
literally every sci fi idea was first conceived of in the 1950s or earlier and there hasn't been a single new idea since then

They don't want to go pulp and they also don't want to go full transhumanist material warfare (The Creator is a rare example that sort of did). So what you get is mostly science geek shit with no edge.

There's some killer stuff wasted on shoddy shitflicks like Captain America (Winter Soldier with the elimination list). Or Ready Player One.

>>213818352 (OP)
Classic Who
>meant to be disposable trash
>is mostly kino
NuWho
>meant to be kino
>is mostly disposable trash

many such cases.

Solaris-style 'meaningful' science fiction? yeah, still pops up from time-to-time, it's fine.

fun popcorn sci-fi? yeah, they don't know how to do it. that whole Black Mirror episode with the DARK N TWISTED Star Trek pastiche, i wanted to watch THAT show. fuck your 'extra layer', fuck your irony/postmodernism.

>>213819120
norm writers think the audience needs a nod and a wink and for it to be drizzled in irony for it to go down. I think they're kind of right, given the state of general audiences. anything that isn't "realistic" they aren't interested in

>>213819120
>fuck your irony/postmodernism
Millennials really did ruin everything artistic

>>213818352 (OP)
To add what other anons have already got on about, I would argue part of it also comes from the lack of means for writers to emerge. It used to be a lot of people could practice their skill and gain recognition through print media. There is not really the same short story outlet, both genre and non-genre that there used to be. What magazines do exist barely have an readership, and I imagine a lot of it just diffused across various internet forums where people do not make money off of it. There also just seems to be less ease of being able to enter television writing, since the model has shifted towards fewer episodes. It used to be that American television was dominated by 22-26 episodes seasons, and even British TV could range from anywhere from 8-24 (even if typically say between 8-13). Now much of American TV is just 6-12 episodes, with year long gaps between season releases. British TV has defaulted to 6 episodes, often not episodic but what are effectively made-for-tv films dragged-out into parts, that are often just written by a single writer. Obviously there are more countries then that (like Japan has its own industry, I am sure say France has a domestic TV production industry and so on), but it is effectively America and then arguably secondary the British that traditionally were behind a lot of this. Like NZ does not have the population and industry to be a sci-fi or general media titan, Poland could say produce great sci-fi or general media but it not being in English limits it. You then the have the general industry issues of: 1) nepotism meaning the best do not get in; 2) a lot of people are just diversity hires; 3) a lot of people are just writers without any real or interesting experience outside of that; 4) you have to toe the line which means everything becomes samey as a bunch of people 4.1 never get allowed in, 4.2 get pushed out, or 4.3 get limit themselves to stay in the industry.

>>213819078
>>meant to be disposable trash
>BBC proceeding to destroy recordings of what would be considered some of the best serials

>>213818352 (OP)
The Cybermen are so based, but i feel no appearance is as good as their first, when they are just completely apathetic

>>213819802
all episodes until 1976 where meant to be junked at some point because there was never any re-runs, and recordings were kept only as long as they could be sold to overseas networks, that is generally just a few years. but the guys junked old prints more or less at random so some survived 10 years without getting picked while others lasted only a few months.

>>213819889
Tomb of the Cybermen was their finest hour.

>>213819889
The best thing about them in The Tenth Planet is they get across the actual idea that these are people that have effectively mutilated themselves into cyborgs. They then sort of drift into just being robots across the 2nd era. Then for the rest of Classic they are weird emotional robots. By Nu they just rebooted them as stompy robots and then whatever the fuck those op high tech ones were.

Best Cybermen?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eyNzPVoN0s

>>213819977
I really love Troughton in that story. His small stature really helps sell the cybermen as horrifying, yet he can still do all the classic impish Doctor outsmarting them stuff without diminishing them

>>213819889
Tenth Planet is a weird one for me in how they basically do not actually defeat them. I am not talking about how obviously they survived, but how the Doctor himself basically says all they have to do is weight and the Cybermen will run out of energy or whatever it was. Sure there is the aspect of the Antarctica base stopping themselves being killed by the Cybermen, but effectively the story is just letting time run its course and the Doctor buggers off to die.

>>213820092
there are some stories in Classic like that where the Doctor does almost nothing and the story basically unfolds itself. Caves of Androzani and Colony in Space are other examples.
fundamentally Doctor Who is a science fiction anthology show with the extra trick that you can plug the same character in every story with the ability of never being a complete fish out of water. so it's inevitable that sometimes the initial story is so much fleshed out that the writer doesn't really manage to plug the Doctor in it in a meaningful way.

>>213820362
The Doctor actually was supposed to have a greater part in The Tenth Planet. It was Hartnell's ill health that led to his role being reduced, with a bunch of the lines being given to whatever the lead scientist at the base is called. What makes the serial stand out is the Doctor says early on that they do not even have to do anything. The actual threat to the story is more it being a proto or early base under siege story, in part with the threat being more people on their own side rather than the monster. The serial seems like it would have been somewhat different if the Doctor was actually more engaged in it, but as it was, due to Hartnell, he is not.

The golden age of sci-fi happened because people actually read magazines and books where original stories were published. Then that laid the foundation for TV and movies.

These days the best sci-fi is in video games.

>>213819889
love these motherfuckers like you wouldn't believe.

>>213820092
>>213820362
the Meddling Monk is just trapped in a box, forever.
they only just properly brought the Celestial Toymaker.

for every
>shall we see him again?
>perhaps, some day.
a ton of OTHER villains/monsters just get left.
i mean that's just the nature of how they wrote them, but it's pretty funny. no killing, no redemption, just fucking off to the next adventure.

>>213820971
>they only just properly brought the Celestial Toymaker.
He was supposed to return in the Sixth Doctor run, again played by Michael Gough but the cancellation in 1985 (which is what it was even if it now gets called hiatus) stopped it. If I remember correctly there was something about the Great Intelligence supposed to have been appearing again in either the 2nd or 3rd Doctor eras, but there was so dispute over the rights.

>>213820971
>a ton of OTHER villains/monsters just get left.
That makes sense for a lot of them. They are either just shit monsters in concept or design, or they are just that limited in what you can tell with them. If anything the other issue is more of a problem: when they have an interesting villain/monster and they run them into the ground. Weeping Angels in Nu come do mind. Even something as iconic for the show as the Daleks there is not really that much to do with them in the way they have shifted them to be. The only Dalek stories that really do anything distinct are The Dead Planet, The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks, and anything like Imperial vs Renegade type infighting (which is just an idea found in Evil). Things like Day, Planet, and Death are just the same beats of The Dead Planet. Genesis is not really a Dalek story, it is a Davros story. Destiny, Resurrection, and Revelation are all effectively Davros stories - and even Remembrance becomes about Davros as well. In Nu the only real distinctly new idea is Daleks vs Cybermen, which is not really any substantive. Victory is just a inferior execution of Power. Magician's Apprentice is a Davros story. A lot of the Dalek stories in Nu get resolved by ddeus ex machina. Into the Dalek just a redo of the same idea of Dalek, with Dalek being where the Daleks peak in Nu.

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>>213821880
This. Woke hiring leads to woke slop.