>Charging dock
>TMR Joysticks
>Good non-clicky d-pad
>Trigger stops
>stable 1000hz polling rate
>Gyro
>native steam input to remap the four extra buttons
>cheap
Name a better controller for PC, I dare you.

Dualsense is better cuz of haptic feedback and symmetrical sticks

Why, my peanuts weenus of course :)

>>712371520 (OP)
That actually looks fine, but it has xbox layout.
Pass.

>8bitdo
Chink trash

>>712371858
While haptic feedback is cool, the Dualsense has dogshit battery life and d-pad. Also no extra back buttons is a huge L. I can't go back to controllers without at least 2 back buttons for mapping things like Dodge and spell change for Elden Ring. I hope Nintendo's Switch 2 controller coming with two backpaddles will set the standard for controllers in the future, because, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo adopting extra buttons would create a new standard for games to have more controller inputs.

>>712372423
every controller is made in china lmfao

>>712371520 (OP)
>8shitdo
Enjoy your connectivity issues within a month.

>>712372316
>>712371858
>symetrical sticks
you're either a bunch of tiny hand femboys or big homos who like it when their thumbs kiss.

>>712371520 (OP)
Gamesir usually has all of those but with less input lag, upcoming G7 Pro looks promising

>>712371520 (OP)
Does steam input now detect 8bitdo ultimate as different from xbox controller? I've been remapping back paddles via their chink app till now

>>712373008
I meant face button layout.
I don't really care about the stick's positioning, I can use either.

>>712371520 (OP)
Scuf envision pro. Get someone to gift it to you or steal it but you will unironically never be able to go back to any other controller

>>712371520 (OP)
Vader 4 Pro. Hands down the best controller I've ever used

>>712371520 (OP)
>8bitdo Ultimate 2 Wireless
>8bitdo Ultimate 2c
>8bitdo Ultimate 2.4g
>8bitdo Ultimate 2 Bluetooth
>All different controllers with different features
I know this company is run by Chinese so their English isn't the best, but this samey naming scheme is beyond an ESL problem, it's just straight up retarded.

>Ask Rufus

8bitdo were perfect before they were bought by microsoft

I just want a wireless controller with back buttons that can be freely macro'd to keyboard inputs or whatever I want (as opposed to, like, only buttons that are already on the controller itself), has gyro, and works on PC, Android and Switch without needing a USB dongle. What's my cheapest option?

>>712373301
You need to update the controller and set steam client to either non-standard update channel . You also need to wake the controller with Home+B for D input mode.

>>712373132
where did you get that low latency information?

>>712374417
They aren't owned by Microsoft though.

>>712374417
lmfao if they were owned by ms all their controllers would be 79.99 minimum

>>712371520 (OP)
you forgot the part where the build quality is trash.

>>712374818
The controller in the op can rebind back buttons to keyboard inputs thanks to native steam input support. It'll work with Android through Bluetooth and the included USBC dongle. No switch support, you'll have to shell out extra for a Switch dongle for that. Avoid the "Bluetooth" version marketed for Switch like the plague, it actually doesn't work with the Switch 2, has worse latency/polling rate, and no steam input (possibly ever).

>>712371520 (OP)
Dualsense because it's more comfortable to me. I don't give a fuck about any stick drift shit or non-ideal polling rates, I don't play anything competitive with a controller anyway.

>>712371520 (OP)
I'm currently waiting on the steam controller 2 to release.

>>712372462
>>712371858
If the switch 2 pro controller had symmetrical thumbsticks it would be the best cause rumble 2 is equal to haptic feedback, the material feels better, and like said back buttons.

>>712375669
8bitdo build quality is actually really good, but you only ever hear about the edge cases online. First party controllers aren't scrutinized anywhere near the same extent, people just assume they're good by default and blame bad luck if they get a lemon.
My 8bitdo Pro 2 and M30 have been solid for 2+ years with near daily use on my Mister retro set up, and I'm looking forward to the N64 controller (though I wish it came in Atomic Purple).

>>712376156
How's the D-pad on it? The first Switch pro had ghost diagonals.

>>712376362
bought the fight stick and it was ok. bought the sn30 and it was ok. bought the ultimate and it was crap. it had uneven seams and sharp plastic that bit into the hands. the texture of the plastic was all terrible feeling. i ended up returning it a few days later.

>>712373486
>I meant face button layout.
Dis nigga gotta look down at his controller

>>712371520 (OP)
>no back paddles
trash controller

>>712373008
I don’t grip the controller I let it rest on my fingers so I can plink buttons by jiggling the controller around

>>712372316
Yeah, the Saturn layout would have been so much better. Only 4 face buttons is obviously too few! Sadly, every controller now is stuck with goddamn Xinput cancer.

>>712377514
It has two back buttons and two extra shoulder buttons that aren't obtrusive because you need to press them with your fingertips. Honestly it's a lot more practical than controllers with four back buttons. I love my steam deck, but honestly I only ever use the top two back buttons to bind L1 and R1, because the thing is too big to reach those buttons and the bottom back buttons comfortably.

>>712371520 (OP)
Found a good channel about controllers
https://youtu.be/I3i_MVwJHXk

>>712377859
>Sadly, every controller now is stuck with goddamn Xinput cancer.
We're slowly leaving x-input hell thanks to microsoft exiting the console race and Playstation (D-input) becoming the standard. It's gonna be wild if Master Chief Collection on PS5 has gyro support.

>>712378182
>Very Good but ALSO Kinda Bad!
Honestly, this is how I would describe it. The sticks are good, the buttons are good, the d-pad is kinda bad, and the build quality feels kinda cheap overall. Still a good controller for the price and at least the sticks won't drift.

>>712371520 (OP)
>>cheap
days of play bargain, Dualsense is $55

>>712378868
I love the Dualsense but I'm dreading the day it gets stick drift because as many people posting about it I'm sure it's going to happen. I already have a problem with the left stick where it makes a squeaky rubbing noise when I move it towards the top left.

>>712378868
I'm tired of buying Sony controllers after having 2 die in as many years. At least the first time it was under warranty so I got a free replacement.

>>712378445
>the d-pad is kinda bad
It's actually really good for fighting games, you get a soft tactile click for every input. People rate it harshly because the shape suggest it'll be a cross gate d-pad like the Super Nintendo controller where diagonals are harder to press rather than a radial d-pad that rolls around easily like the Series X dish or Saturn pad.

>>712371520 (OP)
I use the vader 4 pro

the only (very minor) things i dont like about 8bd controllers is they run a bit a small and i accidentally hit the underside buttons pretty easily.
the only first party controller i'll buy anymore is dual sense because it's a bit bigger and with steaminput the touchpad can be highly functional. battery life is of no concern to me since i leave all controllers permanently plugged in.
i had a red series x controller i really liked until it nearly died to a game as simple as forza. both sticks became loose and the dpad got weird where if i clicked left (as the series x dpad is super clicky) it would act as if being held down.

>>712380252
I'd be interested if those extra face buttons were in the top right instead of down where the meat of my thumb would be. Why there are no good dual stick six button face controllers boggles my mind, The layout has a niche for fighting games, even though TECHNICALLY shoulder buttons for strong punch and strong kick are better.

>>712380902
The series x controller has some kinda alloy domes that snap back into place after you depress them. My guess is you mashed left too hard or dropped the controller and the force bent a crease in the dome.

>>712371520 (OP)
buy an ad
we don't like products here

>>712378210
>We're slowly leaving x-input hell
Lol
The only real advancement is that modern games usually (but not always) support both protocols now. Both of them are extremely outdated and Microsoft has no interest in trying to fix that for whatever reason.
Steam Input would be the end-all be-all of input APIs if it didn't require you to run everything through Steam. Valve should really just turn it into a standalone thing like they did with Steam VR.

>>712381356
>Valve should really just turn it into a standalone thing like they did with Steam VR.
The main benefit of steam input is remapping the controller through the steam client. What you're asking for is some kinda lightweight steam client just for controllers so you don't have to boot shortcuts of games from other clients through steam proper.

Was the Neogeo controller discontinued? I can't find it on Aliexpress anymore

>>712373008
Post pics of your thumb placement

HELP ME LADS
Looking for a basic wired Xbox controller (no extra 'pro' buttons).
These two seem comparable. Which go for?
Also the Saar seems a lot more expensive than the 8bit (same prices on Amazon too). Reckon that reflects higher quality, or not?

>>712371858
Based. Don't really like the dualsense personally, but symmetrical sticks are essential.

>Flydigi just released their Apex 5
>the Apex 4 sticks are apparently the best so the 5 likely will be the same or better
>but they don't have an internal restriction gate that prevents the sticks from actually touching the outer rings like the Vader 4 does
>Apex 5 has M1 and M2 near the shoulder buttons but took away the C/Z buttons from the Vader 4 pro just like the Apex 4 did
>has 4 back paddles instead of buttons but no manufacturer has been able to make controllers where you can swap the back buttons between actual buttons and paddles depending on your preference
>the flydigi software doesn't let you map keyboard combinations to the back buttons, only single key presses(at least on the vader 4)
>Vader 4 didn't even come with alternate d-pads or thumb sticks yet plenty of other manufacturers do

It's like each manufacturer only gets a limited amount of boxes they can check off so they always have to leave features missing. Oh you get trigger stops but no extra back buttons, this one gets rumble and gyro but no hall effect sticks, this one gets replacement d-pads and stick caps but the buttons are membrane

Fuck off China

>>712386845
But membrane buttons are superior to clicky shit

>>712386845
If the market is saturated with 8-9/10 controllers, consumers will be happy with their purchases yet just annoyed enough to still consider new purchases
you'll never check every box without taking the DIY pill

>>712371520 (OP)
Series X with modded in hall effect analogs.

>>712375047
>>712373301
will it support gyro?

>>712371520 (OP)
*hits diagonal*

This or Dualsense?
Sell me on it marketer-kun

>>712387175
>you can get ice cream with sprinkles
>or with nuts
>or with chocolate syrup
>maybe even two at the same time
>but never all three
These money grubbing chinks

>>712371520 (OP)
>Name a better controller for PC, I dare you.
Any console controller. Ideally Xbox if you're on Windows, but Playstation and Switch work just fine too, specially on Linux and Mac as the drivers are included in the Kernel.

3rd party controllers work for most part but I always tend to eventually find some annoying issue, so I completely stopped using them.