Thread 712388726

>fantasy or science fiction game is completely centered around humanity
>humans are the youngest or most inexperienced but still can beat alien empires, demons or ancient monsters despite the gap in technology and power
>humans are somehow coveted by the females of different species or races
Stop doing these cliches.

>>712388726 (OP)
Gay.

>>712388726 (OP)
>look this fanfic up
>the sheep doesn't get boned

>>712388726 (OP)
Fortunately that llama's holes are safe as the humans' desire for rape has been satisfied by Deltarune. Based Toby Fox

Humans just want to see humans in their fantasies. Either for relatability or self-insertion. That's a blackpill for our capabilities of fiction - we just can't and don't like imagining worlds without us being the poster boys everywhere and/or at least being in them. It's like "error not found" for our brains.

>>712388726 (OP)
I don't get this meme.

>fantasy or scifi story
>treats human like the unflattering, psychotic and destructive animals they actually are
>every other race is scared of, reviles or is destroyed by them

>>712388726 (OP)
I've always loved this picture in an autistic way. When you combine the smiling, which is a threat display to literally every other creature on earth, with the red-eye from the shitty Panasonic camera of course the guys come off looking like demons. I bet they're two top tier blokes though look at how they're treating the little sheep thing.

>>712388726 (OP)
hfy niggas thinks this looks cool

>>712388726 (OP)
Good.
Rip the aliens out entirely.
Focus on scifi tropes without the unnecessary aliens muddying shit up.

>>712390269
You don't love that picture in an autistic way, you love it in a hindi way! Because you're a brown, smelly, stinky, poopoo-skinned pajeet! Good morning saar!

>humans have more willpower than all other races
>humans are more charismatic than the elves or 8 foot tall axolotl aliens or literal gods
>humans are the center of all attention across the cosmos or whatever kingdom they live in, everyone wants their commerce, investment, land or cooperation

>>712390479
Good morning sir! Internet par apne bhaiyon mein se kisi ek se milna hamesha accha lagta hai! Gujarat mein aaj ka din bahut hi sundar hai!

>>712390656
BINLAN MENTIONDED :DDDDD

>>712388726 (OP)
the dog getting mindraped was not cool :(

>>712390872
>>712390872

>>712389340
Does he get killed

>>712391580
No, nothing ever happens.

>>712388726 (OP)
>YAY WE GOT REINFORCEMENTS! ... from the penal regiment....

>>712391738
>bro what if the structure and layout of the universe itself was bent in our favor for no reason
Not a single HFY holds up to rereading when you aren't 14 anymore.

>>712391580
No, humans are actually good guys.

>>712391905
why did you stop being 14?

>>712388726 (OP)
>every other race gets cool stuff
>humans power is just stealing everybody else's stuff and somehow making it better

>>712391905
>luck cannot possibly exist

>>712391580
He gets mindraped so hard all he can think about is human men

>>712388726 (OP)
I have read a nice Nature of Predators HMOFA fanfic

Honestly the HFY angle that feels most plausible is OP and pic related

If a species has to be far morally better than us to achieve ftl travel then we're a massive hazard. It's possible that we're the most violent and sociopathic sentient species in the galaxy and it's a fluke we haven't wiped ourselves out yet, and if some naive alien ever boosts us over the Great Filter then woe betide the galaxy

>>712388726 (OP)
>fantasy or science fiction game is completely centered around humanity
This in particular. It severely limits potential scope of story in addition to being overdone.

>>712388726 (OP)
the human race is unironically God's favorite out of all races he created in the Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDzGD7tUe1g

>>712391580
Literally gets mindraped and lobotmized so fucking hard that he reverts back to the constantly fearful mindset he had at the very beginning of the story and is incapable of even functioning on his own anymore, with him only vaguely remembering the human soldier guy he bonded with from near the start of the story. The sequel then all but outright states he died in a pathetic state of being constantly fearful and alone and the soldier guy goes full schizo under the belief he can 'fix' him by helping to advance synth/mind uploading technology to recreate him like he was.

>>712388726 (OP)
There truly is no reason whatsoever to not make your setting human only if you're just going to make the cool non-humans just props.

>>712388726 (OP)
>developer makes a sequel and gives up halfway through
Somehow wrote the most unlikable gay man in fiction

>>712389727
According to you?

>>712388726 (OP)
human men

>>712388726 (OP)
I mean, have you seen how humans actually look, as in their actual core and the storage for everything that makes a man a man?

>>712391905
my brother in Christ, you are on Earth, the most goldilocks just-right planet we can possibly imagine

>>712392386
The average person has little to no empathy. FYI, projecting yourself onto others is not empathy.

>>712389340
There's a lot of spacesheeps, and a female one was presumably fucking the human ambassador. The Confederates and Islamic terrorists had a baby that didn't like humans fucking the sheeps because it was cultural appropriation. The sequel story has all the important characters be homogay, so you can probably assume they were cornholing each other across the stars. There were some lizards too, but they mostly were eating everyone else because their planet didn't have any useful animals like steaks. They were probably not fucking anyone, but I can't guarantee they weren't by the time the galactic gay orgy thing happened.

>>712392343
Apparently he's doing a new series
Does he still rush everything and yadda-yadda his way through scenes like in NoP2?

>>712388726 (OP)
why does an artists psychopathy imprint into the faces of Xher drawings

>>712392454
This doesn't look like a pile of secrets

>>712388726 (OP)
>sci-fi setting
>there are no aliens, only intentionally-mutated offshoots of humanity and cryptic creations of an AI overlord from the future
also child bride uoh

>>712390269
Why does some faggot always mention this in every thread

>>712392494
No, I want this sheep (male) being boned by these particular men. I don't want some offhand mention of 3rd party intercourse.

>>712392225
>>712388726 (OP)
>humans are the second most evil species in the galaxy
>aliens have to choose psycho monkey niggas over psycho lizard niggas and hope for the best

>>712392464
Nigga we don't live in the TERROR-ZONE, where all aliens INSTANTLY FART AND DIE but humans get the thumbs up for absolutely no fucking reason. We've got nice weather for bacteria.

>>712391738
>Humans find out they are partnered with the ancient evil.
>They just go along with it and eradicate everyone that opposes them anyways

>>712392464
>the most goldilocks just-right planet we can possibly imagine
only because humans can only view everything as human centric or life on Earth centric since they literally have no other guideline

>>712392646
imagine being just a giganticmass of biowires connected to a bulbous mass, how loathsome!

>>712392031
Not in the context of written or imagined fiction, no.

>>712392464
The microbe in a puddle might also think it was born into exceptional circumstances. Still, the idea of us being in an advantageous part of space isn't that unlikely.

>>712392816
Why do you /pol/trannies always need to spam?

>>712392454
>when the human structure is made up of an alliance of three separate entities all trying to move in unison
>one wrong move is enough to the tear the whole thing apart

>>712392723
It's hard to imagine life outside of the context of liquid water and for some retarded reason liquid water can only exist in a range of like 2% of the various fun temperatures planets are available in

>>712392495
>Does he still rush everything and yadda-yadda his way through scenes like in NoP2?
Pretty much. He writes his stories where things happen because characters act like fucking retards. Humans send an ambassador to some aliens and some alien noble just straight up shoots the fucking ambassador because the story needs to progress.

>>712392225
Good lord this hag.

>>712392561
More like HRT lol, only troons like HFY

>>712392870
OP brough his xenophilia as the conversation starter. Leftists will frame the conservation in their angle and act stupid when you point it out.

>>712392464
What does that even mean? We have no answer to that question since we haven't seen any other forms of life. For all we know, there could be life existing under totally different conditions.

>>712392904
the fact humans are also legit animated and powered by bioelectricty to the point they will legit spazz out in epileptic seizures if the signals are wrong is ridiculous, literal flesh golems

>>712393018
Yeah, people who aren't mentally ill don't need politics in their entertainment 24/7 unlike you and your libshit enemies.

>>712392495
>Does he still rush everything and yadda-yadda his way through scenes like in NoP2?
Yep, and he's doing the same shit where he rushes into making dozens of chapters per day and speedruns key plot elements without slowing down which is what caused him to get burnt out on NoP 1 & 2 in the first place.

>>712392454
Imagine how cool it would be strapping this into a battlemech with the brain and eyes in a cool dome filled with a scifi bubbly liquid

>>712392816
Conservatives see empathy and kindness as weakness, so to them, the only possible conclusion is that it's liberals who are the mentally ill ones. "The sin of empathy". That a Republican congressman used that actual quote is telling about how some think.

>>712392490
Ironic

Anyways, aliens are cool and humans make great travel buddies for them.

>>712393135
Thats just Metal Gear Rising.

>>712392343
It's amazing how quickly he burnt up most of his good will and utterly trashed the setting he made because he stupidly burnt himself out too hard and too fast.

>>712392870
They're insane and literally can't engage with reality without seeing their delusions everywhere.

>>712388726 (OP)
>humans find alien species
>just to cuddle their soft fur

>>712393246
>literally just a shit talking head from Cambodia
The one that Pol Pot could never truly suppress.

>>712393157
Literal outgroup bias isn't empathy, it's hatred of the people you view as most similar to yourself

Like when they did that huge racial bias study and determined the single most aggressive racial animosity in the US is felt by white liberals, toward white people (every other race and demographic had a mild ingroup bias, and it actually refutes one right wing talking point because blacks, Asians and Hispanics don't loathe whites nearly as much as white liberals do)

>>712393094
Secular cosmology and the devaluation of humanity created in the image and likeness of God is not political, you are right, it's greater than politic, it is philosophical battle between good vs evil. The left means left handed which means sinister, to go against God's design and rebel with Lucifer.

Reminder humans are literally flesh automatons controlled by their brains even without knowing - every single thought or desire they have first is filtered by the subconscious involuntary part of their loathsome brains before ""they"" even truly register it - how pathetic and backwards!

>>712390269
It' stupid too because in actuality, humans are cute like your picture

>>712393465
Take your meds and, unironically, touch grass because you're out of tune with your mind and body. The Devil loves it when people act righteous for the wrong causes.

>>712393456
>Literal outgroup bias isn't empathy, it's hatred of the people you view as most similar to yourself
Scarcity/zero-sum mentality.

>>712393502
>subconscious involuntary part
That's also just me. It's not some outside force. Conscious and subconscious acts of your body are still all within your body. My heart doesn't beat on it's own impetus because it's some parasite.

>>712392306
well this stinks

>>712390132
That's always kino. Enjoyed that in Scalzi's books when you get the reveal that the humans were the big fucking monsters of the universe

>>712393582
>Protestant vs Catholic fight
Dis gon b gud

>>712393671
>Scalzi
Yeah he would be writing that trash.

>>712392343
I only read partway through Nature of Predators. Do the Venlil unfuck their knees and noses?

>>712393582
Your deceptive rebuke is not supported y tradition or scripture, there is no stopping this, your Neil DeGassy Tyson constructed pseudoreality is falling about because it is lame and gay.
>>712393502
>

>>712388726 (OP)
Together we can beat them anons :)

>>712393636
>he thinks he has any control
Your heart literally beats regardless of your whims.
If you have nerve damage, no matter how hard you try and will for it you will not get your dick to get erect, and that's literally because your nerve cells at your spinal cord where the issue originates from automatically release a substance that prevents the nerves from regenerating, simple as

>>712393654
Let me make it entirely clear here - the author HATED Slanek (the sheep boy in the OP) and gave him the worst fate out of any major character in the novel almost certainly out of spite. Pretty much everyone else, including actual war criminals, came out the other end more or less fine. Except Slanek.

>>712393157
Empathy is earned, not a right.

HFY simply doesn't make sense when the mass of humanity, independent of race, age, gender, origin are barely above apes. The entire mass of humanity is only propped up by extreme outliers, mediocrity is law, regression to the mean.

>>712393819
Yes

>>712393587
most likely those people had no father or some other form of shit family, their ingroup never properly forms so their broken brains treat dogs or random strangers or immigrants or whatever like family, george carlin never knew his father and look how he turned out

>>712393926
wait, the author of the story? the guy who made and continued to write the character hated him? or is this some weird fan thing?

>>712390132
>game follows a bunch of human nations split along political lines with ayys thrown in or directly profiteering from the ensuring carnage
>spooky race shows up from the outside to upset the status quo with a level of tech that's orders of magnitude above the rest combined
>they were the actual humans all along the others are humanoids that developed outside of the sanctity of Earth

>>712389340
>>712392306
What in tarnation, I thought OP's picture was just a spin on XCOM with a furry slapped on it.

>>712392685
And that's already astronomically rare that any bacteria have come along to enjoy the privilege. And in the context of this story, where 3% of the entire galaxy is covered in this stuff, that's a very probable area to throw a dart at. That's like the size of Montana in the US. In the realm of probability we've already won the odds on, that's still betting numbers.
The real thing worth throwing a fit over is how we are immune to the crazy space.

>>712393852
Yup, all me.
>control
Obsession usually caused by molestation.

>>712392796
>[screams telepathically]

>>712394173
That's part of the problem and exactly what I'm complaining about. It's a stupid little story that exist to propose "what if we were magically just the best for no reason? what if the universe sucked my dick?"
Like all HFY is.

>>712392464
Goldilocks planets around early K type stars are more goldilocks than pur goldilocks and we are close to the inner edge of said goldilocks such that Earth will become a dead desert in 1 billion years. Suffice to say we are quite niggardly compared to the ideal.

>>712394372
>only have a billion years left to break the veil before we turn into space dust
Grim

>>712394052
The former. SpacePaladin, the guy who wrote both NoP 1 & 2, decided out of the blue to make it so Slanek - who was a major POV character up until that point - got captured and literally lobotomized by the evil shadow illuminati running the massive conspiracy that had basically plagued the entire galaxy for millennia. There was no warning or foreshadowing that this is what was going to happen to him and instead of resolving or fixing it by the end, he's left as a broken wreck who is far worse than he ever was at the story start and dies completely afraid surrounded by what are practically strangers to him.

>>712393038
>For all we know, there could be life existing under totally different conditions
Explain how in the actual fuck complex life can evolve or exist without the basic, yet most crucial thing in existence: water. Its like when people say aliens can somehow be 30 foot long, masses of tentacles with no eyes yet can somehow build space travel.

>>712394507
We simply don't know. For all we know, carbon life is actually rare and silicon life is actually much more common. We only have this planet as a sample size, so we have little clue on how life would normally develop.

My favorite depiction of humanity in a space-faring setting is that of a sleeping tiger, capable of retrofitting all the innovative modern tech into exponentially bigger and better designs, held back solely due to how recent our first contact with aliens is.

Shame Mass Effect chickened out of that depiction because the average normalfag wouldn't be able to fucking relate if 95% of the game didn't feature the square-faced flesh robots they called humans in that fucking franchise.

>>712394507
I don't have to. The amount of the universe we've observed is so fucking tiny, we've seen 6,000 planets out of at least quadrillions, and there are clearly many things we don't understand. We learned what particles were 200 years ago. Subatomic stuff was predicted but there was a lot that was predicted wrong and there's a lot today we don't understand about it. I would take the odds that there could be other forms of life in the quadrillions of planets out there over the odds that there isn't.

>>712394072
yourrr THOUGHTS?

>>712392454
Damn, I look like THAT?

>>712394909
yes but you need to defeat the skeleton inside you first to get there

>>712394507
They won't
they never will
they'll always be hiding behind the agnostic creed
>YOU CAN'T KNOOOOOW
as though basic physics will stop working to permit their dumbshit ideas to happen

>>712393950
Apes are pretty exceptional in the animal kingdom man

>>712394971
>trusting that faggot meatnigger over your based skelebro
Ngmi

>>712394632
What do you mean we don't know? The only you exist now is from proven environmental and physical adaptations people have studied since before your bloodline even existed. Thats not intrinsic to Earth.

>>712393950
This actually terrifies me in an existential way.
Like at any point, we might accidentally kill off or breed out the genes that make humans innovative. White people dying out might actually just be the end of the species. Sure the negros and browns will continue on breeding but they'll die when the sun expands and kills them without any comprehension of it.

The white race might be the sole way humanity gets off this rock and it freaks me out that its not a guarantee we stop feeding third world ingrates and manifest our destiny.

>>712394867
Remove Advent

>>712388726 (OP)
I'm going to make something like this except it ends in cute gay sex.

>>712392225
>woe betide the galaxy
Damn right. HUMANITY FIRST.

>>712388726 (OP)
Humans are just better. They can accomplish more than the other races in a shorter amount of time.

>>712395224
NTA
But Earth is still a sample size of one.
We have never produced self replicating chemistry in the lab, so we don't know other ways it could be done. That entire branch of chemistry is barely in its infancy because we still haven't cracked abiogenesis. Until we do, we can't definitively say what is or isn't possible as a basis for life.
DNA itself could be a limiting factor in how we evolved and we can't know until we study something else, or build up enough evidence that something else doesn't exist.

>>712394507
There have been speculative works about how life could emerge using ammonia instead of water. And ammonia may be less common than water in our solar system, but not by much

>>712394632
>We simply don't know. For all we know, carbon life is actually rare and silicon life is actually much more common
We don't know, but we can guess.
Germanium based life is possible, but we have reasons to expect it'd be very rare. The same applies to your silicon life.
The issue is that at higher atomic weights, everything needs more energy and is more unstable.
As such, even if silicon based life eventually is more common, carbon based probably arises much sooner/quicker.

>>712395965
Guessing is fine, they're even educated guesses. Making an affirmative claim that life must be carbon-based is the problem.

>>712393852
>Your heart literally beats regardless of your whims.
That's because my whims tell it to beat. And even if try to fool myself by pretending I don't want it to beat, it won't work, because I want it to keep beating way too much.

>>712396246
The claim isn't baseless its based on our existence or the concept of convergent evolution.

>>712396335
Yes. "Our" existence.

Reminder that primates are terrifying and any space setting should have everyone shit themselves at the idea of space-age chimpanzees. We get a lizard brain fear or reptiles while reptile aliens probably get instinctual fear of some hairy biped bashing their brains in with a rock.

>>712396510
Yes because were the perfect example. Proven by years of studying physics. Your example is just:
>Well thing might exist because it may exist but you can't prove your theory even though its been studied for years so ha!

>>712396335
>convergent evolution.
Except with absolutely nothing to base our understanding of exobiology on, we have no idea how convergent toward earth biology anything will be.
I see people use the convergent evolution argument all the time to justify bipedal rubber forehead humanoid aliens and it pisses me off to no end. These people have no idea how much coincidence and comprises and specific niche strategies went into the human body plan. No understanding of how shittily made the human body is and how even one change a few rungs down our evolutionary tree would have entirely changed how "we" ended up.

>>712396694
It has a lot more to do with philosophy of science. The matter isn't settled, and it should be presented as such.

>>712389727
Meanwhile nearly every popular kid's movie in existence, things that people continue to reference and enjoy into adulthood, has an entire cast of non-human creatures. Maybe humans aren't limited to fantasies with them in it but it's just a lot easier to make those.

>>712396510
>how do you do fellow humans

>>712396747
Alright settle down Dave

>>712396795
Non-human creatures redesigned to look and act like humans. Why do you think they all have big eyes and sing songs about being best friends?

>>712396560
What if it turns out that instead of being orcs, humans are actually the elves of the galaxy? We live for some eighty years while most species only live for twenty or so years. Our wars usually go for a month while their wars typically go on for years. We're delicate for our hairless, bare skin, while they have armored carapaces. If we're the chimpazees, everyone else are honey badgers. We might actually be the only ones who give enough of a shit about our planets to think about perserving and maintaining the environment while most races just trash it in their pursuit for space travel.

>>712396896
No. I will not.
People need to APPRECIATE just how fucked up the human body plan is. How crappily we compromised in order to walk upright. How much damage we do to ourselves just existing because evolution said "savannah walking is needed now". They need to know how precarious our position is so they can actually appreciate being an upright monkey for once.
Too many people have this impression that the human body is the pinnacle of evolution when its basically a hack job.

>>712395959
Ammonia based abiogenesis has been debunked for decades.

>>712397250
I love my wisdom teeth and appendix. They're fantastic.

only scifi shit I hate is fucking progenitor civilizations that are more advanced than everyone else just because

>>712397439
Yeah, it's kinda weird. It's not like the Romans had plasma technology.

>>712391580
It's unironically a decent concept, but wasted on the author honestly just not having talent.
Every chapter is basically:
>Mildly gay sheep thing is mildly gay with mildly gay human guy
>Their detractors are all evil and retarded
This gets repeated literally like dozens of times in a row, and we never even get a hot scene where the alien gets piped in the ass.
Shit pisses me off so bad.

>>712392306
But why did they do that to him?

>>712396747
By your argument we need to throw all existing physics and scientific progress out the window as their hypothetically could totally exist a completely alternate universe with absolutely no contact with ours with completely different physical laws.

>>712397250
Pretty sure it's considered that our brains only got so big because we went upright. Pretty much every flaw with the human body is a tradeoff for thumbs and a consciousness.

>>712397439
It comes from the fact that civilizations won't necessarily arise at the same time. A civilization that managed to evolve even a few million year ago could easily just own the whole Milky Way, even without FTL. And a million year head start is a long fucking time. The conditions for life have existed for at least that.

Hell, IRL we're beginning to suspect we might be the Projenitors because we might be the first on the scene in our own galaxy.

>>712396785
It is very obvious that you have no scientific education beyond an introductory level.

>>712396560
>orangutans in spess
>becomes one of the most peaceful and technologically advanced powers in the cosmos
>chimps, bonobos or Dr Zaius forgive me for uttering this word baboons up in space
>everything goes to complete shit

>>712397560
Why would we throw out demonstrably proven things with evidence for them? When you have hard evidence that only carbon-based life can exist, you should submit a paper, it'll make waves.

>>712397742
>Here's your Dark Forest scenario bro

>>712388726 (OP)
>Stop doing these cliches.
No.

>>712396560
Lizard brain fear? I get lizard brain boner

>>712397764
>Why would we throw out demonstrably proven things with evidence for them?
Because in fantasy land it's possible that they might not be true somewhere else, just like your argument previously discounting established views on abiogenesis.
>When you have hard evidence that only carbon-based life can exist, you should submit a paper, it'll make waves.
Such papers already exist, but you will obviously never read them, much less understand them.

>>712398080
Continuous breeders are relatively rare in nature, so I think it might be probable that humans are unusually horny.

>>712397742
What if we started colonizing other planets and we simply thought "man this is a bit shit. I like trees more than breathing air from a bag" and we just chilled out?

Maybe every alien race has already gone through this. Turns out living on one billion inhospitable space rocks just isn't as appealing when you can do it.

>>712397560
What? No.
We make guesswork based on what we have, sure. But we don't make hard statements like "only carbon based life can exist" because we also don't have evidence thats true either.
Xenobiology, is all speculative. There is no evidence for anything in any direction. But there are a lot of popsci authors and people who don't understand either evolution or biology making very confident statements that they cannot back up. That is my issue. Especially when it trickles down to people who just repeat it because they don't even understand that very tiny amount of evidence those popsci authors do have.

>>712397569
Most flaws in the human body are a trade off for bipedalism. And there's a million different theories about what encouraged the large brain growth. We probably would not be intelligent if the specific pressures of savannah living, tribal communities, communal hunting, communication, social pressures, throwing objects, cooking meat, and a hundred other things weren't all simultaneously pressuring us. But there's no telling that a different body plan couldn't do it too, under different circumstances. We have several strong candidates for animals on earth with very different bodies to have intelligence on par with at least a toddler, which, if we weren't around, could easily evolve to be intelligent.

>>712398187
Its the most likely reason why aliens avoid direct contact with us. when we spot a UFO Its like a car of college chicks getting spotted by the local meth-head serial rapist

>Prisoners of Sol starts out interesting
>degenerates back to rushed shit as soon as the premise is established
Starting to think SP15 is a hack and NoP1 was a fluke

>>712398190
>Maybe every alien race has already gone through this. Turns out living on one billion inhospitable space rocks just isn't as appealing when you can do it.
There is always going to be that one exception. The dude that is never happy with what he has so he will find a way to destroy everything else like a space nigger. Add in cyber psychosis or just good ole fashioned functional immortality and you have the recipe for genocide at scale.

I mean humanity is often the least interesting part of whatever sci-fi setting they're in, Like stuff like Green Lanterns from DC usually are the worst parts of their own stories cause I can't stand the constant earth dickriding. Like humans can work fine in Sci-Fi but them being the most important fuckers in the universe is just gay.

>>712392454
>Car broke. Phone, yes?

>>712398190
It entirely depends on how common life is.
If there's like, 4 in the whole galaxy and they all come to that conclusion, that's relatively plausible.
If there's a hundred? Or a thousand? Someone is going to get over that hump for some reason. And then we'd see them.
And the problem is that, at least based on ourselves, civilizations are not monoliths. So maybe most of the civilization gets over the colonization craze and gives up on it, but one group of weirdos keeps on with it. A few million years later that split group now owns most of the galaxy.

>>712398408
Got a full image?

>>712398408
He can't write characters

>>712398749
>>712398506
What if there was a million space species and none of them liked living on big dead rocks and instead they all liked living on nice planets that already have all the neat things they like?

You can just get all the space resources with drones anyway.

>>712399072
>someone else is clearly doing better than you
>we should do something about it
Cue unprovoked war brought up by special interest groups looking to profiteer from the ensuring carnage. This is why we can never have nice things.

>>712398795
ok saar
https://files.catbox.moe/lvjory.png

>>712399072
That would be a very extreme coincidence that a million entire civilizations decided against colonization. And not just the prevalent part of the civilization, but the whole thing, every individual.
Humans can't even agree that murder is wrong or that jacking off to feces is gross. You expect a million different civilizations, all made up of millions or billions of individuals, to all agree that they'd rather settle only on their home planet and none of them to figure out terraforming?

Its extremely far fetched.

>>712399386
Hell yeah, cute ayy lamb girl (male).
NoP might have fucked us over but I will save the gay trap ayys with the universe I'm writing.

>>712395384
Kino
win

>>712397378
NTA, how did they debunk it?

>>712398295
>What? No. We make guesswork based on what we have, sure. But we don't make hard statements like "only carbon based life can exist" because we also don't have evidence thats true either.
You're making the hard statement that alternative bases for biochemistry can exist despite having no evidence that it is true.
>Xenobiology, is all speculative. There is no evidence for anything in any direction.
Abiogenesis and biochemistry has been widely researched, including alternatives to what is present on earth (ammonia and silicon have already been mentioned earlier in the thread).
These alternative bases for biochemistry have been widely criticized and proven unreliable in numerous studies. It took me just 10 minutes to find and read such a paper on silicon based life (hint for finding it: the author's name is Petkowski and it was published in 2020 in Life)
These alternate systems are not chemically viable for a number of reasons that you can easily read up on yet you refuse to.
The only people propping up these alternate systems are people who've based their entire academic careers on them and pop sci/speculative sci fi authors; no one else takes them seriously anymore.

>>712389340
Name of the fanfic?

>>712388726 (OP)
>HFY wanks to every single human accomplishment or feature humanity has and literally imagines a bunch of alien races to dab on a daily basis
>Their detractors are so fucking done with their bullshit they go the complete opposite direction and proceed to claim we are actually not only the most disgustingly violent and stupid race of all time and almost indistinguishable from shit-flinging apes, they outright resent being born human instead of some other imaginary alien race they made up in their head that's perfect in every way and has always being perfect
This whole conversation is so fucking stupid man

>>712399386
>cut

>>712395445
All written by humans btw.

>>712399386
He should get pegged by a strong female captain.

>>712399421
>Humans can't even agree that murder is wrong or that jacking off to feces is gross
What if we told all the aliens we do that and they were disgusted, and it turns out every alien race is just kind of chill?

Like we tell them we have to make huge buildings to put all our murderers and rapists and they're like "you guys kill your own people? that's freaky, stay away from us" What if it turned out humans are just kind of gross and shit?

Mankind would be better off as a pet species for benevolent overlords.

>>712399716
We can't even prove how carbon based abiogenesis works. And you expect someone to definitively prove that EVERYTHING else doesn't work? There were papers criticizing how powered flight couldn't work right up until we did it.
Science cannot prove negative, it can only show a specific way something might happen doesn't work.
I'm not saying that you cannot build up evidence towards something probably not working on a wider scale. But this entire field of research will remain in its infancy so long as we either don't have any other samples, or we don't crack abiogenesis of our own chemistry, let alone others.

>>712400304
Only if it's a femdom thing.

>>712400330
>We can't even prove how carbon based abiogenesis works.
It's insane how much we wouldn't know about it if not for the CMB, but it's a curse in its own way since that makes it very hard to gather additional information on.

>>712393654
that is a (bunny) child

>>712400304
/pol/ will tell you we are for the Jews.

Humans are too fucking vain and stupid in reality to unify for any sort of global achievements like space colonization. Any fictional setting that depicts us as successful is hilariously retarded. We're going to end up going the space corpo future where we'll have killed the planet and enslaved what's left of humanity under a rich elite to get anything done. Enjoy your Weyland-Yutani cucked existence.

>>712400738
>Weyland-Yutani cucked existence.
Anon, they went to space.

>>712399624
There are numerous properties of ammonia that make it unsuitable for replacing water in lifeforms. Among them is the fact that ammonia has a weak dielectric constant and the hydrophobic effect is weakin ammonia solution. These are both important mechanisms in water to form complex biochemical structures among other things. Additionally, ammonia is flammable in oxygen, which is kind of the only viable element redox reactions in lifeforms (these are used for energy transfering and other vital processes).

>"GUYZ, did you know that humans...breathe deadly gas called oxygen!!!!!! WOWZA!!!!! WE ALSO PEE PEE AMMONIA!!!!1111!!!!!!
This is how all HFY slop sounds like.

>>712400738
Honestly I'll take it.
Corps at least have a vested interest in keeping some people with enough money to buy the stuff they produce
And the level of new opportunities that space offers is so far above what we have now I'll do anything to see a future in space happen

>>712400834
>aliens when they show off their molecular hyper-transports and the human goes "yeah? well check this shit out" and starts pissing

>>712392454
Why does the spaghetti worry about taxes?

>>712389727
>human like humans in media
WOW WHAT A BLACKPILL. You should post this on r/iamverysmart

>>712392454
Schizoposting off our med again, I see?

>>712401207
>Not a cute male lamb ayy
wtf gay

>>712388726 (OP)
>>humans are somehow coveted by the females of different species or races
this is true on earth in real life

>>712400330
>We can't even prove how carbon based abiogenesis works. And you expect someone to definitively prove that EVERYTHING else doesn't work?
You're a complete fucking moron who doesn't understand how feasibility studies work.
Please leave science to people who actually know how to conduct research and never speak on the topic again.
>There were papers criticizing how powered flight couldn't work right up until we did it.
You are also completely ignorant of scientific history and your only knowledge is a pop sci quote-driven narrative. Powered flight had a long and storied history of support leading up to the Wright brothers famous flight. I challenge you to present to me these supposed papers you mention. It seems obvious that you made up this claim on the spot considering your complete ineptitude when it comes to finding and reading papers criticizing alternatives to carbon and water based life.

>>712392454
>>712392796
If the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn't real, then why are we made in His image?

honestly I could take an alien in a fight

>>712397758
>looks rather young
>already needs a mobility scooter

>>712392464
> spend a quarter of the age of the universe evolving to live on a specific planet
> be very finely tuned to live on that planet
"How perfect!" thought the puddle. "This hole fits me so well, it's a miracle!"

>>712400738
>Enjoy your Weyland-Yutani cucked existence.
My fear is our future ends up more like Dead Space where we just harvest barren worlds for resources to fuel the machine back on Earth which is a polluted, psy-op'd hellhole of dystopia and the eternal machine of production.

>>712398749
>while they're busy breeding like cancer cells others do something more intellectually stimulaing
>trade scraps of know-how and ready tech for resources
>cancer eventually chimps out
>kills a lot of people who kept to saner ways of development but gets wiped out with extreme prejudice
>defective DNA or equivalent is gone

>>712401597
>a future where we can't abandon earth despite having obliterated it and we just mine out the fuck out of distant worlds that aren't habitable
>we cope by making space colonies

At least the necromorphs aren't real to kill us off in the end haha...

>>712398408
He’s very much an “ideas guy”. The setting is interesting, but once it starts getting into interpersonal writing and especially anything related to warfare he shows his inadequacies.

>>712399881
yes
though the former is only an issue because redditors are small brained failures who cannot conceive what the actual greatest and most terrible of mankind are capable of so they just take an everyday trait they have and wank it to the extreme

>>712401597
>cucked existence under a toothless world gov and corpo that can't even keep their planets powered let alone fed
>every religion goes the way of the dodo in favor of a space bad dragon that will give you unlimited free energy if you can just find a way to unlock it
Grim

>thought this was some sort of game
>it's a thing you read
what the fuck is this, get the fuck out of my board

>>712400834
>>712400958

>>712400834
Fuck YEEEEEEAAAHH

What if it become the middle east of the galaxy because we managed to import Christianity across the stars, and half of the galaxy is preoccupied with the events of some backwater planet because they think their god happened to be born there?

>>712402234
That's called Mormonism anon

>>712394657
One thing Mass Effect got that tickled me just right was our biggest contribution to the galactic economy.

It wasn't alcohol, or military hardware, or art. Every species made their own versions of those and exported it to some degree.

The one things humans made that no one else did, something that became insanely popular among all the other species (including batarians) and is implied to be humanity's biggest export upon joining a galactic economy:

cigarettes

>>712402189
>screencapping your own posts

>>712402234
>a hundred million miles away from the Earth
>they still find a way to bring their bullshit over to your neck of the woods

My love for humanity is constantly at war with my love for furry femdom

>>712390132
>>712394072
>humans are considered a goody two shoes species because they've not had a single nuclear apocalypse or done a really successful genocide since the Neanderthals stopped being a thing

>>712402234
>import
You meant "export", right?

>>712402423
If they can survive Utah they can survive Ceres Sector

>>712402373
>space australians
Disgusting

>>712398408
>>712399386
Me?
Not gay.
Sex with that thing?
Alright.
It's not gay if he's from a different planet, he has no actual causal link to the human Y chromosome. It can't be gay if we're totally mutually infertile in both practice and theory.

>>712388726 (OP)
Nah.

>>712402627
Yeah fuck.

>>712402189
> Actually achieve net-gain fusion
> this is the BBC article about it

>>712397250
>the human body is the pinnacle of evolution when its basically a hack job.
The human bipedal body layout isn't the pinnacle of evolution, but it is the most likely or successful layout for a sapient species.
The sapient tool using species won't use a horse-type bodyplan with hooves. It probably won't be a dog-like quadrupedal body plan.
Elephantine with one fine motorics limb is suboptimal.
3 or 5 limbed species are strange.
Hex-limbed or more is less efficient than quad-limbed.

>>712402692
I have great news for you about your level of fertility with human males

>>712389727
you should unironically kill yourself

>>712402828
Well, in practice, I *could* impregnate human women. Meanwhile, I couldn't impregnate one of the fluffy alien things no matter what, and they're not technically male or female, just two alternate alien sexes that are binary, yet completely unrelated to earth biology instead. So really, it's irrelevant what gender it is.

>>712394072
FREEBIRTH SCUM, YOU DARE REFUSE A BATCHALL?!

>>712400958
We have yujiro so aliens get fucked

human sisters.... our response?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHo82bVg44I

>>712392651
>All the "aliens" are actually biologically engineered slave-races made by humans from another dimension
>Except for the space Jews, nobody knows where the fuck they're from

How come alot of sci-fi or fantasy stories never even mildly allude to the idea of different viruses or bacteria destroying or affecting the biology of humans and vice versa? You're telling me being near a Turian, Orc, khajiit or a Wookiee is 100% safe with no biological risks, that engaging in pon farr with the Vulcans carries no risks? Well maybe the latter was addressed at some point in ST.

>>712403817
human sisters... not like this...

>>712402807
>3 or 5 limbed species are strange.
>strange
Great argument. Also it will be crabs most likely.

>>712399386
Dick too big.

>>712403942
I am literally avoiding trying to type because I have a finger injury.

>>712402234
Not going to lie, the idea that humans are the only ones to come up with religion and that half the aliens think "these people are crazy" and the other half think "these people are on to something" has potential

>>712404041
>finger robo waifu
>hand stolen

>>712388726 (OP)
I definitely prefer if humans have clear strengths and weaknesses in setting instead of just "blah blah blah human spirit."
Obviously everything is judged by human standards, IE "These guys are stronger than humans" or "These guys are smarter than humans" but I think it is best if humans are good at some things and bad at others. Maybe humans are the physically strongest race and above average intelligence, but have lower lifespans, are more susceptible to disease, and lack a truly unified culture leading to inefficiencies cause of competition between countries and colonies.

>>712404308
>primitive minds in more alien cultures than what humanity was thousands of years ago have not figured what looking up is until they achieved spaceflight
>has potential
Wew.

>>712388726 (OP)
>humans are somehow coveted by the females of different species or races
Fuck you, this needs to happen MORE

>>712401802
>anything related to warfare
Why do people who have no actual interest or knowledge of war always feel the need to make it the foundation of their plots? It's not even a matter of needing to serve either, Tom Clancy was a damn insurance salesman and came up with plots so genuine that he got visits from glowies to ask him who leaked shit.
Dont try to fucking write modern professional militaries if the only exposure and interest you had was watching saving private Ryan once in passing. And if you cant come up with an interesting story without bloody battle maybe you're not actually good at writing characters.

>>712403860
this is usually (lazily) addressed by "oh well, humans have advanced medically somewhat by this point, and are able to inoculate most foreign stuff or whatever

>>712402189
All human achievement is boil water and throw rock
But we've gotten really damn good at both

>>712403942
It's a fine argument, bilateral symmetry is very common in advanced species and wasting development time/energy on a specialized odd limb is just that, a waste. It's a massive opportunity cost for little possible benefit over just adapting something you already have to be slightly better for the task.
>crabs
Do you see any crabs with a k class reproductive strategy?

>>712402807
octopus

>>712402807
>Best he can do is imagine earth animal body plans
>3 or 5 limbed species are "strange" is best he can come up with
Bro, we don't even know the consequences of what a non-bilateral symmetrical animal might be, because there are so few on earth. We can make a lot of guesses based on our own chemistry about efficiency, but at the end of the day the human body plan is a very specific adaptation that really only worked because we were tree dwelling primates that evolved bipedalism to function when the climate shifted from forest to savannah. And it worked almost entirely because the adaptation to our shoulders that let us swing in trees also, by chance, let us throw shit good, which also only worked because the tree swinging already gave us thumbs to grip things we were throwing.
You are expecting the exact same chain of coincidences, which I have simplified to an embarrassing degree, to occur again in another species in order for your fantasy of convergent evolution to work.
We have witnessed, on Earth, several other body plans that have given rise to fairly significant intelligence. Given the right pressures, anything from cephalopods to corvids to elephants to both whales and dolphins. Yes the marine animals will have trouble with tool use, but we're talking purely intelligence here.

>>712388726 (OP)
>fantasy or science fiction game is completely centered around humanity
>humans are the youngest or most inexperienced but still can beat alien empires, demons or ancient monsters despite the gap in technology and power
There is nothing wrong with these, although there is more to humanity than just the military.

>>712403860
All of those things would only work if their biology is so similar to ours the only conclusion would be someone seeded both planets. Which, to be fair, a lot of scifi also has and doesn't address. And the fact that a lot of scifi also has interbreeding means they're also ignoring this incredible coincidence.

Anything alien shouldn't even be using what you'd call "DNA" in the first place. It would be a different protein combination entirely.

>>712405482
>because there are so few on earth
And you dont think there's a reason for that?

>>712405482
>Bro, we don't even know the consequences of what a non-bilateral symmetrical animal might be, because there are so few on earth. We can make a lot of guesses based on our own chemistry about efficiency, but...
This is a question of biomechanics, not biochemistry. If you're going to pretend to be knowledgeable, you could at least pretend to be knowledgeable about the actual topic at hand.

>>712404003
Yeah you right
Bit more reasonable? https://files.catbox.moe/kv0ss7.png

>>712406087
smaller
(also lora please?)

>>712405757
Because 90% of life evolved from a few successful ancient lineages that happened to use bilateral symmetry.
>>712405828
Biomechanics necessarily hinges on the underlying biochemistry. Change that and you change what is within reasonable limits of efficiency. Evolution does not necessarily seek perfect efficiency when the trade off would be something else.

>>712406087
if its gonna be that small, might as well be locked up
but thats just personal preference

>>712388726 (OP)
>Stop doing these cliches

Stop spamming your furfag webcomic

>>712406136
>smaller
Nah I'm gonna get the thread pruned if I keep avatarfagging and dumping slop

>lora
As far as I know there's only one Venlil lora out there, have a look on Civit

>>712397569
I heard that our brains are bigger because we started cooking our food. Less energy spent digesting food = more energy digesting knowledge.
I have no source as it came to me in a dream.

>>712399386
>>712406087
Dick was fine, it just needed foreskin.

>>712405424
It's not. His argument is "strange", not what you posted. Yours has some merit but, for example, an odd limb does not have to violate bilateral symmetry because it can be a result of fusing of two limbs.
>Do you see any crabs with a k class reproductive strategy?
If you go far enough in history you won't see mammals with that either.

>>712406495
>foreskin
unhygienic

>>712406535
>retarded yank/third worlder
Many such cases.

>>712399989
>>712406495
>foreskin
Oops I forgot I was gonna add that in for ya
Oh well it's a quick inpaint if you wanna give it a crack

>>712406483
Yes thats the 'Cooking Hypothesis' by a guy named Dick Wingam.

>>712394072
what game?

>>712406701
I don't have any of that A.I stuff, rip.

>>712388726 (OP)
this pic goes hard af

>>712401525
We aren't even that fine tuned to live on it either. Only a quarter of it is land and an even smaller fraction of that land is actually hospitable. We are not made for this shit we're just the best attempt we've had so far.

>>712403860
Because in a lot of cases the science level or magic level that kind of illness is completely curable. Like you probably just get a shot for all the potential diseases that one of your crewmates have and are basically completely immune at that point.

>>712391738
not a bad read, new to hfy stuff

>>712392454
>a beautiful nervous system is somehow bad or weird just because it formed through evolution

qrd?

>>712407082
That one is probably the most popular and the one that really kicked off the threads back in the day.
My favourite is one about food but fuck if I can find it.

>innocent herbivore gets sent to Hell (a war involving America)
Bronies did it better:
https://www.fimfiction.net/story/100455/stardust

>>712407181
The mere existence of WEGoblinas proves that HFY is just wishful thinking.

>>712392306
Kek that's so gay

>>712407331
i don't know what hfy means

>>712391976
The world told me to, sadly

>>712393654
Stealing that image for the next filename thread

>>712407324
NOOO YOU CANT JUST POST A PASTEL PONY IM LITERALLY BEING RAPED MODS SAVE MEEEE

>>712394494
never read it but why did they do that?

>>712407489
>IM LITERALLY BEING RAPED
are you a qt sheepboi? post pics if yes

>>712406147
Could you please stop trying to use words you don't understand the meaning of?

>>712407527
they being the people in the story, for what reason would ultra powerful people go after some literal nobody sheep? is he a main character that the whole galaxy knew about or something

>>712407235
do you have the followup to that one
the one about the movie theatre

There sure are a lot of fags in here. Nu/v/ fucking sucks.

>>712407407
to hell with them then

>>712407779
You upset that your 1girl slop didn't get as many (You)s as anons fagslop?

>>712406147
>Because 90% of life evolved from a few successful ancient lineages that happened to use bilateral symmetry.
Yeah its almost like sprouting an additional limb is more time and energy than its worth and gets outcompeted

https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/comments/u19xpa/the_nature_of_predators/

This is the story of the image
Most popular story on that reddit btw

>>712399386
>>712406087
Big or small, a weenie needs a hood. Take it from someone who's spent two decades without.

>>712407779
This applies to most of 4chan really

>>712406523
>If you go far enough in history you won't see mammals with that either.
The simple fact that a mammal has to nurse its young inherently favors it more towards K than krabs who just shit larva into the sea floor.
>fusing
The idea that two perfectly functional limbs would fuse into one, singular specialized one instead of remaining two separate specialized limbs is dumb. The odds of a set of circumstances contriving to incentivize that adaptation en masse is so rare one might as well discount it.

>>712393654
>shortstack Elinor
HUH?! Who drew this? Don't let me wondering, anon. I need the sauce.

>humanity is unique
>because Jesus Christ was born on Earth as a human
>and God is actually real
>but we killed Him so humanity is the jews of the universe

>>712409452
>that breast jiggle
Crazy this is from a 2015 cartoon.

>>712409641
Sylvia > Lord Dominator

Got tired of NoP, whats some good humanity-ego-stroking stories?

>>712409816
I'm reading Wearing Power Armor to a Magic School

The title is absolute AIDS but it's actually pretty good

>>712391905
>be american
>structure and layout of the planet itself is bent in my favor

lol. lmao

>>712407390
"Human fuck yeah"
pretty much warhammer/avatar view of human space travel.

>>712388726 (OP)
I've always thought that the most interesting takes on humans in sci-fi are either humans being an advanced forerunner species, or a cultural juggernaut that thrives off of galactic tourism.

>>712392651
Rimworld brought me to that side of having every race being different lines of human genetics compared to true aliens
We just can't make believable aliens, when our only perspective of sentient life is ourselves
Besides, each xeno being intentionally created for a specific purpose, or as a sick joke is more interesting
Death to all pigskins

>>712410485
Highmates are only good for making leather jackets.

>>712409351
>The idea that two perfectly functional limbs would fuse into one, singular specialized one instead of remaining two separate specialized limbs is dumb.
Why not "strange"? LOL

>>712407527
>>712407596
he tried to assassinate the enemy leader. he succeeded and was captured. his fate was torture. his last thoughts before being tortured was "wait i thought i would die doing this wtf is going to happen now"

>>712410170
How did 40k even become the "face" of HFY, the Imperium subsists off of ludicrous amounts of plot armor (and marine paypiggies). There is vastly more content about humanity getting torn apart by nids or orks or deldar or chaos fuckery than there is about stomping out random no-model xenos.

>>712410754
oh ok then whatever i thought he was supposed to be innocent

>>712411029
Because HFY faggots are retarded and genuinely think that the Imperium are the "good guys" of 40k and that the state it exists in is the only way for humanity to even survive in 40k, which are both false notions with even cursorary knowledge of the actual lore. The imperium is a fucking shithole that is as much the reason for the peril humanity is in 40k as it is protecting it from extinction and the arguably morally "good guys" in 40k are the Craftworld Eldar or the Tau, certainly not the fucking Imperium. Tau treat humans better than imperium does and even the most xenocidal of the Eldar (Biel-Tan) still are more merciful towards human civilians than the Imperium is even towards it's own people.

>>712388726 (OP)
keep doing these cliches and I will buy your game.

>>712392656
why are you bitching in every single thread, faggot

>>712411201
It's not even what you said that confuses me, it's that HFY slop is predicated on the idea that humanity is this overpowered nightmare race that stomps all other aliens because of whatever dumb shit they want to exaggerate. That is absolutely not true of 40k if you have even a surface level understanding of the setting, where basically every faction (but Tau and Eldar) are comically overpowered but are written in such a way to specifically prevent them from just overunning the Imperium

>>712391905
your are media illiterate, you stupid motherfucker

>>712394072
>>712403203

>Humans are the jack-of-all-trades race
Man, fuck that. We'd be the orcs of the stars.

>Higher gravity world
>Can digest and ingest an amount of toxins that are fatal to most things of similar size
>Extremely adaptable immune system
>Outer arm of our galaxy, so our planet is millions or billions of years younger
We might not be the smartest knives in the cookie drawers, but we're biologically set to be the brick shithouses of the galaxy when compared to other habitable-zone worlds. They either have too much gravity for any form of space travel to be possible from it, or are barely big enough to have an atmosphere.
Earth is right at the top of that cut-off for possible escape velocities. If we find aliens (or more likely they find us) we're likely going to be biologically dense compared to them.

>>712388726 (OP)
Are there any pictures or stories with these things, but actually not gay instead of gay

>>712411029
>>712411446
>There is vastly more content about humanity getting torn apart by nids or orks or deldar or chaos fuckery than there is about stomping out random no-model xenos.
Like half of the old HFY keystone /tg/ pieces are about humans getting the shit kicked out of them until eventually turning it around by going scorched earth total war and throwing more resources into the meat grinder than the aliens are willing to commit, à la Soviets vs Germany

>it's that HFY slop is predicated on the idea that humanity is this overpowered nightmare race that stomps all other aliens
only the other half, see above

>>712400817
thanks

>>712411582
>They either have too much gravity for any form of space travel to be possible from it
The more developed species will use inhabitants of those as shock troops that will easily eclipse us. We'll have to settle for diplomacy, trade and probably engineering ingenuity.

>>712411029
>There is vastly more content about humanity getting torn apart by nids or orks or deldar or chaos fuckery than there is about stomping out random no-model xenos.
thats the point you retard. hfy started as a subversion of the genre. there are so many fantasy stories about species who are superior to humanity. the point of hfy is that humanity is the superior one for once

>>712394494
>There was no warning or foreshadowing that this is what was going to happen to him
The guy was already spinning out mentally for many chapters before then. And he had decided to go on a one-sheep quest to assassinate the head of the foreign goverment they were at war with. It was obvious that it would go wrong, the real bullshit was that he even succeeded in killing the guy before he was captured (Though it was funny to see the author defend it with "muh assassination of Franz Ferdinand was also a mess but still worked").

>>712403860
Did the artist ever made more of this?

>>712389340
Hard to bone someone turned into a vegetable.
>>712399743
Nature of Predators, by a guy name Space Paladin or whatever.
Spoiler alert: it originated from reddit.

>>712411623
99% of hfy critique can be summed up as
>read genre fiction called "humans are the super duper most specialist op guys ever"
>get mad when humans are over powered

>>712410485
As strange as it sounds Lovecraft probably did the best representation of aliens as far as I'm concerned. The Old Ones, Yithians, Mi-Go. All pretty unique.

>>712394657
I thought the depiction of humans in ME1 was perfect, but then after that in ME2 humanity goes to #1 main character. After the giant terminator fight I gave up on the story and haven't even played 3.

>>712388726 (OP)
>Stop doing these cliches
no

>>712389340
Real.
Anyone have actually good science fiction smut? I'm getting kind of sick of everything hovering prudishly at the edge, like the authors have fucking AI restrictions or something. But then, at the same time, most actual porn is too comically direct for me to really enjoy either.
What do you call it when it's porn, but it also has a good plot? Romance?
I think there should be much more science fiction romance, but romance where it also graphically describes sheep aliens climaxing from getting fucked hard in the ass.
There's no romance in porn anymore.

>>712411798
Potentially, but having a species that isn't limited to just a single world of its birth and is already space-capable would give humanity an overall edge in numbers and versatility.
Though having a primitive race of actual orcs look up to offer its warriors to ascend to the great gods' war in the skies would be a pretty novel idea for the race in question.

Realistically, it wouldn't matter. No shock-troop armor is perfect and its easier to make bigger guns than better armor. Humans wouldn't be great warriors, but pretty damn good manual laborers and hazard specialists in a galaxy where everyone else is a decent bit more fragile. Heck, a human officer of the law would be amazingly effective on multi-species shared grounds. It would be akin to getting pulled over by a 6'7" muscleman in SWAT gear for speeding.

>>712406198
>cage
vile
cruel
how could you treat your property like this

>>712412229
Exactly
The problem with HFY isn't it's premise, because I think exploring the biology and anthropology aspects of humanity in the context of an alien community is an interesting idea, even as a power fantasy. The real problem with HFY as a genre is that it's piloted entirely by amateur writers, and as a result for every one of the stories that's interesting or well done there's another fifty which are just pure schlock

It's less about it being a power fantasy and more about being a completely masturbatory, low quality, genre-incestuous power fantasy

>>712397519
The very first race to become spacefarers are a herbivore octopus-like race. The first sentient life form they came across was a herbivore golden retriever-like race. It’s a lot more complex than that, but long story short, that made the squid people and dog people determine that all herbivore races are normal, while all carnivorous and omnivorous races are diseased. They even culled all predatory animals on their native planets.

The squid and dog people would make an intergalactic alliance and secretly “cure” all other races from their “predatory” tendencies. Yes, even herbivores who showed any hint of violence, like the sheep race in the OP pic, were labeled “predatory” due to essentially being headbutting bipedal rams on steroids, and were experimented on to have them become docile cowards.

The sheep guy in the OP pic was captured by the octopus race president, essentially the big bad of the series, and the sheep guy was experimented on to turn him into a completely docile vegetable.

>HFY story
>it's just an excuse for the author to write fucking alien women from human, humanoid to questionable shape
>robot aliens are fucked too

>>712412485
Romance and smut are extremely hard to weave together, an issue that's compounded badly by the fact that gayshit isn't romantic at all

>>712413270
I just like a couple of chapters of buildup, and some plot going on. But I like a smut interludes. Modern stuff is either way to chaste, or way too direct and low-brow. A nice weaving of both is nice. Alfie might be the only example readily coming to mind, /tg/ relevant.

>>712413004
The problem with HFY is the majority of its fanbase.

>>712413004
Start reading into Traveller lore.
I promise you that you'll think it's completely fucking based.

>>712412978
Some people would prefer a bird in a cage not realizing the fact it sings for you freely is what makes the song sweet

>>712412485
There was an XCOM Viper one I read which I think is kinda what you're looking for, it's called On the Fringes, on AO3

Shame it's not gay though

>>712414850
the sex scenes were damn good

>>712412978
its MY property to do with as I wish
I might let him out if he's a good boy. maybe.

>>712412485
>>712414850
Oh and this as well
ao3/works/45181576

>>712414886
Honestly I speedread through the snex scenes just to get back to the romance and plot

>>712415026
might as well break your own keyboard or punch your walls

>>712397758
Gorillas are pretty peaceful too despite their large and intimidating appearance.

>>712406087
Unf.

>>712406087
>file
Got a full one for this?

>>712397519
SpaceJews did it to him.

>>712417565
I do but it's not worth posting, total shit. I was just trying to get the headshot.

And hell even that's got errors in it (artifacts on the thumb and eye, gauntlets merged with the skin)

>>712406087
>tfw looked like this during my twink phase

>>712402692
it's okay to be a faggot, anon.

>>712392454
I've seen this exhibit.
Morbid shit, some of them are people disappeared by the ccp.

>>712392685
>Nigga we don't live in the TERROR-ZONE, where all aliens INSTANTLY FART AND DIE but humans get the thumbs up for absolutely no fucking reason.
Have you met any aliens who didn't fart and die the moment they stepped into our neighborhood?

>>712397249
I've always kinda wondered why there's never any stories where humans are one of the eldest races greeting newcomers to the galaxy. Humans being elves even fits better with sci-fi protagonists being able to get along with, unite, and even lead every race.

>>712395567
>We have never produced self replicating chemistry in the lab
We have, actually. I forgot the name but we made an RNA construct that can read and recreate itself.

>>712397758
Bonobos are the hippies of the primate world, free love and shit. You mentioning them in the same breath as chimps proves you know nothing about the subject.

>>712414923
Hold the fuck, dolphin fucking is canonical in traveler?

>>712421485
Yuh.

>>712421553
Nice

If I'll be honest anons, the most probable sci-fi scenario where humans coexist with alien, but humanoid, lifeforms is Space Station 13. I just have this notion where bipedal aliens with human-like intelligence, spaience and sentience are the most successful species wherever they come from.

>>712392723
Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot you're not getting life of any kind on a fucking 1% water content 500 degree hellscape
The slylandro arent happening for millions of years.
>hurrdurr you're just being narcissistic
No it's called physical laws.

>>712389727
wow triggered a bunch of midwits with this one
even the most alien of sci fi is still written in a way humans can understand - ie, through a humanocentric lens
a truly alien book would probably read like a fucking dodge mantainance manual from the 70s and that's not entertaining whatsoever lmao

>>712415101
My man
On the Fringes sets the standard of viper fics to which most others fail to live up to.

>>712421198
Writers and the audience prefer underdog tales, and humans being young and naive can just as well serve to reason why they opt to get along with everyone because they don't know better, more Tau and Eldar. It's also just the case of it being the usual setup, and most people don't deviate from what's standardized in a genre of fantasy.

>>712412229
>erm you can't criticize my gay porn just because it's about a bunch of dudes sucking and fucking...

humans getting uppity again....

>>712406147
>Because 90% of life evolved from a few successful ancient lineages that happened to use bilateral symmetry.
100% of life evolved from asymmetrical organisms, 0.001% of that (at most) evolved to be symmetrical later on. We don't know of a single species that was at one point symmetrical but lost that quality later on.

>>712401351
Damn, anon. You didn't have to BTFO him that hard.

>>712422303
More like
>wow, I really hate all this gay stuff in my gay porn!

>>712388726 (OP)
In 40k humanity is a middle age empire. The oldest empire is the Necrons, with the Eldar being younger, but the Tau have only been a space faring empire for a few centuries as opposed to humanity which has been in space for many millennia and is constantly battling against its own decay. They were the alien invaders snuffing out intelligent life wherever they found it and setting up human colonies to replace it, and now the empire is old, bloated, technologically stagnant, and in constant fear of being unable to defend itself from a number of crises that could lead to an exctinction level event for the species.

Star Wars is also a franchise that portrays humans as being an ancient race of space travelers. They're the most common intelligent species in the galaxy, can be found on most known planets, and collectively held the largest plurality of any interest group with in the senate. They've been a space faring species for so long that nobody even remembers what their real home planet was and it's essentially lost to time. It was earth. The space time phenomena that brought humans to the Star Wars galaxy sent them to thousands of years into past with space age technology.

>>712422997
I thought they were abducted from earth and used as slave labor by ancient aliens in their home galaxy. At least that's what it implied in KOTOR and KOTOR 2.

>>712401414
I also want to fuck a xenomorph.

>>712393018
xenophilia is based thoughevertheless

>>712423138
Maybe, I'm a bit out of the loop when it comes to the most recent canon, at least as far as the original (real) EU material is concerned (I don't touch the Disney EU stuff). That explanation is similar to Stargate but it makes sense.

>>712388726 (OP)
Naauuuuughtyyyyyy

>>712422551
This movie was so fucking dumb

In the book it turns out Gort (the robot) is actually in charge and humanity passed the test because the scientists take klaatu back to the ship to heal him after he gets shot.

The robots are basically space cops who wipe out any species that is too warlike, but also inderstand the actions of a handful of people shouldn't doom an entire species

>>712415478
if I enjoy it, yeah. What's the point of property if you can't use it as you wish. It doesn't make it your property anymore if that's the case.

>>712422973
My gay porn? It's your gay porn and I'm calling it gay.

One thing that's annoying in xenofiction and retarded posts here is when the aliens are like
>We're all herbivores, pacifists, etc, humans are UNIQUELY the bad guys
Do dogs not exist?
Do dolphins not exist? They gang-rape other fish to death for fun when high on drugs as a completely normal and expected activity.
Etc etc
They turn "Earth" into "Just humanity", which is fucking retarded when they're supposed to be smart enough to casually fly through space

>>712415621
Many simians that are generally considered less advanced are definitely better than some which are considered human.

>>712421804
>>narcissistic
Solipsistic.
>No it's called physical laws.
No, it's called selection bias.
Not him, by the way.

>>712389602
Damn right.

>>712402234
>every alien culture has their own religion
>all of them line up with Christianity
>they all end up believing their God was born in another planet
>aliens from across the universe coming here to live in the Holy planet

>>712430698
Do they pray in the direction of the holy planet as well? Do they fuck goats?

>>712430829
>aliens are all Muslim
Oh no...

>>712427896
That's a symptom of writers designing cultures/races wearing a single hat, ridding of any nuances. Plus, conjecture that an intelligent race of [X] would act like, such as the notion that a race of herbivores would be nice as the default. They're not, and wouldn't be because of ingrained trauma from predators on their planet and competition with other flocks over farm land.

>>712392454
Literally me.

>>712431008
Its especially retarded when the alien race is just
>X human species
>+Human
Out of the Dark had the main aliens be wolf men with a 'pack' mentality universally... because the author thought wolves work like that (a long discredited theory; they're a family unit) and acting like humans caring about family and fighting in anger is completely incomprehensible.
At no point do they look at the actual dogs on the planet or any other animal that does the same thing.
Just 100% humans are all that exist on earth, wooo humanity

>>712402234
This but with niggers