>Needs well over a billion to break even
>production is running aimlessly like a headless chicken, likely going to be a disjointed mess
>Marvel is on a string of flops, films have no hype behind them, all the movie has going for it is the avengers name and the Fox X-Men
Has there even been a single good piece of information about this movie? It needs a miracle to this movie to break even.

>>213875307 (OP)
If this only makes like $800m it could be a genuine death blow that puts the entire MCU in the bin and forces them to do a hard reboot and start over

It won't even break 720m

>hire a zesty individual
>multi billion dollar franchise implodes

>>213875307 (OP)
Brie Larson will save this movie, she's wholesome and likeable /ourgirl/ now.

>>213875307 (OP)
It's fucked. They've literally ignored how badly all the new race swapped muh feminism blactivision characters have done in ratings and at the box office. And they genuinely think creep show Pedro could just be put in as the main character for everything after one film and everyone would clap and talk about how brave they are. I'll bet cash money all the 'member berries Fox X-Men are only there so Fiege can put them as trailer bait before shitting on them and killing them off in seconds in the movie.

>>213875338
>>213875350
It will probably reach a billion, but will still underperform. It's first avengers movie since Endgame

The problem isn’t really “superhero fatigue.” The MCU is struggling because its current roster is weak. The biggest names like Captain America, Iron Man, and Spider-Man have already been used, and all the best plots the writers could think of have already been done. On top of that, there is a financial crisis right now.

Kevin Feige needs to be put out to pasture, the guy has nothing left in the tank creatively.

Hand it off to somebody new and cap your output at 2-3 projects a year tops. Let the new guy launch the X-Men with zero Fagee input whatsoever!

>>213875307 (OP)
>>213875377
>>213875384
I'm waiting for someone to drop the bag and openly make comparisons between Marvel movie production and CIA department compartmentalization

>>213875435
>Kevin Feige needs to be put out to pasture, the guy has nothing left in the tank creatively.

I am no fan of Kevin, but it's not his fault. MCU has already used it's best characters and storylines

>>213875542
The two most popular Marvel comics are Spider-Man and X-Men. It's the MCU that warped our perspective of those characters because Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow were not Marvel A-listers before the MCU, they just made do with that roster because they sold the rights to their hottest properties years before.

X-Men are untouched, Fantastic 4 only just got there and Spider-Man is still available. This alone should be more than enough to work with

I think it's funny that everyone thought FF was going to break Superman's legs but Superman blunted FF's momentum.

>>213875687
Their Spider-Man is a dud and the only real option to replace him is pulling out Miles Morales and that's really unlikely to do better. They managed to kill all the hype for X-Men just by churning out shit for 6 years, nobody is excited to see a new take.

This film needs xxx23's bush in it to break a billy.

>>213875687
Nobody likes F4, only decent parts are Johnny friendship with Spidey and some Doom shenanigans.

>>213876132
>They managed to kill all the hype for X-Men just by churning out shit for 6 years, nobody is excited to see a new take.
So MCU is cooked because they killed all the goodwill with shitty movies, not because there are no stories and characters left.

The X-Men alone could warrant a decade of content if they played it correctly, but they didn't

>>213876320
>The X-Men alone could warrant a decade of content if they played it correctly, but they didn't
They waited too long. They should have gone straight into the mutant stuff after endgame but they arrogantly thought they could spend a decade spinning their wheels with z list characters and people would stay interested.

>>213875307 (OP)
The fact that even haters can't stop talking about it basically confirms this thing is making at least 2 billion.

>>213875687
X-Men are popular, however, I don't think they were ever as popular as IronMan and captain America, and their movies were always meh at box office.
>X-Men are untouched,
probably waiting for desperate moment

>and Spider-Man is still available.
they are literally making fourht movie about him right now

>>213875338
>forces them to do a hard reboot and start over
That's literally already the plan. Doomsday will have Battle World where Doom combines a bunch of continuities into one planet that he rules over. Secret Wars will have Reed (or someone else) 'fixing' everything at the end and trying to put it all back to normal but inadvertantly causing a hard reboot where they can just start over and recast everyone.

This new MCU will get 1 phase of movies, they'll all flop horribly, and the MCU movies will be put on ice for a while they pump out a bunch of shitty D+ shows and occasionally a good one.

>>213876700

>X-Men are popular, however, I don't think they were ever as popular as IronMan and captain America

Oh no he's retarded!

>>213876756
>start over and recast everyone


so MCU wants to make Iron-man,captain america etc like bond? just make 3 or so movies, then reboot?

>>213876770
why did X men movies earn less than Spiderman or the first mcu movies?

>>213875307 (OP)
you forgot:
>brutally mogged by the GunnCU

>>213875435
>Kevin Feige has no creativity left
The haters' definition of creative: "copy the comic exactly with zero changes to anything"

>>213875542
>MCU has already used it's best characters and storylines
More accurate to say it wasted them. I can't really name you a major character whose MCU version I like more than their comic version. Thor, Hawkeye, Hulk, they're fucking travesties if you compare them to the comics.
As a matter of fact, I'd say that's the biggest problem with the MCU. It doesn't feel like Marvel, it feels like a generic blocbuster media franchise
>>213876700
>I don't think they were ever as popular as IronMan and captain America
Completely wrong. Before 2008 most normies only knew Spidey and the X-Men, maybe also the Hulk, and that was it

>>213876883
Kevin Feige's definition of creative: "make the exact same movie over and over again regardless of the source material"

It's not like Disney has ever invested a fuckton on a bloated budget project that ended up as a massive flo-

>>213876795
Good question. Iron Man had better special effects and RDJ.

>>213875338
This IS the hard reboot, things are grim enough they got to this conclusion themselves.

>>213876700
>X-Men are popular, however, I don't think they were ever as popular as IronMan and captain America, and their movies were always meh at box office.

>X-Men - 3.9x budget
>X2 - 3.7x budget
>Last Stand - 2.2x budget
>Origins Wolverine - 2.5x budget
>The Wolverine - 4.2x budget
>Logan - 5.2x budget
They were doing great outside of the utter dogshit ones, those are better box office results than MCU's Phase 1 solo films

>>213875377
We would like her not to get into this shit. She has a lot of projects where she can use her talent.

>>213875354
He was already in X-Men 2, moron

>>213877351

SOON!

>>213877383
She's not Ms. Marvel.

>>213877351
>She has a lot of projects where she can use her talent.
Selling feet pics?

>>213877422
Why? She's multimillionaire.

>>213875418
Having "Avengers" in the title means nothing anymore. Did Thunderbolts' box office soar when it was revealed that the real title was The New Avengers? No, because no one gives a fuck about them.
Yeah there are RDJ, Spiderman and Deadpool in this one, but time passed, fatigue settled in and I don't see any MCU movie doing more than 800 milli like that anon said ever again.

>>213877422
Have you seen her feet?

>>213875307 (OP)
The only post endgame thing I remember watching is no way home, everything else is like a blur. Seriously, what the fuck were they doing besides F4 and X-men which would have been the obvious thing to do?

>>213877422
Selling brie cheese made with her toenail fungus bacteria

>>213875418
I don't see it reaching a billion. Marvel has been in a slump and not even Galactus could bring butts to the theaters.

>>213876953
>Before 2008 most normies only knew Spidey and the X-Men, maybe also the Hulk, and that was it
This is true, I'd seen those in films and TV shows before. I was only aware of some other character names from hip hop lyrics.

>>213877774
It was:

>S-tier
Spider-Man, X-Men

>A-tier
Captain America, Hulk, Fantastic 4 (mostly because of Doom)

>B-tier
Iron Man, Thor, Daredevil, Deadpool, Punisher

>C-tier
Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Widow, Ant-Men etc.

>>213877892
With Captain America being a weird one because his image and character was very well known, but no one cared about his new comics in the 90s/00s

>>213877892

Guardians of the Galaxy was C-List for about 15 minutes in 1990/91 and when that series ended they were literally a dead franchise for a decade and a half. That Marvel managed to turn them into a household name is an amazing story.

>Jonathan Majors beats his wife
>The MCU dies because of it

>>213878942
Just FYI there's no video proof of that happening. Marvel just looking for excuses to replace Kang with Doom.

>>213878942

Kang could have worked but not with the way they wrote it. Those multi dimensional Kang scenes in Ant-Man 3 were an absolute joke and his intro in Loki was meh too. He saved them a humiliating defeat if he was supposed to still be the big bad in 2026.

>>213876953
>>213877774
>>213877892
You all forgetting about someone or y'all motherfuckers trying to ice skate uphill?

>>213877995
That was the power of the early MCU. People would throw money at tickets because they trusted that the movies would be fun spectacles even if they weren't familiar with the comics. Increasingly bad effects, writing and agenda driven characters have absolutely decimated that trust and they're not getting it back.

>>213877892
Cap is C tier too, X-Men and Spidey has unlimited reruns of their 90s cartoon series that made them popular/S tier. The Capcom fighting games also started with X-Men before Marvel Super Heroes which is just basically Spidey/Wolverine/Hulk/Ironman/Doom popularity machine, so Ironman Hulk and F4 are A tier from that.

>>213875307 (OP)
didn't they already call one of their movies "doomsday"?

>>213875307 (OP)
This will be the Marvel Rise of Skywalker that puts future films into endless indefinite hiatus and cancellations.

>>213875354
shut your whore mouth, alan cumming is based and a better actor than anyone else in the mcu

Do we already know which actors were involved in that altercation at Marvel?

>>213875307 (OP)

They hire Hugh Jackman as Wolverine and the money should be rolling in. They already have Deadpool and Spider-man who are both able to bring in the audiences.

>>213881495
Replacing wolverine with x23 for a 2nd time, you guys are dorks

>>213881182
Alan Cumming is the only actor to condemn infant circumcision and is therefore the best actor.

>>213875377
Brie's in it? Fuck.
BOMB incoming.

>>213875687
>because Iron Man, Thor, Hulk and Black Widow were not Marvel A-listers before the MCU
You're right overall, but Hulk was 100% an A-Lister before the MCU, there's a reason why Marvel sold off the film rights during their financial struggles

so what IF this shit really underperforms?
isnt this like disneys last trump card?

>>213881495
>I pay Disney for showing some actors in a movie, not interested in the movie itself

A true believer...

How strange Star Wars, Marvel and Pixar collapsed.

>>213875435
>Kevin Feige needs to be put out to pasture, the guy has nothing left in the tank creatively.
This

>>213879282
I think they (or at least >>213877892) is focusing on the comics. Blade was C tier in the comics and usually didn't have his own series.

>>213876883
Feige’s definition of creativity is just “make character black/gay/brown”.

>>213882678

Eh. I used to hate Wolverine and even Snyder's Superman. But ever since Ellen Page died and became Elliot Page, my hatred has greatly diminished. Let Marvel make their Wolverine movies so they can rake in the cash.

>>213877138
don't fall into the trap of equating shitty foxmen's box office with the general value and popularity of x-men.

>>213877559
meh the theater system is dead, these films go on digital a month after release. The number doesn't mean anything anymore.

>>213883103
Yeah you can't really glean anything from box office numbers. They could get away with making a few hundred million in the theaters and still make a massive profit from streaming.

>>213883239
>Streaming
>Profit
Oh, anon...

>>213875542
You dont know shit about comics

>>213883334
yeah, I'm not a virgin. I have casual POV

Bump.

>>213883334
Yup. That idiot doesn't realize Marvel still has black Wolverine, asian Spider-Man, and female Captain America waiting in the wings.

>>213885187
blackton America

>>213875307 (OP)
Hopefully this kills all capeshit for the next 20 years

>>213882478
its a shame he probably only condemns it because he probably likes rolling his tongue under them

>>213877608
Some guys are into it.

>>213879953
>>213877892
Yeah. There was a reason Marvel killed off the Avengers and FF during Onslaught to reboot them with Heroes Reborn. They brought back guys from Image to boost sales bevause those books were dead. Ironman was so D-list that they had already killed off Tony and replaced him with his teenage self from the past.
Spider-man and X-men, especially Wolverine, were the stars of Marvel Comics in the 90s and 00s. Too bad for Marvel Studios Sony and Fox had those film rights. So they had to pump up the then C-list Avengers for their films. And even then Hulk was in limbo.

>>213875307 (OP)
Is that character somali?

>>213875542
I somewhat agree. Kevin is only part of the problem. They need people that actualluly like the comics. At least they got rid of the man hating lesbian exsec.

>>213887101
>Too bad for Marvel Studios Sony and Fox had those film rights.
This also shows who were seen as Marvel's big hitters in the late 90s/early 00s, when Marvel was having a firesale on film rights due to their bad finances they sold Spider-Man, X-Man and Fantastic 4, because those were the ones studios were willing shell out the $$$ for

No one wanted to pay for the opportunity to make an Iron Man or a Thor movie