This hasn't aged well in a post-Sopranos world. I'm sure in the 90s it was probably really interesting, but it's just boring now. A doctor whose morals are so upset that he stood to gain from other's murders takes it upon himself to get to the bottom of it all? And the investigating isn't even interesting. He's going around Germany and people just fucking answer his questions? The blind guy was just so convenient. He hits a dead end, and the last person he asked asked for leads for his investigation is neighbors with someone who knew his quarry. Just so boring. About to drop this.

>>213871233 (OP)
I got super bored after like 5 episodes or so. I don't understand the glazing it's absolute pseud slop

>>213871233 (OP)
I've felt this way about every Urusawa manga I've read, perhaps I'm a brainlet but there's just nothing about his works that grab me

>>213871233 (OP)
The ending was a huge copout, too.
>will docta Tenma shoot Johan or not? He was struggling with this for the whole story, what will his final decision be?
>actually he will make no decision at all, he will be absolved of this story long moral dilemma by a random drunk that shoots Johan instead
fuck off

>>213871233 (OP)
it's clearly spelled out for you at the very beginning about his morale, his backstory shaped his morale
he despises people who treat human lives lightly just so they could get promoted in their job

>>213871233 (OP)
It was mediocre when it released. Manga/anime has this problem where something that is phenomenal for their scene gets rave reviews, but is shit when held up to film.

>>213871233 (OP)
Oh really it's bad because modern crap is good? Lol okay bro. We don't even get dark and gritty shit anymore.

>>213871324
Nah you're not brainlet we've just moved on greatly from an era where such moral grandstanders as Doctor Tenma were gripping. Especially when he's held against such cartoonish (as in unreal and stupidly simple) characters as the director of the hospital, and his two co-surgeons who are also murdered. Just when you think there's some depth to the story, like when the hospital director says
>You did what you thought was right. That's good enough.
The author goes
>lol btw the director replaced him as head of neurosurgery
And that stupid ":OOO" moment with Eva says
>Some lives are worth more than others
No fucking shit. Or when the blind guy tells Tenma
>The boy was listening to my WWII stories.........with a smile
As if we don't live in a world where people watch horror movies for the gore. I have no idea how Monster got as big as it did. A dub in 2025? Where are the standards?
>>213871422
His backstory is that he had a thesis he wanted to research in Germany because his older brother was going to take over the family practice. He doesn't have one thing to say, at least this early in the story, about his parents instilling any values in him.

>>213871462
This. Anything that gets a 10/10 in anime, take it with a grain of salt, because it's closer to a 6 or 7, but everything else is so shit it seems amazing. Look at Frieren for example.

>>213871394
>t. didn't get the message
the anime is saying that murder is always wrong, tenma is ready to taint his hands just to kill the psychopath
at the end of the series tenma remains clean, never killed anybody, he remains pure
tenma is basically The Dark Knight with no-kill policy
and johan is The Joker trying to corrupt tenma

>>213871480
Its shit because its shit. Interesting premise, and cool ideas, but its a fucking mess.

>>213871512
Nta, the message was clear cut, but that doesn't fix everything else.

>murder is........le bad
whoa........thank you miyazaki for enlightening my eyes

>>213871233 (OP)
>This hasn't aged well
It wasn't ever good.
It's a literal copy of the manga.
They didn't adapt it at all - they left in all the stupid exposition that comic books have to do, like characters explaining what's happening every step of the way.
You're supposed to take all that shit out and do it visually when you're making a TV show or Film.

One of the worst directed animes i've ever seen. (good premise though).

>>213871480
It's bad because in season 3 of Sopranos, you have the two city councilmen who enact a scam with Tony to fuck poverty stricken blacks out of housing. At the end, they have a heart to heart about why they got into politics in the first place, and how their morals became eroded at the tide they kept "shoveling shit" against. "If we don't do it, somebody else will." If that storyline were in Monster, the councilmen would have laughed to themselves and said something like
>Oh, my dear Tony Soprano, this is just the way the world is!!

Overrated shit.

It's more believable for the doctor to be the psychopath instead.

>>213871233 (OP)
disagree, rewatched it recently and found it good enough to follow through to completion. nice ambience, decent side stories, good soundtrack. whatever

>>213872256
>Johan didn't really exist
>murders always take place around the same time Tenma arrives somewhere
>he makes him up in his head to cope
>Lunge was right all along
That would be a cheap twist

>>213871486
I think people are just simps for anime. Pluto is just as banal as Monster yet is universally praised.

I felt like GiTS and Time of Eve did everything Pluto did, but better so I went and rewatched those. They were a lot worse than I remembered. Made me feel like I'd outgrown anime a little. I enjoyed watching Planetes for the first time a couple years ago though.

>>213871748
Anime are always shortstrapped on time and budget. Making some big creative effort that works out would have taken a lot of time and sometime the original publisher or author aren't too keen on that.

>>213872411
The original GitS is very heavy on the expositional dialogue front. It's jarring at times.

All anime and manga is awfully written. Yes, even the "good" ones. The sooner you accept this, the better

>>213872411
The show Ghost in the Shell aged visually a lot, but I still enjoy the story a great deal. It's a nice setting to get lost in on a rewatch.
>>213872445
I don't think that's to its detriment really. Movie's too good.

Anime threads on /tv/ are like Superman threads; one really pissed off guy making half the posts and everyone else popping in for 1 post digestion and walking away. What's the point.

>>213871512
>the anime is saying that murder is always wrong
Then Tenma should have made a choice not to shoot, not be robbed of that choice by a random fucking drunk. I got the message just fine, you on the other hand seem to not know what a copout is.
>tenma is basically The Dark Knight with no-kill policy
Tenma already made a concious decision to shoot Roberto with intent to kill before, that he didn't die was also a lucky copout. This was right after Roberto interrupted him from killing Johan the first time. He made a concious decision to spend months learning how to kill and carry a killing implement with him at all times for the explicit purpose of killing Johan. Pure my ass, he was simply deus ex machina'd out of being a killer every time.

You might as well put a serial killer is solitary confinement, then claim he made a recovery because he didn't kill anyone. You're fucking stupid.

>>213871233 (OP)
Only gotten better since considering the slop you losers glaze.

>>213871233 (OP)
Go back to /a/

>>213871233 (OP)
this, I tried it twice, people swear by it, but its just mid af. Maybe it was a product of its time. The moral-highground doctor, and a psychopath that doesnt behave as a psychopath... eh its just not doing it for me

>>213871233 (OP)
I dropped it a few episodes in. Looked interesting but too long and boring

>>213871233 (OP)
basically everyone but tenma and johan are fun enough to watch. his bitch ex has more going on than the protagonist and antagonist combined

>>213874598
We needed more Grimmer and the Czech cop

>>213872411
>GiTS and Time of Eve
Oh i thought I would still like them when I rewatched

>>213871233 (OP)
just skip to the ending it's the only good part tho it's a low bar and nothing much is really explained and what is explained is pretty empty and pointless

>>213871512
>muh message
Why are you retards always like this? Typical midwits who confuse the show gaving a message with the message making sense. The ending was a fucking copout. The entire show is one extremely long buildup with no payoff whatsoever. Instead of just keeping some things vague, it chooses not to commit to any idea. For fuck's sake, it fails to even show what Johan's plan was. His most elaborate scheme involves dressing up like his sister, for fuck's sake. Ironically, that's the most coherent thing about the series.

>>213871233 (OP)
>tranime
pass

I can't believe I got tricked into watching this. I always forget anime watchers are children and have no real experience watching content with actual complexity and depth. So they got tricked by this larping as such.

Master Keaton > Monster

>>213871233 (OP)
>in the 90s
The Anime is from 2004 dumbass

>>213876347
This is why you never get anime recommendations from anime fans. Only from normal people. Otakufags actively hate good things. I bet Legend of the Galactic Heroes is discussed more often on /tv/ than on /a/.

>>213871462
>>213871498
Lmao that was maybe true 15 years ago, nowadays most of TV and film is unwatchable slop that makes modern Anime look good

>>213871324
His stuff is all too aimless and ambling with sparks of good. That robot one that aired on netflix a couple years back wasn't even that long a series but I quit because it was so fucking boring and I lost the plot and what the point of it was meant to be.

>>213871748
The manga was at least completed before the anime started so they didn't have to pad out the series in filler so they don't catch up

>>213871233 (OP)
I thought the entire story was kino but the way the show was structured bothered me a lot.
>see character
>they introduce him
>they give you a reason to get invested in the character and his story
>switch to a new character
>"wtf I was just getting interested"
>they give you a reason to get invested in new character
>they switch to a new character
>"wtf I was just getting interested"
>repeat
They did that for almost the whole show

>>213872555
Name a tv show and movie which you think are well written

>>213876403
I love both, but Keaton was pretty cool. Not sure if I could say I like one more than the other. Very similar setting to Monster except episodic (so without the overarching cat and mouse chase).

>>213876509
It's retarded because they essentially turned an inherently serialized story into an episodic show.

>>213874732
GiTS (the movie) is all style no substance. I mean, there is some deep stuff in there, but it's hidden under technobabble that made me uninvested in the story. The tank fight is still amazing.

Time of Eve almost has the opposite problem. The visuals are not very high quality. It felt like watching a visual novel on my rewatch.

>>213871233 (OP)
this definitely fits the "FROM THE TWISTED MIND OF..." meme

>>213876513
Citizen Kane

>>213871233 (OP)
I did watch it and finished it. The soundtrack is pretty great and the initial premise is good. But as it goes on it just keeps going, to the point where the initial premise feels like an after thought. There's also no reason for it to be animated. The story could've been done perfectly in Live action and it probably would've been much better. Overall it's a chill show I guess, The ending is interesting. Just never gets to the heights of something like Death Note. I wish it was more psychological and was about tenma secretly being johan the whole time. That would've been kino

>>213876518
Master Keaton had other 2 guys writing cases, Monster was just Urasawa alone going in circles. I bet if they had the same 2 guys from Master Keaton manga into Monster, things would have been better entertaining wise

>>213876863
Well Yuasa's animes still hold up imo. Ping Pong especially.

I watched 20 episodes maybe a decade ago before dropping it. I remember it being super boring

I only like code geass and death note. other anime mostly seems shit

>>213877589
I hated Ping Pong's artstyle when it was airing. Maybe I'll revisit it to see if my tastes have changed.

I dropped the manga cause it was boring as hell and Johan's constant asspulls weren't interesting at all.